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Title: $50 MILLION Embezzled by the Good Christians at Trinity Broadcast Network
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URL Source: http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2012/0 ... -at-trinity-broadcast-network/
Published: Feb 17, 2012
Author: Posted by Kevin Farrell
Post Date: 2012-02-17 14:02:13 by Ferret Mike
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Comments: 133
The granddaughter of Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Paul and Jan Crouch has accused the world’s largest Christian broadcaster of unlawfully distributing charitable assets worth more than $50 million to the company’s directors. The charges are leveled in a federal lawsuit filed by Crouch granddaughter Brittany Koper last week against her former lawyers, who also do legal work for TBN. “Observers have often wondered how the Crouches can afford multiple mansions on both coasts, a $50 million jet and chauffeurs,” said Tymothy MacLeod, Koper’s attorney. “And finally, with the CFO coming forward, we have answers to those questions.” This would hardly be the first scandal to rock the nation’s largest Christian broadcast network. A gay engineer sued Trinity in 2009 after his sexuality was publicly mocked with pornography in the office and accused of having a “fairy man-gina” by Paul Crouch Jr., son of the network’s founder. Crouch left the network soon after the lawsuit. One final fun fact to chew on: Trinity pays no taxes on its $827.6 Million in revenue and assets, as it is considered to be a religious non-profit organization by the federal government. $50 MILLION embezzled by Christian television executives, accusations of man-gina possession, sexual harassment lawsuits, and pornography in the office? How terribly Christlike.
Paul and Jan Crouch under $50 Million of soft focus.
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There is no more a successful whore than one with good church credentials.
Ain't that gal a cutie? Her hairdo seems a little French Bourgeoisie in 1800 to me.
Many of these women are more like sideshow exhibits than religious role models. Big hair does not usually mean there is a big brain inside the thick skul under it.
As God is my witness, if I ever caught someone looking like that in bed, I would kick them out. Where on Earth do you find this material?
Sometimes I just surf on the Internet until something appears that makes my computer weep for mercy, Buck. What can I say? There is just some scary stuff out there on the big bad old web. I agree with you on the look. Her hairdresser should be jailed for creating such spectacles of bad taste.
I wonder how much her hairdresser made in this coverup? The applied fake eyelashes, the lipstick, the overdone makeup... also I want to know why anyone would give a dime to some fake, made-up woman and organization that pushed that kind of shenanigan.
She does look more like a bad edition of a barbie doll. One only Freddy Kruger could love. Yes, it is amazing how people could be so dumb they would bank roll this bimbo's bizarro con game. If Tammy Fay Bakker were still alive she would be green with envy that someone could out uglify her.
I wager LF's local billy gal gives, generously; of course murron ... mom-grandmother ... rebelgal ... believes!
Seeing how she uses similar tactics to posture and con, you know she must watch and take notes. Personally I believe moonshine must of been invented to keep Kentucky keep marriage between close relatives people from trying to conquer the world. What can I say?
Let me amend yours and the author's disingenuous, weaselly characterization regarding the above misleading, bullsh*t title... Here's the REAL DEAL: '$50 MILLION Embezzled FROM good Christians BY fake "Christian" thieves at Trinity Broadcast Network' See the difference? Thank you. You may now return to kneeling at Gaia's feet and kissing mother earth's azz.
And I guess THIS mug is worse?? LMAO
Yeah. Like "good Catholic" Uncle Ted Kennedy. OR "good Catholic" Nancy (kill-the-fetus) Pelosi.... OR the kind of Commie Communitah Organizing whore with a sparkling 20 year record at "Uncle" Reverend Wright's Church of 'Hate Whitey'.
Dear Anti-Christian Retards, Do you get the irony of referring to these frauds as "Christlike"?
And you believe it WHAT again? Despair and hopelessness at the bottomless bottle of Jim Beam? Here's the difference between you and Murron; SHE knows exactly where her spirit and soul goes once her mortal body leaves this dusty globe. YOU OTOH are a lost, frustrated little boy with destination: UNKNOWN.
Nope. According to all her posts, she just believes in cockamamie malarkey out in ther' boon-docks at the crest of the hills with some snake worshiper. Kinda like you hoping for incredible immortality through some "belief" that God will transcend your soul after you are six feet under. Cling on to all your fate, lib.
"Cling"? Brother, I KNOW with ZERO doubt where I'm going after this short stint in the flesh. Sorry to disappoint you and your bloated intellect - IT is your worst enemy. That and that little voice that keeps on telling you "God is a Myth". The taxi meter is ticking; humble yourself and massive mortal (but finite) ego and open your heart. You may surprise yourself and find the key. My sincere advice: Find a good Baptist pastor to address those questions (made in earnest) you've found "impossible" for anyone to answer in the past. Go ahead and challenge him.... Give yourself an opportunity at the peace of mind you've sought and deserved but haven't found anywhere in over 40 years.
How? Draw the clear difference between common sense and mere faith about some belief that YOU may celebrate aperiodically to refresh your recollection of being a mere mortal? You realize, that Judaism started this crap about miracles, don't you? Indeed, Abraham and Sarah at about 100 years old created the myth of a birth AND later Jesus' disciples continued the same path of mystic hoopla and shaman-like tea leaf readings. What are you afraid of? Death? Man, when you die (especially in America) you are going to be slapped on a stainless steel gurney for some twit to provide a method of official certification of death. Kinda like the way you got here, but then, you were slapped on the ass and birth certificate pinned to your crib.
I understand Lib, it's that time of the month for you. Good luck with those cramps.
I post articles and use the titles provided. I am not paid to re-write shit to make your pussy hurt less. As for the religious commentary, you believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe. Just like the First Amendment is written to accommodate. You have heard of it I presume?
We all fear pain. "Death"? No. You realize, that Judaism started this crap about miracles, don't you? Indeed, Abraham and Sarah at about 100 years old created the myth of a birth AND later Jesus' disciples continued the same path of mystic hoopla and shaman-like tea leaf readings. Why does it matter who and how the Word of God began? But look - this is all a matter of faith in any case. Let me know when you've discredited ANY prophecies of the Bible OR can arrive at the provable conclusion that the Universe (aka that "Myth") just randomly created perfectly designed, functionally living things and natural laws. It is RATIONAL to believe that this Creator also created a manual and instructions and guidelines for - and the meaning of life ( that would be the Bible). To believe this Creator just "Hit & Run" and created with no rhyme or reason is totally irrational. Isn't it?? Buck, do you believe in a state of consciousness beyond your waking state? As in your dream-state? Our spirits are independent from our brain. Believe it.
And I am not some tool to humor your anti-Christian bullsh*t and sore various orifices, Prince Warlock. As for the religious commentary, you believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe. Just like the First Amendment is written to accommodate. You have heard of it I presume? (sob, sniffle) Now you're accusing me of censoring you?? LOL Hey - use the entire box of Kleenex if you must, Mikey
Warlock is not a term my faith uses. We also don't recognized there being a Satan; he's a Christian affectation. Not understanding my religion is merely just the biggest reason you are mildly entertain a spectacle, and not much more. And I don't know what you mean or where you get the censorship angle. I just know you are coming n with some strange notion that you can attack and push an aggressive line and think you would bother me any. You are just coming across as a variation of stupid; which is your prerogative. After all, Stone's forum has a lot of that going on from strange characters who are righties, so you just fit right in just fine here.
