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Title: Illusion Of Economic Recovery – Feelings & Facts
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URL Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33013.html
Published: Feb 7, 2012
Author: James Quinn
Post Date: 2012-02-08 17:46:31 by Capitalist Eric
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“There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as the final and total catastrophe of the currency involved.” - Ludwig von Mises

The last week has offered an amusing display of the difference between the cheerleading corporate mainstream media, lying Wall Street shills and the critical thinking analysts like Zero Hedge, Mike Shedlock, Jesse, and John Hussman. What passes for journalism at CNBC and the rest of the mainstream print and TV media is beyond laughable. Their America is all about feelings. Are we confident? Are we bullish? Are we optimistic about the future? America has turned into a giant confidence game. The governing elite spend their time spinning stories about recovery and manipulating public opinion so people will feel good and spend money. Facts are inconvenient to their storyline. The truth is for suckers. They know what is best for us and will tell us what to do and when to do it. The false storyline last week was the dramatic surge in new jobs. This fantastic news was utilized by the six banks that account for 80% of the stock market trading to propel the NASDAQ to an eleven year high and the Dow Jones to a four year high. The compliant corporate press did their part with blaring headlines of good cheer. The entire sham was designed to make Joe the Plumber pull out one of his 15 credit cards and buy a new 72 inch 3D HDTV for this weekend's Super Bowl. When you watch a CNBC talking head interviewing a Wall Street shyster realize you have the 1% interviewing the .01% about how great things are. What you most certainly did not hear from the MSM is that the NASDAQ is still down 42% from its 2000 high of 5,048. None of the brain dead twits on CNBC pointed out the S&P 500 is trading at the exact same level it reached on April 8, 1999. Twelve or thirteen years of zero or negative returns are meaningless when a story needs to be sold. On Friday the hyperbole utilized by the media mouthpieces was off the charts, leading to an all-out brawl between the critical thinking blogosphere and the non-thinking ”professionals” spouting the government sanctioned propaganda. Accusations flew back and forth about who was misinterpreting the data. I found it hysterical that anyone would debate the accuracy of BLS (Bureau of Lies & Swindles) data. The drones at this government propaganda agency relentlessly massage the data until they achieve a happy ending. They use a birth/death model to create jobs out of thin air, later adjusting those phantom jobs away in a press release on a Friday night. They create new categories of Americans to pretend they aren't really unemployed. They use more models to make adjustments for seasonality. Then they make massive one-time adjustments for the Census. Essentially, you can conclude that anything the BLS reports on a monthly basis is a wild ass guess, massaged to present the most optimistic view of the world. The government preferred unemployment rate of 8.3% is a terrible joke and the MSM dutifully spouts this drivel to a zombie-like public. If the governing elite were to report the truth, the public would realize we are in the midst of a 2nd Great Depression.

The unemployment rate during the Great Depression reached 25%. Without the BLS “adjustments” the real unemployment rate in this country is 23%. Cheerleading and packaging the data in a way to mislead the public does not change the facts:

  • There are 242 million working age Americans. Only 142 million Americans are working. For the math challenged, such as CNBC analysts, that means 100 million working age Americans (41.5%) are not working. But don't worry, the BLS says the unemployment rate is only 8.3%. Things are going so swimmingly well in this country the other 33.2% are kicking back enjoying the good life.
  • The labor force participation rate and employment to population ratio are at 30 year lows. The number of Americans supposedly not in the labor force is at an all-time record of 87.9 million. A corporate MSM pundit like Steve Liesman would explain this away as the Baby Boomers beginning to retire. Great storyline, but the facts prove that old timers are so desperate for cash they have dramatically increased their participation in the labor market.

