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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#238. To: diva betsy ross (#236)
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I never have been a Christian. From my earliest age I felt frustrated and trapped when I had my parent or others try to use the minor leverage against me. I was estatic to be freed from the oppression of attempts to try to talk me into that faith. I would mention to that Stone showing demonstrably that someone who professes to be Christian can act like a prick and insufferable bastard also shows me it is just a faith meant to control people and manage societies; not a road to enlightenment. As for Buck, people often return if they were a faith, I never believed. At 57 when I am extremely satisfied with my faith; so don't hold your breath. ;-)
Rebellion is human nature. I completely understand, but Mike at the end of the day- it doesn't matter what anyone believes. It only matters what is the truth. You know the truth is that the world, and people, can not be easily explained in a neat sentence. We are all seeking some truth. I happen to have a unique POV, as I was in WICCA for a short time, and I wanted to shed some light for you. You won't find many Christians who will admit they were in WICCA, so I thought I would say, Hey. You say you don't want that- so ok. But now I have to respond to this: (which I don't mind- but don't get mad at me for doing so--ok?) Don't judge Jesus on the actions of me- or Stone- or anyone else, because we are not Jesus. I 100% agree with you that religion is meant as a way of controlling people ad societies. That is why I do not have a religion. You have a religion. I do not. I wish for you peace and freedom and joy. I am not trying to corner you in. I am trying to show you gate to breath taking freedom for your soul. Oh and I never- ever- ever-ever - ever give up hope on anyone! :)
What is the difference between belief and faith?
That is a very good question. For some people, there is no difference. In my experience, belief is something that I understand to be true, based upon what I have seen. I have belief in what has been proven to me. Faith is me trusting in something I do not see ,and can not prove. I can not prove God to you. I can share my faith in God, and explain to you why I believe in God's word.
Faith is me trusting in something I do not see ,and can not prove. So, you see an obvious difference between objective FACT and faith. Don't you have any objective facts to support your faith?
The gospel of Jesus is about the fulfillment of the OT. How can you separate the two? Want to understand the NT- Gospels? Look in the OT. It is all laid out there very simply and easy to find. It is obvious that you have not studied Leviticus, or you would be embarrassed that you can not speak to my point, other than trying to get me to show you. It would be so much rewarding, in your faith, if you were to think and study for yourself. Go and read Leviticus- and ask yourself- WHY would Mary and Joesph move baby Jesus in the NT? I can tell you, of course- but that is *yawn* boring- and to me it is so obvious that it hurts my brain to point it out. The point is that before you go mocking and shaming others, you may want to check your facts. Fact is- you don't know the character of God and can not speak to buck's questions. Hey diva. All those lines and not an answer. Leviticus has nothing to do with Buck's questions. Joseph went to Bethlehem with Mary for the reasons Dr. Luke gives us: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. (NKJV) It was a Roman decree and had nothing to do with Leviticus. So again, if you have something to share, please do so, but I know you won't. Perhaps you could offer us some insights into the gnostic texts you tout often. And who is 'shaming' and 'mocking' others. Buck asked a question, I respectfully answered the question and told him I would not speculate on anything that is not revealed in Scriptures.
It is a fact that my faith in Jesus is rewarded over a long, long period of time. It is that fact to you? No. Therefore is it objective? No, of course not. What is objective? What can you point to in the world is objective fact? What can be proved 100%? Nothing. You are led astray if you believe science is 100% accurate and trustworthy. You are taking your chances in anything you put your faith in. Man is not ever 100% correct. God is not about human fact, because facts are all manipulations anyway- God is supernatural. Fact is that there are many questions about the universe that can not be explained. Can I give you facts about that? No. I can share my faith and why I see it as fact in my world.
I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example?
sigh- red, your faith is so shallow. I could accept that from someone who doesn't profess to be the expert you claim to be. You think that Jesus had to flee because of the Romans? You think the Romans were in charge? There is so much rich and complex symbolism in the Bible- that will lead to great faith and conviction, if you would take some time and figure these things out. God has sovereignty, red. He always has- he always will. God came before the Romans. You do not even go and look? You do not even humble yourself enough to take a look? That is so sad. Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up. Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan. Go and read it in your favorite translation. The main idea is the same in each and every translation. God is large and in charge. Always. From the beginning to the end.