Illuminate your "title" for me/us. Thanks. What exactly does your "faith" abide in? Mother Earth as an organic, living entity?? We also don't recognized there being a Satan; he's a Christian affectation. Whatever. You're not quite as deeply in tuned with the metaphysical as you believe you might be; My anecdotal experiences would blow your doors off - but then you'd merely account for it as a "hallucination" or "nightmare". I don't know what you mean or where you get the censorship angle. I just know you are coming n with some strange notion that you can attack and push an aggressive line and think you would bother me any. It's a forum of opinion. Whatever you believe doesn't change my life. But whatever your selling has few takers. You are just coming across as a variation of stupid; which is your prerogative. It'd be easy to characterize you as "stupid" as well, but you're not. I don't even dislike you. You're just ignorant. It's not a crime, so relax.
What is your faith?
You notice he never did answer. OR, helping us "understand" his "religion".
Amish?
It's the one constantly being baited by the person who has the moderator's dashboard. It's off the table for discussion in this forum. If the Ohioan does nt have the maturity to be civil, It is something I don't intend to post on the defensive about. I have the right to chose my religion and that is all that is germaine to the issue.
Kiss my ass.
You notice he never did answer. OR, helping us "understand" his "religion". He is a satanist. Only to ignorant to realize it.
More of your childish baiting. Grow up, junior.
A satanist telling me to grow up. Screw off witch. I don't bait you. I simply state what you are. A whining witch that voted for murdering children in the womb. You are a sicko that thinks the government can make a church buy condoms for your and your fag friends.
Heh, that is an awful lot of bombastic sniveling and whining is what it is. You simply state nothing, but you do you childishly pout a great deal.
Marxist too ! How these people spend their money is none of your business ! They all pay taxes to support your stupid lazy ass kind !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Why do you hate the US so much?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
You mean the one working over 40 hours a week? How much do I need to work to not be lazy, Boris? ;-D
I would venture a guess that anyone who is against the U.S. becoming a theocracy with Christianity as the one true religion of record is a 'Satanist' to Mr. Stone here. And that to him, many thousands of Goddess based religion believers who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in England and other parts of Europe as heretics deserved their deaths.
I have no doubt he would have sided with England against the colonists.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Keeping everyone working and busy makes for less idle time to create mischief for the masters.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Maybe the ignorance is not his - just a thought. Is Wicca a form of Satanism? The short answer is "No." The long answer is "It depends." To some conservative Christians, all religions other than their own are forms of Satanism in which followers worship Satan or one of his demons. So, they view Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Wicca, and dozens of other religions as varieties of Satanism. However, most people recognize that there are over many dozens of religions in the world, with different beliefs about deity, humanity and the rest of the universe. One of these is Wicca. Another is Satanism. These two religions have entirely different beliefs about deity, different rules for ethical behavior, different expectations from their membership, different views of the universe, different seasonal days of celebration, etc. Wiccans do not recognize an all-evil deity or quasi-deity like Satan. Christianity and Islam are the main religions that teach of Satan's existence, either as an evil principle or as an all-evil fallen angel with supernatural powers. Wicca and Satanism are not at all similar religions. However, the Christian church did link them in the past -- particularly during the Witch burning times of the late Middle Ages and Renaissance. They regarded Witches as Satan worshipers. Some Christian denominations have not been particularly thorough in correcting mistakes of the past. So, Wicca and Satanism continue to be linked in many people's minds. This problem is rapidly fading as more Wiccans come out of the closet and become public with their faith. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Do you know what satanism is? I simply state what you are. That's pretty arrogant, don't you think.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
If the Ohioan does nt have the maturity to be civil, It is something I don't intend to post on the defensive about. I have the right to chose my religion and that is all that is germaine to the issue. Fair enough.
I wonder if Stone realizes that the Judaism that he loves to revere doesn't recognize the devil or Satan either. Only that everyone can have the tendencies described as satanic.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
As for the religious commentary, you believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe. Just like the First Amendment is written to accommodate. You have heard of it I presume? And you exhibiting those satanic characteristics you accuse others of having doesn't help your case.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
The idea of a devil and demons seems to have evolved after contact with Zoroastrianism.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
(Gen. 12:1-3). I will make you a great nation. I will bless you. I will make your name great. I will make you a blessing. I will bless those who bless you. I will curse those who curse you. In you all the families of the world will be blessed! Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. We Are The Body of Christ Romans 11:1-5 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
Worship of satan. Wicca worships Satan. They call him the goddess. They are ignorant fools. Wicca certainly is satanism. It is the rejection of the one true good God and the acceptance of a counterfeit deity which is actually Satan. Exodus 22:18--Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Witch To Live
Parrot bait and switch nonsense drivel.
So where does Paul mention Satan?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Who is Satan in the Book of Job?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Satan.
You accuse FM of being a Satanist (in doing that, you are preforming the role of Satan - kind of ironic, don't you think), and yet can't say who Satan is.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
If you wait long enough, he'll play God too. Although not as well.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Yup.
Or Wiccan-Clingon.
It's [my Satanic Religious Cult] the one constantly being baited by the person who has the moderator's dashboard. It's off the table for discussion in this forum. If the Ohioan does nt have the maturity to be civil, It is something I don't intend to post on the defensive about. I have the right to chose my religion and that is all that is germaine to the issue. You hypocritical POS. You talk about "civility"?? Here YOU are as the very first complainant and response of this thread in criticizing someone ELSE'S (Christian) religion. "There is no more a successful whore than one with good church credentials." Ferret Mike posted on 2012-02-17 14:05:23 ET So...may I say, F*** YOU, Warlock, your Satanic Garbage Cult, your clinical mental problems, and your fake tolerance.
Is that considered the "baptism" in you Cult, Witchy-Man?
Tell it like it is.
Are you Satan? You seem to know so much about witchcraft.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Gee, I can't help but notice that as usual, your post isn't anywhere near being on tangent. My advice as always to you: PUT THE CAP BACK ON THE GILBEY'S.
Yet you are the one who appears to be spreading Satan's word.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
(sob, sniffle) Dance around a tree Mike, then build a bonfire and "pray" to your "god" for revenge of your 300 year-old brethren! You blithering idiotic faux-martyr.
You don't; Nor do you even know which hospital ward you're posting from.
So you must have an intimate knowledge of Satanism.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I wonder if you realize that you are regarded as a bitter lunatic, contrarian mental case, and NOT someone any sane person takes seriously? Must your every goofy post either defend 0bama and Communism, defend insanity, or criticize the Founders' principles and beliefs?
I doubt anyone would consider you sane.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I do - thanks to you and Ferret Witchy Man.... You have given the rest if us great insight into your weaselly methodology, hypocrisy, and tangential bullsh*t.
Especially from the same mental ward both you and LucysInsaneMom share.
You have given the rest if us great insight into your weaselly methodology, hypocrisy, and tangential bullsh*t. So .....do you also lead Satanic rituals? Since you seem to have incorporated into your personality, all the other Satanic behaviors.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
You are COMICALLY clueless. As are your comically and chronically ignorant brethren of contrarian Commies and anti-Christians (you know who you are...*hiccup*).
