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Title: $50 MILLION Embezzled by the Good Christians at Trinity Broadcast Network
Source: unicornbooty.com
URL Source: http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2012/0 ... -at-trinity-broadcast-network/
Published: Feb 17, 2012
Author: Posted by Kevin Farrell
Post Date: 2012-02-17 14:02:13 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 65000
Comments: 133


Paul and Jan Crouch under $50 Million of soft focus.

The granddaughter of Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Paul and Jan Crouch has accused the world’s largest Christian broadcaster of unlawfully distributing charitable assets worth more than $50 million to the company’s directors.

The charges are leveled in a federal lawsuit filed by Crouch granddaughter Brittany Koper last week against her former lawyers, who also do legal work for TBN.

“Observers have often wondered how the Crouches can afford multiple mansions on both coasts, a $50 million jet and chauffeurs,” said Tymothy MacLeod, Koper’s attorney. “And finally, with the CFO coming forward, we have answers to those questions.”

This would hardly be the first scandal to rock the nation’s largest Christian broadcast network. A gay engineer sued Trinity in 2009 after his sexuality was publicly mocked with pornography in the office and accused of having a “fairy man-gina” by Paul Crouch Jr., son of the network’s founder.

Crouch left the network soon after the lawsuit.

One final fun fact to chew on: Trinity pays no taxes on its $827.6 Million in revenue and assets, as it is considered to be a religious non-profit organization by the federal government.

$50 MILLION embezzled by Christian television executives, accusations of man-gina possession, sexual harassment lawsuits, and pornography in the office? How terribly Christlike. (1 image)

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#61. To: Liberator (#60)

Gee, I can't help but notice that as usual, your post isn't anywhere near being on tangent.

Yet you are the one who appears to be spreading Satan's word.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-25   12:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

And that to him, many thousands of Goddess based religion believers who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in England and other parts of Europe as heretics deserved their deaths.

(sob, sniffle)

Dance around a tree Mike, then build a bonfire and "pray" to your "god" for revenge of your 300 year-old brethren!

You blithering idiotic faux-martyr.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: lucysmom (#41)

Do you know what satanism is?

You don't; Nor do you even know which hospital ward you're posting from.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator (#63)

You don't; Nor do you even know which hospital ward you're posting from.

So you must have an intimate knowledge of Satanism.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-25   12:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mininggold, lucysmom, A K A Stone (#43)

I wonder if Stone realizes that the Judaism that he loves to revere doesn't recognize the devil or Satan either. Only that everyone can have the tendencies described as satanic.

I wonder if you realize that you are regarded as a bitter lunatic, contrarian mental case, and NOT someone any sane person takes seriously?

Must your every goofy post either defend 0bama and Communism, defend insanity, or criticize the Founders' principles and beliefs?

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator (#65)

I wonder if you realize that you are regarded as a bitter lunatic, contrarian mental case, and NOT someone any sane person takes seriously?

I doubt anyone would consider you sane.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-25   12:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#64)

So you must have an intimate knowledge of Satanism.

I do - thanks to you and Ferret Witchy Man....

You have given the rest if us great insight into your weaselly methodology, hypocrisy, and tangential bullsh*t.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mininggold (#66)

I doubt anyone would consider you sane.

Especially from the same mental ward both you and LucysInsaneMom share.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#67)

I do - thanks to you and Ferret Witchy Man....

You have given the rest if us great insight into your weaselly methodology, hypocrisy, and tangential bullsh*t.

So .....do you also lead Satanic rituals? Since you seem to have incorporated into your personality, all the other Satanic behaviors.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-25   12:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#52)

You accuse FM of being a Satanist (in doing that, you are preforming the role of Satan - kind of ironic, don't you think), and yet can't say who Satan is.

You are COMICALLY clueless. As are your comically and chronically ignorant brethren of contrarian Commies and anti-Christians (you know who you are...*hiccup*).

