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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read? Source: LF URL Source: http://hereandnow Published: Feb 18, 2012 Author: buckeroo Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo Keywords: None Views: 289497 Comments: 449 Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 267. #168. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc (#0) Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Coming in late to this thread. However, on subject below is a good summary I can across in MacDonald's Bible Commentary: English is blessed with many (perhaps too many!) translations. These fall into four general types: 1. Very literal The "New" (in 1871) Translation of J. N. Darby and the English Revised Version (1881) and its U.S. variant, the American Standard Version (1901) are extremely literal. 2. Complete Equivalence Versions that are quite literal and follow the Hebrew or Greek closely when English allows it, yet still permit a freer translation where good style and idiom demand it, include the KJV, and the RSV, the NASB, and the NKJV. 3.Dynamic Equivalence This type of translation is freer than the complete equivalence type, and sometimes resorts to paraphrase, a valid technique as long as the reader is made aware of it. The Moffatt Translation, NEB, NIV, and the Jerusalem Bible all fall into this category. 4. Paraphrase. A paraphrase seeks to transmit the text thought by thought, yet it often takes great liberties in adding material. Since it is far removed from the original text in wording there is always the danger of too much interpretation. The Living Bible, e.g.,(MacDonald) I am sure others will point out other English language versions and where they fit. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   12:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #174. To: redleghunter (#168) Coming in late to this thread. However, on subject below is a good summary I can across in MacDonald's Bible Commentary: Thanks, red. Welcome to LF. You jumped right in and provided some ideas as a resource. Still what Bible do YOU read? buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   13:29:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #177. To: buckeroo (#174) Still what Bible do YOU read? Mostly the NKJV and NASB. I always have the KJV handy and used it for years. With APP tools now you can quickly jump from one version to another. My primary means for Bible Study and reading is the YouVersion Bible App. I also take a gander at LOGOS and have several Bibles and Bible commentaries loaded on Kindle. So no more lugging about a ruck sack full of Bibles and commentaries when I am on the move...I now use my Kindle and iPhone. The Kindle is great given you can read it on desktop and on an iPad or iPhone as well. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   16:52:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #180. To: redleghunter (#177) The Kindle is great I agree, it is an expensive tool. What do you think of hondo68's post #1? He starts off the thread with an excellent comparison between two Bible versions and and analysis. Do you think that Paul's Romans 13:1-7 letter is about being subservient to government? buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   18:13:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #200. To: buckeroo, hondo68, GarySpFc (#180) What do you think of hondo68's post #1? He starts off the thread with an excellent comparison between two Bible versions and and analysis. Do you think that Paul's Romans 13:1-7 letter is about being subservient to government? In the sense of blindly following the evil intentions or actions of a government, the answer is no (e.g. abortion). In the sense of being law abiding, paying taxes etc. yes. That is why it is important to look at the ENTIRE revelation of the Bible for "what do we do" when government is clearly forcing evil on its citizenry. We know that Christians were persecuted and killed for being Christians under Rome. Rome would say "do not assemble" so the body of believers went underground. They did not form a revolution and fight Rome. When the emperor said bow down and worship me, Christians did not obey, they were executed. I think the best OT example we have is in Daniel. I am sure you know well the account of the faithful three Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. They were "outed" for not bowing to the image of the king. This was their response from Daniel chapter 3: 14 Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying to them, "Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the gold image which I have set up? 15 Now if you are ready at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, and you fall down and worship the image which I have made, good! But if you do not worship, you shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. And who is the god who will deliver you from my hands?" 16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17 If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up."(NKJV) So to the point of bowing to an image of gold, going against what we know from the Word of God is wrong, we are not to obey. When it comes to tax time, yep give Caesar his due. The Blessings of being an American is our Constitution. Our Constitution points to our Declaration of Independence (which is the philosophical foundation of our nation), which points to the Reformation and the Reformation points to the Bible. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   21:37:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #211. To: redleghunter (#200) (Edited) When it comes to tax time, yep give Caesar his due. This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government? And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now. buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-27   20:52:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #232. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc, AKA Stoner (#211) This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government? And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now. The first question is answered that they went to Bethlehem to register for the census: Luke chapter 2: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. 6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.(NKJV) Then after Mary's purification was complete IAW Mosaic Law, the family went to Jerusalem: 22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord"), 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, "A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons." 25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. (NKJV) Then we know of the visit of the wise men from the East. They inquired to Herod of the whereabouts of the King of the Jews. The account is in Matthew chapter 2: 1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet: 6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler Who will shepherd My people Israel.' " 7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also." 9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way. (NKJV) Then, 13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him." 14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son." 16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more." 19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20 saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child's life are dead." 21 Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea instead of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. And being warned by God in a dream, he turned aside into the region of Galilee. 23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene." (NKJV) In both the Luke and Matthew account Jesus goes back to Nazareth. I hope this answers your questions: 1. was the claim of tax evasion. Joseph took Mary with Child to Bethlehem to register for the census. The text does not tell us if he paid the tax up front or later, but gives no indication they avoided the tax. 2. Why did they go back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? Luke tells us Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth, so it makes sense why they went back there. We also have to take into account that Matthew's audience was Jewish and Luke's Gentile. Anything further would be an opinion or speculation. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-28   16:24:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #233. To: redleghunter, buckeroo (#232) (Edited) red- you have such an immature understanding. You really should be careful who you shame into the area of " opinion and speculation". buck's answers are in the book of Leviticus. There are very specific rules for atonement and sacrifice. There is a very, very good reason for the OT. Anyone who really understands the nature of God would send someone there as a starting point, to understand the movement of baby Jesus. diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-28   16:51:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #235. To: diva betsy ross (#233) red- you have such an immature understanding. You really should be careful who you shame into the area of " opinion and speculation". buck's answers are in the book of Leviticus. There are very specific rules for atonement and sacrifice. There is a very, very good reason for the OT. Anyone who really understands the nature of God would send someone there as a starting point, to understand the movement of baby Jesus. Hi diva, you obviously did not read buck's questions. He asked based on the NT Gospel accounts. So if you want to respond with a better answer, do so. I would love to see it. And on the issue of opinion and speculation, I made that statement given the Gospels do not offer a complete hour by hour history of Jesus Christ with regards to his birth and early years. So please either offer a rebuttal or response. Again I would love to hear it. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-28   18:12:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #237. To: redleghunter (#235) red- everything that happens in the Old Testament points to the New Testament- and vice versa. The gospel of Jesus is about the fulfillment of the OT. How can you separate the two? Want to understand the NT- Gospels? Look in the OT. It is all laid out there very simply and easy to find. It is obvious that you have not studied Leviticus, or you would be embarrassed that you can not speak to my point, other than trying to get me to show you. It would be so much rewarding, in your faith, if you were to think and study for yourself. Go and read Leviticus- and ask yourself- WHY would Mary and Joesph move baby Jesus in the NT? I can tell you, of course- but that is *yawn* boring- and to me it is so obvious that it hurts my brain to point it out. The point is that before you go mocking and shaming others, you may want to check your facts. Fact is- you don't know the character of God and can not speak to buck's questions. diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-28   18:46:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #243. To: diva betsy ross (#237) red- everything that happens in the Old Testament points to the New Testament- and vice versa. The gospel of Jesus is about the fulfillment of the OT. How can you separate the two? Want to understand the NT- Gospels? Look in the OT. It is all laid out there very simply and easy to find. It is obvious that you have not studied Leviticus, or you would be embarrassed that you can not speak to my point, other than trying to get me to show you. It would be so much rewarding, in your faith, if you were to think and study for yourself. Go and read Leviticus- and ask yourself- WHY would Mary and Joesph move baby Jesus in the NT? I can tell you, of course- but that is *yawn* boring- and to me it is so obvious that it hurts my brain to point it out. The point is that before you go mocking and shaming others, you may want to check your facts. Fact is- you don't know the character of God and can not speak to buck's questions. Hey diva. All those lines and not an answer. Leviticus has nothing to do with Buck's questions. Joseph went to Bethlehem with Mary for the reasons Dr. Luke gives us: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. (NKJV) It was a Roman decree and had nothing to do with Leviticus. So again, if you have something to share, please do so, but I know you won't. Perhaps you could offer us some insights into the gnostic texts you tout often. And who is 'shaming' and 'mocking' others. Buck asked a question, I respectfully answered the question and told him I would not speculate on anything that is not revealed in Scriptures. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-28   19:38:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #246. To: redleghunter (#243) sigh- red, your faith is so shallow. I could accept that from someone who doesn't profess to be the expert you claim to be. You think that Jesus had to flee because of the Romans? You think the Romans were in charge? There is so much rich and complex symbolism in the Bible- that will lead to great faith and conviction, if you would take some time and figure these things out. God has sovereignty, red. He always has- he always will. God came before the Romans. You do not even go and look? You do not even humble yourself enough to take a look? That is so sad. Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up. Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan. Go and read it in your favorite translation. The main idea is the same in each and every translation. God is large and in charge. Always. From the beginning to the end. diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-28   20:57:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #253. To: diva betsy ross (#246) sigh- red, your faith is so shallow. I could accept that from someone who doesn't profess to be the expert you claim to be. You think that Jesus had to flee because of the Romans? You think the Romans were in charge? There is so much rich and complex symbolism in the Bible- that will lead to great faith and conviction, if you would take some time and figure these things out. God has sovereignty, red. He always has- he always will. God came before the Romans. You do not even go and look? You do not even humble yourself enough to take a look? That is so sad. Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up. Diva I am truly concerned about you. I never claimed to be an expert. I offered a response to a poster and you either did not understand his questions or are totally confused. Because you are so out in left field, you should read the original post and then retract the nonsense you posted above. First I NEVER claimed Jesus was fleeing the Romans (Mary was carrying Jesus so that would make no sense). I stated what is in the Gospel of Luke, that Mary and Joseph went to register, a Roman ordered registration, and that is why they departed from Nazareth to Bethlehem. Not my words, but the words recorded in the Gospel of Luke. Second, the Romans were the earthly political power, the empire of the times. That too is in the Gospels and the remainder of the NT especially Acts. That is clear and plain. No one is claiming Rome had rule over God. That is your machination not mine. So either address the questions head on or don't respond. "Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up." 2 "Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: 'Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name. 4 And if the people of the land should in any way hide their eyes from the man, when he gives some of his descendants to Molech, and they do not kill him, 5 then I will set My face against that man and against his family; and I will cut him off from his people, and all who prostitute themselves with him to commit harlotry with Molech.(NKJV) Diva Leviticus 20:2-5 has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of Joseph and Mary going to Bethlehem. Molech has nothing to do with the Roman census, nor does it have anything to do with the flight to Egypt. Molech is a Amorite pagan god. Again absolutely no relevance. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-28   23:35:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #267. To: redleghunter (#253) Hehe- this is an excellent lesson for this thread- and for why it is important to have an open mind, to know the character of God- and not get addicted to one translation. I said- molek- also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, or Moloc Semitic root meaning "king". You should be embarrassed, but you so much need to soothe your ego, and you refuse to learn. diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-29   11:50:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 267. #270. To: diva betsy ross (#267) Hehe- this is an excellent lesson for this thread- and for why it is important to have an open mind, to know the character of God- and not get addicted to one translation. I said- molek- also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, or Moloc Semitic root meaning "king". You should be embarrassed, but you so much need to soothe your ego, and you refuse to learn. First, you should realize you are teaching no one here. You are just adding to confusion. And again you miss the point. The account of the census has nothing to do with Molech and in Leviticus 20, The Lord is clearly telling Israel about the cult of Molech and idolitry. So since you threw out the "root meaning" of a word "king" what does it have to do with the Roman census? If you don't respond I will assume you think there is a linkage between the Birth of Christ and Molech. And I would just add that to the list of strange doctrine you peddle here. redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-29 13:33:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 267. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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