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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#327. To: A K A Stone (#326)
Actually, you would have to go deeper into: Mark 9:39 But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me I do believe it is true that not all people who pray out asking for God's help will enter Heaven. Asking for a blessing from God is not surrender or inviting God into our lives. The people who obey God and do His will, have a relationship and go to Heaven.
If one says there was no Trinity prior to the Incarnation, then they are denying Jesus is God, and therefore a heretic. Christ is God, hence eternal.
Eternal means without beginning and without end.
Someone can have a couple of dozen bibles and read them frequently, but if they don't accept the divinity of Christ, I have a tough time taking them seriously as a Christian. Anyway, enough of he witch hunts for me, we know who they are.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Then again, gary you will stalk and harass people who say no such thing- and hang that accusation around their neck- because they refuse to worship YOU. You want things specifically and perfectly defined in the same exact words you, yourself, use.. or you call that person a witch and a heretic. But your ideas are wrong and it is obvious to anyone who knows the character of God- so you leave no choice for people. That is exactly what happened to me, with you. How many others have you lied about? You are a very wicked person with your accusations and lies. You speak death and evilness. I pray for the people you have harmed and abused. So , so sad. Jesus is the Lord, God.. not you gary. In the book of Genesis it says that the Trinity existed at the foundation. You have zero authority to define anything.
Yes- however, when a minster is attempting to explain the trinity to a non- believer, and that minister explains that Jesus is God in a human body- and was born from a human- THAT is NOT someone who MUST be an evil witch. THAT is not denying that Jesus was God, and it is not even close to the insanity you have shown in your repeated attempts to discredit my POV. You are a sick, sick man- gary. Very sick. God have mercy on you, because you are so far from Christ like. How many people have you abused because they did not speak your insane language? I know you abused your aunt- for forming her own ideas about the Holy Spirit... how many children have you hurt and turned away from God? I bet plenty. Your ideas are not only wrong and not Biblical- you are a stalker. You have no sense of boundaries.
“One who refuses truth cannot be refuted or healed with truth or its prophet, reason. There is in him no sense of obligation, even to truth, and therefore no obligation to anything.” --Peter Kreeft
Excellent quote. This from Francis Schaeffer: "It is an important principle to remember, in the contemporary interest in communication and in language study, that the biblical presentation is that though we do not have exhaustive truth, we have from the Bible what I term true truth. In this way we know true truth about God, true truth about man, and something truly about nature. Thus on the basis of the Scriptures, while we do not have exhaustive knowledge, we have true and unified knowledge." (Francis A. Schaeffer, Escape From Reason, Ch. 2)
red- Are you and gary gay lovers? That would explain many unanswered questions, like why you rush in to defend him when he gets his backside handed to him for being evil.
Colossians 2:8 (King James Version) Colossians 2:8 King James Version (KJV) 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ A professor of philosophy? PFT.. gary you have so many human idols it is hard to keep up with you. People who love worldy knowledge and men, over God and the Bible, do not know the character of God or the Bible. The word is very clear about worldly knowledge. You seem to be addicted to the world of what men think. Weird - that.
In the ancient Hebrew words that are used to described distance and direction are also used to describe time. The Hebrew word for east is qedem and literally means “the direction of the rising sun” Your definitions are wrong and out of syncs with the character of God. Not in the Bible, it doesn't mean without beginning and without end. You make grave errors when you try to define God and His creations- with your worldly male idols. You worship males, gary. Your ego has you led by the nose. Jeremiah 32:40 >> New International Version (©1984) I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. God says , I WILL make. That means it is new to them- and has not always been so. What a twisted and sick man you are. You are hardly an expert on the word of God. You don't even understand the word eternal.
40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
:) Yes. Praise God. Stone- God makes good on all His promises. That is the good news. He does not turn away from us. And the good news is that God really does want everyone to see how to enter through HIS gate. Not man's gate- but God's gate, into paradise.