  • The data being dished out by the government on a daily basis does not pass the smell test. The working age population since 2000 has grown by 30 million people. The number of people working has grown by only 4.7 million. A critical thinker would conclude the unemployment rate should be dramatically higher than the reported 8.3%. But the government falsely reports the labor force has only increased by 11.8 million in the last eleven years. They have the gall to report that 17.9 million Americans just decided to leave the workforce. The economy was booming in 2000. It sucks today. Don't more people need jobs when times are tougher? The Boomers retiring storyline has already proven to be false. The fact that 46 million (15% of total population) people are on food stamps is a testament to the BLS lie. A look at history proves how badly the current figures reek to high heaven:
    • 2000 to 2011 - Not in Labor Force increased by 17.9 million.
    • 1990's - Not in Labor Force increased by 5 million.
    • 1980's - Not in Labor Force increased by 1.7 million.
    The Not in the Labor Force category is utilized to hide how bad the employment situation in this country really is. They conclude that 17 million out of 38 million Americans between the ages of 16 and 24 are not in the labor force. That is complete bullshit. From the time I turned 16, I worked. Everyone I knew worked. I worked through high school and college. It is a lie that 45% of these people don't want a job. If you dig into their data, you realize the horrific state of employment in this country:
    • 74% of 16 to 19 year olds are not employed
    • 85% of black 16 to 19 year olds are not employed
    • 31% of black 25 to 54 year old men are not employed
    • 40% of 20 to 24 year olds are not employed
    • 22% of 25 to 29 year old males are not employed
    • 22% of 50 to 54 year old males are not employed
    • According to the BLS, 11% of men between 25 and 54 are not in the labor force
Not only is real unemployment at Depressionary levels, but those that do have jobs are falling further and further behind. Wages have gone up less than 2% in the last year and have been rising at an annual rate below 3% for the last four years. According to our friends at the BLS, inflation has risen 3% in the last year. This is almost as ludicrous as their unemployment rate. Anyone living in the real world, as opposed to the BLS model world, knows that inflation on the things we need to live has been rising in excess of 10%. It is a fact that if you measure CPI exactly as it was measured in 1980, at the outset of our great debt inflation, it exceeds 10% versus the fake 3% reported without question by the MSM to a non-thinking public. A poor schmuck making the median salary of $25,000 who gets a 2% raise thinks he has $500 more to spend when in reality he has lost $2,000 of purchasing power. Federal Reserve created inflation is an insidious hidden tax that destroys the 99%, while enriching the 1%.

