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Title: Democratic Women Boycott House Contraception Hearing After Republicans Prevent Women From Testifying
Source: http://thinkprogress.org
URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/health/201 ... venting-women-from-testifying/
Published: Feb 16, 2012
Author: Igor Volsky
Post Date: 2012-02-16 15:42:35 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 38249
Comments: 90

This morning, Democrats tore into House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) for preventing women from testifying before a hearing examining the Obama administration’s new regulation requiring employers and insurers to provide contraception coverage to their employees. Republicans oppose the administration’s rule and have sponsored legislation that would allow employers to limit the availability of birth control to women.

Ranking committee member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) had asked Issa to include a female witness at the hearing, but the Chairman refused, arguing that “As the hearing is not about reproductive rights and contraception but instead about the Administration’s actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness.”

And so Cummings, along with the Democratic women on the panel, took their request to the hearing room, demanding that Issa consider the testimony of a female college student. But the California congressman insisted that the hearing should focus on the rules’ alleged infringement on “religious liberty,” not contraception coverage, and denied the request. Reps. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) and Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) walked out of the hearing in protest of his decision, citing frustration over the fact that the first panel of witnesses consisted only of male religious leaders against the rule. Holmes Norton said she will not return, calling Issa’s chairmanship an “autocratic regime.”

Watch a compilation of the heated exchange:

ky on Feb 16, 2012 at 10:52 am

This morning, Democrats tore into House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) for preventing women from testifying before a hearing examining the Obama administration’s new regulation requiring employers and insurers to provide contraception coverage to their employees. Republicans oppose the administration’s rule and have sponsored legislation that would allow employers to limit the availability of birth control to women.

Ranking committee member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) had asked Issa to include a female witness at the hearing, but the Chairman refused, arguing that “As the hearing is not about reproductive rights and contraception but instead about the Administration’s actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness.”

And so Cummings, along with the Democratic women on the panel, took their request to the hearing room, demanding that Issa consider the testimony of a female college student. But the California congressman insisted that the hearing should focus on the rules’ alleged infringement on “religious liberty,” not contraception coverage, and denied the request. Reps. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) and Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) walked out of the hearing in protest of his decision, citing frustration over the fact that the first panel of witnesses consisted only of male religious leaders against the rule. Holmes Norton said she will not return, calling Issa’s chairmanship an “autocratic regime.”

Watch a compilation of the heated exchange:

A picture of the witness table:

Issa also dismissed the Democrats’ woman witness as a “college student’ who does not “have the appropriate credentials” to testify before his committee. (1 image)

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#51. To: mininggold (#48)

So instead we need to tax it as the corporate entity that it really is. It should not be allowed to have it both ways.

Taxing the church would save it from hypocrisy at least in that.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-17   12:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#19)

"Did you even read your own article?"

LOL! You can't even read the header to see who posted this. No wonder you can't hear people's positions on issues.

I am for contraceptive use precisely because abortion is not a good way to deal with pregnancy.

Women and men need to use the appropriate means to prevent pregnancy if they do not wish to have kids at a specific period in their lives or ever.

If a woman is pregnant and that pregnancy does not endanger her life, she should go to term and either keep the child, or give it up for adoption. If she was raped, she should have the right to abort if it endangers her mental health to deal with the child that would come from this act of extreme violence commited against her.

Also, it is just as appropriate for the man to have a vasectomy as it is for her to have her tubes tied if no children are desired.

That is not how you view things, but stop being an asshole and telling me what my position on abortion is.

I view you as an extremist of the variety that keeps resolution of this issue impossible because you don't know how to work out a balanced approach to the issue that arrives at a resolution everyone can live with.

I also have seen nothing in your position that takes the woman's perspective into consideration, just a fervent desire for you to legislate things so the woman has no say in the matter, and must allow males complete control of their rights and future.

As for bringing my position of the right for all to marry or have the sort of sexual relationship they wish with consenting adults into the discussion on this issue; that is just indicative of how malicious and hatefully you are in desiring to control everyone around you with your extremist, intolerant and hateful attitudes.

You need to grow up and realize people have rights, and they are not the only ones who need to compromise in crafting solutions to social issues; you must too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-17   13:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#51)

"Taxing the church would save it from hypocrisy at least in that."

I agree. Many religious entities can't bring themselves to stay out of the political arena, which is fine; as long as they pay taxes and thus pay their way in a society they want to have a political say in.

I agree with you whole heartedly.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-17   13:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold (#45)

It was a joke, son. Aspirin has always been OTC.

