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Title: Rights bill for unborn children passes
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URL Source: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/arti ... id=20120216_16_A1_OKLAHO650872
Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: BARBARA HOBEROCK
Post Date: 2012-02-18 09:59:22 by CZ82
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Rights bill for unborn children passes With Senate approval, the personhood measure heads to the House. By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau Published: 2/16/2012 2:08 AM Last Modified: 2/16/2012 7:41 AM OKLAHOMA CITY - The Oklahoma Senate passed a measure Wednesday that would declare that personhood begins at conception. Senate Bill 1433 by Sen. Brian Crain, R-Tulsa, heads to the House for consideration after securing passage in the Senate by a vote of 34-8. It is the first bill the Senate has passed since returning to session Feb. 6. "The laws of this state shall be interpreted and construed to acknowledge on behalf of the unborn child at every stage of development all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this state," the measure says. It includes an assurance that legal action could not be brought against a woman for indirectly harming the unborn child by failing to properly care for herself or by failing to follow any particular prenatal care program. Crain said the measure would not prohibit contraception or in vitro fertilization. It also would not ban abortion because Roe v. Wade, the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision, allows it, he said. But Senate Pro Tem Brian Bingman, R-Sapulpa, acknowledged that "this bill is one of many Senate Republicans have advanced which affirms right to life, and I am proud to support it." An amendment Sen. Constance Johnson, D-Oklahoma City, offered to draw attention to what she sees as the sexist nature of the bill did not get heard because of a procedural move by Crain. Her proposed amendment declared that if a woman became pregnant as the result of a rape, the rapist would undergo a vasectomy, be fined $25,000 and be financially responsible for the resulting child until the child turned 21. Crain said his bill was requested by Oklahomans for Life. Tony Lauinger, Oklahomans for Life chairman, watched the debate from the Senate gallery. Sen. Judy Eason McIntyre, D-Tulsa, said it was disturbing that men who want smaller government and less government intrusion are trying to make personal health decisions for women. She said bills such as Crain's are written to get the Republican base to the polls. "You can get elected without these kind of tactics," McIntyre said. Crain said the bill was not about getting re-elected. "The unborn have no voice of their own," he said. Wes Glinsmann, a spokesman for the Oklahoma State Medical Association, said his organization opposes the measure. The Oklahoma Coalition for Reproductive Justice also opposes it. Members of the group wore pink and sat in the Senate gallery during the discussion of the bill, which lasted about two hours. Sen. Jim Wilson, D-Tahlequah, said the bill "is bad for business" and "makes Oklahoma look silly." While Sen. Richard Lerblance, D-Hartshorne, said it would have several unintended consequences in areas ranging from probate to insurance, Sen. Kim David, R-Wagoner, urged senators not to be swayed by critics using scare tactics.
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#22. To: mininggold (#21)
I think there should be a trial for anyone that is subject to execution. If you kill you should be killed. You shouldn't be allowed to kill the young (abortion) and the old (euthanasia) and make up fancy words to get away with it. You kill a person you should be subject to being killed. After a trial of course.
you want to go into a doctor's office and start shooting everyone that is there as an abortion. You romanticize the image of a terrorist and show utter distain for life and due process. You can posture all you want, but you are for control at the barrel of a gun, not pro life. You are way beyond just being pro death penalty which is a position that still respects due process; you are more like a version of the Taliban coming from a Christian instead of a Muslim perspective.
Tampons aren't allowed in jails without a special order. Don't you even know the difference? But the girls usually turn in their own Pads. Your wife better get used to it, because it's coming her way. Nurses have to do all sorts of iky stuff. And of course I wear gloves ....sometimes I double glove.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
If you kill you should be killed. You shouldn't be allowed to kill the young (abortion) and the old (euthanasia) and make up fancy words to get away with it. You kill a person you should be subject to being killed. After a trial of course. Some guys induce miscarriages by having sex before the woman is aware she is pregnant, should that apply to them too?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
'Come on boys, let's give em a fair trail before we hangs um.' LOLOLOLOL! Yeah, you are all pro due process alright. You are at epic fail at being convincing in that respect. You are in it to spill blood and impose control. There is nothing pro life about you.
Like I said you are indifferent towards abortion. Your black messiah that you voted for is for killing babies. So by you voting for the butcher you are too. I want the Sheriffs department to shut them down and put them on trial. If they disobey the lawful orders then I guess the police should shoot them if they are in the act.
Pure bait, as it ignores everything I've said. I am not a Democrat, and I do not believe in messiahs. I am supporting Ron Paul for POTUS. You don't remotely reflect accurately his position on abortion, or his duties as POTUS. You feel that were you to be POTUS, you would have the obligation to immediately stop all abortions, and you feel you would be obligated to ignore any part of the government that nullified any action you took to do that. This is not so. The Constitution calls for checks and balances between the branches of government, and a president has to respect hat, and also has to respect the limits on her or his powers. Your bombastic diatribes on President Obama are childish on abortion and other topics are irrational and inaccurate at best.
