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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#263. To: Skip Intro (#251)
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That is an excellent question. To really understand Judas- you have to learn the character of Judas. I actually prayed about this exact topic a few weeks ago. I was lead to scripture about Judas. What I discovered was that Judas was a flawed man. Judas was greedy, and had idols. Judas also thought that Jesus was going to overthrow the Romans- and was not interested in love and peace. So Judas is the perfect topic for bucks questions about the overthrow of the Roman government. Judas was not a bad man. Judas left doors open to be tempted by evil, and so Satan walked through the door- and tempted him and ended up stealing his soul. That is the very reason we need a savior in the first place. So yes- Judas was part of the plan. Yes- he was part of the plan. The Lord gives us free will to betray him or follow him. We have that choice every single day- 100 times a day. He does not cast spells on us to take our free will. Satan does that. That is what witchcraft is all about. That is why witchcraft is sinful. Judas shows us why sin separates us from the love of the Father. Judas didn't disrupt the plan at all, you will notice. Jesus told his disciples that he was going to die at the hands of men. Isiah had already foretold, and the other prophets had already foretold of the slain lamb that would take the sins of the world away. The only thing Judas did was betray love. He is the only one who suffered. Judas saw the same signs and wonders, and love of Judas- as he walked around with Jesus- and he chose to look away and follow his earthy heart and lust for money. That is how powerful sin is in our lives- and how deceitful sin is. In my mind Judas isn't a bad guy. He is a broken guy, a lost guy and a lesson for us. A person who lacked faith and understanding. I pray for Judas and anyone else like him- and wish for better for them. Want an interesting POV about Judas? Think about Judas being a keyhole/peephole. Look up the meaning of the name- Judas. He was a view - to life without faith. (Death) God has a perfect plan. We are told to follow Jesus- and not think up the plan for ourselves. In a brilliant twist- it is Judas- who teaches us that. The Bible is full of fascinating brilliant twists like that. It is very entertaining. :) I hope that answers your questions.
Actually he was.
Could you please show me where I said you were not a Christian? Thanks. I was in WICCA for a little bit. Your sin is just as great in the world, so be careful. AND remember the good news is that Jesus came for the sinful- not for the righteous. Guess what that means? Jesus came for me. Before you start casting aspersions on other people- hondo- let's remind people that the great David of the Bible committed all sorts of sin in the Bible including murder of an innocent man to steal his wife- and his sin was great- and God says about David, that DAVID is the only man of the Bible who is a man after God's own heart. Not many reading this will have committed sin as great as David. Where does that leave the average sinner? In God's love and acceptance. Jesus does not look at the sin- he loves the sinner. Praise God.
I would love to sit here and discuss this with you- but I honestly have to run. Suffice it to say that I personally can not condemn Judas, I have not been given the authority to do that. When I look at the fact that Judas not only fulfilled the Prophey of the potter's field, when he turned the money into the church- but that he had such remorse and shame for his actions, that he killed himself- then I really can not condemn him as a bad person. I have more compassion for him, having made numerous mistakes- and even denied Christ myself, in my life. I can't judge Judas- since I, too am imperfect have done some pretty bad stuff, as I have already admitted. Why God saved me and blesses me constantly- is about God's grace. I hope Judas found God's grace. It is the same thing I pray for all of us.
Hehe- this is an excellent lesson for this thread- and for why it is important to have an open mind, to know the character of God- and not get addicted to one translation. I said- molek- also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, or Moloc Semitic root meaning "king". You should be embarrassed, but you so much need to soothe your ego, and you refuse to learn.
This is where gary is an expert at killing the gospel of Jesus Christ. He insists that everyone has to come to the gate of God's paradise- by accepting his "facts". Only his "facts" do not exist and he exhausts and confuses people. Just as Satan had hoped for. Buck- faith is not fact. gary would prefer you not having any faith in Jesus- and it is his mission to turn you around and chase you away. Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God. gary likes to place heavy burdens and yokes on people, so that they are in bondage and can not possibly find God. That is a heart issue and people who call themselves Christians do it all of the time, and give us all a bad name. God can not be proved by any human alive- God can only be proved to you, by God. But he isn't going to force himself on you. You have to invite him into your heart. THAT is all faith amounts to. It starts with accepting Jesus died for our sins and asking Him into our lives to reveal His truth to us- and it is just as simple as that. ANYONE can do it. Anyone. No matter what they have done in their past or what they understand. People who are brain damaged can have faith- there is nothing to understand or prove. :) You can chase your tail for years trying to figure out what gary is talking about- and wondering where his fruit and blessings are- OR you could simply go sit down and have a talk with God. It is your birthright to go directly to the source with these questions. You have been given the right- and you are worthy of having fellowship with Jesus. I say- go do that- and don't listen to anyone. Best wishes.