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mininggold (#69)

Naaaah....don't bother with your lame comebacks. You've fallen and can't get up.

(now while you're on the floor, you might as well grab a your bottle and kill a few more brain cells.)

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   12:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#71)

Naaaah....don't bother with your lame comebacks. You've fallen and can't get up.

(now while you're on the floor, you might as well grab a your bottle and kill a few more brain cells.)

Really.... it would be hard to find a better reason of why people are abandoning Christian faith than to read posts such as yours which seem typical of those who currently deem themselves the Christian 'faithful'.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-25   13:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: mininggold (#72)

It would be hard to find a better reason of why people are abandoning Christian faith than to read posts such as yours which seem typical of those who currently deem themselves the Christian 'faithful'.

So, little ol' *me* is the reason morons like *you* are turned off by the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

HINT: It's not the "Gospel of Liberator".

Make up a better excuse not to believe. That one doesn't make sense.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   13:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Liberator (#56)

"You hypocritical POS."

Bozo; you go there now and never come off.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-25   13:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mininggold (#72)

I am beyond tired of these hypocritical insults from these Bible salesmen.

They never really listen to what I have to say, and I have had these conversations with these hubris laden, self-righteous and closed minded idiots a long time on the Internet.

I know what I believe; I know what works for me. I am listening to no more snake oil pitches pushing the holly babble.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-25   13:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Observers of Hypocrisy, all (#75)

I am beyond tired of these hypocritical insults from these Bible salesmen.

That's funny...YOU DAMNED HYPOCRITICAL WEASEL.

Funny how?

First you were critical of Christianity and what IT is as THE Poster thread titled: $50 MILLION Embezzled by the Good Christians at Trinity Broadcast Network (by Ferret Mike) THEN you tried to pour it on. Then you sobbed like a p*ssy when you got your Wiccan azz handed to you... But what then? You tried posting a thread where YOU tried in vain to be a Wiccan "salesman":

Title: A Wiccan in the Military -- The Wiccan Warriors

Source: www.universalonehealing.com

URL Source: http://www.universalonehealing.com/ ... ions/a-wiccan-in-the-military/

Published: Feb 24, 2012

Author: E. Strauss

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28177

Post Date: 2012-02-24 16:36:16 by Ferret Mike

Nice try, hypocrite. Now go glorify some other satanic cult, Warlock.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   14:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Ferret Mike (#75)

They never really listen to what I have to say, and I have had these conversations with these hubris laden, self-righteous and closed minded idiots a long time on the Internet.

Projection. Project. Projection....

To be fair, that's the exact MO of ALL Leftists, eco-freaks, Dems, and anarchists - including the moonbats at this forum.

You people are THE most hypocritical creatures on the planet. I am tired of subsidizing your collective insanity, destruction of our Republic, AND eradication of our God.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   14:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#73)

So, little ol' *me* is the reason morons like *you* are turned off by the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

HINT: It's not the "Gospel of Liberator".

Make up a better excuse not to believe. That one doesn't make sense.

Maybe you should try being an example of Christian behavior for a change. As Christ's most ardent followers seem to be the ones who most reject His own teachings.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-25   14:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#57)

Kiss my ass.

Is that considered the "baptism" in you Cult, Witchy-Man?

Ok that was funny.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-25   14:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike, We The People (#28)

"What is your faith?"

It's the one constantly being baited by the person who has the moderator's dashboard. It's off the table for discussion in this forum.

If the Ohioan does nt have the maturity to be civil, It is something I don't intend to post on the defensive about. I have the right to chose my religion and that is all that is germaine to the issue.

It isn't a faith at all. Faith is a christian concept. Not that of a wiccan witch.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-25   14:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Liberator (#65)

I wonder if you realize that you are regarded as a bitter lunatic, contrarian mental case, and NOT someone any sane person takes seriously?

Are you saying you don't take me seriously?