Pure bait, as it ignores everything I've said. Witchcraft is deception. So you being an admitted witch, I don't believe your words. I believe your actions. You voted for Obama. So you are pro abortion.
Those are just words Mike. Words you don't live by. You support Obama forcing Catholics to provide birth control and abortions. So you don't respect the limits to the powers of the office. Again your actions speak louder then your hollow words.
You say you aren't a democrat but you continually make excuses for one. You claim to be pro life (you're not) but you say calling Obama out on abortion is childish. Proving my point that you are pro abortion.
Pure hyperbole. Abortion is legal now as per ruling by te SCOTUS. And were it to be made illegal, they would have to shut down any business involving the procedure, and would. You make it sould like this is a game of cowboys and Indians. And were someone to be lynched for having done abortions when it was legal were it to be made illegal, you would rejoice the lynching, as it is not the letter of the law you respect in the least.
I have heard and read his position on abortion, and it does not reflect what you contend it is. As for my position against abortion I have repeatedly stated it for decades, I have no need to prove anything to you. You are not rational on the topic anyway.
Says the pro infanticide Obama voter.
Your words are hollow. They don't follow your actions. You voted for Obama. Now Obama is forcing people to pay for abortions and calling it healthcare. That is the facts, despite your rhetoric to the contrary.
I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised you do.
(Ferret Mike: "The best way to lead is by example. If we got rid of nuclear weapons, it would be profoundly easier to justify acting against other nations should they act to develop them.")
Orwellian language. Murdering a baby is not a personal health decision.
That comment was mostly meant to get a reaction out of you. You have many buttons.
Then he should have made sure he didn't get her pregnant in the first place.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
So according to everything you said. It sounds like you are in favor of an abortion no matter what.
Sounds Talibanish.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Sounds Talibanish. More like full of shitish.
It's ok though to withhold life saving medical treatment.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
What if he didn't want his slut to get an abortion? "Then he should have made sure he didn't get her pregnant in the first place." That's a losers cop-out! You think it's up to the male to make sure he doesn't get her pregnant? That's just the kind of thinking I'd expect from slutty whores who don't care about themselves, their bodies, or the consequenses of their own promiscuous behavior. jmho!
(Ferret Mike: "The best way to lead is by example. If we got rid of nuclear weapons, it would be profoundly easier to justify acting against other nations should they act to develop them.")
Women don't get pregnant by themselves.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Spoken like a professional.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
What if he didn't want his slut to get an abortion? If he is the one encouraging it. Sure. If he killed the baby 12 seconds after it were born he would face murder charges...only the mother can kill the baby before it's born. Funny...how according to the government, anyone touching a bald eagle egg is subject to HUGE federal charges...because the government acknowledges the "thing" inside the egg is a protected species and is indeed a baby eagle, but when it comes to a "child" it's nothing more than a mass of tissue. I DEFFINATELY believe in a woman's right to chose...she can chose whether or not to spread her legs for any creep that comes along...the fact SHE made a wrong choice, doesn't give her the right to kill someone...the child.
...and men can't have abortions...what's your point?
But the man has no responsibility for his sperm, or choosing the woman to share his sperm with?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
You're a hypocrite. Just above I said if the man wanted the kid and she didn't. You said abort it. You talk with a forked tongue.
a man can't kill his child...it would be MURDER. Why should it be different for a woman?
Really? Please quote me on that or apologize for putting words in my mouth.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Ok let me correct myself. You are a black widow. You support killing the guy who gets the woman pregnant if he wants to keep the child and if he wants an abortion. You just hate men. Did you have a bad dad? The government should kill the bitches that kill their babies. Only if the sperm donor is killed along with her. What if he didn't want his slut to get an abortion? If he is the one encouraging it. Sure. A K A Stone posted on 2012-02-18 12:28:12 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply Edit #39. To: A K A Stone (#17) What if he didn't want his slut to get an abortion? Then he should have made sure he didn't get her pregnant in the first place.
Men can and do bully women into having an abortion. Most likely the fetus is located within a woman's body and the man can't, himself, abort the fetus without violating an air breathing woman's body.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I don't have a lot of respect for men who go through life expecting women to pick up the slack for them instead of taking responsibility for themselves.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
So, your only EXCUSE for the, promiscuous WHORE who would do this to a helpless, unborn baby, is to blame it's torture and death on the man? It wasn't the men who fathered these sleeping angels that did this to them, it was their MOTHER's who sentenced them to death, by any means their sick, twisted abortionist chose to use. For every two babies born another baby dies in an abortion. That's 1.2 million babies each year; That's over 3,300 babies every day; That's 1 baby every 25 seconds; That's over 54 million babies since 1973; And that's just here in America...
(Ferret Mike: "The best way to lead is by example. If we got rid of nuclear weapons, it would be profoundly easier to justify acting against other nations should they act to develop them.")
it is ultimately the womans choice... if you man bullied a woman into killing her 3 year old child, I don't think "he made me do it" would hold up in court.
so the taking of the womans life would be wrong...correct? Why is it different for the child she carries?