Until Debt Do Us Part “Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein

The recovery storyline being touted by the oligarchy of politicians, bankers and media is designed to make consumers feel better. This is a key part of their master plan. Any honest assessment of the financial disaster that struck in 2008 would conclude it was caused by too much debt peddled to too many people incapable of paying it back, too few banks having too much power, the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates too low for too long, and that same Federal Reserve doing too little regulating of the Too Big To Fail Wall Street mega-banks. I wonder what Albert Einstein would think about the “solutions” rolled out to fix our debt problem. Would he find it insane that total credit market debt has actually risen to an all-time high of $53.8 trillion, up $533 billion from the previous 2008 peak? Our leaders have added $6.1 trillion to our National Debt in the last four years, a mere 66% increase. This unprecedented level of borrowing certainly did not benefit the American people, as real GDP has risen by $96 billion, or 0.7%, over the last four years. Would Einstein find it insane that the governing elite would encourage the 4 biggest banks, that were the main culprits in creating a worldwide financial collapse, to actually get bigger. The largest banks in the U.S. now control 72% of all the deposits in the country versus 68.5% in 2008. The Too Big To Fail are now Too Bigger To Fail. Rather than liquidating the bad debts, breaking up the insolvent banks, selling off the good assets to well-run banks, firing the executives, and wiping out the shareholders & bondholders foolish enough to invest in these badly run casinos, the powers that be chose to protect their fellow .01% brethren and throw the 99% under the bus. Ben Bernanke, in conjunction with Tim Geithner and his masters on Wall Street, implemented a zero interest rate policy designed to enrich the Wall Street banks, force investors into the stock market, and encourage Americans to borrow and spend like it was 2005 again. Rather than accepting that our economy has been warped for decades, with over-consumption utilizing debt as the driving force, and allowing a reset, the Federal Reserve insanely encouraging banks and consumers to do the same thing again. We do know Bernanke has stolen $450 billion of interest income going to savers and senior citizens and handed it to Jamie Dimon, Vikrim Pandit, Lloyd Blankfein and the rest of the Wall Street cabal. The “austerity is bad” storyline is pounded home on a daily basis by the politicians, corporate chieftains, Wall Street billionaires, and MSM pundits. The definition of austere is “practicing great self-denial”. Did you see the mob scenes on Black Friday? Americans are incapable of any self-denial, let alone great self-denial, and the masters of our country will not allow it to happen. One look at our GDP figures confirms the non-austerity occurring in this country. In 2007, prior to the collapse, consumer spending accounted for 69.7% of GDP. Today, consumer spending accounts for 71% of GDP, with investment accounting for 12.7% of GDP. In the good old days of 1979 prior to the epic debt bubble, when the financial industry do not run this country, consumer spending accounted for 62% of GDP and investment accounted for 19% of GDP. What an insane concept. You spend less than you make and save the difference. You then invest that money where you can get a reasonable return (.15% in a money market account is not exactly reasonable). As Ludwig von Mises pointed out, a false boom created by credit expansion will ultimately collapse. We had the chance in 2008 - 2009 to voluntarily abandon the Wall Street induced credit expansion and allow our country to reset. The pain and misery would have been great, especially for the 1% who own most of the stocks, bonds and peddle the debt to the ignorant masses. As you can see in the chart below, the powers that be need debt per employed American to grow at an ever increasing rate to maintain their power and wealth. The miniscule reduction in debt from 2009 to 2011 was unacceptable. The governing powers will not be satisfied until von Mises' final currency catastrophe is achieved. Bernanke and his Wall Street puppet masters' plan is actually quite simple. It's essentially a confidence game. A confidence game (also known as a con, flim-flam, gaffle, grift, hustle, scam, scheme, or swindle) is an attempt to defraud a group by gaining their confidence. The people who commit such tricks are often known as con men, con artists, or grifters. The con man often works with one or more accomplices called shills, who help manipulate the mark into accepting the con man's plan. In a traditional confidence game, the mark is led to believe that he will be able to win money or some other prize by doing some task. The accomplices may pretend to be random strangers who have benefited from successfully performing the task. Bernanke and the 1% are the con men. They are attempting to defraud the 99% by convincing them their “solutions” will benefit them. The shills acting as accomplices are Wall Street bankers, bought off economists, politicians, journalists, and mainstream media pundits. You are the mark. The game has multiple facets but is based on more freely flowing low interest easy debt. The con man has reduced interest rates to zero at the behest of his puppet masters. The Wall Street accomplices offer enticing financing to the marks for big ticket items like automobiles, furniture and electronics. As the marks go further into debt, the Wall Street shills report record earnings ($26 billion from loan loss reserve accounting entries), consumer spending rises and GDP goes higher. The mainstream media accomplices dutifully report an improving economy. The government accomplices massage the employment and inflation data and declare a jobs recovery with no inflation. The marks are supposed to feel better about the future and spend even more borrowed money. This is what is considered a self-sustaining recovery by the psychopaths running this country. All you have to do is open your daily paper to see the confidence game in full display. Last week the MSM reported another surge in automobile sales. Our beloved American automobile manufacturers are back baby!!! Automobile sales are now pacing above 14 million on an annual basis. This is up from the depths of the recession in 2009 when the annual rate was below 10 million. We've breached the Cash For Clunkers level and there is nowhere to go but up. The storyline is that Obama was right to save GM and Chrysler with your tax dollars. They are now making splendid vehicles (except for the exploding Chevy Volts) and employing millions of Americans. This is a true American comeback success story. Clint Eastwood should do a commercial about it. There is one little problem with this storyline. It's bullshit. Remember GMAC? You bailed them out when all their subprime auto and mortgage loans went bad in 2009. They have a brand new business plan. Change your name to Ally Bank and start making as many subprime auto loans as possible. You will be happy to know that according to Experian, 45% of all auto loans being made today are to subprime borrowers. What could possibly go wrong? In addition, the average loan term has grown to almost 6 years. Executives at Ally Financial said that subprime car lending had become “very attractive” because profit margins on the loans more than cover the cost of expected losses from borrowers who fail to repay what they owe. I'm sure they have everything completely under control. Gina Proia, a company spokeswoman, said the company places “greater emphasis on the higher end of the nonprime spectrum” and only lends to people who show they can pay. I can't believe they are restricting their loans to only people who they think can pay. I'm surprised Obama isn't condemning them for such restrictive loan terms. If you open your paper to the auto section you will see financing offers of $0 down-payment, and 0% interest for 7 years across the board on most models. But why buy, when you can lease a luxury automobile for $300 per month? It is simply amazing how many vehicles you can “sell” when “credit challenged” Americans can rent them for seven years. I wonder if this explains why I see dozens of $40,000 luxury autos parked in front of $25,000 dilapidated hovels during my daily commute through West Philadelphia. It also seems the Big Three are “selling” a few extra vehicles to their dealers in January as pointed out by Zero Hedge. No need to let a few facts get in the way of a feel good story.

