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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
Source: LF
URL Source: http://hereandnow
Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 289536
Comments: 449

Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read?

As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth.

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#1. To: buckeroo, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0) (Edited)

Romans 13 is probably the most devastating thing to a Christian in the hands of the ungodly. It sounds so convincing to obey those who appear to be in power. For too long, secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.

God said there are powers not ordained by Him at Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

God didn't put them in power over the righteous. That's Satan's idea. The righteous don't need worldly, filthy authorities, which are no authorities at all. Do you think that they can instruct the righteous? They themselves steal. They themselves are perverts. And they presume to instruct the righteous? I don't think so.

The NIV is revisionist history at it's worst, written by satist NWO neocon libtards. The following chart demonstrates just how far they strayed...


Warning: Beware of the Living Bible and the Good News Bible. They are merely Bible paraphrases, not translations. The wording is not true to the original Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures are perverted to support secular Christianity.

Romans 13:1-7

King James Bible
(Translation)

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.


7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Living Bible
(Paraphrase)

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power.

 2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don't want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well.

4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose.

5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.

6 Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God's work, serving you.

 7 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.

 

Understanding Romans 13:1-7

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-18   18:14:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#1)

Using your comparison chart in your first post between the King James Version (KJV) and the Living Bible (LB), I want you to know that the New King James Version (NKJV) (note: NOT the KJV as in your chart) has the same meaning as the Living Bible (LB). Also, this same idea contained in your chart between Living Bible (LB) King James (KJV) version seems perpetuated all over the many variations that exist.

I do not believe for a moment that the Bible instructs us, "So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow" (LB) or "The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose." (LB) This is total poppycock for the lame brain creating, dull mass lunatics (whom can't think for themselves) submitting to a fuckin' dictator.

I checked the Coptic Church, too. They are the oldest group of "Christians" around even foreshadowing the Catholic Church by several hundreds of years and they use the English translation of the NKJV! Even the Arabic translation (SJV) converts to "submission unto the the Sultans." I don't believe many people understand the intent of Jesus Christ at all. He was a REBEL in his day, that is the reason for his crucifixion.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   11:37:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo, *Ron Paul for President* (#22)

the Coptic Church

submission unto the the Sultans.

Like the gov the Coptics try their best to rip you off. The ones running the liquor store are known far and wide for trying to short change their customers.

Maybe they give the money to Sultan Oilbombers reelection campaign?

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   11:59:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#23)

The Coptics are pretty much centralized in Egypt and have been as much or more victimized through time as any of the Jews. Their first original writings came from Mark (one of the apostles of Christ) in Alexandria.

Still, they use the NKJV, as well which is curious to me.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   12:07:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

The Coptics are pretty much centralized in Egypt

The ones I mentioned (two brothers) are immigrants from Iran.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   12:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: hondo68 (#25)

I was sure there was some subtle humour intended but I am studying the many variations of the Christian Bible right now. I am exceptionally curious about how the passage of Romans 13 has been interpreted in all these variations of English translation.

Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL not some cheap submissive, humble servant of the government that is represented in all these English Bible translations.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   12:33:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#26) (Edited)

Kings and even religious leaders try to spin to bible and tell us they we have to kiss their asses. Revolutionary preachers taught that "resistance to tyranny is obedience to God". They considered King George to be a false god (idol).

I'm taking a wild ass guess that Oilbomber and Big Sis are false gods too!


Article I posted ages ago at TOS... How Preachers Incited Revolution

No wonder I got banned twice from that statist NWO bushbot site.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   12:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#27)

Your original link, The American Revolution - How Preachers Incited Revolution by Harry S. Stout is another resource for my repertoire of understanding how and why anyone would BELIEVE some of these English translations of the Christian Holy Bible as taught these days in the churches across the USA.

And we wonder HOW America failed? The entire American nation has been blinded into becoming a herd of sheep caged by ravenous wolves ready to strike at any moment. And, at the top of the list are the fucking ministers, pastors, priests and other BS artists that practice their Sunday SATANIC message of BS.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   13:33:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: hondo68, all (#28)

Hondo - I just researched a wee bit about your excellent resource, Harry Stout. I'm buying his book: The New England Soul: Preaching and Religious Culture in Colonial New England. As a synopsis of the book:

From Library Journal Stout provides an exhaustive, scholarly survey of the content of both regular and special-occasion sermons in New England from 1630 to 1776. Unlike most previous studies, this monograph treats manuscript sources as well as printed sources. The more than 2000 sermons Stout studies are divided into five generational cohorts based on the dates of the clergy's education, and they give a creditable sample of what the average colonial New Englander heard from the pulpit. For Stout, all five colonial clergy generations experienced and preached a continuing concept of New England settlers as a convenanted people with a unique relationship to God similar to ancient Israel's. Strongly recommended for academic and seminary libraries.Susan A. Stussy, Marian Coll. Lib., Indianapolis Copyright 1986 Reed Business Information, Inc.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   15:17:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo, diva betsy ross, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#39)

Harry Stout. I'm buying his book: The New England Soul: Preaching and Religious Culture in Colonial New England

Definitely a step up from reading the satanic rantings of an Obama worshiper like diva.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   15:53:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: hondo68, diva betsy ross (#43)

DBR seems to think diametrically opposed to my antithetical opinion ...

  • The New Testament was NOT dropped from heaven.
  • The New Testament was NOT delivered by an angel.
  • The New Testament was NOT found in a farmer’s field like the Book of Mormon.
  • The New Testament was NOT suddenly “discovered” in a clay jar with 27 “books” intact like the Dea Sea Scrolls or the Nag Hammadi texts.

Strange as it may seem, the many variations we find with the Christian Holy Bible *IS* the very reason for the many variations of churches and interpretations of Jesus of Nazareth own words.

Jesus was a REBEL! I can PROVE it, too, DBR.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   16:56:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: buckeroo (#44)

Strange as it may seem, the many variations we find with the Christian Holy Bible *IS* the very reason for the many variations of churches and interpretations of Jesus of Nazareth own words.

Church doctrine almost always is based on the Greek or Hebrew text, and seldom if ever translations.

GarySpFC  posted on  2012-02-25   0:08:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#76. To: GarySpFC (#75)

Church doctrine almost always is based on the Greek or Hebrew text, and seldom if ever translations.

I see. So how did Jerome translate the Greek and Coptic texts at the Library of Alexandria, Egypt for the Vulgate into Latin in circa ~379 CE?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-25 01:09:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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