Okay then, I can live with that.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-25   18:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Liberator (#73)

So, little ol' *me* is the reason morons like *you* are turned off by the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

HINT: It's not the "Gospel of Liberator".

You're giving Christianity a bad name by identifying yourself as a Christian just as Muslim terrorists give Islam a bad name by identifying themselves with Islam.

That should be simple enough for you to understand, however I'm not counting on it.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-25   18:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Ferret Mike, AKA Stone (#37)

I would venture a guess that anyone who is against the U.S. becoming a theocracy with Christianity as the one true religion of record is a 'Satanist' to Mr. Stone here.

And that to him, many thousands of Goddess based religion believers who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in England and other parts of Europe as heretics deserved their deaths.

Oh yay, some more Wiccan revisionist history.

Wicca is a modern religion created by Gerald Gardner in the 1940's.

The overwhelming majority of victims "burned at the stake" or otherwise tortured and / or killed during the Middle Ages for witchcraft were not "goddess" worshippers or practioners of paganism. Most were innocent victims of mass-hysteria or victims of oppressive government officials who wished to do things like:

A) Steal their property. If they are a "criminal" and executed by the State, then the government often confiscated their property.

B) Silence political opposition or simply kill people that the government officials simply didn't like.

C) Provide the classic strategy of the pagan Roman empire to keep the peasants from revolting: "bread and circuses". Witch-hunts provided the government for an alternate explanation as to why people's lives were so difficult -- it wasn't the governments' policies, it was witches!!

You will note that in the above examples I cited government officials as the persecutors in the witch-hunts. That is because in the overwhelming majority of cases, it was not church authorities which tried people for "witchcraft", it was the government.

Wicca is a modern religion which worships the demons ("gods" and "goddesses") of pagan antiquity. It is not a continuation of the same. Gerald Gardner created it, using rituals in many cases directly copied from the satanist Aleister Crowley (who called himself "The Great Beast"). He also added in some perverted S & M sex rituals so that he could get his jollies with people that he convinced to join with him in his brand new religion worshipping the dead gods and goddesses of paganism.

So no, you are not a victim in a long- oppressed religion. You are a practioner of a modern fringe religion created by Gardner. The overwhelming majority of people killed in the witch-hunts were not pagans, most were either Christians or non-religious.

The term witch-craft used in the Middle Ages refers to the classical definition of that term: using magic to cause harm to others. Thus, while Wiccans can practice witchcraft in the classical sense, not everyone who was or is accused of "casting spells" etc. is a Wiccan.

And historically speaking, it was the advent of Christianity that brought the practice of "witch-hunting" into a decline. In ancient paganism, witch-hunting was commonplace. After all, since pagans believe in magic, then bad fortune was easy to blame on black magic. The early Christians knew that Jesus Christ is more powerful than the false gods and goddesses of the pagans, and thus we have nothing to fear from them. The Emperor Constantine outlawed witch-hunts at roughly the same time that he issued his edict of toleration toward Christianity and began openly supporting it by helping to build Christian Churches through-out the Empire. Constantine's own rise to power was an example of the superiority of Christianity over the false gods of paganism. He ordered his soldiers to display the Cross of Jesus Christ, and they were victorious over the followers of the pagan god Mithras. Thus, the spells and rituals of the pagan god of war were shown to be powerless against the Christian Prince of Peace. Paganism died out not because of persecution, but because people saw that it didn't work.

Orthodoxa  posted on  2012-02-26   15:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Orthodoxa (#83)

Perhaps I missed the gist of your post, but "Wiccans" do not practice "witchcraft" or "maejiick." They are "mother-earth" type folks that might be "neo-pagans" at best but in all cases, they understand the term "shame." similar to most everyone around the world, even if they are Christians.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   16:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: buckeroo (#84)

Perhaps I missed the gist of your post, but "Wiccans" do not practice "witchcraft" or "maejiick." They are "mother-earth" type folks that might be "neo-pagans" at best but in all cases, they understand the term "shame." similar to most everyone around the world, even if they are Christians.