I know that I was being facetious......

It was old joke that holding an aspirin between your knees would stop you from getting pregnant.....

I think I'm probably being facetious more than you realize.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-17   17:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lucysmom (#50)

Doing the right thing - what a laugh! The Church would rather see a woman dead than using contraception. Not only is a woman having an abortion guilty of murder, but also a woman who prevents conception is guilty of the murder of a baby never conceived according to the church.

I wasn't referring to the church, I was referring to using the excuse of being married as to why some women have sex when they shouldn't.... like your friend..

If those people who attend the Catholic church want to practice that then all I can say is they've made their bed and they can sleep in it.... As far as I'm concerned they should use some common sense before blindly following what others tell them they should be doing....

But then again not all people have common sense.... hence the number of abortions performed in this country.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-17   18:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: CZ82 (#55)

If those people who attend the Catholic church want to practice that then all I can say is they've made their bed and they can sleep in it.... As far as I'm concerned they should use some common sense before blindly following what others tell them they should be doing....

If Catholic men and women choose to follow the dictates of an old man living in the Vatican, that's their business. What I object to is the Catholic church entering politics, abusing their tax free status, and trying to force their convoluted morality on the rest of us.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-17   21:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lucysmom, CZ82 (#56)

Catholic church .... trying to force their convoluted morality on the rest of us

The Catholic church has no problem with you choosing the highway to hell, have at it!

Your representation of the Catholic position is BS.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-17   21:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: hondo68 (#57)

Your representation of the Catholic position is BS.

My representation of the Catholic position is quoted from Catholics.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-17   21:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lucysmom, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#58)

quoted from Catholics.

Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden don't really qualify as Catholics, IMO.

Sure there are a few rotten Catholics around, not surprised that you value their opinions.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-17   22:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lucysmom (#56)

What I object to is the Catholic church entering politics, abusing their tax free status, and trying to force their convoluted morality on the rest of us.

Why are you afraid of the Catholic Church????? (Or any church for that matter).... What can they really do to harm you???? Convince people to "HAVE" morals and family values!!!!!

You should be way more afraid of the people you vote for, they're the dangerous ones..... They're proving to be what is destroying this country not the church.... They have no morals or family values and they are forceably pushing their Bullchit immorality agenda onto the people of this country, whether they like it or not!!!!

Freedom isn't free there is always a price to be paid for it, whether you like it or not.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   8:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: CZ82 (#60)

trying to force their convoluted morality on the rest of us.

She thinks killing babies is a virtue. It is the highest honor for a libtard.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   8:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#61)

She thinks killing babies is a virtue. It is the highest honor for a libtard.

www.rushlimbaugh.com/dail...ongresswoman_gwendolynne_ moore_pregnancy_is_a_disease

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   10:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#61)

She thinks killing babies is a virtue.

You prefer the tortured slow death of exposure to the elements and starvation for little children.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-18   10:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: CZ82 (#60)

Why are you afraid of the Catholic Church????? (Or any church for that matter).... What can they really do to harm you???? Convince people to "HAVE" morals and family values!!!!!

Only as long as you don't copy the examples they set. Usually their vows of poverty, chastity and morality are the first to go. Most of the time they are only fit for showing an example of how to be a hypocrite.

But I can see why conservatives love to brag that they are good church going folk, as it's just another in a long line of scams they indulge in.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   10:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: CZ82 (#60)

Why are you afraid of the Catholic Church????? (Or any church for that matter).... What can they really do to harm you???? Convince people to "HAVE" morals and family values!!!!!

You should be way more afraid of the people you vote for, they're the dangerous ones..... They're proving to be what is destroying this country not the church.... They have no morals or family values and they are forceably pushing their Bullchit immorality agenda onto the people of this country, whether they like it or not!!!!

I'd say the Catholic church and politicians are on about the same moral footing. As for pushing, they want to micro-manage your sex life while holding the threat of eternal damnation over your head for disobedience. (If priests really believed that stuff do you think they'd engage in the criminal sexual behavior that has become synonymous with the Catholic church? Do you think the church hierarchy, up to and including the pope, would cover up the crimes committed and throw the victims under the proverbial bus?) The Catholic treats family values and morality as if they are pap for the masses, not an eternal truth.

Politicians ain't got nothing on the Catholic church when it comes to "forceably pushing their Bullchit immorality agenda onto the people of this country, whether they like it or not!!!!".