Howdy Hondo, good to see you posting on this thread.
I said- molek- also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, or Moloc Semitic root meaning "king". You should be embarrassed, but you so much need to soothe your ego, and you refuse to learn. First, you should realize you are teaching no one here. You are just adding to confusion. And again you miss the point. The account of the census has nothing to do with Molech and in Leviticus 20, The Lord is clearly telling Israel about the cult of Molech and idolitry. So since you threw out the "root meaning" of a word "king" what does it have to do with the Roman census? If you don't respond I will assume you think there is a linkage between the Birth of Christ and Molech. And I would just add that to the list of strange doctrine you peddle here.
I learn such great stuff at these sites! Growing and learning. Praise God. Apparently I am just a natural born student of something called hermeneutics. :) I think it is just too far over your head, red. Don't worry your little self over it from now on. Ok? But Praise God that I have finally figured out why you and gary and your buddies are so shallow and dry and boring and produce no fruit and receive no blessings or answered prayers. You don't see the excitement and glory of God in the fullest. It has baffled me beyond measure- but I see it now. It has shocked me and surprised me that your understanding of the Bible is so elementary. NOW I get it.. I figured it out from reading this: http://tcpiii.tripod.com/levit1.htm See I love all scripture. All of it. Leviticus, for example is beautiful and rich to me- and I learn so much from it, that brings me to great blessings. I bet you have never even read it- OR if you have, you simple don't understand what you are reading. That is why you have to try to discredit me. Because you are not able to understand. I keep saying it, and it is true, when we know the character and intent of God, these Scriptures make so much sense and fill us with hope and the ability to find deep blessings. God is so good and so faithful.
it is not possible that you are a Christ follower. :) I think we have been thru that before on this forum. Christ followers don't get so uncomfortable, as you do, when someone is talking about the gospels. diva betsy ross posted on 2011-08-26 libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=23519&Disp=63#C63 Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God. Diva this has to be the most revealing post from you. Here are your words: "faith is not fact. gary would prefer you not having any faith in Jesus- and it is his mission to turn you around and chase you away." DBR Really? Fact hundreds of people witnessed the Risen Christ: 1 Corinthians 15: 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.(NKJV) How is that for a fact? Your words again: "No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God." DBR I don't know what "god" you are seeking, but the Bible IS God's Written Word, His Truth. So if you disregard the Bible, you are preaching a different gospel than delivered by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. So no facts, no Bible=spiritism
I think it is just too far over your head, red. Don't worry your little self over it from now on. Ok? Hermeneutics??!! What would you like to know about the literal, plain interpretation of Scriptures? So what is your Christology and soteriology? I went to the link provided. Absolutely no relevance to the discussion points. The same sermon was given at VBS when I was 12. Good to study but no relevance to the Roman decree.
Uh- I never said you were not a Christian. You don't seem to understand what I said there. Also- evil spin? You should read the Bible. I pray you do. I wonder what your hatred and constant stalking to start arguments with me- says about your understanding of a "house divided". Hint- that came about when Jesus, himself, was accused of being evil. I pray you find that seek and find that deep understanding.
red- chatting with you gives me excellent experience speaking to someone in a lower IQ range. I find it frustrating, but I know I have to learn how you people problem solve, so thank you for the opportunity. I appreciate your time and feedback.
oh and red- so because I stopped posting at LP on this topic- you decided to stalk me over here and start it all over again? Seriously? You need me that much? lol... you are a cyber stalker. It is sort of funny, but it is actually quite deranged. You and gary both want me so much that you can stand to let me alone on a different site? Worried I was going to talk to buck too much? Hope you don't break out in a fist fight over me. lol.....