I believe that you did miss the gist of my post, or I am misunderstanding your response.

I was responding to the false claim that the victims of of the medieval witch-hunts were pagans being persecuted for their religious beliefs, and that Wiccans are the direct descendants of these "witches". That was an idea that was proposed many decades ago by a crack-pot academic and has now been widely discredited by historians.

Despite the fact that it has been resoundingly discredited, it is common among Wiccans to repeat this propaganda, refering to it as "The Burning Times", and to act as though they are the continuation of some persecuted sect that has existed from antiquity. Since most Wiccans also tend to be leftists, they seem to feel better if they can portray themselves as the persecuted "victims" of allegedly oppressive Christians when in fact most of them are just spoiled brats rebelling against the religion of their parents.

And if you are claiming that the modern Wiccan religion does not employ "magick", spells, and so forth -- a brief perusal of the internet can refute that claim.

Orthodoxa  posted on  2012-02-26   18:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret Mike, GarySpFc (#0)

$50 MILLION embezzled by Christian television executives, accusations of man-gina possession, sexual harassment lawsuits, and pornography in the office? How terribly Christlike.

TBN is peddling a lot of "stuff" on their network. Hard to find the Gospel preached on that station.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   18:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeroo (#84)

For a more detailed response to the propaganda commonly spread amongst Wiccans and other neo-pagans:

www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn.htm< /a>

"We are not going to win many friends in the Neopagan communities with the following essay. However, we believe it to be accurate. It is a story that needs to be told.

The facts are that almost all of the information that is generally accepted as truth by the Neopagan community about the "burning times" is wrong:

The total number of victims was probably between 50,000 and 100,000 -- not 9 million as many believe.

Although alleged witches were burned alive or hung over a five century interval -- from the 14th to the 18th century -- the vast majority were tried from 1550 to 1650.

Some of the victims worshiped Pagan deities, and thus could be considered to be indirectly linked to today's Neopagans. However most apparently did not.

Some of the victims were midwives and native healers; however most were not.

Most of the victims were tried executed by local, community courts, not by the Church.

A substantial minority of victims -- about 25% -- were male.

Many countries in Europe largely escaped the burning times: Ireland executed only four "Witches;" Russia only ten. The craze affected mostly Switzerland, Germany and France.

Eastern Orthodox countries had few Witch trials. Stephen Hayes writes: "In parts of the Orthodox East, at least, witch hunts such as those experienced in other parts of Europe were unknown...."The Orthodox Church is strongly critical of sorcerers (among whom it includes palmists, fortune tellers and astrologers), but has not generally seen the remedy in accusations, trials and secular penalties, but rather in confession and repentance, and exorcism if necessary...."

Most of the deaths seem to have taken place in Western Europe in the times and areas where Protestant - Roman Catholic conflict -- and thus social turmoil -- was at its maximum."

Orthodoxa  posted on  2012-02-26   18:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

For every misleading way, The Truth will overcome:

redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   18:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeroo, liberator, GarySpFc (#18)

Man, when you die (especially in America) you are going to be slapped on a stainless steel gurney for some twit to provide a method of official certification of death. Kinda like the way you got here, but then, you were slapped on the ass and birth certificate pinned to your crib.

Good piece below addresses our humanity:

A Royal Ruin: Pascal's Argument from Humanity to Christianity

by Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D.

Is it possible to reconcile mankind's dueling capacities for debauchery and greatness? As Dr. Doug Groothuis explains, Pascal saw the Christian worldview as the only plausible explanation for this inner conflict that plagues the human race.

Introspection: Mankind's Specialty The Bible is God's anthropology rather than man's theology. — Abraham Joshua Heschel [1]

We humans often puzzle over our own humanity, scanning our heights and our depths, wondering about and worrying over the meaning of our good and our evil. No other animal reflects on its species like this. Here, and in so many other ways, we stand unique among living creatures. Why does a young student go on a homicidal rampage at Virginia Tech, murdering dozens of innocent people and then killing himself? Why does such evil strike so hard and so erratically?