Naaaah....don't bother with your lame comebacks. You've fallen and can't get up. (now while you're on the floor, you might as well grab a your bottle and kill a few more brain cells.)
(now while you're on the floor, you might as well grab a your bottle and kill a few more brain cells.) Really.... it would be hard to find a better reason of why people are abandoning Christian faith than to read posts such as yours which seem typical of those who currently deem themselves the Christian 'faithful'.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
So, little ol' *me* is the reason morons like *you* are turned off by the Gospel of Jesus Christ? HINT: It's not the "Gospel of Liberator". Make up a better excuse not to believe. That one doesn't make sense.
Bozo; you go there now and never come off.
I am beyond tired of these hypocritical insults from these Bible salesmen. They never really listen to what I have to say, and I have had these conversations with these hubris laden, self-righteous and closed minded idiots a long time on the Internet. I know what I believe; I know what works for me. I am listening to no more snake oil pitches pushing the holly babble.
That's funny...YOU DAMNED HYPOCRITICAL WEASEL. Funny how? First you were critical of Christianity and what IT is as THE Poster thread titled: $50 MILLION Embezzled by the Good Christians at Trinity Broadcast Network (by Ferret Mike) THEN you tried to pour it on. Then you sobbed like a p*ssy when you got your Wiccan azz handed to you... But what then? You tried posting a thread where YOU tried in vain to be a Wiccan "salesman": Title: A Wiccan in the Military -- The Wiccan Warriors Source: www.universalonehealing.com URL Source: http://www.universalonehealing.com/ ... ions/a-wiccan-in-the-military/ Published: Feb 24, 2012 Author: E. Strauss http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28177 Post Date: 2012-02-24 16:36:16 Nice try, hypocrite. Now go glorify some other satanic cult, Warlock.
Projection. Project. Projection.... To be fair, that's the exact MO of ALL Leftists, eco-freaks, Dems, and anarchists - including the moonbats at this forum. You people are THE most hypocritical creatures on the planet. I am tired of subsidizing your collective insanity, destruction of our Republic, AND eradication of our God.
HINT: It's not the "Gospel of Liberator". Make up a better excuse not to believe. That one doesn't make sense. Maybe you should try being an example of Christian behavior for a change. As Christ's most ardent followers seem to be the ones who most reject His own teachings.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Is that considered the "baptism" in you Cult, Witchy-Man? Ok that was funny.
It's the one constantly being baited by the person who has the moderator's dashboard. It's off the table for discussion in this forum. If the Ohioan does nt have the maturity to be civil, It is something I don't intend to post on the defensive about. I have the right to chose my religion and that is all that is germaine to the issue. It isn't a faith at all. Faith is a christian concept. Not that of a wiccan witch.
Are you saying you don't take me seriously? Okay then, I can live with that.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
HINT: It's not the "Gospel of Liberator". You're giving Christianity a bad name by identifying yourself as a Christian just as Muslim terrorists give Islam a bad name by identifying themselves with Islam. That should be simple enough for you to understand, however I'm not counting on it.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
And that to him, many thousands of Goddess based religion believers who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in England and other parts of Europe as heretics deserved their deaths. Oh yay, some more Wiccan revisionist history. Wicca is a modern religion created by Gerald Gardner in the 1940's. The overwhelming majority of victims "burned at the stake" or otherwise tortured and / or killed during the Middle Ages for witchcraft were not "goddess" worshippers or practioners of paganism. Most were innocent victims of mass-hysteria or victims of oppressive government officials who wished to do things like: A) Steal their property. If they are a "criminal" and executed by the State, then the government often confiscated their property. B) Silence political opposition or simply kill people that the government officials simply didn't like. C) Provide the classic strategy of the pagan Roman empire to keep the peasants from revolting: "bread and circuses". Witch-hunts provided the government for an alternate explanation as to why people's lives were so difficult -- it wasn't the governments' policies, it was witches!! You will note that in the above examples I cited government officials as the persecutors in the witch-hunts. That is because in the overwhelming majority of cases, it was not church authorities which tried people for "witchcraft", it was the government. Wicca is a modern religion which worships the demons ("gods" and "goddesses") of pagan antiquity. It is not a continuation of the same. Gerald Gardner created it, using rituals in many cases directly copied from the satanist Aleister Crowley (who called himself "The Great Beast"). He also added in some perverted S & M sex rituals so that he could get his jollies with people that he convinced to join with him in his brand new religion worshipping the dead gods and goddesses of paganism. So no, you are not a victim in a long- oppressed religion. You are a practioner of a modern fringe religion created by Gardner. The overwhelming majority of people killed in the witch-hunts were not pagans, most were either Christians or non-religious. The term witch-craft used in the Middle Ages refers to the classical definition of that term: using magic to cause harm to others. Thus, while Wiccans can practice witchcraft in the classical sense, not everyone who was or is accused of "casting spells" etc. is a Wiccan. And historically speaking, it was the advent of Christianity that brought the practice of "witch-hunting" into a decline. In ancient paganism, witch-hunting was commonplace. After all, since pagans believe in magic, then bad fortune was easy to blame on black magic. The early Christians knew that Jesus Christ is more powerful than the false gods and goddesses of the pagans, and thus we have nothing to fear from them. The Emperor Constantine outlawed witch-hunts at roughly the same time that he issued his edict of toleration toward Christianity and began openly supporting it by helping to build Christian Churches through-out the Empire. Constantine's own rise to power was an example of the superiority of Christianity over the false gods of paganism. He ordered his soldiers to display the Cross of Jesus Christ, and they were victorious over the followers of the pagan god Mithras. Thus, the spells and rituals of the pagan god of war were shown to be powerless against the Christian Prince of Peace. Paganism died out not because of persecution, but because people saw that it didn't work.
Perhaps I missed the gist of your post, but "Wiccans" do not practice "witchcraft" or "maejiick." They are "mother-earth" type folks that might be "neo-pagans" at best but in all cases, they understand the term "shame." similar to most everyone around the world, even if they are Christians.
I believe that you did miss the gist of my post, or I am misunderstanding your response. I was responding to the false claim that the victims of of the medieval witch-hunts were pagans being persecuted for their religious beliefs, and that Wiccans are the direct descendants of these "witches". That was an idea that was proposed many decades ago by a crack-pot academic and has now been widely discredited by historians. Despite the fact that it has been resoundingly discredited, it is common among Wiccans to repeat this propaganda, refering to it as "The Burning Times", and to act as though they are the continuation of some persecuted sect that has existed from antiquity. Since most Wiccans also tend to be leftists, they seem to feel better if they can portray themselves as the persecuted "victims" of allegedly oppressive Christians when in fact most of them are just spoiled brats rebelling against the religion of their parents. And if you are claiming that the modern Wiccan religion does not employ "magick", spells, and so forth -- a brief perusal of the internet can refute that claim.
TBN is peddling a lot of "stuff" on their network. Hard to find the Gospel preached on that station.
