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Title: Worldnetdaily Founder Joseph Farah Promotes Rubio Ineligibility Argument
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URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... s-rubio-ineligibility-argument
Published: Feb 2, 2012
Author: Alicia M. Cohn
Post Date: 2012-02-02 13:02:22 by Brian S
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Views: 12464
Comments: 33
By Alicia M. Cohn - 02/01/12 01:08 PM ET Conservative Joseph Farah on Tuesday evening predicted that “10 percent of the Republican vote” would fail to get behind Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) as the hypothetical vice presidential nominee because they will believe the circumstances of his birth make him ineligible. Farah has been one of the most prominent and persistent voices of the so-called “birther” movement, which argues that President Obama is not eligible to be president of the United States due to doubts about his birthplace and the citizenship of his parents. Farah’s objection to Rubio might serve as a rallying cry to voters convinced that Obama’s presidency is illegal according to the rules set out in the Constitution. “Rubio is not eligible,” Farah told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “He’ll lose 10 percent of the Republican vote because he is not a natural-born citizen. We’ve been through this with Obama now for four years.” Rubio was born in Miami in 1971. Farah’s argument against Rubio’s “natural born” status relies on a strict definition also used by Farah and others who raised doubts over Obama’s eligibility. The strict definition requires that both parents be legal citizens at the time of the birth. Rubio’s parents became naturalized citizens in 1975, but were permanent legal residents of the United States when Rubio was born, according to Rubio’s office. Rubio’s official biography has already been scrutinized, due to questions over the date his parents arrived in the United States as Cuban exiles. Farah’s website, World Net Daily, is now reporting on the potential controversy under the category “Certifigate.” The website first raised the question in May, but Farah raising the issue in a national television appearance could be a signal of things to come should Rubio appear on the Republican presidential ticket later this year. “You want to open that can of worms again?” Farah warned. Last April, Obama released his own long-form birth certificate, which proved his birth in Hawaii, in an effort to silence persistent accusations that he wasn’t born in the United States. Rubio, who is popular with both conservatives and Hispanic voters, continues to come up as the most likely possibility for the vice presidential slot, and each of the front-runners for the GOP nomination have consistently raised his name as part of their prospective “short list” for vice presidential candidates. Rubio has said he does not expect to be asked to join the ticket, but also maintains he will do anything he can to support the nominee.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
From HERE, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed this in 1866: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”* When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural- born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father. Yes, birth is prima facie evidence of citizenship, but only the citizenship of the nation the father is a member. * Temporary sojourners like transient aliens were a description applied to aliens other than resident aliens. The difference being temporary aliens were here for temporary purposes, such as work, travel, visitation or school, who had no desire to become citizens or was prevented from becoming citizens by law. Resident aliens were those who desired to become citizens and had renounced their prior allegiances and had taken the legal steps to become citizens or reside within some state per state law. If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
Remarkable how none of you Berfers are able to cite just ONE relevant US law that supports your *belief*...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Shhhhh. Like babies they need a pacifier.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Marco Rubio/Raul Castro 2012?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
To: edge919 << “He was not being sued.” >> Semantics. This was all started by a lawsuit, yes? << “He was being subpoenaed for evidence and for testimony related directly to his candidacy for office. The only appeal he can file is with the state superior court, which he is NOT going to do.” >> He doesn't have to appeal in state court at all. He can simply ignore the whole mess then - if the state tries to keep him off the ballot - sue the state in Federal court. << “He is better off cutting his losses in this state and trying to marginalize the outcome of the hearing through his typical Alinsky tactics, and hope to high hell this isn’t repeated in all 57 states.” >> I don't see how you can reach that conclusion. No candidate with a brain is going to support that strategy. Concede states in a Presidential election? Silly. Other than a loss in Federal court, there appears to be no downside for him to simply ignore this. The USSC overruled the Florida Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore. You have to keep that precedent foremost in your mind if you want to understand how Obama is reacting tactically to this. If Georgia announces some adverse impact to Obama from all this, then you can expect a hurried Obama appeal to the Supremes. The real interesting aspect here is that this would force the Supremes to review the “Natural Born Citizen” issue for the first time. Wouldn't it be interesting if they decided that Obama didn't qualify for NBC status? What would happen then? Would he be removed as President? Would 2012 be Romney vs. Biden? I'd pay to see that. It would be a fascinating news cycle. 23 posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 07:59:38 by omnidroid
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
How does that work, exactly? What is the main function of the VP? How can someone be VP if they can't be POTUS. The answer is, they can't, and, as always, you're totally full of shit. I won't even bother to comment on the moronic birther blather in this idiotic Farah wet dream.