How is his definition of eternity wrong? Post 329. How is that out of character with God. It simply means he always was and always will be. Is there something I'm missing. If so I don't see it.
gary is trying to re-introuduce the point that last year, in a discussion on Libertypost with a non-believer- in defining the Trinity to another poster, I explained Jesus (in the trinity) as God in a human form , born from a human. I said the concept of Jesus was alway there, but his human body was born of a human body, and was a gift for us- to show us God. gary says I am a witch and evil, because Jesus is everlasting and has always been. I said show me where Jesus was walking around on the Earth in that body in the OT. gary says I am an evil witch. So now he is bringing the old discussion from LP, last year, back up here. He followed me around LP for a year- calling me names and saying I was born of Hell.. and now he is here to do the same thing- with his friend, red the lap dog. So out out of the blue - he posts something that seems out of place- but I know what he is referring to- and there is my answer, He says in the Bible the word eternal/everlasting means without beginning or end. That is not what that passage says- is it? Why would God make new covenants that are eternal/everlasting... if they have always been? When God makes a covenant with you, and nay believer- and it will be an eternal promise. Does that mean the covenant has always been, and is without beginning? No. The character of God is that He is our loving Father in Heaven. He creates things for us- for our own good. gary's idea is that there is one *man made* way to get to God- to hear God - and one way God does it- and HE (gary) holds the keys to all understanding of God. Except gary doesn't. God wants a relationship - and that may look different in other people- and we are told NOT to judge and that we will not understand God's ways. If you beleive gary's definition- then you are just a number bub- and there is no need for surrender, there is no need for relationship. There is no need for personal revelation. God would not answer personal prayer- because everything would have already been decided and written in stone about who you are and your life. Jut follow behind and do what you are told , by man. Oh and give man all authority to your power too. It is a pretty convent definition for a man who refuses to acknowledge the Holy Spirit and the idea of total surrender and dependence upon God, the Father. But in the word of God, God makes eternal covenants with people, based upon their faith. If it always has been- then what is the need for faith? gary says we don't have to show faith. which is convenient for someone who wants all authority under Heaven, for himself- and doesn't want to go out of his comfy box and show faith. (Someone might laugh). So there you go. :) As with anything in the Word- it depends on who you use as your guide. gary says use gary I say use God.
Here is acopy of Diva's post on LP contained in the response I made to her. Diva, your reputation is well known across the Internet for being combative, playing the victim, and having an accusative spirit. Using Jesus Christ for entertainment purposes is wrong, however, I have no intention of partaking in your games. I am going to provide a copy of a post you made denying the eternity of Jesus Christ, which is the spirit of anti-christ. In case anyone doesn't understand everyone with the spirit of anti- christ is opposed to Christ. I do not intend to post to you again. The post follows: "#1520. To: MrSpock (#1516) To answer to your answer two-there was no trinity before the birth of Jesus. Book of Hebrews. There was prophecy of the Trinity. Prophecy of Jesus. There was God and Heaven. Jesus, the son, completes and shows us the Trinity. Jesus was a new covenant. A new agreement. He was a new way. He told us to forget religion and all of the blood sacrifices and odd ceremonies, and all of the things that people did, like removing their shoes on a specific day- as a way of getting to God- and just start being with him. That is why Jesus didn't like religion- because it keeps people FROM God and from Heaven. And God wants all of us- not a few of us. He is head over heels about his people. He told us to have a personal relationship with him and forget dos and don't - and cans and can't. The 10 commandments are his laws, yes and they are all ways to show that we love each other.. that and Obey him- and what he wants us to obey is simple: Love others as I have loved you. That's it! It is all about love. Not fear, not sacrifice, not rules, OR even memorizing Scripture. No ceremony or membership needed. People, before Jesus was born, had no way of getting to the Father, themselves, and getting into Heaven. They were imperfect sinners then too- and according to the plan at the time, which was just "be perfect"- no one had God in their lives. They had fear and darkness. SO- Jesus laid down his life- to pay the sin debt of the world- once and for all the final sacrificial lamb. He shed his blood so that everyone who heard the story would understand, NO MORE BLOOD is needed. It is done- he said- and then he committed his spirit to the Father.That is why we do not have to be perfect today- to know Jesus. He is the way and the truth and the light. The Father is our Father, (who is Jesus), The Son- born to flesh is Jesus (who is God) and the Holy Spirit (Is God-Jesus)who dies and rose again after three days, like he promised- and is alive. The trinity is one person in three experiences. Heaven, Earth, and Spirit.
