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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#121. To: All (#119)
Does John Adams sound like a Deist? John Adams, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." President Adams, July 4, 1821 "The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were . . . the general principles of Christianity." John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 28, 1813, The Adams-Jefferson Letters,ed. Lester J. Cappon (Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 1959), vol 2, pp. 339-40. "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams from his Oct. 13, 1789 address to the military. "Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there contained! Every member would be obliged in conscience to temperance, frugality and industry: to justice, kindness and charity towards his fellow men: and to piety, love and reverence toward Almighty God....What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." John Adams diary entry Feb. 22., 1756. "The Christian religion is, above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity. Let the Blackguard Paine say what he will; it is Resignation to God, it is Goodness itself to man." John Adams retorting to Thomas Paine in his diary, July 26, 1796. John Adams and John Hancock: "We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! " April 18, 1775 "A patriot without religion, in my estimation, is as great a paradox as an honest man without the fear of God. Is it possible that he whom no moral obligations bind, can have any real Good Will towards Men? Can he be a patriot who, by an openly vicious conduct, is undermining the very bonds of Society? ...The Scriptures tell us righteousness exalteth a Nation." Abigal Adams, wife of President John Adams in letter to husband John Adams 1776. "...a true American Patriot must be a religious man...He who neglects his duty to his maker, may well be expected to be deficient and insincere in his duty towards the public." Abigal Adams, wife of President John Adams in letter to husband John Adams 1776. "The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but the God of Israel is He that giveth strength and power unto His people. Trust in Him at all times, ye people, pour out your hearts before Him; God is a refuge for us." Abigal Adams, wife of President John Adams in letter to husband John Adams 1776. "Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, they may change their rulers and the forms of government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty." John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, dated June 21, 1776. "The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Read carefully the first quote by Washington? does he sound like a Deist? What does this tell you about his view of atheism? George Washington, "The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations." George Washington's letter of August 20, 1778 to Brig. General Thomas Nelson "Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee." George Washington's prayer at Valley Forge "No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency...We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of heaven cannot be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself has ordained." -- George Washington in his Inaugural Address, April 30, 1789 "Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being, who rules over the universe, who presides in the council of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States.." "...Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency" From President George Washington's Inaugural Address, April 30th, 1789, addressed to both Houses of Congress. "Let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion."-- George Washington, ca. 1789, Maxims of Washington, ed. John F. Schroeder (Mt. Vernon: Mt. Vernon Ladies Association, 1942), p. 106. "And now, Almighty Father, if it is Thy holy will that we shall we shall obtain a place and name among the nations of the Earth...:grant that we may be enabled to show our gratitude for Thy goodness by endeavors to fear and obey Thee." George Washington "The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man, will endeavor so to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest Rights and Liberties of his country." General George Washington, July 9, 1776 "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports . . . And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion . . . Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle." From President George Washington's Farewell Address "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian." George Washington--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
BAH! You must have skipped class in a formal institution concerning History of America that day, while attending a local church about some sermon practicing HELL_FIRE&DAMNATION if you are not baptized in the blood of Christ. This is incorrect from a historical perspective. The idea of taking up arms against the British wasnot and isnot a CHRISTIAN concept. Similar to the poppycock about the same in a modern sense: GOTO WAR AGAINST THE MUSLIMS. It is all pure unadulterated crapola. It is total chicanery that you have fallen for.
Why not? All three religious groups (Jews, Christians and Muslims) use Abraham/Sarah as the foundation for their respective faiths.
Deism and atheism are not the same concepts. You are incorrect from a conceptual perspective.
John Adams wanted strong central government where power rested with a few people. Adams and the Federalists also opposed the Bill Of Rights. While President, Adams trampled on the Bill of Rights by passing the Alien and Sedition Acts, which among other things empowered the President to imprison people who spoke in a "false, scandalous and malicious" manner against the government. (Adams was kind of the George Bush of his day!) John Adams is hardly a paragon of American thought. I wouldn't be quoting him too much if I were you.
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." President Adams, July 4, 1821 So they copied certain principles of Christianity that could also be found in any number of other religions. And it's not like most colonists then wouldn't have been familiar and more accepting......
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
GarySpFC: None of the four. Are you saying that Jesus of Nazareth was not a Jew? If Jesus was Jew, he had to have identified with one of those four Jewish factions, already suggested. If he was not a Jew, what was he, then? How come, at a young age, did Jesus goto Egypt? For a vacation? Or, was he taken to avoid the Romans? If he was identified as a Jewish Zealot, it is understandable about his journey. If he belonged to any of the other Jewish factions, it is not understandable unless there is some data to show that Joesph and Mary were shamed by the Galilee Jewish community for Jesus' birth.