  • Ford month-end inventory 86-day supply at end of Jan. (492k vehicles) vs 60-day supply (466k) as of Dec. 31
  • Chrysler had 83-day supply (349k units) end of Jan. vs 64-day (326k units) as of Dec. 31
  • GM month-end inventory 89-day supply (619k units) vs 67-day supply (583k) Dec. 31
The facts prove the issuance of billions in easy credit is creating the illusion of recovery. Non- revolving (auto & student loans) consumer credit outstanding is now at an all-time high of $1.7 trillion. Even with billions in bad debt write-offs since 2009 the amount outstanding has risen by $100 billion. Does this sound like austerity is gripping the nation? The Federal government is dishing out student loans like candy, as hundreds of thousands of students get worthless degrees from for-profit diploma mills like the University of Phoenix and its ilk. By keeping them occupied in school, the government is able to keep them in the Not in the Labor Force category. Not to be outdone, our friends at GE Capital, Wells Fargo and the other too big to fail entities have been doing their part on the revolving credit side of the scam. I've recently been seeing an ad by the largest U.S. furniture retailer, Ashley Furniture, offering 0% interest with no payments for 7 years. I don't know about you, but my kids destroy a couch in less than 7 years. Wells Fargo Credit doesn't seem too worried. A critical thinker might ask, how can Wells Fargo possibly make money offering these terms? But there is the rub. Ben Bernanke is loaning Wells Fargo money at 0% so they can perpetuate the confidence game. These insane bankers truly believe they can kick start this moribund debt saturated economy by issuing billions more in debt to people incapable of repaying them. Einstein would be amused.

The McKinsey Group put out a report a couple weeks ago analyzing the amount of American household debt and optimistically concluding that it could be back on a sustainable path by 2013. Mike Shedlock pointed out that sustainable is in the eye of the beholder. It seems the bright fellows at McKinsey haven't grasped the concept of regression to the mean. First of all their analysis is flawed because real disposable personal income is actually declining and Ben Bernanke's master scam is working and Americans are now adding to their household debt. The little blue line has turned upwards since they gathered their data. Secondly, as Mish so accurately points out, the sustainable level of household debt is really at the levels prior to the debt bubble that began in the early 1980s. That is a debt level of approximately 70% of disposable personal income, as opposed to the current level of 110%. The implications of household debt levels regressing to their long-term mean would be catastrophic to the 1%. Their kingdom of debt would come crashing down. Their power and wealth would be swept away. This is why it is so vital for them to create the illusion of recovery. Their confidence game is built upon an ever increasing flow of credit expansion. It will not work. There is no avoiding the final collapse of a boom created solely by credit expansion. Those in power will never voluntarily relinquish their grand game of pillaging the wealth of the nation, so economic collapse will be the ultimate result. They will continue to use propaganda, printing presses, and half-truths to further their agenda. But those who examine the facts will come to a logical conclusion that we are being sold a great lie.

