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Title: Barbara Boxer: Right to Insurance Trumps Religious Freedom
Source: LN.com
URL Source: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/15/ ... ance-trumps-religious-freedom/
Published: Feb 19, 2012
Author: Steven Ertelt
Post Date: 2012-02-19 08:56:22 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 91770
Comments: 155

Barbara Boxer: Right to Insurance Trumps Religious Freedom

by Steven Ertelt

Barbara Boxer, the leading pro-abortion member of the U.S. Senate, made some comments in a recent MSNBC interview that are sparking outrage across the Internet today. Boxer essentially says the right to insurance trumps religious rights and freedoms.

The comments came during an interview concerning the controversial mandate pro-abortion President Barack Obama put in place recently requiring religious groups to pay for insurance coverage for birth control and drugs that may cause abortions.

As the Washington Examiner reports:

Senator Boxer warned yesterday that if the HHS contraception mandate was repealed it would set a dangerous precedence of religious rights trumping the right to be insured.

On MSNBC’s Politics Nation with Al Sharpton last night, Boxer affirmed that under the proposed amendment proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt, an employer would not be forced by the government to pay for medical practices against his religion.

“I mean, are they serious? Sharpton exclaimed, “How do you make a law where an employer can decide his own religious beliefs violate your right to be insured?”

“Oh Absolutely,” Boxer said, “Let’s use an example, let’s say somebody believes that medicine doesn’t cure anybody of a disease but prayer does and then they decide no medicine.

“No medicine!” she exclaimed, “Under the Blunt amendment, they could do just that.”

The new mandate pro-abortion President Barack Obama put in place forcing religious employers to pay for insurance coverage including birth control and abortion-inducing drugs is so offensive more than 50 members of Congress will speak out against it today.

Congressman Jeff Fortenberry will hold a press conference today with supporters of the bipartisan, bicameral Respect for Rights of Conscience Act. His legislation would protect the religious liberty and conscience rights of every American who objects to being forced by the strong-arm of government to pay for drugs and procedures recently mandated by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Related Links Tell Obama: Stop This Pro-Abortion Mandate

The Fortenberry bill currently has the support of approximately 220 Members of Congress and Senators, the most strongly-supported legislative remedy to the controversial HHS mandate. This measure would repeal the controversial mandate, amending the 2010 health care law to preserve conscience rights for religious institutions, health care providers, and small businesses who pay for health care coverage.

The press conference comes as the U.S. Senate is expected to vote soon, possibly as early as today, on an amendment that would stop the mandate President Barack Obama put in place to force religious groups to pay for insurance coverage that includes birth control and abortion-causing drugs.

Sen. Roy Blunt, a pro-life Missouri Republican, is putting forward the Blunt Amendment, #1520, again, and it is termed the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act. According to information provided to LifeNews from pro-life sources on Capitol Hill, the Blunt Amendment will be the first amendment voted on when the Senate returns to the transportation bill. The amendment would allow employers to decline coverage of services in conflict with religious beliefs.

Republicans are moving swiftly with legislation, amendments, and potential hearings on the mandatethe Obama administration has put in place that forces religious employers to pay for birth control and abortion-inducing drugs for their employees.

Congress will do what it can to fight back, starting this week, as pro-life Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican, puts together a hearing on conscience rights.

“If this is what the President is willing to do in a tough election year, imagine what he will do in implementing the rest of his health care law after the election,” Issa said.

Rep. Dan Lipinski, a pro-life Illinois Democrat, and a host of Republicans from the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), will hold a hearing entitled, “Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?” on Thursday, February 16th at 9:30AM in 2154 Rayburn House Office Building.

On Thursday, Senators Roy Blunt (R-MO), Ben Nelson (D-NE), and others offered Amendment #1520 to ensure Obamacare cannot be used to force health plan issuers or healthcare providers to furnish insurance coverage for drugs, devices, and services contrary to their religious beliefs or moral convictions. However, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the top Democrat, blocked the amendment.

Leading pro-life groups, including Americans United for Life, are urging support for the Amendment, which could be added to another piece of legislation.

“The Obama Administration continued its unprecedented attack on Americans’ freedom of conscience by refusing to reverse its mandate that nearly all insurance plans must provide full coverage of all Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved “contraception,” including the abortion-inducing drug ella,” the organization said in an action alert to its members. “We must urge the Senate to protect Americans’ freedom of conscience by supporting Amendment #1520, which would protect the right to provide, purchase, or enroll in healthcare coverage that is consistent with one’s religious beliefs and moral convictions.”

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a statement saying Obama’s revised mandate involves “needless government intrusion in the internal governance of religious institutions” and it urged Congress to overturn the rule and promised a potential lawsuit.