Explain your position from the Beginning of Time as recorded in Genesis to this day. It might be helpful to document your position within any of your Bible studies.
lol- pft.. that would be a huge undertaking, because I love this stuff, I could go on for days. I will write out a summary sometime soon. :) These are excellent questions and practice for me! I am getting offline for a bit. I love these interactions the last couple of days- and they have been great for my Lent observation- but I am done again. I will take a stab at it when I return. ciao!
oh and red- I figure this stuff out on my own, in prayer and meditation- and then I go and look around in Scriptures- and before I say anything here online, I have spent some time figuring things out... so I know what I am talking about, least anyone read me, looking for some answers. I never, ever answer off the cuff. You don't like it because I am a girl, and you are sexist- and I know far more than you do. You have spent time harassing me, and spitting at my understanding- and that is just shameful. Your understanding is not even elementary. That being said- I just went online to reconfirm something for my own understanding and I found this: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Vayikra/Yeshua/yes hua.html Even tho you have been hateful to me, I pray you will find deep comfort and healing in these ideas. I am not the only one who sees the obvious connections. You should really be careful of presenting yourself as an excerpt, when you ego is leading you by the mouth. I pray for your new understanding.
Without any context from which an informed view can be made.
So why is Judas a bad guy? Wasn't he part of the plan?
What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions? The DSS have confirmed the OT Scriptures. There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions.
I could accept that from someone who doesn't profess to be the expert you claim to be. You think that Jesus had to flee because of the Romans? You think the Romans were in charge? There is so much rich and complex symbolism in the Bible- that will lead to great faith and conviction, if you would take some time and figure these things out. God has sovereignty, red. He always has- he always will. God came before the Romans. You do not even go and look? You do not even humble yourself enough to take a look? That is so sad. Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up. Diva I am truly concerned about you. I never claimed to be an expert. I offered a response to a poster and you either did not understand his questions or are totally confused. Because you are so out in left field, you should read the original post and then retract the nonsense you posted above. First I NEVER claimed Jesus was fleeing the Romans (Mary was carrying Jesus so that would make no sense). I stated what is in the Gospel of Luke, that Mary and Joseph went to register, a Roman ordered registration, and that is why they departed from Nazareth to Bethlehem. Not my words, but the words recorded in the Gospel of Luke. Second, the Romans were the earthly political power, the empire of the times. That too is in the Gospels and the remainder of the NT especially Acts. That is clear and plain. No one is claiming Rome had rule over God. That is your machination not mine. So either address the questions head on or don't respond. "Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up." 2 "Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: 'Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name. 4 And if the people of the land should in any way hide their eyes from the man, when he gives some of his descendants to Molech, and they do not kill him, 5 then I will set My face against that man and against his family; and I will cut him off from his people, and all who prostitute themselves with him to commit harlotry with Molech.(NKJV) Diva Leviticus 20:2-5 has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of Joseph and Mary going to Bethlehem. Molech has nothing to do with the Roman census, nor does it have anything to do with the flight to Egypt. Molech is a Amorite pagan god. Again absolutely no relevance.
Here is a good link that explains our need for a Savior: http://www.campuscrusade.com/fourlawsflash.htm This version gets the point across in cartoon fashion:
I never, ever answer off the cuff. You don't like it because I am a girl, and you are sexist- and I know far more than you do. You have spent time harassing me, and spitting at my understanding- and that is just shameful. Your understanding is not even elementary. That being said- I just went online to reconfirm something for my own understanding and I found this: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Vayikra/Yeshua/yes hua.html Even tho you have been hateful to me, I pray you will find deep comfort and healing in these ideas. I am not the only one who sees the obvious connections. You should really be careful of presenting yourself as an excerpt, when you ego is leading you by the mouth. I pray for your new understanding. Diva you are the only one posting here claiming to be an expert. And those sexist comments are unfounded and false. If you are going to play ball (debate on a forum) then you need to suit up and take the hits. What you present here and on LP is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ and many posters seeking Him need to know that. You advocate "meditating" on gnostic texts that both Jesus and His Apostles warned us about in the NT. You have also claimed fellowship with the Cathar gnostic views. You will not admit that God's Words recorded in the Bible are authoritative. You peddle Smorgasbord-Christianity and Syncretism. If you truly want to convince folks about Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, perhaps you should offer them His recorded Words in the Bible.
also claimed fellowship with the Cathar gnostic views I regard her as a wiccan with a bible, posting satanic rantings. She once told me that I'm not a Christian, she couldn't be more wrong.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Faith and Believe are close but differ "The distinctive feature of faith, in contrast with mere belief, is the element in it of will to action. Belief is an act of the intellect, and faith has been described as “an act of the intellect commanded by the will.” But faith is more than an act of the intellect, and the will does more than command. Faith is not merely the assent that something is true, it is our readiness to act on what we believe true. Faith is will lured by value into action. Faith is decision (1955, p. 74). See Samuel Thompson’s, A Modern Philosophy of Religion, 1955, p. 44 for this kind of reasoning. The clearest example of both elements of faith in the same context is Hebrews 11. Verse 6 says, “he that cometh to God must believe that he is...” (emp. added). Beginning with verse 7, the writer observed that a number of notable Old Testament characters trusted in that about which they believed. They acted on their belief. Note the words indicating action—e.g., “prepared” (vs. 7) and “obeyed” (vs. 8).