gary says I am a witch and evil, because Jesus is everlasting and has always been. I said show me where Jesus was walking around on the Earth in that body in the OT. gary says I am an evil witch. So now he is bringing the old discussion from LP, last year, back up here. He followed me around LP for a year- calling me names and saying I was born of Hell.. and now he is here to do the same thing- with his friend, red the lap dog. So out out of the blue - he posts something that seems out of place- but I know what he is referring to- and there is my answer, I never said you are a witch or evil. I reported you had previously stated on LF you had previously been into witchcraft. I said your doctrines are evil. He says in the Bible the word eternal/everlasting means without beginning or end. Eternal means without beginning or end. I used the term in referring to God. That is not what that passage says- is it? Why would God make new covenants that are eternal/everlasting... if they have always been? When God makes a covenant with you, and nay believer- and it will be an eternal promise. Does that mean the covenant has always been, and is without beginning? No. The character of God is that He is our loving Father in Heaven. He creates things for us- for our own good. God's covenant with man was in His mind before the foundation of the world. In His mind it is eternal, but from man's perspective everlasting. gary's idea is that there is one *man made* way to get to God- to hear God - and one way God does it- and HE (gary) holds the keys to all understanding of God. There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ, by grace through faith in His shed blood. Except gary doesn't. God wants a relationship - and that may look different in other people- and we are told NOT to judge and that we will not understand God's ways. I judge a person's doctrine, NOT their heart. And yes, I certainly believe in having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If you beleive gary's definition- then you are just a number bub- and there is no need for surrender, there is no need for relationship. There is no need for personal revelation. God would not answer personal prayer- because everything would have already been decided and written in stone about who you are and your life. Jut follow behind and do what you are told , by man. Oh and give man all authority to your power too. It is a pretty convent definition for a man who refuses to acknowledge the Holy Spirit and the idea of total surrender and dependence upon God, the Father. I certainly believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. As I have stated to divia several times Revelation is closed. Christians receive illumination or enlightenment from the Holy Spirit, but not new revelations.. She likes to subject the Word of God to her revelations. But in the word of God, God makes eternal covenants with people, based upon their faith. If it always has been- then what is the need for faith? gary says we don't have to show faith. which is convenient for someone who wants all authority under Heaven, for himself- and doesn't want to go out of his comfy box and show faith. (Someone might laugh). So there you go. :) As with anything in the Word- it depends on who you use as your guide. gary says use gary I say use God. That is a lie from beginning to end. I have always insisted on faith in Jesus Christ as the only way. I do believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers. That said, I do not witness to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit always witnesses to Christ, NOT HIMSELF.
You are a cyber stalker gary. Please, God, do not allow other posters to think gary represents Jesus. OY! Jesus is the new covenant. New. As in new. Of course you will have to read the Book of Hebrews, and see if from the POV of someone who understand God's character. :) Praying for you gary.
Here is another revelation that was given to me- Praise God and thank you Holy Spirit- Jesus is an answer to a prayer from David. David was a sinful man- who showed incredible obedience to the God- and foresaw Jesus, and walked in faith every day of his life- AND even made many greivious errors- and yet- David is protected by the eternal covenant that God made with David. But the covenant was based on the faith David walked in daily. Like when he killed the Giant. Anyway- your teachings do not allow for the power of prayer, faith or the Holy Spirit and that is why what you teach, gary is wrong and dry and sends people away from Jesus. Jesus always existed- but it took a prayer from the beloved child of God, David- to put the human form of Jesus into action. Psalm 51 The Holy Spirit is a powerful force in the world. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit all of the time, and so it is no wonder you just don't get it. In the word it says the only unforgivable sin is blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:29 You have so much to learn,gary. God be with you.
I hardly ever watch TV. I am watching this show starring Sister someone. I was led to watch it, and here I sit learning about Saint Catherine of Sienna- whose story is almost exactly mine. Here is a Catholic Nun- talking about the Holy Spirit, saying the EXACT same things I have posted about the Holy Spirit. I can't shake off how very sick and depraved you are- but I forgive you gary. You are as lost and broken as anyone else. I just pray that you have not damaged too many people. I fear that you have had contact with children- and I pray that if that is the case, they will forget any interactions with you. I pray that the hearts of the faithful that have been open to you, are filled with the Holy Spirit and with comfort.
We certainly are to judge. We just aren't to judge as hypocrites. You are judging Gary an awful lot. And I would say not the right way. That is my opinion.
Children of God are told to have discernment and we are told to judge what is right, actually. gary travels these sites as a minister- and harasses people who don't agree with him. I was responding to him cutting and pasting my posts from LP- from last year- which he has obviously indexed and stored away. Who does that? Cyber stalkers do that. He posted my comments from here- over there. He needs to be judged. He is very sick and uses the internet to harass people, not just me. I have been dealing with it for over a year now. He is not only wrong, but he shames people for sharing their testimony in an effort to shut them up. He followed me to this thread, in an attempt to try to shame me. gary needs to be judged. He calls me an evil witch , and that my ideas are born in Hell, all of the time. he gossips by email to get others to help me harass me. Trust me, gary is no saint. John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” 1 Cor 2:15 (KJV) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things Luke 12:57 (NIV) "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? 1 Thes 5:21 (Phi) "By all means use your judgment, and hold on to whatever is good. I am judging him exactly the right way. I have been nice about this stuff for over a year and prayed for him hundreds of times.