That's not correct. Where do you think the term unalienable rights originated? Are you aware that American Churches and pastors played a major role in the Revolution? When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's Godentitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
So how was taking up arms against a Christian theological entity such as Britain considered a Christian concept? Are you saying that in a Christian theocracy, unalienable rights cannot exist?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Bull crap! It was a Christian duty to refuse to worship King George, and rebel.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
I think you are mistaken by magnitudes of order. You are simply rallying to the feverish, emotional battle-cry of the day as delivered by sermons across the colonial colonies. It was NOT a pure Christian duty. BTW, this same feverish pitch of small churches occurred across America prior to the War Between the States in regards to abolition. Of course, today, we are stuck with the impact of the federal government interfering in just about everything around our lives. And today, in America, here we are again: ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS! Off to Tehran, Iran to fight for Jerusalem!
That isn't true. It isn't the bedrock for the muslim cult. ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (They worship the dead man mohammad). Thou shalt not kill. (Their cult book says to kill Christians and jews) Thou shalt not steal. (They want to steal the promised land from the Jews. In fact they still occupy much of Israel.) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Their toilet paper cult book the Koran says to lie to non muslims.) Commandment 10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's (The Muslims covet what God gave Israel.) So no buckeroo the so called muslim faith isn't based on the 10 commandments.
Prove to me that the Muslims deny Abraham/Sarah/Isaiah whom are the same roots of Judaism and Christianity. Keep in mind, while performing your research, that I know better. So prove to me your perspective with links or references. Find your authoritative references BEYOND some other HELLFIRE&DAMNATION Sunday school church meeting that you may frequent. Your help is appreciated.
They worship Mohammad. They say to kill christians and Jews. They want the land God gave the Jews. Those are just a few of the facts about the muslim cult that you seem to like so much.
Really? Where are your authoritative references as I requested? Certainly you have at least one authoritative reference handy within your fantastick and knowledgeable repertoire of understanding which you intend to convey supporting your personal opinion.
Thanks but no thanks. Better things to do right now. What I said is true.
Really? Where is your supporting material to prove your viewpoint? I would enjoy studying your authoritative reference. Thanks in advance.
Are you saying that Jesus of Nazareth was not a Jew? If Jesus was Jew, he had to have identified with one of those four Jewish factions, already suggested. If he was not a Jew, what was he, then? No. I am saying he was not a member of any of those groups. He wasn't required to be a member of a group. How come, at a young age, did Jesus goto Egypt? For a vacation? Or, was he taken to avoid the Romans? If he was identified as a Jewish Zealot, it is understandable about his journey. If he belonged to any of the other Jewish factions, it is not understandable unless there is some data to show that Joesph and Mary were shamed by the Galilee Jewish community for Jesus' birth. No, his parents took him to Egypt to escape Herod. He was less than two years old.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Read the Declaration of Independence from beginning to end, and then tell me if you think King George was a Christian.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
The 10 Commandments came on the scene via Moses about 600 years after Abraham.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
How do you know? Herod was affiliated with the Pharisees and the Sadducees, whom enjoyed their relative and lofty positions with the Roman triumph over the Jews. So, why would Jesus of Nazareth (or his immediate family leading the journey) escape to Egypt? Were Jesus' parents afraid of retribution from Herod for belonging to a different faction of the Jews?
It depends on which side of the Atlantic you take sides with, doesn't it?
Of course. You have actually added to the thread not denying or suggesting otherwise that the three great religions are mutually inclusive from the original Jewish documents, circa ~1250 BCE.
That's true, but the moon god is their deity which is why they use the muzlim crescent moon symbol. They switched to a fake god, so they're outa Judaism! They're about on a par with wiccans, satan worshipers.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
You're beginning to sound like a Canadian Tory in an Alaskan bathhouse. Long live the Queens! Bucky wuz hacked!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
BAH! The Muslims don't believe in any God but one: Allah, even their prophet Muhammad is not considered a "god" much less the symbolism you suggest. The symbolism of the crescent moon is because Mecca from the early days.
You are not going to get a straight answer from these clowns. Especially Bozo the AKA, who you always know is absolutely wrong when he claims to be right.
ROTFL. Still, the American revolution had little to do with Christian ideas. The revolution was basically over taxation and the elimination of British rule from across the Atlantic. Where does the word "Christian" appear in the DoI or the USC?