I don't have a lot of respect for men who go through life expecting women to pick up the slack for them instead of taking responsibility for themselves. That is fine. But when I asked if the man didn't want her to have an abortion, thus taking responsibility. You answered he should still be killed. Did you kill Lucys dad? If you follow your logic to its conclusion you must have.
Just going by her twisted logic, she would have 'murdered' Lucy, instead of putting her up for adoption with a loving family, if Lucy's father hadn't taken responsibility.
(Ferret Mike: "The best way to lead is by example. If we got rid of nuclear weapons, it would be profoundly easier to justify acting against other nations should they act to develop them.")
ANYONE can tell that is a child. It's OK to kill them 30 seconds before they're born and murder to kill them 30 after they're born...this country is so sick. We have a number of friends that had to adopt children from out of the country because there are so few here...the women having these abortions should have the baby and put them up for adoption if they must...but I guess that would be to inconvenient.
Probably followed muslim tradition and chopped off the offending part, like Anita Bobbit.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd you encourage the murder of those with whom you disagree without a trial and then call yourself a conservative. You are a serial killer wannabe.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#19)
"I'm anti murdering babies. I don't support murderers living. Murderers should be executed if they are found guilty of murder."
#24. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Weird job you have changing tampons. I hope you wear gloves.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)
I think there should be a trial for anyone that is subject to execution.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#22)
(Edited)
"You kill a person you should be subject to being killed. After a trial of course."
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
you want to go into a doctor's office and start shooting everyone that is there as an abortion.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)
"Like I said you are indifferent towards abortion."
"Your black messiah that you voted for is for killing babies. So by you voting for the butcher you are too."
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
"Like I said you are indifferent towards abortion."
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
The Constitution calls for checks and balances between the branches of government, and a president has to respect hat
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
Your bombastic diatribes on President Obama are childish on abortion and other topics are irrational and inaccurate at best.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#27)
"I want the Sheriffs department to shut them down and put them on trial. If they disobey the lawful orders then I guess the police should shoot them if they are in the act."
#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)
(Edited)
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Pure hyperbole. Abortion is legal now as per ruling by te SCOTUS
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
As for my position against abortion I have repeatedly stated it for decades
#36. To: mininggold (#5)
"Do you know that every female inmate has their periods monitored?"
#37. To: CZ82 (#0)
Sen. Judy Eason McIntyre, D-Tulsa, said it was disturbing that men who want smaller government and less government intrusion are trying to make personal health decisions for women.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
You make it sould like this is a game of cowboys and Indians.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#17)
What if he didn't want his slut to get an abortion?
#40. To: lucysmom (#39)
Then he should have made sure he didn't get her pregnant in the first place.
#41. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#21)
And you encourage the murder of those with whom you disagree without a trial and then call yourself a conservative. You are a serial killer wannabe.
#42. To: lucysmom (#41)
And you encourage the murder of those with whom you disagree without a trial and then call yourself a conservative. You are a serial killer wannabe.
#43. To: A K A Stone (#22)
If you kill you should be killed.
#44. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#39)
(Edited)
#45. To: A K A Stone (#40)
So according to everything you said. It sounds like you are in favor of an abortion no matter what.
#46. To: Murron (#44)
That's just the kind of thinking I'd expect from slutty whores who don't care about themselves, their bodies, or the consequenses of their promiscuous behavior. jmho!
#47. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#17)
The government should kill the bitches that kill their babies. Only if the sperm donor is killed along with her.
#48. To: lucysmom (#45)
Women don't get pregnant by themselves.
#49. To: freedomsnotfree (#47)
I DEFFINATELY believe in a woman's right to chose...she can chose whether or not to spread her legs for any creep that comes along...
#50. To: lucysmom (#49)
But the man has no responsibility for his sperm, or choosing the woman to share his sperm with?
#51. To: lucysmom (#49)
But the man has no responsibility for his sperm, or choosing the woman to share his sperm with?
#52. To: A K A Stone (#50)
You're a hypocrite. Just above I said if the man wanted the kid and she didn't. You said abort it. You talk with a forked tongue.
#53. To: lucysmom (#52)
(Edited)
#54. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)
a man can't kill his child...it would be MURDER. Why should it be different for a woman?
#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Ok let me correct myself. You are a black widow. You support killing the guy who gets the woman pregnant if he wants to keep the child and if he wants an abortion. You just hate men.
#56. To: lucysmom, freedomsnotfree (#49)
"But the man has no responsibility for his sperm, or choosing the woman to share his sperm with?"
#57. To: lucysmom (#54)
Men can and do bully women into having an abortion.
#58. To: lucysmom (#54)
Most likely the fetus is located within a woman's body and the man can't, himself, abort the fetus without violating an air breathing woman's body
#59. To: lucysmom (#55)
Ok let me correct myself. You are a black widow. You support killing the guy who gets the woman pregnant if he wants to keep the child and if he wants an abortion. You just hate men.
#60. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom, freedomsnotfree (#59)
"Did you kill Lucys dad? If you follow your logic to its conclusion you must have."
#61. To: Murron (#56)
#62. To: A K A Stone, *Arab Spring Jihad* (#59)
Did you kill Lucys dad?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
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