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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#214. To: GarySpFC (#202)
Not at all. Both Jesus and John the Baptist were somehow associated with the Zealots by the geographical area of the Zealots; there continuing conflict between the the Zealots and the Romans from Galilee. From my perspective: it was nothing more than a modern day ruling of class distinction in contemporary political terms to tame the perceived vigilantes by brute force of the ruling class. And I didn't say Jesus or John the Baptist were directly involved with the Zealots; I believe both were involved with the Essenes. In fact, your suggestion is not my point at all. I have data to support that some of Jesus' own disciples were associated with the Zealots and as I said before, Jesus and John the Baptist were guilty by association.
Your thesis was made and dismissed years ago. I'll even provide a book review. BTW, we have a fragment of Mark dated 41 to 50 AD. Jesus and the Zealots. By S. G. F. Brandon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1967. xviii + 413 pp.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
"I AM" I am always impressed with single verses from the Bible that attempt to substantiate a point of view. Here is the REAL STUFF, backed by a youtube movie. Jesus was denied plausible merit BECAUSE of the RULING CLASSES (Pharisees&Sadducees) in Jerusalem. You should take this following movie (which is a reenactment of KJV John 8) into context before discussing a very deep subject concerning existence with the expression of "IAM." I should say, do you want to discuss a philosophical viewpoint?
$7.95. Paper, $2.95. Although the book was copyrighted in 1967, it was not published in the USA until November of 1968 and the paper edition came out in June of 1970. Brandon’s (Professor of Comparative Religion in the University of Manchester) basic thesis is that Jesus and the Jewish Christians were Zealot sympathizers in their nationalistic cause against Rome. However, the Gospel of Mark which he dates after A.D. 71 was an apologetic to convince the Roman Christians that Jesus was not involved with any anti-Roman activity by portraying Jesus as having suffered at the hands of the Jews for being a heretic rather than being crucified by the Romans as a rebel against Rome. The other Gospels also point out Christ as a pacifist who taught His disciples to love their enemies and to reject all armed violence. Unfortunately Brandon has started out with the importance of the Zealots and then tries to fit the Gospel records accordingly. However, his evidence is weak but he explains this by saying that one has to read between the lines of the Gospels’ apologetics. This is circular reasoning. Although one of Christ’s disciples was a Zealot, so was one a tax collector for the Romans and the fact that Jesus associated himself with tax collectors should not be considered too lightly. Brandon’s view that Paul was presenting a gospel to the Gentiles which was in conflict with and a compromise of the Jewish Christian version (e.g. pp. 168ff.) is untenable. Interestingly, Brandon really does not have much discussion of Acts 10–11 where the Jewish Christians introduce the gospel to the Gentiles. Although the book has detailed documentation, its basic thesis is open to many questions. This reviewer thinks that one will gain a distorted picture of the historical background to the life of Christ. H. W. Hoehner
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
I happened to see your post pop up while I am pursuing another post. But, what did Brandon claim within his knowledge-base about the Dead Sea Scrolls? He died in 1971 before much was released to the publick from authoritative analysis and opinion about the various modern day documents that reach back into circa ~200 BCE - 100 CE.
He Claimed to Be God Perhaps the strongest and clearest occasion of such a claim was at the Feast of Dedication when He said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). The neuter form of “one” rules out the meaning that He and the Father were one person. It means that they are in perfect unity in natures and actions, a fact that could only be true if He were as much Deity as the Father. The people who heard this claim understood it that way, for they immediately tried to stone Him for blasphemy because He made Himself out to be God (v. 33). How can anyone say that Jesus of Nazareth Himself never claimed to be God, but rather that His followers made the claim for Him? Most of the passages cited above are from Christ’s own words. Therefore, one must face the only options: either His claims were true or He was a liar. And these claims are for full and complete Deity— nothing missing or removed during His life on earth. 33 “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
Irrespective of ALL your knowledge and education and materials that may support your interpretation about Jesus of Nazareth's parables or metaphors, Jesus NEVER suggested that which you say. Quite simply stated, you don't understand Jesus' saying's at all.
