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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#309. To: diva betsy ross, A K A Stone (#301)
New Living Translation (©2007) His disciples didn't understand at the time that this was a fulfillment of prophecy. But after Jesus entered into his glory, they remembered what had happened and realized that these things had been written about him So- there is what you say- and what the word says. Diva I am sure since you are an ordained minister you know that you used a dynamic equivalent version (NIV) and a Free translation (paraphrase) version (NLT) to make your point. You should have started with either a literal translation like the KJV, NKJV or NASB and then go to the other translations.
lol. So passive agressive. Let's remember the truth about how you got here, to this site. You dish out far more offensive statements then you receive. Anyway- Where in the word does it tell you that the disciples were practicing Jews and what their daily/weekly habits were? I showed you where in the word it says the opposite of what you are "peddling". Go to the word. Show me. Don't tell me what your opinion is of what gary says, or what you have read by an idol of yours- or how you feel about what you have read. Tell me where it is in the word, what you claim.
Where in these verses does it state the disciples were not adhering to the Mosaic Law or never heard or read the OT? All that is stated here is that the disciples did not connect the Triumphal Entry with Zechariah 9:9: 9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey. (NKJV) The verse you provided makes no claim that the disciples were apostate Jews untrained on Scriptures. They would be apostate Jews if they did not adhere to Mosaic Law before Jesus' ministry. Let's put your line of logic to the test. The Bible does not tell us whether or not the disciples were all circumcised at birth. Does that mean they were not circumcised? So, the Bible does not tell us the disciples read the OT Scriptures, are we to assume it never happened. Your point is pure speculation and unfounded.
The word tells us that they were uneducated. You really need to read the Bible red, and stop taking gary's word for it. He has led you astray. If you would read carefully the passage you quoted, then you would see they do not say the disciples were uneducated, rather they did not understand the prophecies until after Jesus Christ entered glory. The Jews accused Jesus of being uneducated and never having studied. "The Jews therefore marveled, saying, “How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?” John 7:15 He was a Rabbi, and you don't get that title without having been trained. Jesus spoke and wrote at least 2 or 3 languages. His accusers were wrong. In Acts 4:13 the Jews saw John and Peter as uneducated, but John and Peter both wrote several books in the NT in Greek.
How do you reconcile the apparent differences of text within the two versions that hondo68 posted in #1 of this thread? Don't the two versions read differently? I go to the Greek and Hebrew texts, and I check the various manuscripts if there is a problem with the texts.
gary- when you address me in the future, understand that you are addressing an ordained minister. Okay? Now- you started this all with your attacks and gossip and stalking when I was giving a personal testimony, to a poster last year- and you have continued to attack personal testimony. Diva, I likewise have restrained myself from responding to you. I have been on LF for many years, and I did not follow you here. You initiated the attacks on LF, with your post #83 to Buckaroo. Likewise, you initiated attacks against me on LP, when I was witnessing to MrSpock. I never stated Christians are saved by historical evidence, rather the Christian faith is based on historical evidence. I have always maintained we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and His shed blood.
Gary any suggestions for learning Greek and Hebrew for the layman?
Forget the Hebrew, but for your iPhone pick up the little koine Greek program, which will help memorizing the words. There is also a wonderful little Greek Hebrew Bible, which is also an inter linear. My Greek is rusty, and I'm using both programs.
gary you are not a well person at all, for numerous reasons. Lying is a big problem for you. I pray for you.
But, 50 days after Passover when Jesus was crucified. 3,000 were added to the church in one day. Acts 2:41 A few days later the number of believers totaled 5,000 men, not counting women and children.Acts 4:4. The early church was almost entirely Jewish. The Gospel didn't even go to the Gentiles until approximately two years later. "Now, it has sometimes been suggested that Jesus, himself, or maybe even John the Baptist, were members of this group. And that can't be proven at all.". http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/essenes.html I have been to Qumran, and can tell you the community would have been very small. I would be shocked if 100 lived there, and if the truth were known it was likely less than 50...at most.
I am not interested in arguing with you. Your doctrines are heretical, clearly Gnostic, and not worth discussing.