“Half the truth is often a great lie.” - Benjamin Franklin (10 images)

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

The implications of household debt levels regressing to their long-term mean would be catastrophic to the 1%. Their kingdom of debt would come crashing down. Their power and wealth would be swept away. This is why it is so vital for them to create the illusion of recovery.

Good, you're getting there. And the above WILL/IS happening...

Like the Mish quotes near the end....8D LMFAO

"Secondly, as Mish so accurately points out, the sustainable level of household debt is really at the levels prior to the debt bubble that began in the early 1980s. That is a debt level of approximately 70% of disposable personal income, as opposed to the current level of 110%."

And the Credit 'expansion' is merely 49 year olds getting $12 000 student loans to re tool....big mistake.

You tell these people that massive drone attacks, &/or attacking Iran will make their lives better, they're ALL on board.

But this works for the state only until it doesn't.

The Fifth Fleet lies at the bottom of the Persian Gulf, Ras Tanura's in flames, Dimona's doin' a Fukushima, the pipeline across the Arabian Peninsula's destroyed, no oil moving past Hormuz....Non Linear meets Dragon King. :roll:

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

mish:

There are currently 132,409,000 nonfarm employees. In December of 2000 there were 132,481,000 employees. How's that for job growth?

Retraining Scam

Job retraining is scam perpetrated by for-profit universities, fueled by statements from Obama regarding re-training people for new jobs.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2) (Edited)

PEr yesterday's Weekly Petroleum Usage Report

Total fuel demand fell 0.5 percent to 17.6 million barrels a day, the lowest level since 1999.

YEAH!!!

We're becoming Energy Independent!!! 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3) (Edited)

And you'll hear the above from USSAtv right before this:

"The Sunburn is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world, designed to fly as low as 9 feet above ground/water at more than 1,500 miles per hour (mach 2+). The missile uses a violent pop-up maneuver for its terminal approach to throw off Phalanx and other U.S. anti-missile defense systems. Given their low cost, they’re perfectly suited for close quarter naval conflict in the bathtub-like Persian Gulf.

O, and has a throw weight of a VW Beetle...the shock wave alone will destroy a carrier.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

"The Sunburn is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world,

I'll have to research this one a bit.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-02-09   10:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#5) (Edited)

"The Sunburn is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world..."

I'll have to research this one a bit.

I had a really bad sunburn which prevented me from going to the Boyscout Jamboree in Valley Forge the year so many attending scouts contracted Polio.

Some sunburns are anti-lethal.

www.raytheon.com/capabili...groups/public/documents/c ontent/cms01_055726.pdf

harrowup  posted on  2012-02-09   10:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: harrowup (#6)

I had a really bad sunburn which prevented me from going to the Boyscout Jamboree in Valley Forge the year so many attending scouts contracted Polio.

Some sunburns are anti-lethal.

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)

take a look at Raytheon's SeaRam (above)

harrowup  posted on  2012-02-09   10:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Fred Mertz (#5)

I'll have to research this one a bit.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:51:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9) (Edited)

The massive Moskit/SS-N-22 Sunburn is available in ship, sub and air launch versions, the latter compatible with the Su-30 and Su-32FN/34 Flanker variants. This Mach 2 ASCM is carried by the PLA-N's four Sovremennyy class DDGs, each of which is armed with 8 rounds (Rosvooruzheniye).

The Raduga 3M-80, 3M-82 and Kh-41 Moskit

The Raduga 3M-80, 3M-82 and Kh-41 Moskit (SS-N-22 Sunburn) are all variants of the same 4.5 tonne supersonic rocket-ramjet missile. This weapon is the primary armament of the 956E Sovremennyy class destroyer used by China and is credited with a range between 50 and 120 nautical miles.