Heya Mike - I can tell, you know the reasons for this thread. It is apparent from your post. With a wee bit of luck, some of the ideas shall "rub off" to others even if those ideas posted are not mine. But, one of the shackles of modern day life is this "religious" characterization for either supporting political debate or not. One of my ideas, although not advanced with supporting material (just yet) is that Jesus of Nazareth was caught up in a revolution in Judea at around the time of severe subjugation by both the Romans and Jews. The resultant events created the myths we read, irrespective of the variation of the Bible anyone reads. Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL!
I am saying he [Jesus of Nazareth] was not a member of any of those groups. He wasn't required to be a member of a group. Forty years of studying every minute detail of Christ's life. his [Jesus of Nazareth] parents took him to Egypt to escape Herod. He was less than two years old. Herod was affiliated with the Pharisees and the Sadducees, whom enjoyed their relative and lofty positions with the Roman triumph over the Jews. So, why would Jesus of Nazareth (or his immediate family leading the journey) escape to Egypt? Were Jesus' parents afraid of retribution from Herod for belonging to a different faction of the Jews? Herod was affiliated with the Herodians, and was an evil butcher, even murdering his own sons. Caesar said, "better to be a hog of Herod's than his son."
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
I have a doctorate in theology, and I am very aware of the difference. Today, atheists use the "Founding Fathers were Deists argument.". Deists at that time were very different than modern Deists, which today are closer to atheists.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Baloney! They were Christians.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Muslim Terror Islam - "And in their spare time they conquered north Africa, occupied Spain, tried to invade France, took Sicily, took Southern Italy, looted the Vatican, tried to take Vienna, murdered atheletes at the Olympics, blew up a disco in Bali, bombed a Spanish train station, bombed the London Underground, murdered Buddhists in Thailand, bombed nightclubs in Israel and took down the World Trade Center towers." Author Unknown "As long as the arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous and cruel." T.E. Lawrence "Their plan is to return the entire world - not just the Middle East - to the days of the caliphate and either convert all of us so-called infidels into born-again Islamic believers or kill us." David Hackworth "Europe is no longer Europe, it is Eurabia, a colony of Islam, where the Islamic invasion does not proceed only in a physical sense, but also in a mental and cultural sense.". Oriana Fallaci Have you ever lived in Muslim countries or communities? Curious. Their "religion" is not just a religion. These Imams and Mullahs (depending on flavor of Islam) are not the crazy Westboro Baptist church pastor who can be ignored. Islam is political; geopolitical; government; military; culture...It permeates the entire "life" of the person, family, community, government, diet etc. And this Islam calls for everyone in the world to submit to their way of life...Or die. You cannot "box in" Islam to the Friday mosque service and holidays...Islam is the very fabric of these societies. So you see just by being who we are, they being who they are, they are at perpetual war with us. Our hopes of changing them to something as we have will only work if Islam is replaced with another faith. Islam must be removed in order to free the Arabs, Persians et al. An American Officer
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Muslims only believe part of the Bible. The Qur'an is comprised of 114 revelations of Mohammed that are reported to be mostly spoken in pain from him twisting on the ground in convulsions. There is no prophet in scripture that received the word of God in this manner. The Muslim claims the Qur'an was written in Arabic, which they claim is the language of heaven on a stone tablet in heaven having no human author. However we find the Qur'an is not written in 100% Arabic but has some Hebrew, Persian and even Greek words. If Arabic is the language of heaven and the Qur'an was dictated perfectly why does the Qur'an contains foreign words that are Hebrew, Greek and Persian. This contradiction should be evident to all. If one were to ask where the original manuscript is there are no solid answers. The average Muslim will insist they know it is in their possession, but scholars know better. To not have the original and to not know where it is, not a tenable position to take. Especially when one states the Qur'an is a perfect book of revelation, correcting the Bible. How can Mohammed have had this done in all there languages? Are all three spoken in heaven?
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL There wasn't time for myths to develop prior to the writing of the Gospels. Furthermore, there were too many eyewitnesses still alive, and none came forth to refute the Gospel accounts.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
He was a wild radical alright! Doesn't seem like the type to drive a Chevy Volt, or favor bailouts.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
If that is true, how can you have non-Muslims living or even visiting Muslim nations?
Was Herod (pick any of them) a Jew? Remember, Jesus of Nazareth is caught up in this time period ... Jesus is not the object of discussion, however. It is about the Pharisees and Sadducees sharing a subordinate position with Herod/Rome.
Your pic (in a sense) clarifies the reasons for the Romans/Jews to murder Jesus as he did so during an important festival, called the Passover. He kicked BUTT against both Romans and Jews. Of course, Jesus' earlier Sermon on the Mount in Galilee, pissed off a lot of folks, too. He was a REBEL!