You are not interested in arguing- you are interested in trying to make me stop talking about my POV. Typical religious man. That is why, in the Bible, Jesus rebukes the religious men. Of course my beliefs are heresy to you gary and your religion. I am proudly open minded and interested in learning the true ways of Jesus. Jesus himself is a heretic - to you and your way. I have seen healing miracles in people's lives- so I know what I know. I have my proof that faith in Jesus produces all the promises of the Bible- in my own life and in other people. You have no proof of anything. I have seen fruit in the people in every denomination, in the people who truly follow Jesus the Christ and hear him as their Shephard. Your close minded religion doesn't interest me and it didn't interest Jesus, because it proudces no joy in the world- it heals no one- and the people who practice your religion show no fruit, or tangible blessings in your lives. Jesus saves and religion kills. You and I do not know the same God. You can have yours. And you are not interested in discussing things, that is true. You are interesting in death, and dominance, lying and attacking other people's peace. Darkness does that to it's followers. I am praying for you. You have totally missed the mark of what Jesus was teaching. It is so sad.
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Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Yet- y'all can not stop following me around and reading and commenting about what I say. Strange, that. :) I am the only one who ever discusses the Bible. Irony is so ironic that YOU- who doesn't understand the Bible- calls ME a heretic. Then again- The revolution in religion says that Jesus is a heretic. Jesus was a rebel against the religious- NOT the government. (There is that old delicious irony again, eh?) I am in excellent company. Praise God. "You will keep on hearing, but you will not understand; And you will keep on seeing, but will not perceive." (Matthew 13:10,11,13,14)
ME a heretic Get thee behind me satan. You might as well quit stalking me, I'm not converting to your cult.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
You are a very odd person. You keep following me around for a reason. Try to learn something ok: Since I am the one who is always talking about how much I love Jesus and the Bible- it is illogical that I would have anything to do with Satan. Jesus himself was accused of being a demon, by the religious people, and he talked about a house divided. Go and read Matthew 3:25 ish.. ok? It would be very helpful to you, no doubt, if you would actually read the Bible and try to understand it. You would not have these irrational beliefs, if you did. God be with you.. and if hearing about my ideas is so upsetting to you-you might want to stop following around and reading everything I post. Praying for you, hondo. Blessed be the name of the Lord, Jesus.
Not saying you aren't. But that isn't an accurate statement. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
Actually, you would have to go deeper into: Mark 9:39 But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me I do believe it is true that not all people who pray out asking for God's help will enter Heaven. Asking for a blessing from God is not surrender or inviting God into our lives. The people who obey God and do His will, have a relationship and go to Heaven.
If one says there was no Trinity prior to the Incarnation, then they are denying Jesus is God, and therefore a heretic. Christ is God, hence eternal.
Eternal means without beginning and without end.
Someone can have a couple of dozen bibles and read them frequently, but if they don't accept the divinity of Christ, I have a tough time taking them seriously as a Christian. Anyway, enough of he witch hunts for me, we know who they are.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Then again, gary you will stalk and harass people who say no such thing- and hang that accusation around their neck- because they refuse to worship YOU. You want things specifically and perfectly defined in the same exact words you, yourself, use.. or you call that person a witch and a heretic. But your ideas are wrong and it is obvious to anyone who knows the character of God- so you leave no choice for people. That is exactly what happened to me, with you. How many others have you lied about? You are a very wicked person with your accusations and lies. You speak death and evilness. I pray for the people you have harmed and abused. So , so sad. Jesus is the Lord, God.. not you gary. In the book of Genesis it says that the Trinity existed at the foundation. You have zero authority to define anything.
Yes- however, when a minster is attempting to explain the trinity to a non- believer, and that minister explains that Jesus is God in a human body- and was born from a human- THAT is NOT someone who MUST be an evil witch. THAT is not denying that Jesus was God, and it is not even close to the insanity you have shown in your repeated attempts to discredit my POV. You are a sick, sick man- gary. Very sick. God have mercy on you, because you are so far from Christ like. How many people have you abused because they did not speak your insane language? I know you abused your aunt- for forming her own ideas about the Holy Spirit... how many children have you hurt and turned away from God? I bet plenty. Your ideas are not only wrong and not Biblical- you are a stalker. You have no sense of boundaries.
“One who refuses truth cannot be refuted or healed with truth or its prophet, reason. There is in him no sense of obligation, even to truth, and therefore no obligation to anything.” --Peter Kreeft
Excellent quote. This from Francis Schaeffer: "It is an important principle to remember, in the contemporary interest in communication and in language study, that the biblical presentation is that though we do not have exhaustive truth, we have from the Bible what I term true truth. In this way we know true truth about God, true truth about man, and something truly about nature. Thus on the basis of the Scriptures, while we do not have exhaustive knowledge, we have true and unified knowledge." (Francis A. Schaeffer, Escape From Reason, Ch. 2)
red- Are you and gary gay lovers? That would explain many unanswered questions, like why you rush in to defend him when he gets his backside handed to him for being evil.