I find it frustrating, but I know I have to learn how you people problem solve, so thank you for the opportunity. I appreciate your time and feedback. LOL!! Perhaps you could enlighten this caveman on how you can find Truth about God without reading and studying His revelation to man---The Bible. And remember the Gospel was clear to fishermen.
I'm not up to speed on this thread. Where did she say that?
Yeah, everyone is stalking you to learn what the perfect "christian" is like. /s
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Might I mention diva, I did not interdict your conversation. You decided to invite yourself to the Buckaroo conversation.
I just started looking at this thread again. I don't know every comment. But how do you know if Gary and redge produce any fruit or receive blessings or have their prayers answered?
Post #268: Diva: "No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God."
Stone- this discussion , between the three of us started over a year ago at LP. I left them to have their fun over at LP, and showed up here to talk to buck- and they followed. AND I know that they don't have any answered prayer because, do you ever hear them ever talking about their personal testimony? They think I am a witch, because I have answered prayer. What does that tell you? That is what alerted gary to start calling me a witch, when a poster at LP was asking me about my faith, and I was responding to them about why I beleive my faith has led me to answered prayer. Do you ever hear them talk about how God moves in their lives? How I know is this has been going on for over a year- and I have never heard them say a word about anything the Lord has done for them.. only what theology they have learned. Fruit? Do you see the fruit of spirit in them? Go back and look at the posts between us over the last year at LP. They showed up here to continue what I left behind over there. Go look for yourself. That's how.
I never said I was a perfect Christian, that is your insecurity talking. In fact I say the opposite- but self loathing is more comfortable to many people, so they get angry when someone tries to free people, who are addicted to that yuckiness. If you could try to pay attention, my message is that everyone is entitled and worthy to calling upon Jesus. I encourage people, no matter their sin- to seek God. I even pray that people receive the same exact blessings I have gotten. But ,anger and bitterness is a comfortable friend for many people. And I think it could be y'all just like to argue and that is why you stalk people around. But it is a great lesson for me on how a certain group of people react when anyone starts talking about the gospel of Jesus. You will notice people get very stirred up. That is perfectly how Satan wants it. People start acting all out of their ego. Just like back in the day. Even "Christians" start staling and ganging up on people. It is fascinating to see it unfold.
lol-you make my point. Did the fishermen study the Bible? In the Scriptures there are people who did not read the Bible, who sought God and were blessed. Cutting and pasting a post, from LP, out of context is all you have red? And then you use to make my own point back to me?? lol.. falls down laughing. You are hilarious. On the topic of theology. One does not need to be an expert on the Bible, to seek God. Altho I love the Bible and I am the one in fact, who actually reads it (because up thread you admit you have not even read the Old Testament).... It is not something that is necessary in seeking God. A prostitute and a tax collector will get into Heaven before a religious man. SO says the Lord. Matthew 21:31 Don't be mad a me- I didn't write it.
The old Testament was read by them. Someone can get saved by hearing the word of God without a Bible. But if you want to grow you will need to read the Bible and apply it to your life. So maybe you are both right to a degree.
You created an excellent dialog/understanding in post #232 but strangely concluded: In post #245 I indicated some confusion and asked: And then you state, in post#252: The relevence is exceptionally important to me. Especially, from two different sources, 1) Flavius Josephus and 2) the Dead Sea Scrolls because there seems to be immense, colorboating documented data about the Essenes which reflects upon John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth in the way they taught prophesies and lived a strict code of ascetic Judaism. You go onto state in post#252: That is NOT true as the the DSS shows how the Essenes lived in Qumran (desert and farmland or rural communities) and in the various populated cities (urban communities) prior to Jesus of Nazareth and upto the destruction of Jerusalem, circa ~70 CE . Where did you come by that data?
That is a pretty cool graphic for quick synthesis, although it simplifies issues for me. But your following point intrigues me: by NOT ringing any bells. The Jews do not accept Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah; if any group would have accepted him FIRST, it should have been these folks from Palestine, Galilee and Judea and Babylon (etc). Why do you suppose the JEWS largely discredit Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah? And don't discuss "Jews for Jesus!" that group is not representative of the Pharisees.