For every misleading way, The Truth will overcome:
Good piece below addresses our humanity: A Royal Ruin: Pascal's Argument from Humanity to Christianity by Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D. Is it possible to reconcile mankind's dueling capacities for debauchery and greatness? As Dr. Doug Groothuis explains, Pascal saw the Christian worldview as the only plausible explanation for this inner conflict that plagues the human race. Introspection: Mankind's Specialty The Bible is God's anthropology rather than man's theology. — Abraham Joshua Heschel [1] We humans often puzzle over our own humanity, scanning our heights and our depths, wondering about and worrying over the meaning of our good and our evil. No other animal reflects on its species like this. Here, and in so many other ways, we stand unique among living creatures. Why does a young student go on a homicidal rampage at Virginia Tech, murdering dozens of innocent people and then killing himself? Why does such evil strike so hard and so erratically? In spite of these upsurges of human evil, we are also struck by the beauty, courage and genius wrought by human minds, hearts and hands. After every tragedy (on September 11, 2001 or at Virginia Tech), heroes emerge who rescue the living, comfort the dying, and put others above themselves in spontaneous acts of altruism. Singer-songwriter Bruce Cockburn ponders the complexities and contradictions of humanity in "The Burden of the Angel/Beast" — the distinctively human discomfort with being human and not understanding the origin and meaning of our own humanness: What sort of freak then is man! How novel, how monstrous, how chaotic, how paradoxical, how prodigious! Judge of all things, feeble earthworm, repository of truth, sink of doubt and error, the glory and refuse of the universe! [2] Yet this was no mere marveling. Any worldview worth its rational salt needs to offer a sufficient explanation for both human greatness and debauchery. Pascal goes on: "Man's greatness and wretchedness are so evident that the true religion must necessarily teach us that there is in man some great principle of greatness and some great principle of wretchedness." [3] Pascal believed the answers were found in the Bible. We find greatness in humanity because we are made in the divine image (Genesis 1:27). However, that image has been defaced (but not erased) through the fall (Genesis 3; Romans 3). There is something wrong with every aspect of our being, but we remain noble in our origin. There are, to invoke Cockburn again, "rumors of glory" found in humanity. From the greatness and wretchedness of humanity, Pascal developed an argument for the truth and rationality of Christianity. While his ingenious argument has been reconstructed in more detail elsewhere, [4] we will consider its basic structure, which provides a fruitful point of discussion with seeking and questioning people today. Two Extremes The genius of the Christian perspective is that it explains both greatness and misery without exalting one above the other. Our nobility, expressed in the achievements of thought, for example, is due to our divine image. Because of this, we transcend the rest of creation. Yet we abuse our greatest endowments, wasting our God-given skills on trivia and diversions, because we know we will die and do not know what to do about it. We are the corruption of a former original. Pascal says: The point is that if man had never been corrupted, he would, in his innocence, confidently enjoy both truth and felicity, and, if man had never been anything but corrupt, he would have no idea either of truth or bliss. But unhappy as we are (and we should be less so if there were no element of greatness in our condition) we have an idea of happiness but we cannot attain it. We perceive an image of the truth and possess nothing but falsehood. [5] In other words, we are royal ruins: We possess some truth, but we cannot rest content in what we naturally know; we feel our own corruption, and in so doing, we realize the human condition is somehow abnormal, flawed and degenerate. In the context of surveying human greatness and misery in many dimensions of life, Pascal says: "It is the wretchedness of a great lord, the wretchedness of a dispossessed king." [6] In surveying human philosophies and non-Christian religions, Pascal notes that they either exalt humans at the expense of taking seriously their weaknesses or reduce humans to nothing at the expense of their significance. In Pascal's day, many were impressed by the philosophy of the Stoics, who asserted that humans were great in reason and courage and partook of the divine essence of the universe. Yet these Stoics made little allowance for human weakness, cruelty, uncertainty and fragility. Thus, they exalted greatness at the expense of misery. On the other hand, various skeptics, such as Michel Montaigne (1533-1592), delighted in showing the weakness of human reason and the arrogance of our pretensions. Yet the skeptics downplayed our ability to reason properly and the significance of human achievements in science, art and elsewhere. As Pascal said, they should have been more skeptical of their skepticism. [7] The New Spirituality, India's Caste System While the specific writers that Pascal addressed are not commonly discussed today, the tendency either to overrate or underrate humanity is still with us. Many examples abound, but I will briefly inspect one worldview that overrates humanity: the New Spirituality. [8] The New Spirituality is an amalgamation of ideas drawn from many sources. But whether it is the best-selling book, The Secret (hawked by Oprah Winfrey), or the movie, What the Bleep Do We (K)now!?, the New Spirituality claims we are divine beings who can tap into unlimited potential through a change in consciousness. (In this way, it is similar to Stoicism.) We are limited not by our sinful condition, but only by negative thought patterns. The "secret" of The Secret is "the law of attraction" — we attract good things to ourselves through positive thoughts and negative things to ourselves through negative thoughts. This blind optimism and inflation of human abilities appeals to our pride and the American "can-do" attitude, but it is radically out of alignment with reality. Yes, humans achieve much of what they conceive, but there are limits. Thought does not create reality ex nihilo. Moreover, humans inflict evil on others willfully and repeatedly. We cannot explain this away on the basis of the negative thoughts of those who are victimized. Consider the untouchables (or Dalits) of India. Their 3,000 years of subjugation by the upper Hindu castes cannot be explained on the basis of low self-esteem among the Dalits. That would be to blame the victim unjustly. Rather, human beings, given their fallen propensity to exalt themselves over others artificially, have unjustly oppressed fellow imagebearers of God for three millennia. "Man's inhumanity to man" is a fact of human history, in India and everywhere else under the sun. Even a "royal ruin" should be able to see that and search for an answer. Finding a Balance: The Christian Perspective But the Christian worldview conserves both our greatness and our wretchedness in a profound revelation, something not available to unaided human reason, as Pascal points out: Know then, proud man, what a paradox you are to yourself. Be humble, impotent reason! Be silent, feeble nature! Learn that man infinitely transcends man, hear from your master your true condition, which is unknown to you. Listen to God. [9] The biblical account of our creation and fall best fits the facts of human reality. However, we must "listen to God" — that is, attend to what God has spoken in the Bible — to discover this liberating truth. Pascal further counsels us that the biblical account reveals that there is a Redeemer for royal ruins — Himself, a King, who became a man in order to rescue those who are "east of Eden" and standing at the brink of eternity. Pascal says that in Him we find hope for our deposed condition: "Jesus is a God whom we can approach without pride and before whom we can humble ourselves without despair." [10] Though we are royal ruins, we can find total forgiveness, redemption and eternal life through the one who truly understands our condition. (See John 3:16-18; 10:10; and Romans 5:1-8.) [11] http://www.denverseminary.edu/a-royal-ruin-pascals-argument-from-humanity-to- christianity/
I have never understood the mind-set of anyone who would listen to, let alone send them money, but then, I've never understood anyone who would listen to the likes of Jesse Jackson either, they are just soooo obvious.
("Every fetus that DOESN'T go on welfare in 18 years because he/she was aborted yesterday... brings a smile to my face today" ~ GrandIsland - LibertyPost)
We don't see eye to eye. Wiccans are about as close to animism as anyone can become however, with a modern twist dealing with "Mother Earth" and the politics thereof. Oh yeah, the UN plays a significant purpose here. They can take their politics and cram it where the Sun don't shine ... to use an old cliche.
Interesting that you would bring that up. Is there, I suspect, a trace element of Eastern Orthodox Christianity in your monicker? Come on over and share your opinions on a different thread, here. Your input is welcome, of course.