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
So after all of this, here's my question: I'm thinking of becoming a Christian. Which one of these bibles are correct? My immortal soul hangs in the balance, so I gotta be sure!!
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! (Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama" (Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.
ping-a roonie.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! (Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama" (Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.
"The distinctive feature of faith, in contrast with mere belief, is the element in it of will to action. Belief is an act of the intellect, and faith has been described as “an act of the intellect commanded by the will.” But faith is more than an act of the intellect, and the will does more than command. Faith is not merely the assent that something is true, it is our readiness to act on what we believe true. Faith is will lured by value into action. Faith is decision (1955, p. 74). See Samuel Thompson’s, A Modern Philosophy of Religion, 1955, p. 44 for this kind of reasoning. The clearest example of both elements of faith in the same context is Hebrews 11. Verse 6 says, “he that cometh to God must believe that he is...” (emp. added). Beginning with verse 7, the writer observed that a number of notable Old Testament characters trusted in that about which they believed. They acted on their belief. Note the words indicating action—e.g., “prepared” (vs. 7) and “obeyed” (vs. 8). Buck, you asked the wrong person that question. Proof is subjective, but evidence is objective. The Christian faith is built on Historical evidence which is objective. You have to decide if the evidence rises to the level of proof.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
IMO Judas was part of the story but not part of the plan. Judas tried to stop the plan, but he couldn't. No one can.
A Man on His Harley was riding along a California beach when suddenly the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, God said, 'because you have tried to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish. The biker pulled over and said, 'Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride over anytime I want. God replied, Your request is materialistic; think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking; the supports required reaching the bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would take! I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of something that could possibly help man kind. The biker thought about it for a long time. Finally, he said, 'God, I wish that I, and all men, could understand women; I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says nothing's wrong, why she snaps and complains when I try to help, and how I can make a woman truly happy. God replied: 'You want two lanes or four lanes on that bridge...?"
"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
That is an excellent question. To really understand Judas- you have to learn the character of Judas. I actually prayed about this exact topic a few weeks ago. I was lead to scripture about Judas. What I discovered was that Judas was a flawed man. Judas was greedy, and had idols. Judas also thought that Jesus was going to overthrow the Romans- and was not interested in love and peace. So Judas is the perfect topic for bucks questions about the overthrow of the Roman government. Judas was not a bad man. Judas left doors open to be tempted by evil, and so Satan walked through the door- and tempted him and ended up stealing his soul. That is the very reason we need a savior in the first place. So yes- Judas was part of the plan. Yes- he was part of the plan. The Lord gives us free will to betray him or follow him. We have that choice every single day- 100 times a day. He does not cast spells on us to take our free will. Satan does that. That is what witchcraft is all about. That is why witchcraft is sinful. Judas shows us why sin separates us from the love of the Father. Judas didn't disrupt the plan at all, you will notice. Jesus told his disciples that he was going to die at the hands of men. Isiah had already foretold, and the other prophets had already foretold of the slain lamb that would take the sins of the world away. The only thing Judas did was betray love. He is the only one who suffered. Judas saw the same signs and wonders, and love of Judas- as he walked around with Jesus- and he chose to look away and follow his earthy heart and lust for money. That is how powerful sin is in our lives- and how deceitful sin is. In my mind Judas isn't a bad guy. He is a broken guy, a lost guy and a lesson for us. A person who lacked faith and understanding. I pray for Judas and anyone else like him- and wish for better for them. Want an interesting POV about Judas? Think about Judas being a keyhole/peephole. Look up the meaning of the name- Judas. He was a view - to life without faith. (Death) God has a perfect plan. We are told to follow Jesus- and not think up the plan for ourselves. In a brilliant twist- it is Judas- who teaches us that. The Bible is full of fascinating brilliant twists like that. It is very entertaining. :) I hope that answers your questions.
Actually he was.