Stalkers? I always get amused when people who participate in forums say that. He is just interested in the Bible. So he debates it on the internet. That isn't stalking.
This is the first mention of Gary on this thread. You mentioned him. Post 83 For example, gary and I do not have faith in the same things at all. His brand of christian and mine are not the same. I look at gary's behavior and I do not see Jesus. THAT is all I need to know. I don't think the source of his religion and my faith is the same, as a matter of fact.
What evil and vile comments diva. I posted that vid because it has a catchy tune. Your posts are sounding more like the biker bar posters on LP. Read you post again and tell me if you see the Love of Christ.
PFT- you just aren't thinking. You are going to encourage people to bring their personal vendettas from other sites over here and get other posters to come over and bully people? Ok- it's your site- whatevah. Good luck with that.
:) that is because there is more going on than you see or are trying to understand. Obviously.
Stone, please see post #336. I think this is a violation of your posting rules. I would also consider it a defamation of character.
Ding..Ding..Ding..give the sista a cigar! That's right rev. mutha, it is his site, libertysflame is not your personal pulpit..
("Every fetus that DOESN'T go on welfare in 18 years because he/she was aborted yesterday... brings a smile to my face today" ~ GrandIsland - LibertyPost)
lol- is it yours? You have been trying to run me off since before I started posting. Would you prefer if this site was you and stone- and no one else? Hey that's cool. Just tell other posters what the deal is, because Stone invited me here- and then sent me a note and invited to start posting again, after being gone for a long time. Is this your site, laine? Do you have the final say on posters and what they post? If you are - fine- cool... just be up front about it. What are the rules around here? Who is in charge? If carrying vendettas around from all over the web is the game here- just say it. I never post to you- and you are hot and bothered over every single thing I post. What is up with that? Who are you? When did I pick you up?
So you would prefer that everyone is passive aggressive and posts little youtube videos? Sorry, I can't play that way. That is for little girls, not me. Red- you fall a little more, from a position of grace, with every post. I have spent time wondering what God is teaching me, about the amount of time I have prayed over you- your sick child and your family- and how you are a backstabbing, nasty person. And why? Why all this harassment from you? What it comes down to is, because I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and that upsets gary. And you are very attached to gary. You were all over me at LP- and You came here to get into it with me- and now you cry to the mod because I said something that touched your fragile ego? HOW would what I posted be a violation of anything? Why do you believe you have special privileges? Well, what I am going to take away from it is that we are not supposed to hold grudges- and we are to forgive and love each other. So- fine. :) I was right all along. Your behavior is far from Godly. Praying for you red. God be with you. And if you are a homosexual with gary- I pray God will remedy that situation for the good of His kingdom and according to His will for your lives.
Hey diva making false accusations IS slander. I am a married man with children and now by slandering me, you drag my family into this exchange. I will make the necessary arrangements to address your slander towards me.
Just going to be honest. You slandering Gary and Redge says more about you then them.
There is a definition of slander you know. :) It seems to me that they may be gay lovers, since red follows gary's directions and gets very upset at anyone who disagrees with gary. What would you call it? I am just being honest about what I have seen over a year's long period of thread stalking. Just sayin'. Is that allowed around here? Drawing conclusions from what I see in their behavior.
Drawing a conclusion based on your behavior is not malicious. I really have come to the conclusion that you and gary are gay lovers, based on your behavior. I had a feeling you would be threatening legal action. Please go right ahead and contact the authorities, red. Find out what they think of that post of mine and how it is slanderous- but remember they will have to look over all the posts you have made to me. That should be interesting, no? You followed me here for a reason- and now you want to cry? You have said much more outrageous things about me, and you follow me around from site to site. Call a lawyer. Go ahead. Noting else you do is Godly. Why not?
Diva, I won't. I forgive you.
No one enters suit justly; no one goes to law honestly; they rely on empty pleas, they speak lies, they conceive mischief and give birth to iniquity :) That is the smart thing to say, since as you prolly found out, a lawyer would laugh at you. Slander has a definition. The law is there not for someone who insults your ego on a message board. Also bear in mind what the bible says about calling the faithful into needless arguments with the law. Not a wise thing to do. I hope you have learned a lesson. Godly people do not threaten lawsuits, esp over something so very childish. The Bible is an excellent guide for us to use in all matters. It is true. I pray you will seek the word of God today for better understanding. Hopefully this will be your last post to me- for real this time.