I believe 2nd class status should apply only for those of you who refuse to renounce your allegiance and citizenship status to a foreign country.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
How can someone be VP if they can't be POTUS. The answer is, they can't, and, as always, you're totally full of shit. I won't even bother to comment on the moronic birther blather in this idiotic Farah wet dream. Thinking things out to their logical conclusion is not in Eric's scope of practice.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
For citizen there is no 2nd class ! Only for profession - work - office - driving - airplanes !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Obongo has never renounced his allegiance to the Queen, and even went to Buckingham Palace to grovel in submission. Manchelle groped her majesty for good measure. By your standard Joe Biden is president, bad news for us all.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Queen Elizabeth has no bearing on people born in Hawaii.
His daddy was a British bloke, which is why Obongo prays facing mecca half the time and buckingham palace the other half.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
What is the main function of the VP? How can someone be VP if they can't be POTUS. The answer is, they can't... Wow... Your powers of observation are *amazing!* < /sarc > as always, you're totally full of shit. As always, you're a day late and a dollar short. The funny part is, you actually think you said something *intelligent.* You're just another bozo, who would rather die than think. Bye, bozo.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
SB: The Infamous WorldNutsDaily Insane Founder Farah Promotes Rubio Ineligibility Argument Thank you Moderator X, I know there is a lot going on while you are evaluating the various posts 24/7/365 here on LF. This is a very busy chit-chat forum. You have a lot to do while A K A Stone is away working on a roof-top making some chump-change. Still, this is an important title change request. Please handle this issue ASAP ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡
World Nut Daily is an "end of days", "Christian" dispensationalist, neo-con, war mongering, conspiratorial lunatic site. The only reason that they haven't been cast out of the conservative movement with David Duke and the John Birch Society is that their lunacy is pro-Israel. No one with any sense at all should be listening to these nuts.
For those of you who are not crazy: The only people within U.S. borders who are NOT subject to our jurisdiction are foreign diplomats. THE CONSTITUTION: Section 1, Article 2 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President... 14th Amendment to the Consitution All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. US Code Title 8 Section 1401: The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property; (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person; (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States; (e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person; (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. Romney, Rubio, McCain, etc. are all U.S. Citizens. Joseph Farah is a lunatic, trying to incite Armageddon. No one should listen to him.
Well, I'd take a look at Raul, indeed! ;)
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Okay, You're now on my lunatic list.
Dude, I generally agree with you on economics, but you are really out to lunch on this, big time. Please don't associate yourself with the loons at World Nut Daily. I actually don't like Rubio. He's another neo-con nincompoop, but according to U.S. law, he is a natural born citizen. I just posted the relevant articles from the Constitution and U.S. Title 8. There isn't any room for interpretation.
They can't. It's the exact same qualification. The assertion demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge about the Constitution.
Pegler: Dude, I generally agree with you on economics, but you are really out to lunch on this, big time. Please don't associate yourself with the loons at World Nut Daily. I actually don't like Rubio. He's another neo-con nincompoop, but according to U.S. law, he is a natural born citizen. I just posted the relevant articles from the Constitution and U.S. Title 8. There isn't any room for interpretation. You put forward the same argument that the obungler defenders use... I put forward the basic facts of the argument. My older daughter- who's four years of age- can't be POTUS, because she's not qualified... My wife wasn't a citizen when she was born. But my younger daughter can, as my wife had obtained her citizenship by then. I really don't care about the obungler case, any more than I care about Rubio; they're all bought and paid for by the same crooks, so what does it really matter??? I just want the corruption of our political system to be exposed for everyone to see, and understand... Like a drug addict, the first step to solving the problem, is to finally understand that there IS a problem. Too many sheeple believe the MSM propaganda, and have happily given away every right that they had to their government, in the name of "safety." They need to wake up, and realize that their #1 enemy... is government. This is simply one more step in the right direction.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
You still haven't explained your brilliant observation that a person not eligible to be POTUS may be eligible to be VPOTUS. Go ahead. Give it your best shot.
I stand corrected on this one point. Now, disprove the rest of my points, on this subject. You *can't?* BTW, you just confirmed the accuracy of the article. ;)
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
Actually, there is a larger issue involved BEYOND a potential VP. This is not a criticism of your post at all but encourages your idea:
What a hoot!
What a joy your house must be the way that you have pitted one hold against another on a premise that is not only wholly false but is in fact wholly insane.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Hey man...how was your corner?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I just finished polishing my dunce cap. It shines.