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-18   10:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lucysmom (#63)

You prefer the tortured slow death of exposure to the elements and starvation for little children.

Only after they have worked for their keep in mills and sweat shops.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   10:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#66)

Only after they have worked for their keep in mills and sweat shops.

That is only if they make it past that awkward, unproductive baby stage.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-18   10:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#63)

You prefer the tortured slow death of exposure to the elements and starvation for little children.

That is what Obama voted for. You support Obama. So why do you and Obama want to starve babies after they are born?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   10:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: mininggold (#64)

Usually their vows of poverty,

That isn't biblical.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   10:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#69)

That isn't biblical.

So now you are saying that Christ was a rich man? What about that eye of the needle thing with a camel?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   10:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: A K A Stone (#68)

That is what Obama voted for. You support Obama. So why do you and Obama want to starve babies after they are born?

Yet the policies you support will create the larger proportion of starving children.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   10:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: mininggold (#70)

So now you are saying that Christ was a rich man? What about that eye of the needle thing with a camel?

Christ had a treasurer. His name was Judas.

There is nowhere in the Bible that says to take a vow of poverty. Only stupid people believe that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   10:53:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: mininggold (#71)

Yet the policies you support will create the larger proportion of starving children.

What policies would that be kook?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   10:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#68)

That is what Obama voted for. You support Obama. So why do you and Obama want to starve babies after they are born?

Hey, as long as your taxes don't increase, what do you care?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-18   10:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: A K A Stone (#73)

What policies would that be kook?

Those in which you refuse to be your brother's keeper.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   11:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#74)

Hey, as long as your taxes don't increase, what do you care?

Stone is for good government enforced prenatal care though.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   11:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: mininggold (#75)

What policies would that be kook?

Those in which you refuse to be your brother's keeper.

My brother is his own keeper. I will never apologize for not being a commie.

I am my own keeper.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   11:42:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mininggold (#76)

Stone is for good government enforced prenatal care though.

Yeah. If you try to kill your baby I think you should be dead instead of the baby.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   11:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#77)

My brother is his own keeper. I will never apologize for not being a commie.

I am my own keeper.

Then you aren't a Christian.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   12:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: mininggold (#79)

Then you aren't a Christian.

Like you would know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   12:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: A K A Stone (#80)

She sounds like she knows, but you sure don't. I put your bait the ferret thread on ignore and will do that from now on to all threads you start; just like I do HQ's. ;-)

You fester and itch with ugliness and malicious hatred. Thus you obviously would be removed by the bouncers at any gig a Jesus would run in this day and age. No mean of divided up fish and bread miracle for you, bub. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-18   12:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#80)

Like you would know.

You mock Jesus's teachings and still call yourself a Christian? Face it, the only part of the Bible you know and love are the fables of the Old Testament.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-18   13:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: lucysmom (#65)

Politicians ain't got nothing on the Catholic church when it comes to "forceably pushing their Bullchit immorality agenda onto the people of this country, whether they like it or not!!!!".

So are you afraid of them because they helped get rid of Communism in Europe or is it because they've started burning witches again?????

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   19:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: lucysmom (#65)

As for pushing, they want to micro-manage your sex life while holding the threat of eternal damnation over your head for disobedience.

So you're afraid of the Catholic church voting overwhelmingly pro-life instead of pro-abortion!!! That seems to be the latest trend doesn't it.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   19:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: mininggold (#82)

You mock Jesus's teachings and still call yourself a Christian? Face it, the only part of the Bible you know and love are the fables of the Old Testament.

Out of one breath you say I mock Jesus. Jesus quoted from the old testament moron. You calling them fables is mocking Jesus. You're not to bright.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-18   19:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: mininggold (#64)

Only as long as you don't copy the examples they set. Usually their vows of poverty, chastity and morality are the first to go. Most of the time they are only fit for showing an example of how to be a hypocrite.

So is that the reason they voted Democrat for so long????

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   19:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: CZ82 (#83)

So are you afraid of them because they helped get rid of Communism in Europe...

The Catholic church got along just fine with the Nazis.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-18   20:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: CZ82 (#84)

So you're afraid of the Catholic church voting overwhelmingly pro-life instead of pro-abortion!!!

The Catholic church does not have the right to vote.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-18   20:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: lucysmom (#88)

The Catholic church does not have the right to vote.

No, but the people who attend it do.....

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   20:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: lucysmom (#87)

The Catholic church got along just fine with the Nazis.

Well then I guess that's why they voted for Democrats for so long!!!

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-18   20:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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