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Title: Worldnetdaily Founder Joseph Farah Promotes Rubio Ineligibility Argument
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THE HILL
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... s-rubio-ineligibility-argument
Published: Feb 2, 2012
Author: Alicia M. Cohn
Post Date: 2012-02-02 13:02:22 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 11886
Comments: 33
By Alicia M. Cohn - 02/01/12 01:08 PM ET Conservative Joseph Farah on Tuesday evening predicted that “10 percent of the Republican vote” would fail to get behind Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) as the hypothetical vice presidential nominee because they will believe the circumstances of his birth make him ineligible. Farah has been one of the most prominent and persistent voices of the so-called “birther” movement, which argues that President Obama is not eligible to be president of the United States due to doubts about his birthplace and the citizenship of his parents. Farah’s objection to Rubio might serve as a rallying cry to voters convinced that Obama’s presidency is illegal according to the rules set out in the Constitution. “Rubio is not eligible,” Farah told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “He’ll lose 10 percent of the Republican vote because he is not a natural-born citizen. We’ve been through this with Obama now for four years.” Rubio was born in Miami in 1971. Farah’s argument against Rubio’s “natural born” status relies on a strict definition also used by Farah and others who raised doubts over Obama’s eligibility. The strict definition requires that both parents be legal citizens at the time of the birth. Rubio’s parents became naturalized citizens in 1975, but were permanent legal residents of the United States when Rubio was born, according to Rubio’s office. Rubio’s official biography has already been scrutinized, due to questions over the date his parents arrived in the United States as Cuban exiles. Farah’s website, World Net Daily, is now reporting on the potential controversy under the category “Certifigate.” The website first raised the question in May, but Farah raising the issue in a national television appearance could be a signal of things to come should Rubio appear on the Republican presidential ticket later this year. “You want to open that can of worms again?” Farah warned. Last April, Obama released his own long-form birth certificate, which proved his birth in Hawaii, in an effort to silence persistent accusations that he wasn’t born in the United States. Rubio, who is popular with both conservatives and Hispanic voters, continues to come up as the most likely possibility for the vice presidential slot, and each of the front-runners for the GOP nomination have consistently raised his name as part of their prospective “short list” for vice presidential candidates. Rubio has said he does not expect to be asked to join the ticket, but also maintains he will do anything he can to support the nominee.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
From HERE, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed this in 1866: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”* When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural- born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father. Yes, birth is prima facie evidence of citizenship, but only the citizenship of the nation the father is a member. * Temporary sojourners like transient aliens were a description applied to aliens other than resident aliens. The difference being temporary aliens were here for temporary purposes, such as work, travel, visitation or school, who had no desire to become citizens or was prevented from becoming citizens by law. Resident aliens were those who desired to become citizens and had renounced their prior allegiances and had taken the legal steps to become citizens or reside within some state per state law. If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
Dude, I generally agree with you on economics, but you are really out to lunch on this, big time. Please don't associate yourself with the loons at World Nut Daily. I actually don't like Rubio. He's another neo-con nincompoop, but according to U.S. law, he is a natural born citizen. I just posted the relevant articles from the Constitution and U.S. Title 8. There isn't any room for interpretation.
Pegler: Dude, I generally agree with you on economics, but you are really out to lunch on this, big time. Please don't associate yourself with the loons at World Nut Daily. I actually don't like Rubio. He's another neo-con nincompoop, but according to U.S. law, he is a natural born citizen. I just posted the relevant articles from the Constitution and U.S. Title 8. There isn't any room for interpretation. You put forward the same argument that the obungler defenders use... I put forward the basic facts of the argument. My older daughter- who's four years of age- can't be POTUS, because she's not qualified... My wife wasn't a citizen when she was born. But my younger daughter can, as my wife had obtained her citizenship by then. I really don't care about the obungler case, any more than I care about Rubio; they're all bought and paid for by the same crooks, so what does it really matter??? I just want the corruption of our political system to be exposed for everyone to see, and understand... Like a drug addict, the first step to solving the problem, is to finally understand that there IS a problem. Too many sheeple believe the MSM propaganda, and have happily given away every right that they had to their government, in the name of "safety." They need to wake up, and realize that their #1 enemy... is government. This is simply one more step in the right direction.
You still haven't explained your brilliant observation that a person not eligible to be POTUS may be eligible to be VPOTUS. Go ahead. Give it your best shot.
Actually, there is a larger issue involved BEYOND a potential VP. This is not a criticism of your post at all but encourages your idea:
What a hoot!
Hey man...how was your corner?
How are you still here? My mistake.
Moderator X is going to remove you from our ping lists. The order is in. He is considering the many, many requests.
I forgot to ping you, kind sir. What-ever-you-do behind the clandestine, smokey-doors of the back-rooms of LF as you personally represent the posters upon LF in those top-notch executive committee rooms, please review the many PROUD, POSTERS that have created LF with their own posts. I beseech you!
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestRubio was born in Miami in 1971. Farah’s argument against Rubio’s “natural born” status relies on a strict definition also used by Farah and others who raised doubts over Obama’s eligibility. The strict definition requires that both parents be legal citizens at the time of the birth.
Extending citizenship to non-citizens through birth based solely upon locality is nothing more than mere municipal law that has no extra- territorial effect as proven from the English practice of it. On the other hand, citizenship by descent through the father is natural law and is recognized by all nations (what nation doesn’t recognize citizenship of children born wherever to their own citizens?). Thus, a natural-born citizen is one whose citizenship is recognized by law of nations rather than mere local recognition.
#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
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If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
#22. To: jwpegler (#20)
Capitalist Eric: If his parents weren't citizens, than while he may be eligible for VP, he can never assume POTUS. Period.
#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)
3 USC § 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act. (a) (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President. (2) The same rule shall apply in the case of the death, resignation, removal from office, or inability of an individual acting as President under this subsection. (b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President. (c) An individual acting as President under subsection (a) or subsection (b) of this section shall continue to act until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, except that - (1) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the failure of both the President-elect and the Vice-President-elect to qualify, then he shall act only until a President or Vice President qualifies; and (2) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the inability of the President or Vice President, then he shall act only until the removal of the disability of one of such individuals. (d) (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is no President pro tempore to act as President under subsection (b) of this section, then the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security. (2) An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act, except that the removal of the disability of an individual higher on the list contained in paragraph (1) of this subsection or the ability to qualify on the part of an individual higher on such list shall not terminate his service. (3) The taking of the oath of office by an individual specified in the list in paragraph (1) of this subsection shall be held to constitute his resignation from the office by virtue of the holding of which he qualifies to act as President. (e) Subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section shall apply only to such officers as are eligible to the office of President under the Constitution. Subsection (d) of this section shall apply only to officers appointed, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, prior to the time of the death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, of the President pro tempore, and only to officers not under impeachment by the House of Representatives at the time the powers and duties of the office of President devolve upon them. (f) During the period that any individual acts as President under this section, his compensation shall be at the rate then provided by law in the case of the President.
Basically, the federal laws set up "Pedro" of Mexico the WH restroom janitor cleaning the toilets everyday, to become the next POTUS if any isuue occurs. We are very lucky indeed! I vote for Pedro! 
#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
#28. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
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#30. To: war (#28)
Hey man...how was your corner?
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#33. To: Moderator X (#32)
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