Meanwhile, the Republican presidential candidates had been taking verbal swings at Obama for imposing the original mandate on religious employers, which is not popular in the latest public opinion poll and which even some Democrats oppose.

Congressman Steve Scalise has led a bipartisan letter with 154 co-signers calling on the Obama Administration to reverse its mandate forcing religious organizations to include drugs that can cause abortion and birth control in the health care plans of their employees.

Bishops across the country have spoken out against the original mandate and are considering a lawsuit against it — with bishops in more than 164 locations across the United States issuing public statements against it or having letters opposing it printed in diocesan newspaper or read from the pulpit.

“We cannot — we will not comply with this unjust law,” said the letter from Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix. “People of faith cannot be made second-class citizens.”

The original mandate was so egregious that even the normally reliably liberal and pro-abortion USA Today condemned it in an editorial titled, “Contraception mandate violates religious freedom.”

The administration initially approved a recommendation from the Institute of Medicine suggesting that it force insurance companies to pay for birth control and drugs that can cause abortions under the Obamacare government-run health care program.

The IOM recommendation, opposed by pro-life groups, called for the Obama administration to require insurance programs to include birth control — such as the morning after pill or the ella drug that causes an abortion days after conception — in the section of drugs and services insurance plans must cover under “preventative care.” The companies will likely pass the added costs on to consumers, requiring them to pay for birth control and, in some instances, drug-induced abortions of unborn children in their earliest days.

The HHS accepted the IOM guidelines that “require new health insurance plans to cover women’s preventive services” and those services include “FDA-approved contraception methods and contraceptive counseling” — which include birth control drugs like Plan B and ella that can cause abortions. The Health and Human Services Department commissioned the report from the Institute, which advises the federal government and shut out pro-life groups in meetings leading up to the recommendations.


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#73. To: mininggold (#62)

It still means nothing

It means that health care is not a right and it also means that Congress acts in a manner inconsistent with the US Constitution, at will.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   15:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: freedomsnotfree (#72)

answer the question or I'm done with the conversation. Why are YOU so privileged,so special, you are entitled to the fruits or another persons labor???

I really could care less, since YOU seem to think I initiated this conversation with you

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-19   15:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: We The People (#73)

It means that health care is not a right and it also means that Congress acts in a manner inconsistent with the US Constitution, at will.

It means that opinion is divided.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-19   15:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mininggold (#74)

crickets...crickets...crickets

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   15:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: freedomsnotfree (#17)

Why do you feel entilted to the fruits of another persons labors? Is that not the very diffinition of slavery?

I look at it like this. Would I rather have some person who is well off paying a little more in taxes or would I rather see people not get the health care they need when they need it and risking death or becoming severely ill. Explain to me why I should care about the plight of the well off individual in this situation?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   15:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: NewsJunky (#77) (Edited)

I look at it like this. Would I rather have some person who is well off paying a little more in taxes or would I rather see people not get the health care they need when they need it and risking death or becoming severely ill.

Death and severe illness cannot be legislated away. Even the best insurance and health care that other peoples money can buy will not stop us from dying or becoming severely ill. None of us are getting off this planet alive.

Explain to me why I should care about the plight of the well off individual in this situation?

That's not the issue. The issue is whether health care is a right, (as in constitutional) or if government has the right to tax you to pay for others health care.

They are already taxing you to feed others, even others in other countries. How much of your labor are you willing to give to others, involuntarily?

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   15:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: NewsJunky (#77) (Edited)

who defines "well off". Why should anyone become a slave to the needs, wants or desires of another...and unless you have given everything you own to the poor, you are a hypocrite. Forcefully taking from someone, that which they have toiled for is slavery, it places the thief in a position of king, and those stolen from, in the position of serf. The degree of theft is irrelevant.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   15:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: We The People (#78)

Even the best insurance and health care that other peoples money can buy will not stop us from dying or becoming severely ill. None of us are getting off this planet alive.

So? What does that have to do with people getting the health care they need when they need it? The current system we have now with people using the emergency rooms in a crisis is not a solution.

The issue is whether health care is a right, (as in constitutional)

Its not a right and neither is food but we have programs to provide for food.

or if government has the right to tax you to pay for others health care.

The government has the "right" to tax you for "whatever" the government through its elected leaders decided to enact into law.

How much of your labor are you willing to give to others, involuntarily?

I don't know if have an exact number. If I look at specific proposal I could give you my opinion of them.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   16:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: freedomsnotfree (#79)

who defines "well off".

Well take a family making $300,000. If we raise the top marginal rate 4%. That family would end up paying $2000 more in taxes. I would consider that a well off family and the increase reasonable with little effect on their standard of living. Now you can call this family "serfs" but I would call them living the American dream.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   16:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: NewsJunky (#80)

The government has the "right" to tax you for "whatever" the government through its elected leaders decided to enact into law.