No animal CAN reflect, much less communicate to others as mankind can. Mankind can plan and communicate those plans with teams no matter how sophisticated the plans may be. Animals can not.
People donating money to the Trinity Broadcast Network, is not different than people buying products advertised on American Idol- or buying a movie ticket. There are some great shows on that network, that are inspiring people. So there you go. Mike you and I have discussed WICCA in the past, and I told you I had even been to WICCA meetings and understood some of the mindset. People who watch those shows are seeking answers- just like you are. No need to try to shame people. Live and let live- right? :) AND if you ever want to have a calm and rational discussion about how WICCA is not what you think it is- let me know. I was in WICCA. I got a POV that you can not deny and I would LOVE-LOVE-LOVE to tell you what I know. I took a beautiful friend to church with me- JUST today- who is recovering from WICCA. I talk to her at length and she has to admit I know what I am talking about. You know there is a darkness in WICCA that holds you in bondage. You can not deny that to me. I know better. There is only one true light- and it is Jesus. You know that WICCA does not and can not quench your thirst for understanding of nature. 2 Samuel 22:29 29 You are my lamp, O LORD; the LORD turns my darkness into light. The Lord calls to you and others in WICCA. You know WICCA does not hold the answers. AND for the record, you are just as worthy and wanted as anyone else. Jesus LOVES it when someone sees the right path. Best wishes and God bless you.
buck you are wrong. I was in Wicca for a short time. It is all about magic and spells. WICCA is witchcraft and placings spells and curses on people.
What is the difference between Wicca "magic and spells" vs. Christian "beads/crosses&baptism and prayers"?
I used the Firefox adblock function to block that. Not interested in reading fiction, dude.
nice to see you Betsy, but I'm fine without the religion merely geared to manage human populations. but thanks for your post. I am fine like I am.
That is a very good question. It is about the will. In WICCA people learn that they can control their environment by casting spells and curses. NOW- granted there is black magic and white magic. They both work, giving people a sense of control over their lives- which sounds good on it's face- until we realize that we really are not in control- we are being used as pawns to control other people. It is very bad to take someone's free will. That is actually putting someone else in bondage- and the rule of the universe is that we will all reap what we sow. It doesn't matter if you believe that you reap what you sow- or not. It is true. So- back to beads and things. Again- I am not catholic. I do not pray to anyone who is dead- or speak to anyone who is dead- other than Jesus. Catholics pray to people they call saints- I don't really understand that. Ask a catholic. baptisim.. is not taking anyone's free will.. it is a personal choice a person makes on their own behalf.. so that is ok. Prayers is asking for something someone has asked us to pray for - or praying for ourselves. We are not taking the free will of anyone else. God also respects people's free will, so should we. Umm crosses- I am not sure what you are asking there? But I personally believe that a cross is an idol. I honestly believe we are to have NO idols (I am kind of a puritan on idols).. so I don't have a cross, myself. Hope that is helpful.
Spell casting is much like what Chritains do by praying. All Wicca deals with is promoting the positive. it is against our religion to cast anything black or bad anyone's way. Both actions are a human trying to dream positive things into being, or reflecting on what happens in life. There is never anything to be gained by either religion knocking this aspect each has.
ok Mike- but this is honest and sincere- drop me a note if you want to chat. Some of the passion you see in believers is that Jesus is so beautiful and good. We want to share that with people- ESP if He has delivered us. Passions are fire- but people don't always have to get burned, right. :) Take care.
White magic is basicially taking God out of the picture. NOW- when I was in WICCA that seemed so peaceful and harmless and most of those people who casting white magic are loving and good people, indeed. Christians who pray are worshiping God, and giving him the power. WICCANS who cast white magic spells are not allowing God into their lives. They are going around God. And it works, many times whether the person deserves what they asked for or not- it works in the temporary- but the question is- what happens AFTER. God allows free will, remember. WICCANS also miss out on knowing the love of Father God. We find that love- in relationship with God. WICCANS make something else their God, or just do without God. But prayers and white magic are really not at all the same.
I respect Islam, Judaism, Christianity and all people's right to worship as they chose. But I have a beautiful faith that matches my belief system and gives me what I need. I am also willing to share my religion, and have helped many come to Wicca, or fix what they were doing wrong as a solitary practitioner and get them grounded and resonate with the Goddess. I am the one who helps people when they discover the most foundational religion to life and human beings. I would be more help in sorting out your confused thoughts than you would in trying to get me to know know what I know. Thus if you are as rock solid in your paradigm of religion as I am in mine, we don't have anything to share with each other at this time. But let me know if you ever need help. let the blessings be.
Wicca doesn't practice "magic." It is a neo-pagan or animistic approach to identifying mother earth. I don't know what you are talking about UNLESS within your background with some cult happened fool you about their styles. Wiccan practices and beliefs are largely in response to economic/political/resource issues and really isn't a pure belief system in my opinion. Most everyone identifies with the world around ourselves; Wicca folks accentuate that perspective is all.
It is enough they are both tools, and are used for positive things. And magic is worshiping the Goddess and accessing power, with the giving going both ways. There is no point in my knocking what you do, and none knocking what I do. Wicca is also monotheistic, not polytheistic.
I set up alters and use them and other tools to channel white magic. Magic can be done individually or in a group. As there are many ways to pray, there are many ways to invoke magic.
Do you use chicken blood and voodoo dolls with pins? If so, I want you to take a list of people that I plan for the next time you meet at your "alter,"
Actually, I don't have a religion. :) And I am not knocking what you do at all. I understand it actually. I am not knocking anyone's religion- altho I do on occasion get annoyed with Catholics. I beleive Jesus came to set us all- everyone in the entire world- free from the bondage of religion. The other thing is that Jesus- the Christ was all about equality between male and female, and it would surprise you early followers of Christ were not hung up on gender. Women were very much apart of the early church- and I would bet you money if you looked at the early church- YOU would be comforted. But I won't go there. BUT you can let me know if you want me to.. ;) Religion, in my opinion, is a bad thing in the world. Religion divides people and kills love. God is love.
buck- have you been to WICCA Meetings? If so, what did you talk about?
Come on over and share your opinions on a different thread, here. Your input is welcome, of course. Yes, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Thanks for the invitation to the other thread. I may go over and participate some, but my time will be limited in the coming week with offline obligations.
lol- ok- listen I have to go- as entertaining as this is for me.
Heh, nope. We do white maic and care about promoting good, kindness and the best in people. Black magic and dealing with the dangerous tangle of hatred, revengeful thought and other nasty things like that I want no truck in whatsoever. I don't live to hate or want bad for others; that is not the Wicca way to establish a relationship with our creator and our relationship with her.
If you blocked it, then you did not review it, which means you cannot form an opinion on it.
Of course not, other than to spread lies about Christianity allegedly slaughtering millions of your co-religionists when that is factually untrue. Do Wiccans not consider lying about others to be hateful?