Colossians 2:8 (King James Version) Colossians 2:8 King James Version (KJV) 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ A professor of philosophy? PFT.. gary you have so many human idols it is hard to keep up with you. People who love worldy knowledge and men, over God and the Bible, do not know the character of God or the Bible. The word is very clear about worldly knowledge. You seem to be addicted to the world of what men think. Weird - that.
In the ancient Hebrew words that are used to described distance and direction are also used to describe time. The Hebrew word for east is qedem and literally means “the direction of the rising sun” Your definitions are wrong and out of syncs with the character of God. Not in the Bible, it doesn't mean without beginning and without end. You make grave errors when you try to define God and His creations- with your worldly male idols. You worship males, gary. Your ego has you led by the nose. Jeremiah 32:40 >> New International Version (©1984) I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. God says , I WILL make. That means it is new to them- and has not always been so. What a twisted and sick man you are. You are hardly an expert on the word of God. You don't even understand the word eternal.
40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
:) Yes. Praise God. Stone- God makes good on all His promises. That is the good news. He does not turn away from us. And the good news is that God really does want everyone to see how to enter through HIS gate. Not man's gate- but God's gate, into paradise.
How is his definition of eternity wrong? Post 329. How is that out of character with God. It simply means he always was and always will be. Is there something I'm missing. If so I don't see it.
gary is trying to re-introuduce the point that last year, in a discussion on Libertypost with a non-believer- in defining the Trinity to another poster, I explained Jesus (in the trinity) as God in a human form , born from a human. I said the concept of Jesus was alway there, but his human body was born of a human body, and was a gift for us- to show us God. gary says I am a witch and evil, because Jesus is everlasting and has always been. I said show me where Jesus was walking around on the Earth in that body in the OT. gary says I am an evil witch. So now he is bringing the old discussion from LP, last year, back up here. He followed me around LP for a year- calling me names and saying I was born of Hell.. and now he is here to do the same thing- with his friend, red the lap dog. So out out of the blue - he posts something that seems out of place- but I know what he is referring to- and there is my answer, He says in the Bible the word eternal/everlasting means without beginning or end. That is not what that passage says- is it? Why would God make new covenants that are eternal/everlasting... if they have always been? When God makes a covenant with you, and nay believer- and it will be an eternal promise. Does that mean the covenant has always been, and is without beginning? No. The character of God is that He is our loving Father in Heaven. He creates things for us- for our own good. gary's idea is that there is one *man made* way to get to God- to hear God - and one way God does it- and HE (gary) holds the keys to all understanding of God. Except gary doesn't. God wants a relationship - and that may look different in other people- and we are told NOT to judge and that we will not understand God's ways. If you beleive gary's definition- then you are just a number bub- and there is no need for surrender, there is no need for relationship. There is no need for personal revelation. God would not answer personal prayer- because everything would have already been decided and written in stone about who you are and your life. Jut follow behind and do what you are told , by man. Oh and give man all authority to your power too. It is a pretty convent definition for a man who refuses to acknowledge the Holy Spirit and the idea of total surrender and dependence upon God, the Father. But in the word of God, God makes eternal covenants with people, based upon their faith. If it always has been- then what is the need for faith? gary says we don't have to show faith. which is convenient for someone who wants all authority under Heaven, for himself- and doesn't want to go out of his comfy box and show faith. (Someone might laugh). So there you go. :) As with anything in the Word- it depends on who you use as your guide. gary says use gary I say use God.