No, I'm afraid they do not, as has been clarified in this thread.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   16:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: We The People (#82)

No, I'm afraid they do not,

Your opinion is irrelevant. The Supreme Court decides what the government can and can't do.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   16:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: NewsJunky (#83)

Your opinion is irrelevant.

LOL!

It's not my opinion. It's the opinions of 2 of the framers of the US Constitution. I just happen to agree.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: NewsJunky (#80)

The government has the "right" to tax you for "whatever" the government through its elected leaders decided to enact into law.

The Supreme Court decides what the government can and can't do.

LOL!

OK, which is it?

Does .gov have unlimited power or doesn't it?

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:09:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: NewsJunky (#81)

why should the family making 300k, 400k or 75k be responsible for the needs, wants or desires of anybody. Marx said "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need"... This is one of the ten planks of the Communist manifesto. Do you agree with this?

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: NewsJunky (#80)

I don't know if have an exact number. If I look at specific proposal I could give you my opinion of them.

well, we are 15 Trillion dollars in debt...where's the money coming from. Obviously the government you worship has corrupted itself beyond measure...and the poor are poorer, the uneducated more abundant, the unemployment exploded, the middle class is being wiped out...and you want to give them MORE of that which they have already used to bring this about. You need to SERIOUSLY re- evaluate your premises. Since the introduction of socialism/communism in this country, we've gone from the wealthiest nation on the planet, the the greatest debtor nation.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: freedomsnotfree (#86)

Well take a family making $300,000. If we raise the top marginal rate 4%. That family would end up paying $2000 more in taxes. I would consider that a well off family and the increase reasonable with little effect on their standard of living. Now you can call this family "serfs" but I would call them living the American dream.

Marx said "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need"... This is one of the ten planks of the Communist manifesto. Do you agree with this?

I'd say the verdict is already in on that question.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: We The People (#85)

Does .gov have unlimited power or doesn't it?

according to a few posters here the government is omnipotent. Nikita Khrushchev was right...the communists would destroy this country without firing a shot...they got hold of the educational system and the rest is history.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: We The People (#84)

It's not my opinion. It's the opinions of 2 of the framers of the US Constitution. I just happen to agree.

Its a legal matter that the Supreme Court has and can deal with. Your "opinion" about the constitutionality of a law (whatever your sources) is "irrelevant."

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   17:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: We The People (#88)

I'd say the verdict is already in on that question.

Amazing isn't it...these people think they are entitled to the income of others. Sickening really...I have more respect for the beggar on the street.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: We The People (#85)

Does .gov have unlimited power or doesn't it?

Has the Supreme Court given the government "unlimited" powers?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   17:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: NewsJunky (#90)

the gravy train is about to end for you and your fellow, "you owe me" thinkers. The coming collapse will put an end to ALL entitlement programs...deal with it.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: NewsJunky (#90)

Its a legal matter that the Supreme Court has and can deal with. Your "opinion" about the constitutionality of a law (whatever your sources) is "irrelevant."

But...isn't that your opinion? LOL!

This is a political forum. We all espouse our opinions and mine is just as 'relevant' as anyone elses. That's what a forum is for. Some of us happen to post documented facts too, to back up our opinions. You should try that, instead of stomping your feet when you read something you don't like.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: NewsJunky (#92)

Has the Supreme Court given the government "unlimited" powers?

No, YOU DID when you said, "The government has the "right" to tax you for "whatever" the government through its elected leaders decided to enact into law".

Even though you and I both know that isn't true.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: freedomsnotfree (#86)

why should the family making 300k, 400k or 75k be responsible for the needs, wants or desires of anybody

Because the modern civilized world has collectively decided to that government should play a role in helping poor people. If you don't like it you can move to Somalia. I don't think they have any government sponsored welfare programs there at all. If I am wrong and they do, i guess you are probably out of luck.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   17:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: We The People (#95)

No, YOU DID when you said, "The government has the "right" to tax you for "whatever" the government through its elected leaders decided to enact into law".

I should have qualified my statement by saying that as long the SP doesn't strike it down.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   17:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: We The People, newsjunky (#95)

No, YOU DID when you said, "The government has the "right" to tax you for "whatever" the government through its elected leaders decided to enact into law".

actually...I'd say NJ is right. They take your tax dollars and use it however they see fit...even illegal wars. I grew up in an era when we were told "nobody owes you anything"...what a different mindset we have today.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: NewsJunky (#96)

Because the modern civilized world has collectively decided to that government should play a role in helping poor people.

And there it is!

The constitution be damned, you want the government to do what makes you feel good, regardless of whether or not government has that legal authority, because the modern civilized world has collectively decided.