Unlike subsonic Western anti-ship missiles such as the Harpoon and Exocet, the Moskit is a supersonic sea-skimmer. It can be programmed to fly a high altitude trajectory at Mach 3, or a sea-skimming trajectory at Mach 2.2. If the sea skimming mode is chosen, the missile will be first detected by a warship under attack when it emerges over the horizon at a distance of about 15 to 25 nautical miles. This provides the defences on the ship with about 25-60 seconds of warning time before impact. Moreover the speed of the Moskit makes it a challenging target for many shipboard defences.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mcgowanjm (#9)

Thanks I read a bit about it. The old cliche seems to apply - game changer wrt to the Sunburn and Iran.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-02-09   10:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

Thanks I read a bit about it. The old cliche seems to apply - game changer wrt to the Sunburn and Iran.

We should just tie our carriers up now.

And the Russians have a torpedo that produces a 'bubble' in front of it, so that it can travel at supersonic speed underwater.

The more advanced 3M-54E combines the subsonic cruise airframe of the 3M-54E1/3M-14E with a Mach 2.9 rocket propelled guided payload. Like its subsonic sibling, it approaches from under the horizon using the same radar seeker to detect its target. Once locked on, it discards the cruise airframe, fires its rocket motor, and accelerates to Mach 2.9 at a sea skimming altitude of 15 feet. Novator claim the missile follows a zig-zag flightpath to defeat defences.

Both the 3M-54E1 and 3M-54E are small weapons which are difficult to detect on radar, especially should even basic radar signature reduction techniques be applied to them. The use of a bandpass radome and minimal absorbent coatings could push the weapon's head on radar cross section down to that of a large grapefruit (Refer Knott, Schaeffer & Tuley, Radar Cross Section, Ch.14).

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-09   10:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: harrowup (#8)

take a look at Raytheon's SeaRam (above)

The Russians are way ahead on maneuvering sea skimming missiles.

And it doesn't matter now, even as the USSA is frantic to catch up.

ALL of our Navy is now engaged in the ability to control ALL airspace within 300 Klicks of the shoreline.

The Moskvit/Yakhont negates ALL of the Navy. Any ship can and will be destroyed hours into the conflict.

Carriers might as well tie up at their port of choice.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-10   9:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: All (#13)

On January 23rd, the Obama administration charged former CIA officer John Kiriakou under the Espionage Act for disclosing classified information to journalists about the waterboarding of al-Qaeda suspects. His is just the latest prosecution in an unprecedented assault on government whistleblowers and leakers of every sort.

Kiriakou’s plight will clearly be but one more battle in a broader war to ensure that government actions and sunshine policies don’t go together. By now, there can be little doubt that government retaliation against whistleblowers is not an isolated event, nor even an agency-by-agency practice. The number of cases in play suggests an organized strategy to deprive Americans of knowledge of the more disreputable things that their government does.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-10   9:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

Aweful quiet here this AM.

Everyone must be getting ready for the Arctic freeze or just enjoying the remarkable recovery of the USSA.

It's afternoon in Amerika! Nap time!!!! ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-10   10:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mcgowanjm (#14)

By now, there can be little doubt that government retaliation against whistleblowers is not an isolated event, nor even an agency-by-agency practice. The number of cases in play suggests an organized strategy to deprive Americans of knowledge of the more disreputable things that their government does.

Ain't that the truth.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-02-10   10:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

Any ship can and will be destroyed hours into the conflict.

Carriers might as well tie up at their port of choice.

From Salamis to Trafalgar to Midway surprise and stealth have both bedeviled and enhanced the eventual outcome of naval warfare.

While I agree that carriers are obsolete one has to hope that countermeasures are available that are not in the public view.

What is USSA?

harrowup  posted on  2012-02-10   11:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#15)

Aweful quiet here this AM.

