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Title: Conservatives crow over push for privatization in British NHS, compare apples to oranges
Source: Denialism Blog
URL Source: http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/
Published: Feb 20, 2012
Author: MarkH
Post Date: 2012-02-21 22:49:00 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 2696
Comments: 5

Hot Air and the daily caller are excited to pronounce socialized medicine dead as the British NHS plans to contract with private hospitals and providers on top of socialized care. From The Caller:

Joseph A. Morris, a former Reagan White House lawyer who now serves on the board of the American Conservative Union, told TheDC that socialized medicine has turned out to be a threat to Britons' health, and to their economy as well.

"Europe's message to the world is no longer that the socialist dream of the cradle-to-grave welfare state is an easy achievement," Morris said. "Rather, it is the shouted warning that it is a fool's paradise. The bills are coming due and the only real alternatives -- serious financial reform of government or national bankruptcy -- are not pleasant."

Um no. This is a combination of egregious apples-to-oranges comparison and gross simplification. Their argument depends on a mis-characterization of virtually every other medical system in the world. By saying Britain allowing privatization into their single-payer system is "Europe" rejecting socialized medicine assumes that Britain's health care system resembles any other system in Europe. It does not.

In fact, most universal systems are unlike Britain's. Only Canada and New Zealand have similar, government-run single payer systems. Other socialist European paradises like France, Germany, the Netherlands etc., actually have very different systems. They rely on either insurers (with heavy subsidization for the poor), or other health collectives to pay for patient's medical costs to private hospitals.

Further, the healthcare system envisioned by the health care reform act in this country is very, very far from being single payer, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, when you look at it, it's going to be much more like the Netherlands system...

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#1. To: A K A Stone, Anti-ping to Eric, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#0)

courtesy ping to Stone as per request - anti-ping to Capitalist Eric

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-21   22:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lucysmom (#0)

Did you alter the original title?:

Leftists oink over push for socialization in British NHS, brag that clinical insanity is no different than hitting the bong every day since 1969

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-22   0:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator (#2)

Did you alter the original title?:

No.

You could have answered that question for yourself.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-22   1:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lucysmom (#0)

What.... no comments about how Socialized HealthCare makes you live longer!!!

Boy the people who are writing these articles sure are slipping.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-22   6:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CZ82 (#4)

What.... no comments about how Socialized HealthCare makes you live longer!!!

Boy the people who are writing these articles sure are slipping.....

Either you didn't read the article, or you didn't understand what you read.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-22   11:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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