Do Wiccans not consider lying about others to be hateful? We have quite a few professed Christians on this site who lie and spread tales about others constantly, and even stalk some posters around the internet. Is that considered good Christian behaviors? Christians definitely killed hundreds of thousands of American Indians most of whom followed religious practices similar to Wicca.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Christians definitely killed hundreds of thousands of American Indians most of whom followed religious practices similar to Wicca. Lying and stalking are not considered good Christian behaviour. Lying is specifically condemned in the Bible quite strongly. On the other hand, the "Burning Times" lie is extremely common amongst Wiccans and other neo- pagans. As leftists, they seem to find it extremely comforting to portray themselves as an oppressed minority even though the majority of them come from middle class white backgrounds. And as in this case so far, my experience with Wiccans who spread the "Burning Times" propaganda lies is that most often when they are confronted with the facts they do not correct or change their behaviour but cling to their false victim status like a security blanket. And to isolate a relatively small group of Christians as representative of the whole is silly. Furthermore, what Indian tribe practiced S & M sex rites while possessed by demons? Please give a citation.
The satanist wiccans cant even tell us why they believe in a "goddess". I think one of the freaks tripped on acid. Then the low confidence losers who gravitate towards satanism/wicca in their desire to get back at society they grasp at straws in their desire to have a religion too. To bad they are to dumb to know it is satan they worship. Morons all of them.
I read your earlier posts. suffice it to say we do not agree on much. I am not going to discuss Wicca with you unless some of the vitriol is toned down on this board and ideas instead of personal attacks become the order of the day. Nice to meet you buy the way, and thanks for the ping.
And I have no interest in doing so as long as some on this board refuse to discuss ideas civilly. The block is no reflection on you, it is a statement about the poisonous tone in here by some toward others because of religious disagreement. nice to meet you by the way.
You're "religion" is made up. That is why you can't explain your belief in the toad or the goddess or whatever it is you have your "faith" in.
I agree. I don't waste my time watching it. I can't even remember the last time I took a glance at it to see what was on.
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
I don't need to lower myself to explain anything to abusive people. That is the bottom line here. Grow up.
All religions are "made up". His religion is very close to that currently practiced by numerous American Indian tribes, so are you saying you hate them too?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
It is nice to meet you as well. It is of course your own choice what you choose to discuss. But for an additional comment I will explain further why I view it as very hateful to characterise the victims of the witch-hunts of European antiqity as pagans. Almost all of the victims of these cruel tortures and executions repeatedly professed that they were Christian! Contrary to what one may think, refusing to admit to being a witch and professing that they were Christian only assured that they would face even worse torture. Those who "confessed" and then went through a fake "repentance" for their non- existent "crimes" were often released. Those who steadfastly insisted that they were Christian only assured that more torture and possible execution awaited them. So in what way is it at all moral to state that these poor people were liars and that they really were "witches". If you believe that people have immortal souls, how is it in anyway ethical to continue the slander of them that they endured at the last of their earthly lives? Here is an example from a summary of a witch trial. Do you believe that this poor woman was a liar and really was a closet pagan? All of her actions are consistent with her being a Roman Catholic -- her "confessions" only came after horrific torture, and as can be seen she immediately retracted them when given a chance -- only to endure more torture: "Ann Kaserin and her husband Georg Kaser kept an inn in Eichstatt, Germany, in the early 17th century. Eichstatt was hit by a Witch craze, one of the worst that Germany experienced. During it, several condemned Witches stated that they had seen Ann at a sabbat, making love to a demon. Ann was accused by twelve different Witches over nine years -- and yet the courts never arrested her. We're not sure why the courts were so lenient. Ann and Georg were wealthy; perhaps they had friends at the court or bribed some of the officials. Around 1629, Ann and Georg moved to Rennertshofen hoping to avoid the dangers of Eichstatt. However in March, 1629, Ann was arrested on charges of Witchcraft and taken to Neuburg for trial. Guards searched her house for signs or implements of Witchcraft, but discovered nothing. At Neuburg, Ann was first kept chained to a wall. Georg got permission to bring her a bed, and with it, a letter. "If you are guilty, O my Treasure," he wrote, "confess it. But if you are not guilty, you have a holy authority, by which you may demand God's grace and with which we may console our small children." He then told Ann how much he missed her, and how badly the house was falling apart now that he and the kids were on their own. On March 19, Ann appeared before the court for the first time. She swore she wasn't a Witch, though she admitted that she knew she'd been named by condemned Witches. That was the reason that she and Georg had fled Eichstatt. The court warned her that she would be tortured if she did not confess, but Ann maintained her innocence. Two days later, she was summoned a second time. Again, she affirmed her innocence, and the court handed her over to the executioner for torture. First came the thumbscrews. Ann endured this, insisting that the accusations against her came from hatred. People were jealous of her because she had money and fine dresses. When the thumbscrews failed to break the woman, the executioner brought out the strappado. The strappado was a simple but hideously effective torture. The Witch's arms were tied behind her back. A rope was fastened around her wrists and run through a loop on the ceiling. Then the executioner hauled the Witch up into the air, twisting her shoulder blades painfully, and frequently dislocated one or both shoulders. Many courts increased the torments by tying weights to the Witch's ankles, or by dropping them and jerking them back into the air. Ann was lifted in the strappado. And after hanging for fifteen minutes, arms wrenched behind her, she broke. The charges against her were true, she said. She had three pots of flying ointment and when she wished to go to a sabbat, she anointed a fork with these ointments and promptly flew away. She swore she never harmed a human being, but admitted that she had slept with demons and prayed to Satan. Guards again searched her house. This time they found a small pot with a hard, dry, black substance in it. But there was no sign of the "Witch-fork" that Ann claimed she flew with. Questioned and tortured a second time, Ann named several other Witches. At this point, the court summoned Georg and asked him about his wife's habits. Georg said that Ann was a good, hard-working woman and a devout Christian. She took Communion every other week and frequently spent half the day in church. But he did admit that for seven years his wife had been very melancholy. (How could she not be? Again and again in those years, she was accused of Witchcraft. Again and again she saw Witches burned, and knew that only the greatest of luck kept her from that very same fate.) Ann, Georg said, handled her fears like a good Christian: she prayed and fasted and wept until she could wash her hands in her tears. For seven years she avoided all weddings and festivities, hoping that God would see her fervor and spare her. The court thanked him for his testimony, and dismissed him. Meanwhile, they decided that Ann's confession wasn't sincere: she hadn't admitted to any murders, nor had she implicated "enough" of her fellow Witches. She was tortured again until she accused her maid and admitted that she had murdered one of her own children with a magick salve. Guards search her home again, looking for the deadly ointment, but all they found was an empty pot. Seeing nothing before her except slow torture and painful death, Ann attempted to commit suicide. She mixed her own urine and feces in a bowl and ate it, hoping it would poison her. All it did was make her violently ill. The court, however, believed that Ann must be trying to hide information. Suicide was of the Devil, they said. The only reason Satan would encourage a Witch to kill herself was to prevent her from giving a full confession. And so Ann was tortured a fourth time, most severely. She was hoisted in the strappado and her legs were crushed in iron boots. The broken woman confessed further. She had killed a peasant. She brought hail to destroy the crops. She knew many Witches. She had seen the Devil, and he had the feet of a goose. Finally, the court was satisfied and they sent two priests to hear Ann's final confession before execution. And here, Ann made a terrible error. She was a good Catholic, you see, and couldn't bring herself to lie to her confessor. So when the priest urged her to repent of her Witchcraft, Ann told him that she was innocent. She had only confessed to avoid torture, she told the priest, and she asked him to absolve her for the sin of lying to the court. Instead, the priest reported her words to the judges. Enraged, the court subjected Ann to a fifth bout of torture, more terrible than any of the others. Ann told them everything they wished to hear and affirmed that her earlier confession had indeed been true. But as they let her down from the strappado for the final time, the Witch made one last request, a plea that struck her judges as odd enough to note in their records. Please, she begged them, do not burn any of the people I named. Ann said she no longer cared if she lived or died; she only prayed God that she would be the last person burned in the land. On September 20, 1629, Ann Kaserin was beheaded and her lifeless body burned at the stake." So please explain to me how it is in any way ethical for neo-pagans to claim that this poor woman and thousands like her were lying when they professed to be Christian! This is horrific to continue to lie about the victims of the witch-hunts. Neo-pagans who spread this false propaganda should be ashamed of themselves.