Yes it is. I'm going shopping soon.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-02-10   12:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

The Moskvit/Yakhont negates ALL of the Navy. Any ship can and will be destroyed hours into the conflict.

Really...? (((shaking head in disgust)))

You clearly don't know diddley shit about naval tactics.

Ever heard of 688 boats? You know, the submarines that can launch Tomahawk missiles?

Ring any bells, genius...?

You're an idiot.

To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, loonymom/ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Piss off.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-11   2:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)

Hey Super Duper Military tactician!

LMFAO

Hope your Commanding Masters have more brains than you, but, sadly, I think not.

The PROBLEM is not that we can win the battle.

The PROBLEM is that WE have the EMPIRE. WE have to make sure 25% of the World's OIL passes thru Hormuz.

That Ras Tanura, the World's Largest Refinery is not in flames.

That the Afghans aren't instantly cut off.

That our Carriers aren't 50 Klicks from 100's of Sea skimming cruise missiles, an y ONE of which gets thru will completely disable and/or sink said carrier.

And that's just the start.

Dimona/Bushehr get hit and the Region's Oil Fields will be Fukushima'd...;}

You stupid F uck...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-12   9:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mcgowanjm (#20)

Trying to divert away from the fact that you just made an ass out of yourself?

Pssssst.

It didn't work.

To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, loonymom/ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Piss off.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-12   23:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Capitalist Eric (#21) (Edited)

According to the Times, the 48-year-old Davis had written an 84-page unclassified report, as well as a classified report, offering his assessment of the decade-long war. That assessment is essentially that the war has been a disaster and the military’s top brass has not leveled with the American public about just how badly it’s been going. “How many more men must die in support of a mission that is not succeeding?” Davis boldly asks in an article summarizing his views in The Armed Forces Journal.

On how you can tell NORAD/SS/cheney-both hubby &wife/mossad did 9/11.

Everything made a cause of revenge abject failure....;}

Capitalist Eric(#19)

Hey Super Duper Military tactician!

LMFAO

Hope your Commanding Masters have more brains than you, but, sadly, I think not.

The PROBLEM is not that we can win the battle.

The PROBLEM is that WE have the EMPIRE. WE have to make sure 25% of the World's OIL passes thru Hormuz.

That Ras Tanura, the World's Largest Refinery is not in flames.

That the Afghans aren't instantly cut off.

That our Carriers aren't 50 Klicks from 100's of Sea skimming cruise missiles, an y ONE of which gets thru will completely disable and/or sink said carrier.

And that's just the start.

Dimona/Bushehr get hit and the Region's Oil Fields will be Fukushima'd...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-13   9:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)

Davis last month submitted the unclassified report –titled “Dereliction of Duty II: Senior Military Leader’s Loss of Integrity Wounds Afghan War Effort” – for an internal Army review. Such a report could then be released to the public. However, according to U.S. military officials familiar with the situation, the Pentagon is refusing to do so. Rolling Stone has now obtained a full copy of the 84-page unclassified version, which has been making the rounds within the U.S. government, including the White House. We’ve decided to publish it in full; it’s well worth reading for yourself. It is, in my estimation, one of the most significant documents published by an active-duty officer in the past ten years.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-13   9:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#23)

Abd just WTF are we doing fighting on the SAME SIDE as Al Qaida?

LMFAO

Must be confusing for IsraeliFirsters.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-13   9:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mcgowanjm (#23)

Rolling Stone has now obtained a full copy of the 84-page unclassified version,

Oh boy, this will get interesting although an 84 page report might cause headaches at home;^)

After ten years...someone tries to get the truth out.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-02-13   10:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Fred Mertz (#25)

After ten years...someone tries to get the truth out.

Someone, high enough in the military, who couldn't be labeled psycho, or Enemy of the State....big difference,

cause us Dirty Fuckin Hippies have said we're going to lose the afghans, since we were also saying that 9/11 was Made in America....;}

Get your cheap heroin now, cause those record crops are about to be in the past....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-02-13   10:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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