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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read? Source: LF URL Source: http://hereandnow Published: Feb 18, 2012 Author: buckeroo Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo Keywords: None Views: 289477 Comments: 449 Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 288. #168. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc (#0) Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Coming in late to this thread. However, on subject below is a good summary I can across in MacDonald's Bible Commentary: English is blessed with many (perhaps too many!) translations. These fall into four general types: 1. Very literal The "New" (in 1871) Translation of J. N. Darby and the English Revised Version (1881) and its U.S. variant, the American Standard Version (1901) are extremely literal. 2. Complete Equivalence Versions that are quite literal and follow the Hebrew or Greek closely when English allows it, yet still permit a freer translation where good style and idiom demand it, include the KJV, and the RSV, the NASB, and the NKJV. 3.Dynamic Equivalence This type of translation is freer than the complete equivalence type, and sometimes resorts to paraphrase, a valid technique as long as the reader is made aware of it. The Moffatt Translation, NEB, NIV, and the Jerusalem Bible all fall into this category. 4. Paraphrase. A paraphrase seeks to transmit the text thought by thought, yet it often takes great liberties in adding material. Since it is far removed from the original text in wording there is always the danger of too much interpretation. The Living Bible, e.g.,(MacDonald) I am sure others will point out other English language versions and where they fit. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   12:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #174. To: redleghunter (#168) Coming in late to this thread. However, on subject below is a good summary I can across in MacDonald's Bible Commentary: Thanks, red. Welcome to LF. You jumped right in and provided some ideas as a resource. Still what Bible do YOU read? buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   13:29:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #177. To: buckeroo (#174) Still what Bible do YOU read? Mostly the NKJV and NASB. I always have the KJV handy and used it for years. With APP tools now you can quickly jump from one version to another. My primary means for Bible Study and reading is the YouVersion Bible App. I also take a gander at LOGOS and have several Bibles and Bible commentaries loaded on Kindle. So no more lugging about a ruck sack full of Bibles and commentaries when I am on the move...I now use my Kindle and iPhone. The Kindle is great given you can read it on desktop and on an iPad or iPhone as well. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   16:52:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #180. To: redleghunter (#177) The Kindle is great I agree, it is an expensive tool. What do you think of hondo68's post #1? He starts off the thread with an excellent comparison between two Bible versions and and analysis. Do you think that Paul's Romans 13:1-7 letter is about being subservient to government? buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   18:13:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #200. To: buckeroo, hondo68, GarySpFc (#180) What do you think of hondo68's post #1? He starts off the thread with an excellent comparison between two Bible versions and and analysis. Do you think that Paul's Romans 13:1-7 letter is about being subservient to government? In the sense of blindly following the evil intentions or actions of a government, the answer is no (e.g. abortion). In the sense of being law abiding, paying taxes etc. yes. That is why it is important to look at the ENTIRE revelation of the Bible for "what do we do" when government is clearly forcing evil on its citizenry. We know that Christians were persecuted and killed for being Christians under Rome. Rome would say "do not assemble" so the body of believers went underground. They did not form a revolution and fight Rome. When the emperor said bow down and worship me, Christians did not obey, they were executed. I think the best OT example we have is in Daniel. I am sure you know well the account of the faithful three Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. They were "outed" for not bowing to the image of the king. This was their response from Daniel chapter 3: 14 Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying to them, "Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the gold image which I have set up? 15 Now if you are ready at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, and you fall down and worship the image which I have made, good! But if you do not worship, you shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. And who is the god who will deliver you from my hands?" 16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17 If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up."(NKJV) So to the point of bowing to an image of gold, going against what we know from the Word of God is wrong, we are not to obey. When it comes to tax time, yep give Caesar his due. The Blessings of being an American is our Constitution. Our Constitution points to our Declaration of Independence (which is the philosophical foundation of our nation), which points to the Reformation and the Reformation points to the Bible. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   21:37:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #211. To: redleghunter (#200) (Edited) When it comes to tax time, yep give Caesar his due. This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government? And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now. buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-27   20:52:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #232. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc, AKA Stoner (#211) This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government? And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now. The first question is answered that they went to Bethlehem to register for the census: Luke chapter 2: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. 6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.(NKJV) Then after Mary's purification was complete IAW Mosaic Law, the family went to Jerusalem: 22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord"), 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, "A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons." 25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. (NKJV) Then we know of the visit of the wise men from the East. They inquired to Herod of the whereabouts of the King of the Jews. The account is in Matthew chapter 2: 1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet: 6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler Who will shepherd My people Israel.' " 7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also." 9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way. (NKJV) Then, 13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him." 14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son." 16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more." 19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20 saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child's life are dead." 21 Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea instead of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. And being warned by God in a dream, he turned aside into the region of Galilee. 23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene." (NKJV) In both the Luke and Matthew account Jesus goes back to Nazareth. I hope this answers your questions: 1. was the claim of tax evasion. Joseph took Mary with Child to Bethlehem to register for the census. The text does not tell us if he paid the tax up front or later, but gives no indication they avoided the tax. 2. Why did they go back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? Luke tells us Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth, so it makes sense why they went back there. We also have to take into account that Matthew's audience was Jewish and Luke's Gentile. Anything further would be an opinion or speculation. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-28   16:24:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #245. To: redleghunter (#232) Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation. I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example? buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-28   19:48:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #252. To: buckeroo (#245) I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example? What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions? The DSS have confirmed the OT Scriptures. There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-28   23:18:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #288. To: redleghunter (#252) You created an excellent dialog/understanding in post #232 but strangely concluded: Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation. In post #245 I indicated some confusion and asked: I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example? And then you state, in post#252: What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions? The relevence is exceptionally important to me. Especially, from two different sources, 1) Flavius Josephus and 2) the Dead Sea Scrolls because there seems to be immense, colorboating documented data about the Essenes which reflects upon John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth in the way they taught prophesies and lived a strict code of ascetic Judaism. You go onto state in post#252: There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions in [the DSS with respect to the OT]. That is NOT true as the the DSS shows how the Essenes lived in Qumran (desert and farmland or rural communities) and in the various populated cities (urban communities) prior to Jesus of Nazareth and upto the destruction of Jerusalem, circa ~70 CE . Where did you come by that data? buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-29   22:08:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 288. #292. To: buckeroo (#288) You created an excellent dialog/understanding in post #232 but strangely concluded: Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation. In post #245 I indicated some confusion and asked: I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example? And then you state, in post#252: What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions? The relevence is exceptionally important to me. Especially, from two different sources, 1) Flavius Josephus and 2) the Dead Sea Scrolls because there seems to be immense, colorboating documented data about the Essenes which reflects upon John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth in the way they taught prophesies and lived a strict code of ascetic Judaism. You go onto state in post#252: There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions in [the DSS with respect to the OT]. That is NOT true as the the DSS shows how the Essenes lived in Qumran (desert and farmland or rural communities) and in the various populated cities (urban communities) prior to Jesus of Nazareth and upto the destruction of Jerusalem, circa ~70 CE . Where did you come by that data? Thanks for responding Buckeroo. The ending in 232 was an indication there is a lot of speculation about the years of Jesus not recorded in the Gospels. I stick to the Bible. You make a connection to John the Baptist and Jesus Christ and the Essenes. That connection is speculation. The DSS don't tell us John the Baptist or Jesus Christ were affiliated with the Essenes. There is nothing indicated in the Bible to come to that conclusion. What I meant by revelation is God's revelation to man through the OT and NT, the Bible. So please elaborate on the DSS connection you see. Thanks Thanks redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-01 00:13:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 288. 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