Also bear in mind what the bible says about calling the faithful into needless arguments with the law. Not a wise thing to do. I hope you have learned a lesson. Godly people do not threaten lawsuits, esp over something so very childish. The Bible is an excellent guide for us to use in all matters. It is true. I pray you will seek the word of God today for better understanding. Hopefully this will be your last post to me- for real this time. Diva, forgiving you for the slander you put forth, is not capitulating to your theology. The post above does not show grace. I forgive you even though you exhibited no sorrow or remorse. Perhaps you should examine that. I have never personally attacked you. I have debated your doctrine. You on the other hand when faced with doctrinal debate chose to make it personal by defaming character. I never did that to you. If you choose not to defend your theological or doctrinal stance, then say so. So please exit gracefully, I forgive you for falsely calling me a sexual deviant. I forgive you for insulting my family. You are forgiven, so please exit gracefully. I highly recommend you put me on bozo.
You attacked him first: But you knew that.
Oh God red- you are a very sick man. I have no sorrow, for what I said, because I do believe that you and gary are gay lovers and you have followed me here to avenge your lover, who disagrees with me- you are correct, I am not sorry for having discernment. Your behavior, over the past year, has led me to beleive that. I am sorry that you do not understand the character of God, and that you insist on spitting at the Bible. God is clear and I understand that- and you seem bewildered by that. You attack my theology- and yet- you have not read the Bible!! What in the world is all of this stalking and gossip about with other posters? Gay love could be it- it would make sense. OR you are the same posters? It is very clear how God would judge you calling a lawyer. So- Call a lawyer. A Gold person would make the point that threatening lawsuits against people is not part of God's plan, and in fact address that in the word- to help us shape our behavior and become more like Him. You have stalked me over here from LP- because you saw that your harassment of me at LP got me to leave the site for awhile- and you want to try to make me leave this site. So you signed up - and jumped right in. You have no reason to beleive that you have been gifted with grace red. You are threatening a person who prayed for you and your family. You are very ill. I pray for you. You think a lawyer is going to fix what is broken in your life? Pft... Turn to God. A lawyer is going to tell you to pay up- and then laugh at you. No court would take your case! Please.
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#328. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#324)
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they are denying Jesus is God, and therefore a heretic.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
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#334. To: GarySpFC (#333)
“One who refuses truth cannot be refuted or healed with truth or its prophet, reason. There is in him no sense of obligation, even to truth, and therefore no obligation to anything.” --Peter Kreeft
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#337. To: GarySpFC (#333)
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-Peter Kreeft?
#338. To: GarySpFC (#329)
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Ancient Hebrew Word Meanings Eternity ~ olam
#339. To: diva betsy ross (#338)
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#341. To: diva betsy ross (#338)
Your definitions are wrong and out of syncs with the character of God.
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#343. To: A K A Stone (#341)
He told us that to get to the Father- go thru him. Jesus IS the Trinity. There is no other Trinity and never will be.
Answer is the Trinity exists in Jesus- where ever he is and where ever he exists. diva betsy ross posted on 2011-04-23 10:53:53 ET Reply Trace" =
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#348. To: GarySpFC, Diva Betsy Ross (#344)
and we are told NOT to judge
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#350. To: diva betsy ross (#349)
Who does that? Cyber stalkers do that
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Ok- it's your site- whatevah. Good luck with that.
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#359. To: diva betsy ross, A K A Stone, AKA Stone (#358)
And if you are a homosexual
#360. To: diva betsy ross (#336)
red- Are you and gary gay lovers? That would explain many unanswered questions, like why you rush in to defend him when he gets his backside handed to him for being evil.
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#363. To: diva betsy ross (#362)
I had a feeling you would be threatening legal action.
#364. To: redleghunter (#363)
Isaiah 59:4 ESV / 18 helpful votes
#365. To: diva betsy ross (#364)
:) That is the smart thing to say, since as you prolly found out, a lawyer would laugh at you. Slander has a definition. The law is there not for someone who insults your ego on a message board.
#366. To: diva betsy ross, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#362)
You followed me here for a reason- and now you want to cry? You have said much more outrageous things about me, and you follow me around from site to site.
What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read? (#233) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2012-02-28 16:51:01 From: diva betsy ross To: redleghunter, buckeroo
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