"The distinctive feature of faith, in contrast with mere belief, is the element in it of will to action. Belief is an act of the intellect, and faith has been described as “an act of the intellect commanded by the will.” But faith is more than an act of the intellect, and the will does more than command. Faith is not merely the assent that something is true, it is our readiness to act on what we believe true. Faith is will lured by value into action. Faith is decision (1955, p. 74). See Samuel Thompson’s, A Modern Philosophy of Religion, 1955, p. 44 for this kind of reasoning. The clearest example of both elements of faith in the same context is Hebrews 11. Verse 6 says, “he that cometh to God must believe that he is...” (emp. added). Beginning with verse 7, the writer observed that a number of notable Old Testament characters trusted in that about which they believed. They acted on their belief. Note the words indicating action—e.g., “prepared” (vs. 7) and “obeyed” (vs. 8). To me, that is a fine line of differentiation upon a simple question that was asked: So, it is an interesting remarck and requires testability. As an example: What holds the Jews together? Rhetorically, it is the Jewish "covenant with God or as they say, YHVH, YHWH and others." What is the Jewish covenant that creates this almost universal idea: "the Jews are the Chosen People"? More rhetoric is assured here: their bloodline from generation to generation for the nation of Israel. But Jews don't necessarily believe in a supreme creator (call the creator any noun you choose) or for that matter, most if not some 98% of all Jews reject jesus of Nazareth. So, please provide some empirical data to reflect on that which you state. Thanks in advance.
Cutting and pasting a post, from LP, out of context is all you have red? And then you use to make my own point back to me?? I did not cut and paste a post from LP. Pay attention that was a different poster. No, the fishermen did not read the NT...the WROTE it under God's divine inspiration. They did know the OT pretty well.
Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation. In post #245 I indicated some confusion and asked: I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example? And then you state, in post#252: What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions? The relevence is exceptionally important to me. Especially, from two different sources, 1) Flavius Josephus and 2) the Dead Sea Scrolls because there seems to be immense, colorboating documented data about the Essenes which reflects upon John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth in the way they taught prophesies and lived a strict code of ascetic Judaism. You go onto state in post#252: There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions in [the DSS with respect to the OT]. That is NOT true as the the DSS shows how the Essenes lived in Qumran (desert and farmland or rural communities) and in the various populated cities (urban communities) prior to Jesus of Nazareth and upto the destruction of Jerusalem, circa ~70 CE . Where did you come by that data? Thanks for responding Buckeroo. The ending in 232 was an indication there is a lot of speculation about the years of Jesus not recorded in the Gospels. I stick to the Bible. You make a connection to John the Baptist and Jesus Christ and the Essenes. That connection is speculation. The DSS don't tell us John the Baptist or Jesus Christ were affiliated with the Essenes. There is nothing indicated in the Bible to come to that conclusion. What I meant by revelation is God's revelation to man through the OT and NT, the Bible. So please elaborate on the DSS connection you see. Thanks Thanks
.. explains our need for a Savior by NOT ringing any bells. The Jews do not accept Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah; if any group would have accepted him FIRST, it should have been these folks from Palestine, Galilee and Judea and Babylon (etc). Why do you suppose the JEWS largely discredit Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah? And don't discuss "Jews for Jesus!" that group is not representative of the Pharisees. Excellent questions and some of the best I have heard in quite some time. If you will excuse me for a few hours, I will offer you some feedback/answers. Gotta get some Z's, these 18-20 hour days are a hoot this week. Been wrapped up in a simulation exercise.
Please perform your personal and professional duties before responding to mere posts upon the Internet within a chit-chat channel. I also have been working around the clock and don't find much time to be posting, hence my oft delays for response. Your replies are more than welcome, here on LF and certainly by a number of other posters. And, I encourage you to consider serious questions/investigations into the Christian Bible and add as you have capability. Thanks in advance.