I sure do enjoy reading your posts, they're informative, thoughtful, and well researched. Thank you.
("Every fetus that DOESN'T go on welfare in 18 years because he/she was aborted yesterday... brings a smile to my face today" ~ GrandIsland - LibertyPost)
The only time I frequent that station is around Christmas and Easter. It is the only station that still faithfully runs the classics of King of kings, The Greatest Story Ever Told and a few others. The dinosaur Networks used to play those great movies, and you can hardly find them on Turner Classic anymore.
A recovering Wiccaholic? Sorry, that just struck me as funny. ;o)
Sorry, not interested in reading it. The topic was raise by Stone trying to fuck with me. So as far as I'm concerned there is nothing about the topic to discuss.
So as far as I'm concerned there is nothing about the topic to discuss. Orthodoxo. You have to remember Ferret is a hypocrite. It claims it is against abortion. Yet it voted for the Black Genocidal maniac in the White House. When ever the rat boy is getting beat up in debate. He likes to whine and talk about baiting. Or he will just run away and sware he is never coming here again. He has done that a dozen times or so.
heh- well, it is true. :) Yes. It is my experience that anything that does not take us toward the light of Jesus is a bad thing that we have to overcome. Drugs, alcoholism, anger, religion, ego, depression, rage..... I could go on. I put religion up there, including WICCA AND Catholicity . Have a fun day. :) Bye.
You telling me I am not against abortion does not make that so. You are insane, Stone. You try to define other people's positions for them to posture yourself and swear that makes you a winner in a debate on the topic. I don't worry about your insanity; I know where I stand on that and many other issues. What games you play don't amount to beans. If you were formidable in debate, or were right, I would leave. But you are not. You are a poor writer, you are intellectually lazy and have an epically short attention span. All you have is the make believe to work with, which is why you pretend I am for abortion. That makes you pathetic, and pitiable.
Another thing which shows what a hypocrite you are is how you will delete another's post for a colorful personal attack on you, but of course you feel you are better than those you censor and do the same sort of game. You have also started several threads on Freedom 4UM.com trying to blast me and all you managed to do was get banned, and make me more popular there turning former adversaries into comrades. Why should I go? You have only managed to hurt your own standing around the Internet by trying to hurt me with attack threads elsewhere.
#2. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
#3. To: buckeroo (#2)
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#5. To: buckeroo (#4)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
Her hairdresser should be jailed for creating such spectacles of bad taste.
#7. To: buckeroo (#6)
#8. To: Ferret Mike, murron (#7)
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#10. To: buckeroo (#8)
"I wager LF's local billy gal gives, generously; of course murron ... mom-grandmother ... rebelgal ... believes!"
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
$50 MILLION Embezzled by the Good Christians at Trinity Broadcast Network
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
There is no more a successful whore than one with good church credentials.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
$50 MILLION embezzled by Christian television executives, accusations of man-gina possession, sexual harassment lawsuits, and pornography in the office? How terribly Christlike.
#15. To: buckeroo, Murron (#8)
I wager LF's local billy gal gives, generously; of course murron ... mom-grandmother ... rebelgal ... believes!
#16. To: Liberator (#15)
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
Kinda like you hoping for incredible immortality through some "belief" that God will transcend your soul after you are six feet under. Cling on to all your fate, lib.
#18. To: Liberator (#17)
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I KNOW with ZERO doubt where I'm going after this short stint in the flesh.
#19. To: Liberator (#15)
#20. To: Liberator (#11)
'$50 MILLION Embezzled FROM good Christians BY fake "Christian" thieves at Trinity Broadcast Network'
#21. To: buckeroo (#18)
What are you afraid of? Death?
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
I am not paid to re-write shit to make your pussy hurt less.
#23. To: Liberator (#22)
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
Warlock is not a term my faith uses.
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
Warlock is not a term my faith uses. We also don't recognized there being a Satan; he's a Christian affectation. Not understanding my religion is merely just the biggest reason you are mildly entertain a spectacle, and not much more.
#26. To: We The People, Ferret Mike (#25)
What is your faith?
#27. To: Liberator (#26)
#28. To: We The People (#25)
"What is your faith?"
#29. To: Liberator (#26)
#30. To: Liberator (#26)
What is your faith?
#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
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More of your childish baiting. Grow up, junior.
#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)
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"I simply state..."
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
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I have the right to chose my religion and that is all that is germaine to the issue.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#30)
He is a satanist. Only to ignorant to realize it.
#36. To: BorisY (#34)
"They all pay taxes to support your stupid lazy ass kind ! "
#37. To: mininggold (#35)
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
And that to him, many thousands of Goddess based religion believers who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in England and other parts of Europe as heretics deserved their deaths.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
You mean the one working over 40 hours a week? How much do I need to work to not be lazy, Boris? ;-D
#40. To: A K A Stone (#30)
He is a satanist. Only to ignorant to realize it.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#32)
A satanist telling me to grow up. Screw off witch. I don't bait you.
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
It's the one constantly being baited by the person who has the moderator's dashboard. It's off the table for discussion in this forum.
#43. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#41)
Do you know what satanism is?
#44. To: Liberator (#22)
And I am not some tool to humor your anti-Christian bullsh*t and sore various orifices, Prince Warlock.
#45. To: mininggold (#43)
I wonder if Stone realizes that the Judaism that he loves to revere doesn't recognize the devil or Satan either.
#46. To: mininggold (#43)
#47. To: lucysmom (#41)
Do you know what satanism is?
#48. To: lucysmom (#45)
The idea of a devil and demons seems to have evolved after contact with Zoroastrianism.
#49. To: A K A Stone (#46)
Romans 11:1-5 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
#50. To: A K A Stone (#48)
Parrot bait and switch nonsense drivel.
#51. To: lucysmom (#50)
Who is Satan in the Book of Job?
#52. To: A K A Stone (#51)
Satan.
#53. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#52)
You accuse FM of being a Satanist (in doing that, you are preforming the role of Satan - kind of ironic, don't you think), and yet can't say who Satan is.
#54. To: A K A Stone, The Male Witch (#30)
He is a satanist. Only to ignorant to realize it.
#55. To: We The People (#27)
Amish?
#56. To: Ferret Mike, We The People, A K A Stone (#28)
The Satanic Cultist:
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
Kiss my ass.
#58. To: A K A Stone, Fettet Witchy-man (#32)
A whining witch that voted for murdering children in the womb. You are a sicko that thinks the government can make a church buy condoms for your and your fag friends.
#59. To: Liberator (#57)
Is that considered the "baptism" in you Cult, Witchy-Man?