You should love both Bush and Obama then. Bush lobbied for and signed into law the single largest entitlement program this country had ever seen, until Obamacare of course.

Are you a fan of both Bush and Obama?

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: NewsJunky (#96)

Because the modern civilized world has collectively decided to that government should play a role in helping poor people. If you don't like it you can move to Somalia. I don't think they have any government sponsored welfare programs there at all. If I am wrong and they do, i guess you are probably out of luck.

the "modern civilized world" is not, and never have been free. based on your judgement the government should come in and take EVERYTHING you own and give it to the less "fortunate". Stealing someone's hard earned money is ANYTHING but "civilized"... I was in Russia before the wall came down...they would laugh at your ignorant nativity. no one is "EQUAL" until everyone is equally poor...except the very, very few in Government positions deciding what's "BEST" for the people. How old are you? The fact you think you are "owed" anything is absurd. You're a victim...with a victims mindset.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-19   17:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: NewsJunky, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#97)

The supreme court does not have the authority to make law or amend the constitution, but that doesn't stop them from trying. Congress is too corrupt to remove them when they violate their "term of good behavior". Most of them don't even know what good behavior is.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-19   17:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: NewsJunky (#96)

Because the modern civilized world has collectively decided to that government should play a role in helping poor people.

LOL!

And...when was that meeting held?

Was a vote taken?

Was the constitution amended and I'm not aware of it?

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   17:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: NewsJunky (#97)

I should have qualified my statement by saying that as long the SP doesn't strike it down.

You mean..as long as it's authorized by the US Constitution.

Congress has the power to lay and collect taxes for the specific, enumerated activities listed in Article 1, Section 8;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-19   18:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: We The People (#102)

LOL!

And...when was that meeting held?

Was a vote taken?

We the people (ha ha) did it through our government. We decided along with all of the other modern societies to provide help for the poor.

Was the constitution amended and I'm not aware of it?

The Supreme Court decides what is unconstitutional. Not you or me..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   19:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: We The People (#103)

Take it up with the Supreme Court. I am not a constitutional scholar..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   19:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: freedomsnotfree (#100)

no one is "EQUAL" until everyone is equally poor...

Who said anything about equality? That's not realistic and not what I am talking about.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-02-19   19:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: NewsJunky (#105) (Edited)

Take it up with the Supreme Court. I am not a constitutional scholar..

Well, maybe if you became a bit more informed, perhaps you could form your own opinion, and not just follow orders and others like a bleating sheep, and tell others, on a political discussion forum, that their opinion is irrelevant on a subject that you yourself are ignorant of.

From the conception of the SCOTUS, and up until 1937, the SCOTUS agreed exactly with what I'm telling you. Then something changed and suddenly, the SCOTUS conferred upon Congress a plenary power, and they could now decide at their will and discretion. So the SCOTUS has ruled BOTH ways, the latter now for all of 75 years.

Now you tell me, which do you think is correct or which do you agree with... that Congress' power is limited, as the Constitution and the Federalist Papers dictate, or that the power of Congress is unlimited and subject to their whim, and that they can do whatever they like?

Do you live in a Constitutional Republic or a monarchy?

And why the sudden change of philosophy in 1937 in Helvering v. Davis?

Start your discovery of knowledge here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause

then form an opinion and come back and discuss it here, on a political discussion forum.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-20   5:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: We The People (#6)

What Article, Section or Clause in the US Constitution gives the federal government authority to involve itself in the health care of it's citizens in the first place?

No. What Article, Section or Clause in the US Constitution gives Corporations the right to exist.

If you're bringing the Constitution into this debate, The First is Who Authorized Corporations.

I'll live free and die (per Health Care) but there can't be a Corporation on my neck....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-20   9:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: We The People, mininggold, All (#5) (Edited)

If you can't or wont address what I ACTUALLY said, why bother to respond?

I bothered to respond.

Saying you're comparing oranges and apples.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-20   10:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: mcgowanjm (#109)

I don't even have any apples or oranges.

I have chips and cheese though!

We The People  posted on  2012-02-20   19:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: mcgowanjm (#108)

If you're talking about corporate personhood, then we agree.

Corporations are not people.

We The People  posted on  2012-02-20   19:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: freedomsnotfree, NewsJunky (#93)

the gravy train is about to end for you and your fellow, "you owe me" thinkers. The coming collapse will put an end to ALL entitlement programs...deal with it.

Since more and more countries are starting to travel down the path of more freedoms and less taxes it won't take long before quite a few Americans figure this out and move to those countries..... taking all of their money and assets with them leaving nothing for the Leftard leeches of this country.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-20   19:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: CZ82 (#112) (Edited)

we are headed for so very interesting times...and the "you owe me" crowd is going to be in for a rude wake-up call.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-02-20   19:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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