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#122. To: All (#121)
#123. To: Liberator, GarySpFC, mininggold (#111)
but the pagans, agnostics, atheists, and the ignorant will NOT concede that the tenets of Christianity and word of God was the Founders' foundation of what was the Hope that might help maintain the honor and integrity of this Republic.
#124. To: GarySpFC (#119)
I would not include Muslims in that group.
#125. To: GarySpFC (#122)
#126. To: GarySpFC (#121)
John Adams...
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#127. To: GarySpFC (#121)
John Adams,
#128. To: GarySpFC (#118)
buckeroo: And Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew. What faction of the Jews did he represent? At his time: the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes and the Zealots represented the known Jewish factions according to Josephus' in "Jewish Antiquities."
#129. To: buckeroo (#123)
You must have skipped class in a formal institution concerning History of America that day, while attending a local church about some sermon practicing HELL_FIRE&DAMNATION if you are not baptized in the blood of Christ. This is incorrect from a historical perspective. The idea of taking up arms against the British wasnot and isnot a CHRISTIAN concept. Similar to the poppycock about the same in a modern sense: GOTO WAR AGAINST THE MUSLIMS. It is all pure unadulterated crapola.
#130. To: GarySpFC (#129)
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hat's not correct. Where do you think the term unalienable rights originated? Are you aware that American Churches and pastors played a major role in the Revolution?
#131. To: buckeroo (#123)
The idea of taking up arms against the British wasnot and isnot a CHRISTIAN concept.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#132. To: hondo68 (#131)
It was a Christian duty to refuse to worship King George, and rebel.
#133. To: buckeroo (#113)
And, the Ten Commandments is the bedrock for Judaism and Christianity and Muslim faiths.
#134. To: A K A Stone (#133)
the so called muslim faith isn't based on the 10 commandments.
#135. To: buckeroo (#134)
#136. To: A K A Stone (#135)
They worship Mohammad. They say to kill christians and Jews. They want the land God gave the Jews. Those are just a few of the facts about the muslim cult that you seem to like so much.
#137. To: buckeroo (#136)
#138. To: A K A Stone (#137)
What I said is true.
#139. To: buckeroo (#128)
#140. To: mininggold (#130)
how was taking up arms against a Christian theological entity such as Britain considered a Christian
#141. To: buckeroo (#134)
Prove to me that the Muslims deny Abraham/Sarah/Isaiah whom are the same roots of Judaism and Christianity. Keep in mind, while performing your research, that I know better. So prove to me your perspective with links or references.
#142. To: GarySpFC (#139)
I am saying he [Jesus of Nazareth] was not a member of any of those groups. He wasn't required to be a member of a group.
his [Jesus of Nazareth] parents took him to Egypt to escape Herod. He was less than two years old.
#143. To: GarySpFC (#140)
Read the Declaration of Independence from beginning to end, and then tell me if you think King George was a Christian.
#144. To: GarySpFC (#141)
The 10 Commandments came on the scene via Moses about 600 years after Abraham.
#145. To: A K A Stone (#135)
They worship Mohammad.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#146. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#143)
depends on which side of the Atlantic you take sides with
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#147. To: hondo68 (#145)
but the moon god is their deity which is why they use the muzlim crescent moon symbol.
#148. To: buckeroo (#147)
#149. To: hondo68 (#146)
#150. To: Ferret Mike (#148)
#151. To: buckeroo (#142)
How do you know?
#152. To: buckeroo (#125)
Deism and atheism are not the same concepts. You are incorrect from a conceptual perspective.
#153. To: mininggold (#127)
So they copied certain principles of Christianity that could also be found in any number of other religions. And it's not like most colonists then wouldn't have been familiar and more accepting......
#154. To: buckeroo (#136)
#155. To: buckeroo (#144)
Of course. You have actually added to the thread not denying or suggesting otherwise that the three great religions are mutually inclusive from the original Jewish documents, circa ~1250 BCE.
#156. To: buckeroo (#150)
One of my ideas, although not advanced with supporting material (just yet) is that Jesus of Nazareth was caught up in a revolution in Judea at around the time of severe subjugation by both the Romans and Jews. The resultant events created the myths we read, irrespective of the variation of the Bible anyone reads.
#157. To: buckeroo, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#150)
Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL!
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#158. To: GarySpFC (#154)
And this Islam calls for everyone in the world to submit to their way of life...Or die.
#159. To: GarySpFC (#151)
Herod was affiliated with the Herodians, and was an evil butcher, even murdering his own sons. Caesar said, "better to be a hog of Herod's than his son."
#160. To: hondo68 (#157)
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