Could you please show me where I said you were not a Christian? Thanks. I was in WICCA for a little bit. Your sin is just as great in the world, so be careful. AND remember the good news is that Jesus came for the sinful- not for the righteous. Guess what that means? Jesus came for me. Before you start casting aspersions on other people- hondo- let's remind people that the great David of the Bible committed all sorts of sin in the Bible including murder of an innocent man to steal his wife- and his sin was great- and God says about David, that DAVID is the only man of the Bible who is a man after God's own heart. Not many reading this will have committed sin as great as David. Where does that leave the average sinner? In God's love and acceptance. Jesus does not look at the sin- he loves the sinner. Praise God.
I would love to sit here and discuss this with you- but I honestly have to run. Suffice it to say that I personally can not condemn Judas, I have not been given the authority to do that. When I look at the fact that Judas not only fulfilled the Prophey of the potter's field, when he turned the money into the church- but that he had such remorse and shame for his actions, that he killed himself- then I really can not condemn him as a bad person. I have more compassion for him, having made numerous mistakes- and even denied Christ myself, in my life. I can't judge Judas- since I, too am imperfect have done some pretty bad stuff, as I have already admitted. Why God saved me and blesses me constantly- is about God's grace. I hope Judas found God's grace. It is the same thing I pray for all of us.
Hehe- this is an excellent lesson for this thread- and for why it is important to have an open mind, to know the character of God- and not get addicted to one translation. I said- molek- also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, or Moloc Semitic root meaning "king". You should be embarrassed, but you so much need to soothe your ego, and you refuse to learn.
This is where gary is an expert at killing the gospel of Jesus Christ. He insists that everyone has to come to the gate of God's paradise- by accepting his "facts". Only his "facts" do not exist and he exhausts and confuses people. Just as Satan had hoped for. Buck- faith is not fact. gary would prefer you not having any faith in Jesus- and it is his mission to turn you around and chase you away. Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God. gary likes to place heavy burdens and yokes on people, so that they are in bondage and can not possibly find God. That is a heart issue and people who call themselves Christians do it all of the time, and give us all a bad name. God can not be proved by any human alive- God can only be proved to you, by God. But he isn't going to force himself on you. You have to invite him into your heart. THAT is all faith amounts to. It starts with accepting Jesus died for our sins and asking Him into our lives to reveal His truth to us- and it is just as simple as that. ANYONE can do it. Anyone. No matter what they have done in their past or what they understand. People who are brain damaged can have faith- there is nothing to understand or prove. :) You can chase your tail for years trying to figure out what gary is talking about- and wondering where his fruit and blessings are- OR you could simply go sit down and have a talk with God. It is your birthright to go directly to the source with these questions. You have been given the right- and you are worthy of having fellowship with Jesus. I say- go do that- and don't listen to anyone. Best wishes.
Howdy Hondo, good to see you posting on this thread.
I said- molek- also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, or Moloc Semitic root meaning "king". You should be embarrassed, but you so much need to soothe your ego, and you refuse to learn. First, you should realize you are teaching no one here. You are just adding to confusion. And again you miss the point. The account of the census has nothing to do with Molech and in Leviticus 20, The Lord is clearly telling Israel about the cult of Molech and idolitry. So since you threw out the "root meaning" of a word "king" what does it have to do with the Roman census? If you don't respond I will assume you think there is a linkage between the Birth of Christ and Molech. And I would just add that to the list of strange doctrine you peddle here.
I learn such great stuff at these sites! Growing and learning. Praise God. Apparently I am just a natural born student of something called hermeneutics. :) I think it is just too far over your head, red. Don't worry your little self over it from now on. Ok? But Praise God that I have finally figured out why you and gary and your buddies are so shallow and dry and boring and produce no fruit and receive no blessings or answered prayers. You don't see the excitement and glory of God in the fullest. It has baffled me beyond measure- but I see it now. It has shocked me and surprised me that your understanding of the Bible is so elementary. NOW I get it.. I figured it out from reading this: http://tcpiii.tripod.com/levit1.htm See I love all scripture. All of it. Leviticus, for example is beautiful and rich to me- and I learn so much from it, that brings me to great blessings. I bet you have never even read it- OR if you have, you simple don't understand what you are reading. That is why you have to try to discredit me. Because you are not able to understand. I keep saying it, and it is true, when we know the character and intent of God, these Scriptures make so much sense and fill us with hope and the ability to find deep blessings. God is so good and so faithful.