I understand, now, and fully agree. I have heard wild speculation that Jesus of Nazareth went to Tibet, India, Britain, blah, blah blah. I see NO supporting documentation that substantiates FACTS other than misunderstood interpretations of his name. Without any evidence, I don't read or care much about the speculation, either. Still, there is a myth that I used to misunderstand. You shall not find my opinion worth much, but I want to give "the ol' college try" in brief form. It is well known that Jesus wore a beard and very long hair and wore a white cloth as a garment to cover his body. I used to think, "no-one knows this sort of stuff as an absolute fact." Yet, this is exactly how the Essenes lived! The Pharisees and Sadducees did not live this way at all. It is an important connection from a historical point of view outside the Bible within the context of relatively new collaborative understanding about the life and time of Jesus of Nazareth. I am fascinated with these historical details. It is a convincing data point (at least to me) that is far from "faith" and so forth. Frankly, I am studying the material at such a phenomenal rate that my wife has suggested that I am becoming "weird."
This isn't a mere chit chat channel. This is Libertysflame.com. ;)
Are you sure Jesus had long hair? Remember Jhoffa_. He showed me something about that years ago.
actually stone, the word itself tells us that the disciples did not know about the prophecies, and were uneducated. Acts 4:13 13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus The only POV I ever give is that God is gracious and shows mercy to those who call upon him. gary disagrees with me that 1) people do not find God after hearing people's testimony- so no one should give their testimony. 2) only highly educated theologians and ordained ministers should be allowed to speak, and God only saves certain people. I disagree. Both the historical evidence and the word of God say otherwise. It is quite clear to anyone who takes the time to look. In the meantime, it is absolutely true that God will save someone who has no understanding of the Bible, and I am living proof. I have a better understanding of the word than gary and red put together- and it was gifted to me because of my faith. I only understood the Bible after I was baptized. That makes gary angry- because he went to school to try and understand, what was given to me as a free gift. My story is to encourage others to ask questions and seek, and have faith that they can be blessed - just like me. One does not need to understand the Bible to be gifted and to be blessed. Faith comes before every good thing in the Bible. That is in the word and there is proof that Jesus is not giving us a Bible quiz. For personal growth, and deeper understanding and more complex gifts- we do need to study our Bible. I love the Bible. I study it every day- sometimes all day long. To be saved- it is in the word, just call on the name of the Lord. Romans 10:13- Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. That is in all the translations, btw. I believe that is true. :)
That is true. You have to pray and accept Christ. Also God doesn't hear all prayers. That is in the Bible too.
Being saved- and receiving blessings are two different things. A person can be saved by the grace of God - and blessed, with answered prayer, according to their faith. God won't answer the prayers of people who have not shown faith in him, but he does answer all prayers made by those who are faithful. Ezekiel 7:22 >> New International Version (©1984) I will turn my face away from them, and they will desecrate my treasured place; robbers will enter it and desecrate it. The word says that God will only turn away from people who have shown no faith! Ah hah! Once we call upon the Lord, and are saved- we are His child- his lamb, and he will not turn away from us, even IF we are imperfect and sin. Once we are redeemed, we are His. God can not turn away from anyone He has saved, because the word says that he is constant-never changing-compassionate and full of grace and mercy for His children. That is the goodnews. Sometimes the answer, to our requests, is not what we want to hear and some people say that is a prayer unanswered- but that is not true, every prayer-by the faithful- will be answered. And yes true, God does not hear the prayers of the unfaithful and God gifts according to our faith, and not our good works. Want more gifts? Show more faith. :) Romans 12:6 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; I also try to encourage people that showing more faith is something that they CAN do. They can establish more faith- and receive more blessings- and healing and all the good stuff. I say it is easy- and one does not need to be a student of the Bible to show faith and get blessed. I want to encourage everyone- where they are- today- to get more blessings. That is not so popular. :)
It is hard to tell you two apart, since you work in a tag team. But anyway, you may believe that the fishermen knew the OT and were theology students, however that is not true. The word tells us that they were uneducated. You really need to read the Bible red, and stop taking gary's word for it. He has led you astray. The 12 disciples represent all different walks of life. The word says that they did NOT know of the prophecies... meaning they were not educated in theology- because THAT was the entire theology at the time. The OT is the word of God from the prophets- THAT a savior was on His way. John 12:16 >> New International Version (©1984) At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him. New Living Translation (©2007) His disciples didn't understand at the time that this was a fulfillment of prophecy. But after Jesus entered into his glory, they remembered what had happened and realized that these things had been written about him So- there is what you say- and what the word says.