#60. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#35)
Why do you hate the US so much?
#61. To: Liberator (#60)
Gee, I can't help but notice that as usual, your post isn't anywhere near being on tangent.
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
And that to him, many thousands of Goddess based religion believers who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in England and other parts of Europe as heretics deserved their deaths.
#63. To: lucysmom (#41)
Do you know what satanism is?
#64. To: Liberator (#63)
You don't; Nor do you even know which hospital ward you're posting from.
#65. To: mininggold, lucysmom, A K A Stone (#43)
I wonder if Stone realizes that the Judaism that he loves to revere doesn't recognize the devil or Satan either. Only that everyone can have the tendencies described as satanic.
#66. To: Liberator (#65)
I wonder if you realize that you are regarded as a bitter lunatic, contrarian mental case, and NOT someone any sane person takes seriously?
#67. To: mininggold (#64)
So you must have an intimate knowledge of Satanism.
#68. To: mininggold (#66)
I doubt anyone would consider you sane.
#69. To: Liberator (#67)
I do - thanks to you and Ferret Witchy Man....
#70. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#52)
You accuse FM of being a Satanist (in doing that, you are preforming the role of Satan - kind of ironic, don't you think), and yet can't say who Satan is.
#71. To: mininggold (#69)
#72. To: Liberator (#71)
Naaaah....don't bother with your lame comebacks. You've fallen and can't get up.
#73. To: mininggold (#72)
It would be hard to find a better reason of why people are abandoning Christian faith than to read posts such as yours which seem typical of those who currently deem themselves the Christian 'faithful'.
#74. To: Liberator (#56)
"You hypocritical POS."
#75. To: mininggold (#72)
#76. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Observers of Hypocrisy, all (#75)
I am beyond tired of these hypocritical insults from these Bible salesmen.
#77. To: Ferret Mike (#75)
They never really listen to what I have to say, and I have had these conversations with these hubris laden, self-righteous and closed minded idiots a long time on the Internet.
#78. To: Liberator (#73)
So, little ol' *me* is the reason morons like *you* are turned off by the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
#79. To: Liberator (#57)
Kiss my ass.
#80. To: Ferret Mike, We The People (#28)
"What is your faith?"
#81. To: Liberator (#65)
I wonder if you realize that you are regarded as a bitter lunatic, contrarian mental case, and NOT someone any sane person takes seriously?
#82. To: Liberator (#73)
So, little ol' *me* is the reason morons like *you* are turned off by the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
#83. To: Ferret Mike, AKA Stone (#37)
I would venture a guess that anyone who is against the U.S. becoming a theocracy with Christianity as the one true religion of record is a 'Satanist' to Mr. Stone here.
#84. To: Orthodoxa (#83)
#85. To: buckeroo (#84)
Perhaps I missed the gist of your post, but "Wiccans" do not practice "witchcraft" or "maejiick." They are "mother-earth" type folks that might be "neo-pagans" at best but in all cases, they understand the term "shame." similar to most everyone around the world, even if they are Christians.
#86. To: Ferret Mike, GarySpFc (#0)
$50 MILLION embezzled by Christian television executives, accusations of man-gina possession, sexual harassment lawsuits, and pornography in the office? How terribly Christlike.
#87. To: buckeroo (#84)
#88. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#89. To: buckeroo, liberator, GarySpFc (#18)
Man, when you die (especially in America) you are going to be slapped on a stainless steel gurney for some twit to provide a method of official certification of death. Kinda like the way you got here, but then, you were slapped on the ass and birth certificate pinned to your crib.
#90. To: redleghunter (#86)
TBN is peddling a lot of "stuff" on their network. Hard to find the Gospel preached on that station.
#91. To: Orthodoxa (#85)
And if you are claiming that the modern Wiccan religion does not employ "magick", spells, and so forth -- a brief perusal of the internet can refute that claim.
#92. To: Orthodoxa (#87)
Eastern Orthodox countries had few Witch trials.
#93. To: redleghunter (#89)
No other animal reflects on its species like this.
#94. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#95. To: buckeroo (#91)
#96. To: diva betsy ross (#95)
(Edited)
It is all about magic and spells.
#97. To: redleghunter (#88)
#98. To: diva betsy ross (#94)
#99. To: buckeroo (#96)
#100. To: buckeroo (#96)
"What is the difference between Wicca "magic and spells" vs. Christian "beads/crosses&baptism and prayers"?"
#101. To: Ferret Mike (#98)
#102. To: Ferret Mike, buckeroo (#100)
(Edited)
#103. To: diva betsy ross (#101)
#104. To: diva betsy ross, Ferret Mike (#99)
#105. To: diva betsy ross (#102)
"But prayers and white magic are really not at all the same."
#106. To: buckeroo (#104)
(Edited)
#107. To: Ferret Mike (#106)
#108. To: Ferret Mike (#103)
#109. To: buckeroo (#104)
#110. To: buckeroo (#92)
Interesting that you would bring that up. Is there, I suspect, a trace element of Eastern Orthodox Christianity in your monicker?
#111. To: diva betsy ross (#109)
#112. To: buckeroo (#111)
#113. To: buckeroo (#107)
"Do you use chicken blood and voodoo dolls with pins? If so, I want you to take a list of people that I plan for the next time you meet at your "alter,""
#114. To: Ferret Mike (#97)
I used the Firefox adblock function to block that. Not interested in reading fiction, dude.
#115. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
...I don't live to hate or want bad for others...
#116. To: Orthodoxa (#115)
Of course not, other than to spread lies about Christianity allegedly slaughtering millions of your co-religionists when that is factually untrue.
#117. To: mininggold, Ferret Mike (#116)
We have quite a few professed Christians on this site who lie and spread tales about others constantly, and even stalk some posters around the internet. Is that considered good Christian behaviors?
#118. To: Orthodoxa, ferret mike (#117)
#119. To: Orthodoxa (#117)
#120. To: redleghunter (#114)
"If you blocked it, then you did not review it, which means you cannot form an opinion on it."
#121. To: Ferret Mike (#119)
#122. To: redleghunter! Mike Ferret (#86)
TBN is peddling a lot of "stuff" on their network. Hard to find the Gospel preached on that station.
#123. To: A K A Stone (#121)
#124. To: A K A Stone (#121)
(Edited)
You're "religion" is made up. That is why you can't explain your belief in the toad or the goddess or whatever it is you have your "faith" in.
#125. To: Ferret Mike (#119)
#126. To: Orthodoxa (#125)
But for an additional comment I will explain further why I view it as very hateful to characterise the victims of the witch-hunts of European antiqity as pagans.
#127. To: GarySpFC (#122)
TBN is peddling a lot of "stuff" on their network. Hard to find the Gospel preached on that station. I agree. I don't waste my time watching it. I can't even remember the last time I took a glance at it to see what was on.
#128. To: diva betsy ross (#94)
I took a beautiful friend to church with me- JUST today- who is recovering from WICCA.
#129. To: Orthodoxa (#125)
#130. To: Ferret Mike, Orthodoxo (#129)
Sorry, not interested in reading it. The topic was raise by Stone trying to fuck with me.
#131. To: We The People (#128)
(Edited)
#132. To: A K A Stone (#130)
#133. To: A K A Stone (#130)
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