How are you still here? My mistake.
Go fall off another roof.
Moderator X is going to remove you from our ping lists. The order is in. He is considering the many, many requests.
I forgot to ping you, kind sir. What-ever-you-do behind the clandestine, smokey-doors of the back-rooms of LF as you personally represent the posters upon LF in those top-notch executive committee rooms, please review the many PROUD, POSTERS that have created LF with their own posts. I beseech you!
Rubio was born in Miami in 1971. Farah’s argument against Rubio’s “natural born” status relies on a strict definition also used by Farah and others who raised doubts over Obama’s eligibility. The strict definition requires that both parents be legal citizens at the time of the birth.
Extending citizenship to non-citizens through birth based solely upon locality is nothing more than mere municipal law that has no extra- territorial effect as proven from the English practice of it. On the other hand, citizenship by descent through the father is natural law and is recognized by all nations (what nation doesn’t recognize citizenship of children born wherever to their own citizens?). Thus, a natural-born citizen is one whose citizenship is recognized by law of nations rather than mere local recognition.
#2. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
#3. To: war (#2)
Remarkable how none of you Berfers are able to cite just ONE relevant US law that supports your *belief*...
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: mininggold (#3)
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
#7. To: BorisY (#5)
If Georgia announces some adverse impact to Obama from all this, then you can expect a hurried Obama appeal to the Supremes. The real interesting aspect here is that this would force the Supremes to review the “Natural Born Citizen” issue for the first time.
#8. To: Skip Intro, Capitalist Eric (#6)
What is the main function of the VP?
#9. To: mininggold (#7)
#10. To: mininggold, BorisY (#7)
2nd class status should apply only for those of you who refuse to renounce your allegiance
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: hondo68 (#10)
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#11)
Queen Elizabeth has no bearing on people born in Hawaii.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#13. To: Skip Intro (#6)
(Edited)
How does that work, exactly?
#14. To: Moderator X, Brian S, BorisY, A K A Stone (#0)
IS: Worldnetdaily Founder Joseph Farah Promotes Rubio Ineligibility Argument
#15. To: Brian S (#0)
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Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#16. To: Brian S (#0)
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“Rubio is not eligible,” Farah told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “He’ll lose 10 percent of the Republican vote because he is not a natural-born citizen. We’ve been through this with Obama now for four years.”
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#17. To: hondo68 (#4)
Marco Rubio/Raul Castro 2012?
#18. To: hondo68 (#4)
Marco Rubio/Raul Castro 2012?
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#19. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
(Edited)
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
(Edited)
If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#21. To: Skip Intro (#6)
(Edited)
How can someone be VP if they can't be POTUS.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#22. To: jwpegler (#20)
Capitalist Eric: If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
#24. To: jwpegler (#21)
#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)
3 USC § 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act. (a) (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President. (2) The same rule shall apply in the case of the death, resignation, removal from office, or inability of an individual acting as President under this subsection. (b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President. (c) An individual acting as President under subsection (a) or subsection (b) of this section shall continue to act until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, except that - (1) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the failure of both the President-elect and the Vice-President-elect to qualify, then he shall act only until a President or Vice President qualifies; and (2) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the inability of the President or Vice President, then he shall act only until the removal of the disability of one of such individuals. (d) (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is no President pro tempore to act as President under subsection (b) of this section, then the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security. (2) An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act, except that the removal of the disability of an individual higher on the list contained in paragraph (1) of this subsection or the ability to qualify on the part of an individual higher on such list shall not terminate his service. (3) The taking of the oath of office by an individual specified in the list in paragraph (1) of this subsection shall be held to constitute his resignation from the office by virtue of the holding of which he qualifies to act as President. (e) Subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section shall apply only to such officers as are eligible to the office of President under the Constitution. Subsection (d) of this section shall apply only to officers appointed, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, prior to the time of the death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, of the President pro tempore, and only to officers not under impeachment by the House of Representatives at the time the powers and duties of the office of President devolve upon them. (f) During the period that any individual acts as President under this section, his compensation shall be at the rate then provided by law in the case of the President.
Basically, the federal laws set up "Pedro" of Mexico the WH restroom janitor cleaning the toilets everyday, to become the next POTUS if any isuue occurs. We are very lucky indeed! I vote for Pedro! 
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#27. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
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#28. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
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#29. To: war (#28)
#30. To: war (#28)
Hey man...how was your corner?
#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#33. To: Moderator X (#32)
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