"I AM" is God's name. No philosophical argument can change that.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
You really don't know what you are discussing, and so there is no point in any further discussion with you. Have a nice evening.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
And your singular retort is: No, I am finding you&others moving the standards of discussion for this thread from a Biblical/historical/interpretative analysis and context towards interesting and modern ideas that I haven't seen in a Bible. Let's pull the discussion back towards nothing other than circa ~200BCE to ~200 CE. Of course, modern ideas based on discovery of interpretive authoritative analysis is fully welcomed by me. I enjoyed your use of Brandon, as an example. Such a shame he died before he could see the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And we are ALL God, therefore. Jesus did not jeopardize the Roman Pagan GODS (such as Jupiter) at the time; he did NOT want a violent revolt. He was very passive, except when angered by conventions that go nowhere TO THE REALIZATION OF BEING ONE WITH GOD.
gary- Why are you here? Why are you gossiping about me? Because you are no more than a cyber stalker. You and everyone you email and gossip along with, and invited here to stalk others. It is really quite disgusting. I would warn buck that indeed, you do not know Jesus. Everything you say is bout your own sick ego. No one should listen to you about God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit. You can not point to fruit or blessings or anointment in your life. WHY in the world should anyone with a mind, hear YOU? Your behavior is sick and wrong- that says volumns about your faith. You do Satan's work all of the time, day after day- year after year. You stalk people who speak the goodnews. Jesus rebuke you.
Buck- you might be interested in some of the Gnostic gospels. I have read many of them, and Mary's gospels makes sense to me. They do not all make sense to me personally , but they are very earthy and 200BC. ;)http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm But seriously, you ask some very good questions. I am praying that you keep seeking, and keep looking. Again- I offer you that the most complex understanding will come to you in the form of answered prayer.
Mike- we are all works in progress. We all fall short, we all make mistakes. Anger IS a sin, indeed and something I have had to work VERY hard at handing over to Jesus. I have gotten very good at handing it over and being peaceful- BUT it was a long journey. The thing about Jesus, that is different than your goddess, and I think you will appreciate is that Jesus trains us up in the way we should go. He accepts us and loves us- but does correct us. A follower of Jesus will be a new person... and better... along with time. There is always hope, for a new day, for an honest follower. In this case I would pray that all posters on this site would treat each other with more kindness today- and that there would be no stalking, no harassment and no ill intent toward each other. God loves us all- but He can only offer hope to those of us who are willing to follow Him. On a side note- I understand your goddess. I am offering you that if you would take a very deep look at your goddess- you will find that she is a mirror image of the true Jesus. I offer that to you- not to upset you OR to hurt you, but to show you love. If you looked at the real Jesus, I beleive you would fall in love. :) Have a peaceful day. Be the change you want to see in the world. (We all have to do that) :) Best wishes.
I'm glad your religion give you as much as mine gives me. Thanks for sharing. ;-)
:)ok- ok... I am not going to give up on you. JUST FOR TODAY, I am going to have to stop posting- at just reminding you I don't have a religion. The difference between your religion and my faith in Jesus, is this for example: Yesterday, while in prayer and meditation- I have been shown an area of sin in my life- that is preventing me from getting to where I want to be. So I have to go and work that out and pray and surrender, and allow God to have sovereignty in my life. I consider myself a bond-servant/slave of Jesus. So- that relationship is the process of my personal peace. I beleive I am greatly rewarded for such faith. And it always leads to the most amazing blessings and peace. I know how to cast spells- and I could cast a spell and change things and people- OR I could take my correction, admitting that I need to come into correction, and allow myself to me more like the image of my Lord. That is the pursuit of a follower of Christ. I give those decisions and power to the Lord. I ask for what I want, if it is His will, He will give it to me. The Lord gives me everything I desire- that is good and right for me. AND He has the power to bless me, beyond my imaginings! THAT is a difference as well. In WICCA you are limited by your imagination. God's ways are so much more profound than what we can understand. He blesses us in ways we didn't think possible. The source of peace is different in your religion and in my faith, and someday I hope that you will see that there is a greater source, than your goddess. I hear you speaking from your spirit. :) I understand. Until I have the opportunity to post more at length- I hope you have a very good day. :)
I like you Betsy, but I have posted since 1995, and have no difficulty turning a pitch immediately into scroll by. You shouldn't waste your time giving one if I already said no thanks. I doubt Jesus even existed, frankly, which doesn't increase my interest in reading further about this possible person at this time. But thanks for sharing.