In spite of these upsurges of human evil, we are also struck by the beauty, courage and genius wrought by human minds, hearts and hands. After every tragedy (on September 11, 2001 or at Virginia Tech), heroes emerge who rescue the living, comfort the dying, and put others above themselves in spontaneous acts of altruism.

Singer-songwriter Bruce Cockburn ponders the complexities and contradictions of humanity in "The Burden of the Angel/Beast" — the distinctively human discomfort with being human and not understanding the origin and meaning of our own humanness:

What sort of freak then is man! How novel, how monstrous, how chaotic, how paradoxical, how prodigious! Judge of all things, feeble earthworm, repository of truth, sink of doubt and error, the glory and refuse of the universe! [2]

Yet this was no mere marveling. Any worldview worth its rational salt needs to offer a sufficient explanation for both human greatness and debauchery. Pascal goes on: "Man's greatness and wretchedness are so evident that the true religion must necessarily teach us that there is in man some great principle of greatness and some great principle of wretchedness." [3]

Pascal believed the answers were found in the Bible. We find greatness in humanity because we are made in the divine image (Genesis 1:27). However, that image has been defaced (but not erased) through the fall (Genesis 3; Romans 3). There is something wrong with every aspect of our being, but we remain noble in our origin. There are, to invoke Cockburn again, "rumors of glory" found in humanity.

From the greatness and wretchedness of humanity, Pascal developed an argument for the truth and rationality of Christianity. While his ingenious argument has been reconstructed in more detail elsewhere, [4] we will consider its basic structure, which provides a fruitful point of discussion with seeking and questioning people today.

Two Extremes The genius of the Christian perspective is that it explains both greatness and misery without exalting one above the other. Our nobility, expressed in the achievements of thought, for example, is due to our divine image. Because of this, we transcend the rest of creation. Yet we abuse our greatest endowments, wasting our God-given skills on trivia and diversions, because we know we will die and do not know what to do about it. We are the corruption of a former original. Pascal says:

The point is that if man had never been corrupted, he would, in his innocence, confidently enjoy both truth and felicity, and, if man had never been anything but corrupt, he would have no idea either of truth or bliss. But unhappy as we are (and we should be less so if there were no element of greatness in our condition) we have an idea of happiness but we cannot attain it. We perceive an image of the truth and possess nothing but falsehood. [5]

In other words, we are royal ruins: We possess some truth, but we cannot rest content in what we naturally know; we feel our own corruption, and in so doing, we realize the human condition is somehow abnormal, flawed and degenerate. In the context of surveying human greatness and misery in many dimensions of life, Pascal says: "It is the wretchedness of a great lord, the wretchedness of a dispossessed king." [6]

In surveying human philosophies and non-Christian religions, Pascal notes that they either exalt humans at the expense of taking seriously their weaknesses or reduce humans to nothing at the expense of their significance. In Pascal's day, many were impressed by the philosophy of the Stoics, who asserted that humans were great in reason and courage and partook of the divine essence of the universe. Yet these Stoics made little allowance for human weakness, cruelty, uncertainty and fragility. Thus, they exalted greatness at the expense of misery.

On the other hand, various skeptics, such as Michel Montaigne (1533-1592), delighted in showing the weakness of human reason and the arrogance of our pretensions. Yet the skeptics downplayed our ability to reason properly and the significance of human achievements in science, art and elsewhere. As Pascal said, they should have been more skeptical of their skepticism. [7]

The New Spirituality, India's Caste System While the specific writers that Pascal addressed are not commonly discussed today, the tendency either to overrate or underrate humanity is still with us. Many examples abound, but I will briefly inspect one worldview that overrates humanity: the New Spirituality. [8]

The New Spirituality is an amalgamation of ideas drawn from many sources. But whether it is the best-selling book, The Secret (hawked by Oprah Winfrey), or the movie, What the Bleep Do We (K)now!?, the New Spirituality claims we are divine beings who can tap into unlimited potential through a change in consciousness. (In this way, it is similar to Stoicism.) We are limited not by our sinful condition, but only by negative thought patterns. The "secret" of The Secret is "the law of attraction" — we attract good things to ourselves through positive thoughts and negative things to ourselves through negative thoughts.

