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Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Corrupt Government See other Corrupt Government Articles Title: Illinois Board of Elections to hear Obama Eligibility Cases Feb. 2 Source: ObamaBallotChallenge URL Source: http://obamaballotchallenge.com/ill ... -obama-eligibility-cases-feb-2 Published: Feb 1, 2012 Author: Pamela Barnett Post Date: 2012-02-01 19:08:03 by Murron Keywords: None Views: 19080 Comments: 41 Illinois Board of Elections to hear Obama Eligibility Cases Feb. 2 Obama Ballot Challenge Illinois Jackson Hearing Feb. 2(function() { var scribd = document.createElement("script"); scribd.type = "text/javascript"; scribd.async = true; scribd.src = "http://www.scribd.com/javascripts/embed_code/inject.js"; var s = document.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(scribd, s); })(); Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 23. #1. To: Murron (#0) I see that the Moonbats, for some odd reason, still hang their hat on Minor v. Happersett which was a right to vote case and not a case in which any class of citizen was defined. The only context of "citizen" in that case was a Missouri statute allowed male citizens to vote but not female citizens. Minor sued because she believed that the law was violative of the "privileges and immunities" clause of 14A. The court held that there is no right of ANY suffrage guaranteed in the USCON (the same theory that elected DumbDubv43 5-4). war  posted on  2012-02-01   19:33:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: war, Murron (#1) I see that the Moonbats, for some odd reason, still hang their hat on Minor v. Happersett ... Your opinions on legal matters are as credible as they are on economic matters... which is to say, your words have all the value of two squirts of warm piss. You just post shit to derail the threads. Get a life, Obungler pole-smoker. Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-01   19:43:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Capitalist Eric (#2) (Edited) Obungler pole-smoker. MINOR v. HAPPERSETT And that ain't the half of it! The disingenuous jagoff left out the majority opinion delivered by the chief justice. Excerpt of the good part, below... Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides6 that 'no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,'7 and that Congress shall have power 'to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.' Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization. The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words 'all children' are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as 'all persons,' and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea. caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/sc...court=US&vol=88&invol=162 Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-01   21:03:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: hondo68 (#5) Did you read what you posted? "For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. " Those "doubts" were later "solved" in US v Wong Kim Ark in which the court ruled that such children ARE natural born. Here's two squirts for you too. Warm enough for you? war  posted on  2012-02-01   23:49:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: war, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#11) Did you read what you posted? Those "doubts" were later "solved" in US v Wong Kim Ark If that court heard the Obungler case, he'd be back to community organizing in Chitown, after he served his term. Wong wasn't president, or even on the Democrat ticket. They decided he was a citizen, not a natural born one. Gimmie a quote where they said he's a natural born US citizen. Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-02   0:11:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: hondo68 (#12) They decided he was a citizen, not a natural born one. Gimmie a quote where they said he's a natural born US citizen. They decided that he was a citizen by virttire of native birth which is what a natural born citizen is. The decision uses native and natural born interchangeably. The decision points out that there are only two types of citizens...native, thus natural born and naturalized. I've actually read the decision. They based their reasoning on Blackstone and the understanding that English Commmon Law was in effect when the USCON was written and ratified: All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion [p663] that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution. --US v Wong Kim Ark war  posted on  2012-02-02   8:42:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: war (#14) Thanks for the reply, you did indeed come up with something. A quote from a circut court decision (In U. S. v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the circuit court) mentioned in the Wong Ark decision. It wouldn't be the first time a court made a bad decision. I recall that at one time the SCOTUS upheld slavery. If the Wong court could misinterpert the 14th amendment to grant citizenship to anchor babies, it must have been easy for them to accept a circut court judges opinion of natural born. A lot of Marxists on that court, appointed by the co-founder of communism Abe Lincoln. Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-02   10:48:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: hondo68, murron (#16) Thanks for the reply, you did indeed come up with something. No, actually he didn't. Instead, he got you wrapped around the axle, with misdirection- his typical M.O. See post #21. Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-02   13:15:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 23. #35. To: Capitalist Eric, *Ron Paul for President* (#23) he got you wrapped around the axle, with misdirection Not totally. I realize he'd rather discuss the bad decision (anchor babies) in Wong Ark, but it will be considered in the O'bungler case, whether it really applies or not. It's just one precedent among many. Unfortunately courts have a bad habit of building on bad decisions, and going even further in the wrong direction. Hondo68  posted on  2012-02-02 13:55:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 23. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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