Here is Matt 5:22 in the KJV: Matthew 5:22 (KJV) "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Here is how the NIV puts it. 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Jesus got angry, is and is subject to judgement according to the NIV. That is the way it appears to me. So if I am correct how many other errors are in the NIV?
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#264. To: diva betsy ross (#263)
Judas was not a bad man.
#265. To: hondo68 (#256)
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#266. To: A K A Stone (#264)
#267. To: redleghunter (#253)
#268. To: GarySpFC, buckeroo (#260)
#269. To: hondo68 (#256)
#270. To: diva betsy ross (#267)
Hehe- this is an excellent lesson for this thread- and for why it is important to have an open mind, to know the character of God- and not get addicted to one translation.
#271. To: redleghunter (#270)
#272. To: diva betsy ross (#265)
Could you please show me where I said you were not a Christian?
BTW, I don't get uncomfortable talking about the gospels unless someone's trying to put a misleading or evil spin on them.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#273. To: diva betsy ross, GarySpFC, buckeroo (#268)
faith is not fact. gary would prefer you not having any faith in Jesus- and it is his mission to turn you around and chase you away.
#274. To: diva betsy ross (#271)
I learn such great stuff at these sites! Growing and learning. Praise God. Apparently I am just a natural born student of something called hermeneutics. :)
#275. To: hondo68 (#272)
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#276. To: redleghunter (#273)
#277. To: redleghunter (#273)
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#278. To: diva betsy ross (#276)
red- chatting with you gives me excellent experience speaking to someone in a lower IQ range.
#279. To: redleghunter (#278)
LOL!! Perhaps you could enlighten this caveman on how you can find Truth about God without reading and studying His revelation to man---The Bible. And remember the Gospel was clear to fishermen.
#280. To: diva betsy ross (#275)
constant stalking
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#281. To: diva betsy ross (#277)
lol... you are a cyber stalker. It is sort of funny, but it is actually quite deranged.
#282. To: diva betsy ross (#271)
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But Praise God that I have finally figured out why you and gary and your buddies are so shallow and dry and boring and produce no fruit and receive no blessings or answered prayers.
#283. To: A K A Stone (#279)
#284. To: A K A Stone (#282)
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#285. To: hondo68 (#280)
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#286. To: redleghunter (#278)
#287. To: diva betsy ross, Garyspfc (#286)
Did the fishermen study the Bible? In the Scriptures there are people who did not read the Bible, who sought God and were blessed.
#288. To: redleghunter (#252)
Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation.
I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example?
What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions?
There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions in [the DSS with respect to the OT].
#289. To: redleghunter (#254)
This version gets the point across in cartoon fashion:
.. explains our need for a Savior
#290. To: GarySpFC, Wood_Chopper (#257)
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Faith and Believe are close but differ
What is the difference between belief and faith?
#291. To: diva betsy ross (#286)
lol-you make my point. Did the fishermen study the Bible? In the Scriptures there are people who did not read the Bible, who sought God and were blessed.
#292. To: buckeroo (#288)
You created an excellent dialog/understanding in post #232 but strangely concluded:
#293. To: buckeroo (#289)
That is a pretty cool graphic for quick synthesis, although it simplifies issues for me. But your following point intrigues me:
#294. To: redleghunter (#293)
If you will excuse me for a few hours, I will offer you some feedback/answers. Gotta get some Z's, these 18-20 hour days are a hoot this week. Been wrapped up in a simulation exercise.
#295. To: redleghunter (#292)
The ending in 232 was an indication there is a lot of speculation about the years of Jesus not recorded in the Gospels. I stick to the Bible.
#296. To: buckeroo (#294)
Please perform your personal and professional duties before responding to mere posts upon the Internet within a chit-chat channel
#297. To: buckeroo (#295)
It is well known that Jesus wore a beard and very long hair
#298. To: A K A Stone (#287)
#299. To: diva betsy ross (#298)
and God only saves certain people.
#300. To: A K A Stone (#299)
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#301. To: redleghunter (#291)
#302. To: diva betsy ross, Garyspfc (#300)
New International Version
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