This blind optimism and inflation of human abilities appeals to our pride and the American "can-do" attitude, but it is radically out of alignment with reality. Yes, humans achieve much of what they conceive, but there are limits. Thought does not create reality ex nihilo. Moreover, humans inflict evil on others willfully and repeatedly. We cannot explain this away on the basis of the negative thoughts of those who are victimized.

Consider the untouchables (or Dalits) of India. Their 3,000 years of subjugation by the upper Hindu castes cannot be explained on the basis of low self-esteem among the Dalits. That would be to blame the victim unjustly. Rather, human beings, given their fallen propensity to exalt themselves over others artificially, have unjustly oppressed fellow imagebearers of God for three millennia. "Man's inhumanity to man" is a fact of human history, in India and everywhere else under the sun. Even a "royal ruin" should be able to see that and search for an answer.

Finding a Balance: The Christian Perspective But the Christian worldview conserves both our greatness and our wretchedness in a profound revelation, something not available to unaided human reason, as Pascal points out:

Know then, proud man, what a paradox you are to yourself. Be humble, impotent reason! Be silent, feeble nature! Learn that man infinitely transcends man, hear from your master your true condition, which is unknown to you. Listen to God. [9]

The biblical account of our creation and fall best fits the facts of human reality. However, we must "listen to God" — that is, attend to what God has spoken in the Bible — to discover this liberating truth.

Pascal further counsels us that the biblical account reveals that there is a Redeemer for royal ruins — Himself, a King, who became a man in order to rescue those who are "east of Eden" and standing at the brink of eternity. Pascal says that in Him we find hope for our deposed condition: "Jesus is a God whom we can approach without pride and before whom we can humble ourselves without despair." [10]

Though we are royal ruins, we can find total forgiveness, redemption and eternal life through the one who truly understands our condition. (See John 3:16-18; 10:10; and Romans 5:1-8.) [11]

http://www.denverseminary.edu/a-royal-ruin-pascals-argument-from-humanity-to- christianity/

redleghunter  posted on  2012-02-26   18:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: redleghunter (#86)

TBN is peddling a lot of "stuff" on their network. Hard to find the Gospel preached on that station.

I have never understood the mind-set of anyone who would listen to, let alone send them money, but then, I've never understood anyone who would listen to the likes of Jesse Jackson either, they are just soooo obvious.

("Every fetus that DOESN'T go on welfare in 18 years because he/she was aborted yesterday... brings a smile to my face today" ~ GrandIsland - LibertyPost)

Murron  posted on  2012-02-26   18:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Orthodoxa (#85)

And if you are claiming that the modern Wiccan religion does not employ "magick", spells, and so forth -- a brief perusal of the internet can refute that claim.

We don't see eye to eye. Wiccans are about as close to animism as anyone can become however, with a modern twist dealing with "Mother Earth" and the politics thereof.

Oh yeah, the UN plays a significant purpose here. They can take their politics and cram it where the Sun don't shine ... to use an old cliche.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   18:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Orthodoxa (#87)

Eastern Orthodox countries had few Witch trials.

Interesting that you would bring that up. Is there, I suspect, a trace element of Eastern Orthodox Christianity in your monicker?

Come on over and share your opinions on a different thread, here. Your input is welcome, of course.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   18:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: redleghunter (#89)

No other animal reflects on its species like this.