Here is acopy of Diva's post on LP contained in the response I made to her. Diva, your reputation is well known across the Internet for being combative, playing the victim, and having an accusative spirit. Using Jesus Christ for entertainment purposes is wrong, however, I have no intention of partaking in your games. I am going to provide a copy of a post you made denying the eternity of Jesus Christ, which is the spirit of anti-christ. In case anyone doesn't understand everyone with the spirit of anti- christ is opposed to Christ. I do not intend to post to you again. The post follows: "#1520. To: MrSpock (#1516) To answer to your answer two-there was no trinity before the birth of Jesus. Book of Hebrews. There was prophecy of the Trinity. Prophecy of Jesus. There was God and Heaven. Jesus, the son, completes and shows us the Trinity. Jesus was a new covenant. A new agreement. He was a new way. He told us to forget religion and all of the blood sacrifices and odd ceremonies, and all of the things that people did, like removing their shoes on a specific day- as a way of getting to God- and just start being with him. That is why Jesus didn't like religion- because it keeps people FROM God and from Heaven. And God wants all of us- not a few of us. He is head over heels about his people. He told us to have a personal relationship with him and forget dos and don't - and cans and can't. The 10 commandments are his laws, yes and they are all ways to show that we love each other.. that and Obey him- and what he wants us to obey is simple: Love others as I have loved you. That's it! It is all about love. Not fear, not sacrifice, not rules, OR even memorizing Scripture. No ceremony or membership needed. People, before Jesus was born, had no way of getting to the Father, themselves, and getting into Heaven. They were imperfect sinners then too- and according to the plan at the time, which was just "be perfect"- no one had God in their lives. They had fear and darkness. SO- Jesus laid down his life- to pay the sin debt of the world- once and for all the final sacrificial lamb. He shed his blood so that everyone who heard the story would understand, NO MORE BLOOD is needed. It is done- he said- and then he committed his spirit to the Father.That is why we do not have to be perfect today- to know Jesus. He is the way and the truth and the light. The Father is our Father, (who is Jesus), The Son- born to flesh is Jesus (who is God) and the Holy Spirit (Is God-Jesus)who dies and rose again after three days, like he promised- and is alive. The trinity is one person in three experiences. Heaven, Earth, and Spirit.
gary says I am a witch and evil, because Jesus is everlasting and has always been. I said show me where Jesus was walking around on the Earth in that body in the OT. gary says I am an evil witch. So now he is bringing the old discussion from LP, last year, back up here. He followed me around LP for a year- calling me names and saying I was born of Hell.. and now he is here to do the same thing- with his friend, red the lap dog. So out out of the blue - he posts something that seems out of place- but I know what he is referring to- and there is my answer, I never said you are a witch or evil. I reported you had previously stated on LF you had previously been into witchcraft. I said your doctrines are evil. He says in the Bible the word eternal/everlasting means without beginning or end. Eternal means without beginning or end. I used the term in referring to God. That is not what that passage says- is it? Why would God make new covenants that are eternal/everlasting... if they have always been? When God makes a covenant with you, and nay believer- and it will be an eternal promise. Does that mean the covenant has always been, and is without beginning? No. The character of God is that He is our loving Father in Heaven. He creates things for us- for our own good. God's covenant with man was in His mind before the foundation of the world. In His mind it is eternal, but from man's perspective everlasting. gary's idea is that there is one *man made* way to get to God- to hear God - and one way God does it- and HE (gary) holds the keys to all understanding of God. There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ, by grace through faith in His shed blood. Except gary doesn't. God wants a relationship - and that may look different in other people- and we are told NOT to judge and that we will not understand God's ways. I judge a person's doctrine, NOT their heart. And yes, I certainly believe in having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If you beleive gary's definition- then you are just a number bub- and there is no need for surrender, there is no need for relationship. There is no need for personal revelation. God would not answer personal prayer- because everything would have already been decided and written in stone about who you are and your life. Jut follow behind and do what you are told , by man. Oh and give man all authority to your power too. It is a pretty convent definition for a man who refuses to acknowledge the Holy Spirit and the idea of total surrender and dependence upon God, the Father. I certainly believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. As I have stated to divia several times Revelation is closed. Christians receive illumination or enlightenment from the Holy Spirit, but not new revelations.. She likes to subject the Word of God to her revelations. But in the word of God, God makes eternal covenants with people, based upon their faith. If it always has been- then what is the need for faith? gary says we don't have to show faith. which is convenient for someone who wants all authority under Heaven, for himself- and doesn't want to go out of his comfy box and show faith. (Someone might laugh). So there you go. :) As with anything in the Word- it depends on who you use as your guide. gary says use gary I say use God. That is a lie from beginning to end. I have always insisted on faith in Jesus Christ as the only way. I do believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers. That said, I do not witness to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit always witnesses to Christ, NOT HIMSELF.
You are a cyber stalker gary. Please, God, do not allow other posters to think gary represents Jesus. OY! Jesus is the new covenant. New. As in new. Of course you will have to read the Book of Hebrews, and see if from the POV of someone who understand God's character. :) Praying for you gary.
Here is another revelation that was given to me- Praise God and thank you Holy Spirit- Jesus is an answer to a prayer from David. David was a sinful man- who showed incredible obedience to the God- and foresaw Jesus, and walked in faith every day of his life- AND even made many greivious errors- and yet- David is protected by the eternal covenant that God made with David. But the covenant was based on the faith David walked in daily. Like when he killed the Giant. Anyway- your teachings do not allow for the power of prayer, faith or the Holy Spirit and that is why what you teach, gary is wrong and dry and sends people away from Jesus. Jesus always existed- but it took a prayer from the beloved child of God, David- to put the human form of Jesus into action. Psalm 51 The Holy Spirit is a powerful force in the world. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit all of the time, and so it is no wonder you just don't get it. In the word it says the only unforgivable sin is blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:29 You have so much to learn,gary. God be with you.