And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now. The first question is answered that they went to Bethlehem to register for the census: Luke chapter 2: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. 6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.(NKJV) Then after Mary's purification was complete IAW Mosaic Law, the family went to Jerusalem: 22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord"), 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, "A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons." 25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. (NKJV) Then we know of the visit of the wise men from the East. They inquired to Herod of the whereabouts of the King of the Jews. The account is in Matthew chapter 2: 1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet: 6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler Who will shepherd My people Israel.' " 7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also." 9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way. (NKJV) Then, 13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him." 14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son." 16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more." 19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20 saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child's life are dead." 21 Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea instead of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. And being warned by God in a dream, he turned aside into the region of Galilee. 23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene." (NKJV) In both the Luke and Matthew account Jesus goes back to Nazareth. I hope this answers your questions: 1. was the claim of tax evasion. Joseph took Mary with Child to Bethlehem to register for the census. The text does not tell us if he paid the tax up front or later, but gives no indication they avoided the tax. 2. Why did they go back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? Luke tells us Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth, so it makes sense why they went back there. We also have to take into account that Matthew's audience was Jewish and Luke's Gentile. Anything further would be an opinion or speculation.
red- you have such an immature understanding. You really should be careful who you shame into the area of " opinion and speculation". buck's answers are in the book of Leviticus. There are very specific rules for atonement and sacrifice. There is a very, very good reason for the OT. Anyone who really understands the nature of God would send someone there as a starting point, to understand the movement of baby Jesus.
buck's answers are in the book of Leviticus. There are very specific rules for atonement and sacrifice. There is a very, very good reason for the OT. Anyone who really understands the nature of God would send someone there as a starting point, to understand the movement of baby Jesus. ("Every fetus that DOESN'T go on welfare in 18 years because he/she was aborted yesterday... brings a smile to my face today" ~ GrandIsland - LibertyPost)
buck's answers are in the book of Leviticus. There are very specific rules for atonement and sacrifice. There is a very, very good reason for the OT. Anyone who really understands the nature of God would send someone there as a starting point, to understand the movement of baby Jesus. Hi diva, you obviously did not read buck's questions. He asked based on the NT Gospel accounts. So if you want to respond with a better answer, do so. I would love to see it. And on the issue of opinion and speculation, I made that statement given the Gospels do not offer a complete hour by hour history of Jesus Christ with regards to his birth and early years. So please either offer a rebuttal or response. Again I would love to hear it.
You should know-buck told me the same thing once... a long time ago. :) Ok then. Peace.
red- everything that happens in the Old Testament points to the New Testament- and vice versa. The gospel of Jesus is about the fulfillment of the OT. How can you separate the two? Want to understand the NT- Gospels? Look in the OT. It is all laid out there very simply and easy to find. It is obvious that you have not studied Leviticus, or you would be embarrassed that you can not speak to my point, other than trying to get me to show you. It would be so much rewarding, in your faith, if you were to think and study for yourself. Go and read Leviticus- and ask yourself- WHY would Mary and Joesph move baby Jesus in the NT? I can tell you, of course- but that is *yawn* boring- and to me it is so obvious that it hurts my brain to point it out. The point is that before you go mocking and shaming others, you may want to check your facts. Fact is- you don't know the character of God and can not speak to buck's questions.
I never have been a Christian. From my earliest age I felt frustrated and trapped when I had my parent or others try to use the minor leverage against me. I was estatic to be freed from the oppression of attempts to try to talk me into that faith. I would mention to that Stone showing demonstrably that someone who professes to be Christian can act like a prick and insufferable bastard also shows me it is just a faith meant to control people and manage societies; not a road to enlightenment. As for Buck, people often return if they were a faith, I never believed. At 57 when I am extremely satisfied with my faith; so don't hold your breath. ;-)
Rebellion is human nature. I completely understand, but Mike at the end of the day- it doesn't matter what anyone believes. It only matters what is the truth. You know the truth is that the world, and people, can not be easily explained in a neat sentence. We are all seeking some truth. I happen to have a unique POV, as I was in WICCA for a short time, and I wanted to shed some light for you. You won't find many Christians who will admit they were in WICCA, so I thought I would say, Hey. You say you don't want that- so ok. But now I have to respond to this: (which I don't mind- but don't get mad at me for doing so--ok?) Don't judge Jesus on the actions of me- or Stone- or anyone else, because we are not Jesus. I 100% agree with you that religion is meant as a way of controlling people ad societies. That is why I do not have a religion. You have a religion. I do not. I wish for you peace and freedom and joy. I am not trying to corner you in. I am trying to show you gate to breath taking freedom for your soul. Oh and I never- ever- ever-ever - ever give up hope on anyone! :)
What is the difference between belief and faith?
That is a very good question. For some people, there is no difference. In my experience, belief is something that I understand to be true, based upon what I have seen. I have belief in what has been proven to me. Faith is me trusting in something I do not see ,and can not prove. I can not prove God to you. I can share my faith in God, and explain to you why I believe in God's word.
Faith is me trusting in something I do not see ,and can not prove. So, you see an obvious difference between objective FACT and faith. Don't you have any objective facts to support your faith?