No animal CAN reflect, much less communicate to others as mankind can. Mankind can plan and communicate those plans with teams no matter how sophisticated the plans may be. Animals can not.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   18:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

People donating money to the Trinity Broadcast Network, is not different than people buying products advertised on American Idol- or buying a movie ticket.

There are some great shows on that network, that are inspiring people. So there you go.

Mike you and I have discussed WICCA in the past, and I told you I had even been to WICCA meetings and understood some of the mindset.

People who watch those shows are seeking answers- just like you are. No need to try to shame people.

Live and let live- right?

:)

AND if you ever want to have a calm and rational discussion about how WICCA is not what you think it is- let me know.

I was in WICCA. I got a POV that you can not deny and I would LOVE-LOVE-LOVE to tell you what I know.

I took a beautiful friend to church with me- JUST today- who is recovering from WICCA. I talk to her at length and she has to admit I know what I am talking about.

You know there is a darkness in WICCA that holds you in bondage. You can not deny that to me. I know better.

There is only one true light- and it is Jesus. You know that WICCA does not and can not quench your thirst for understanding of nature.

2 Samuel 22:29 29 You are my lamp, O LORD; the LORD turns my darkness into light.

The Lord calls to you and others in WICCA.

You know WICCA does not hold the answers. AND for the record, you are just as worthy and wanted as anyone else. Jesus LOVES it when someone sees the right path.

Best wishes and God bless you.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-26   19:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: buckeroo (#91)

buck you are wrong. I was in Wicca for a short time. It is all about magic and spells.

WICCA is witchcraft and placings spells and curses on people.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-26   19:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: diva betsy ross (#95) (Edited)

It is all about magic and spells.

What is the difference between Wicca "magic and spells" vs. Christian "beads/crosses&baptism and prayers"?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-26   19:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: redleghunter (#88)

I used the Firefox adblock function to block that. Not interested in reading fiction, dude.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   19:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: diva betsy ross (#94)

nice to see you Betsy, but I'm fine without the religion merely geared to manage human populations. but thanks for your post.

I am fine like I am.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   19:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: buckeroo (#96)

That is a very good question.

It is about the will. In WICCA people learn that they can control their environment by casting spells and curses.

NOW- granted there is black magic and white magic. They both work, giving people a sense of control over their lives- which sounds good on it's face- until we realize that we really are not in control- we are being used as pawns to control other people.

It is very bad to take someone's free will. That is actually putting someone else in bondage- and the rule of the universe is that we will all reap what we sow.

It doesn't matter if you believe that you reap what you sow- or not. It is true.

So- back to beads and things. Again- I am not catholic. I do not pray to anyone who is dead- or speak to anyone who is dead- other than Jesus.

Catholics pray to people they call saints- I don't really understand that. Ask a catholic.

baptisim.. is not taking anyone's free will.. it is a personal choice a person makes on their own behalf.. so that is ok.

Prayers is asking for something someone has asked us to pray for - or praying for ourselves.

We are not taking the free will of anyone else.

God also respects people's free will, so should we.

Umm crosses- I am not sure what you are asking there? But I personally believe that a cross is an idol.

I honestly believe we are to have NO idols (I am kind of a puritan on idols).. so I don't have a cross, myself.

Hope that is helpful.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-26   19:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: buckeroo (#96)

"What is the difference between Wicca "magic and spells" vs. Christian "beads/crosses&baptism and prayers"?"

Spell casting is much like what Chritains do by praying. All Wicca deals with is promoting the positive. it is against our religion to cast anything black or bad anyone's way.

Both actions are a human trying to dream positive things into being, or reflecting on what happens in life.

There is never anything to be gained by either religion knocking this aspect each has.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   19:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Ferret Mike (#98)

ok Mike- but this is honest and sincere- drop me a note if you want to chat. Some of the passion you see in believers is that Jesus is so beautiful and good.

We want to share that with people- ESP if He has delivered us.

Passions are fire- but people don't always have to get burned, right. :)

Take care.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-26   19:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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