I hardly ever watch TV. I am watching this show starring Sister someone. I was led to watch it, and here I sit learning about Saint Catherine of Sienna- whose story is almost exactly mine. Here is a Catholic Nun- talking about the Holy Spirit, saying the EXACT same things I have posted about the Holy Spirit. I can't shake off how very sick and depraved you are- but I forgive you gary. You are as lost and broken as anyone else. I just pray that you have not damaged too many people. I fear that you have had contact with children- and I pray that if that is the case, they will forget any interactions with you. I pray that the hearts of the faithful that have been open to you, are filled with the Holy Spirit and with comfort.
We certainly are to judge. We just aren't to judge as hypocrites. You are judging Gary an awful lot. And I would say not the right way. That is my opinion.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestNew International Version (©1984) At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.
#310. To: redleghunter (#308)
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#311. To: diva betsy ross (#310)
12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out: "Hosanna! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!' The King of Israel!" 14 Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written: 15 "Fear not, daughter of Zion; Behold, your King is coming, Sitting on a donkey's colt." 16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him. 17 Therefore the people, who were with Him when He called Lazarus out of his tomb and raised him from the dead, bore witness. 18 For this reason the people also met Him, because they heard that He had done this sign. (John chapter 12 NKJV)
#312. To: diva betsy ross, redleghunter (#301)
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But anyway, you may believe that the fishermen knew the OT and were theology students, however that is not true.
#313. To: buckeroo (#71)
I generally read the ESV, NIV, NLT, NASB1995, and the KJV for English translations This is good news!
#314. To: diva betsy ross (#305)
#315. To: GarySpFC, buckeroo (#313)
I go to the Greek and Hebrew texts, and I check the various manuscripts if there is a problem with the texts.
#316. To: redleghunter (#315)
#317. To: GarySpFC (#314)
#318. To: diva betsy ross (#317)
#319. To: buckeroo (#289)
by NOT ringing any bells. The Jews do not accept Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah; if any group would have accepted him FIRST, it should have been these folks from Palestine, Galilee and Judea and Babylon (etc). Why do you suppose the JEWS largely discredit Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah? And don't discuss "Jews for Jesus!" that group is not representative of the Pharisees.
#320. To: diva betsy ross (#317)
#321. To: GarySpFC (#320)
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#322. To: GarySpFC, A K A Stone, diva betsy ross (#320)
Your doctrines are heretical, clearly Gnostic, and not worth discussing.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#323. To: hondo68 (#322)
#324. To: diva betsy ross (#323)
Jesus is a heretic
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#325. To: hondo68 (#324)
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#326. To: diva betsy ross (#325)
Since I am the one who is always talking about how much I love Jesus and the Bible- it is illogical that I would have anything to do with Satan.
#327. To: A K A Stone (#326)
#328. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#324)
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#329. To: All (#328)
#330. To: GarySpFC (#328)
they are denying Jesus is God, and therefore a heretic.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#331. To: GarySpFC (#328)
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#332. To: GarySpFC (#329)
#333. To: All (#330)
#334. To: GarySpFC (#333)
“One who refuses truth cannot be refuted or healed with truth or its prophet, reason. There is in him no sense of obligation, even to truth, and therefore no obligation to anything.” --Peter Kreeft
#335. To: diva betsy ross (#331)
#336. To: redleghunter (#335)
#337. To: GarySpFC (#333)
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-Peter Kreeft?
#338. To: GarySpFC (#329)
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Ancient Hebrew Word Meanings Eternity ~ olam
#339. To: diva betsy ross (#338)
#340. To: A K A Stone (#339)
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#341. To: diva betsy ross (#338)
Your definitions are wrong and out of syncs with the character of God.
#342. To: A K A Stone (#341)
#343. To: A K A Stone (#341)
He told us that to get to the Father- go thru him. Jesus IS the Trinity. There is no other Trinity and never will be.
Answer is the Trinity exists in Jesus- where ever he is and where ever he exists. diva betsy ross posted on 2011-04-23 10:53:53 ET Reply Trace" =
#344. To: A K A Stone (#341)
#345. To: GarySpFC (#344)
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#346. To: GarySpFC (#344)
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#348. To: GarySpFC, Diva Betsy Ross (#344)
and we are told NOT to judge
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