The gospel of Jesus is about the fulfillment of the OT. How can you separate the two? Want to understand the NT- Gospels? Look in the OT. It is all laid out there very simply and easy to find. It is obvious that you have not studied Leviticus, or you would be embarrassed that you can not speak to my point, other than trying to get me to show you. It would be so much rewarding, in your faith, if you were to think and study for yourself. Go and read Leviticus- and ask yourself- WHY would Mary and Joesph move baby Jesus in the NT? I can tell you, of course- but that is *yawn* boring- and to me it is so obvious that it hurts my brain to point it out. The point is that before you go mocking and shaming others, you may want to check your facts. Fact is- you don't know the character of God and can not speak to buck's questions. Hey diva. All those lines and not an answer. Leviticus has nothing to do with Buck's questions. Joseph went to Bethlehem with Mary for the reasons Dr. Luke gives us: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. (NKJV) It was a Roman decree and had nothing to do with Leviticus. So again, if you have something to share, please do so, but I know you won't. Perhaps you could offer us some insights into the gnostic texts you tout often. And who is 'shaming' and 'mocking' others. Buck asked a question, I respectfully answered the question and told him I would not speculate on anything that is not revealed in Scriptures.
It is a fact that my faith in Jesus is rewarded over a long, long period of time. It is that fact to you? No. Therefore is it objective? No, of course not. What is objective? What can you point to in the world is objective fact? What can be proved 100%? Nothing. You are led astray if you believe science is 100% accurate and trustworthy. You are taking your chances in anything you put your faith in. Man is not ever 100% correct. God is not about human fact, because facts are all manipulations anyway- God is supernatural. Fact is that there are many questions about the universe that can not be explained. Can I give you facts about that? No. I can share my faith and why I see it as fact in my world.
I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example?
sigh- red, your faith is so shallow. I could accept that from someone who doesn't profess to be the expert you claim to be. You think that Jesus had to flee because of the Romans? You think the Romans were in charge? There is so much rich and complex symbolism in the Bible- that will lead to great faith and conviction, if you would take some time and figure these things out. God has sovereignty, red. He always has- he always will. God came before the Romans. You do not even go and look? You do not even humble yourself enough to take a look? That is so sad. Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up. Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan. Go and read it in your favorite translation. The main idea is the same in each and every translation. God is large and in charge. Always. From the beginning to the end.
Explain your position from the Beginning of Time as recorded in Genesis to this day. It might be helpful to document your position within any of your Bible studies.
lol- pft.. that would be a huge undertaking, because I love this stuff, I could go on for days. I will write out a summary sometime soon. :) These are excellent questions and practice for me! I am getting offline for a bit. I love these interactions the last couple of days- and they have been great for my Lent observation- but I am done again. I will take a stab at it when I return. ciao!
oh and red- I figure this stuff out on my own, in prayer and meditation- and then I go and look around in Scriptures- and before I say anything here online, I have spent some time figuring things out... so I know what I am talking about, least anyone read me, looking for some answers. I never, ever answer off the cuff. You don't like it because I am a girl, and you are sexist- and I know far more than you do. You have spent time harassing me, and spitting at my understanding- and that is just shameful. Your understanding is not even elementary. That being said- I just went online to reconfirm something for my own understanding and I found this: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Vayikra/Yeshua/yes hua.html Even tho you have been hateful to me, I pray you will find deep comfort and healing in these ideas. I am not the only one who sees the obvious connections. You should really be careful of presenting yourself as an excerpt, when you ego is leading you by the mouth. I pray for your new understanding.
Without any context from which an informed view can be made.
So why is Judas a bad guy? Wasn't he part of the plan?
What relevance are the DSS to the subject of your questions? The DSS have confirmed the OT Scriptures. There were no new "revelations" or any contradictions.
I could accept that from someone who doesn't profess to be the expert you claim to be. You think that Jesus had to flee because of the Romans? You think the Romans were in charge? There is so much rich and complex symbolism in the Bible- that will lead to great faith and conviction, if you would take some time and figure these things out. God has sovereignty, red. He always has- he always will. God came before the Romans. You do not even go and look? You do not even humble yourself enough to take a look? That is so sad. Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up. Diva I am truly concerned about you. I never claimed to be an expert. I offered a response to a poster and you either did not understand his questions or are totally confused. Because you are so out in left field, you should read the original post and then retract the nonsense you posted above. First I NEVER claimed Jesus was fleeing the Romans (Mary was carrying Jesus so that would make no sense). I stated what is in the Gospel of Luke, that Mary and Joseph went to register, a Roman ordered registration, and that is why they departed from Nazareth to Bethlehem. Not my words, but the words recorded in the Gospel of Luke. Second, the Romans were the earthly political power, the empire of the times. That too is in the Gospels and the remainder of the NT especially Acts. That is clear and plain. No one is claiming Rome had rule over God. That is your machination not mine. So either address the questions head on or don't respond. "Leviticus 20:2-5 read that- and you may wonder- WHO is Molek. Look it up." 2 "Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: 'Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name. 4 And if the people of the land should in any way hide their eyes from the man, when he gives some of his descendants to Molech, and they do not kill him, 5 then I will set My face against that man and against his family; and I will cut him off from his people, and all who prostitute themselves with him to commit harlotry with Molech.(NKJV) Diva Leviticus 20:2-5 has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of Joseph and Mary going to Bethlehem. Molech has nothing to do with the Roman census, nor does it have anything to do with the flight to Egypt. Molech is a Amorite pagan god. Again absolutely no relevance.