it is not possible that you are a Christ follower. :) I think we have been thru that before on this forum. Christ followers don't get so uncomfortable, as you do, when someone is talking about the gospels. diva betsy ross posted on 2011-08-26 libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=23519&Disp=63#C63 Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God. Diva this has to be the most revealing post from you. Here are your words: "faith is not fact. gary would prefer you not having any faith in Jesus- and it is his mission to turn you around and chase you away." DBR Really? Fact hundreds of people witnessed the Risen Christ: 1 Corinthians 15: 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.(NKJV) How is that for a fact? Your words again: "No one needs to understand or accept the Bible, to seek God. Faith comes from wanting to know the truth and seeking God." DBR I don't know what "god" you are seeking, but the Bible IS God's Written Word, His Truth. So if you disregard the Bible, you are preaching a different gospel than delivered by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. So no facts, no Bible=spiritism
I think it is just too far over your head, red. Don't worry your little self over it from now on. Ok? Hermeneutics??!! What would you like to know about the literal, plain interpretation of Scriptures? So what is your Christology and soteriology? I went to the link provided. Absolutely no relevance to the discussion points. The same sermon was given at VBS when I was 12. Good to study but no relevance to the Roman decree.
Uh- I never said you were not a Christian. You don't seem to understand what I said there. Also- evil spin? You should read the Bible. I pray you do. I wonder what your hatred and constant stalking to start arguments with me- says about your understanding of a "house divided". Hint- that came about when Jesus, himself, was accused of being evil. I pray you find that seek and find that deep understanding.
red- chatting with you gives me excellent experience speaking to someone in a lower IQ range. I find it frustrating, but I know I have to learn how you people problem solve, so thank you for the opportunity. I appreciate your time and feedback.
oh and red- so because I stopped posting at LP on this topic- you decided to stalk me over here and start it all over again? Seriously? You need me that much? lol... you are a cyber stalker. It is sort of funny, but it is actually quite deranged. You and gary both want me so much that you can stand to let me alone on a different site? Worried I was going to talk to buck too much? Hope you don't break out in a fist fight over me. lol.....
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#239. To: Ferret Mike (#238)
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#240. To: diva betsy ross (#239)
it doesn't matter what anyone believes
#241. To: buckeroo (#240)
#242. To: diva betsy ross (#241)
In my experience, belief is something that I understand to be true, based upon what I have seen. I have belief in what has been proven to me.
#243. To: diva betsy ross (#237)
red- everything that happens in the Old Testament points to the New Testament- and vice versa.
#244. To: buckeroo (#242)
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#245. To: redleghunter (#232)
Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation.
#246. To: redleghunter (#243)
#247. To: diva betsy ross (#246)
Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan
#248. To: buckeroo (#247)
#249. To: redleghunter (#243)
#250. To: diva betsy ross (#249)
I figure this stuff out on my own, in prayer and meditation- and then I go and look around in Scriptures- and before I say anything here online, I have spent some time figuring things out
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#251. To: diva betsy ross (#246)
Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan.
#252. To: buckeroo (#245)
I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example?
#253. To: diva betsy ross (#246)
sigh- red, your faith is so shallow.
#254. To: buckeroo (#247)
#255. To: diva betsy ross (#249)
oh and red- I figure this stuff out on my own, in prayer and meditation- and then I go and look around in Scriptures- and before I say anything here online, I have spent some time figuring things out... so I know what I am talking about, least anyone read me, looking for some answers.
#256. To: redleghunter, diva betsy ross (#255)
#239. To: Ferret Mike: I was in WICCA diva betsy ross posted
You advocate "meditating" on gnostic texts that both Jesus and His Apostles warned us about in the NT 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#257. To: buckeroo! Redleghunter (#240)
What is the difference between belief and faith?
#258. To: GarySpFC (#257)
#259. To: buckeroo (#257)
#260. To: buckeroo (#242)
So, Faith and Believe are close but differ
#261. To: Skip Intro (#251)
So why is Judas a bad guy? Wasn't he part of the plan?
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#263. To: Skip Intro (#251)
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#264. To: diva betsy ross (#263)
Judas was not a bad man.
#265. To: hondo68 (#256)
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#267. To: redleghunter (#253)
#268. To: GarySpFC, buckeroo (#260)
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#270. To: diva betsy ross (#267)
Hehe- this is an excellent lesson for this thread- and for why it is important to have an open mind, to know the character of God- and not get addicted to one translation.
#271. To: redleghunter (#270)
#272. To: diva betsy ross (#265)
Could you please show me where I said you were not a Christian?
BTW, I don't get uncomfortable talking about the gospels unless someone's trying to put a misleading or evil spin on them.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#273. To: diva betsy ross, GarySpFC, buckeroo (#268)
faith is not fact. gary would prefer you not having any faith in Jesus- and it is his mission to turn you around and chase you away.
#274. To: diva betsy ross (#271)
I learn such great stuff at these sites! Growing and learning. Praise God. Apparently I am just a natural born student of something called hermeneutics. :)
#275. To: hondo68 (#272)
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