Here is a good link that explains our need for a Savior: http://www.campuscrusade.com/fourlawsflash.htm This version gets the point across in cartoon fashion:
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestbuckeroo: Judas of Galilee (circa ~ 6 CE) lead a revolt against the Romans. 2000 Jews died and the rub was Jesus of Nazareth (and John the Baptist) were somehow involved with this Jewish Zealot group, hence: death to John and Jesus and the disciples, many of which were originally John the Baptist's disciples.
GarySpFC: Firstly, that is total nonsense. John the Baptist and Jesus were 10 years old at most when Judas the Zealot lead his rebellion against Rome in 6 AD.Secondly, the Zealot cause of rebellion was in total conflict with Christ's non-violent and submission to ruling authorities (Rome) preaching. Sorry, but your theory is full of holes.
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John 8:58, 59 I AM: Jesus was not just claiming to have lived before Abraham; He was claiming eternal existence. He was claiming to be God Himself (see Ex.3:14). This time the Jewish leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be God, so they took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy (see Lev. 24:16).
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Jesus and the Zealots. By S. G. F. Brandon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1967. xviii + 413 pp.
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He [Jesus] Claimed to Be God
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Here is the REAL STUFF, backed by a youtube movie. Jesus was denied plausible merit BECAUSE of the RULING CLASSES (Pharisees&Sadducees) in Jerusalem. You should take this following movie (which is a reenactment of KJV John 8) into context before discussing a very deep subject concerning existence with the expression of "IAM." I should say, do you want to discuss a philosophical viewpoint?
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buckeroo: And, what did you think about the historical perspective from Flavius Josephus that was posted on #165? Isn't it remarckable that the founder of the Zealots was also from Galilee? That they formed for active and hostile assault against the Romans and often incited riotous rebellion amongst the Jews, the Pharisees and Sadducee?
GarySpFC: And John Brown was from Kansas, and i also deplore slavery, but our methods and beliefs are very different. You are barking up the wrong tree.
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"I AM" is God's name.
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Have a nice evening.
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#232. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc, AKA Stoner (#211)
This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government?
#233. To: redleghunter, buckeroo (#232)
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#234. To: diva betsy ross (#233)
red- you have such an immature understanding. You really should be careful who you shame into the area of " opinion and speculation".
#235. To: diva betsy ross (#233)
red- you have such an immature understanding. You really should be careful who you shame into the area of " opinion and speculation".
#236. To: Ferret Mike (#231)
#237. To: redleghunter (#235)
#238. To: diva betsy ross (#236)
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#239. To: Ferret Mike (#238)
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#240. To: diva betsy ross (#239)
it doesn't matter what anyone believes
#241. To: buckeroo (#240)
#242. To: diva betsy ross (#241)
In my experience, belief is something that I understand to be true, based upon what I have seen. I have belief in what has been proven to me.
#243. To: diva betsy ross (#237)
red- everything that happens in the Old Testament points to the New Testament- and vice versa.
#244. To: buckeroo (#242)
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#245. To: redleghunter (#232)
Anything further [based on a Bible] would be an opinion or speculation.
#246. To: redleghunter (#243)
#247. To: diva betsy ross (#246)
Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan
#248. To: buckeroo (#247)
#249. To: redleghunter (#243)
#250. To: diva betsy ross (#249)
I figure this stuff out on my own, in prayer and meditation- and then I go and look around in Scriptures- and before I say anything here online, I have spent some time figuring things out
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#251. To: diva betsy ross (#246)
Everything about Jesus was part of the plan. God is very clear about the plan.
#252. To: buckeroo (#245)
I am not sure what you suggest is true. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, as one example?
#253. To: diva betsy ross (#246)
sigh- red, your faith is so shallow.
#254. To: buckeroo (#247)
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