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Title: U.S. Jewish Leaders Visit Pollard In Prison, Call For Speedy Release
Source: Haaretz
URL Source: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world ... ll-for-speedy-release-1.409694
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Jonathan Lis
Post Date: 2012-01-28 19:01:47 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 24563
Comments: 68

Richard Stone and Malcolm Hoenlein, the chairman and the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, recently visited convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard at Butner prison in North Carolina.

The two U.S. Jewish leaders talked with Pollard for two hours.

Following the meeting, the two expressed concern about Pollard's deteriorating health condition.

"We've returned with a renewed commitment to work for Pollard's release," the two wrote in a statement after the visit. "We see this as a serious humanitarian issue and as a matter of justice."

"Mr. Pollard suffers from multiple health challenges, which we believe add urgency for his release," the statement read.

Stone and Hoenlein noted that Pollard reiterated to them that he regretted his actions and that he expressed the desire to be released from prison, build a family and be an active citizen.

Activists for Pollard's release said that the visit was the first of a series of planned visits by American Jewish community leaders intended to express to importance and urgency they see in having Pollard released from incarceration by U.S. President Barack Obama.

Recently, calls for Pollard's release have increased amongst current and former U.S. officials as well as leaders of the American Jewish community.

Pollard was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1986 after being convicted of spying for Israel.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Let the spy rot in prison where he belongs.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-28   19:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Let the spy rot in prison where he belongs.

Kind of hate to see him die though.

His case and his 'supporters' need all the exposure they can get, imo.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-01-28   19:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Let the spy rot in prison where he belongs.

Absolutely.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-28   19:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#3)

Nice to see you anti christ devils have a sacrificial jew to vent your hate upon !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-01-29   0:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BorisY (#4)

Interesting, Boris, as I sure don't hate people of Judaism. I don't like spies who steal top secret information and supply it to unauthorized people though.

You bet your ass I don't like them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-29   1:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

You bet your ass I don't like them.

And then sell that info to the Russians....;}

But let the Israeli Firsters keep comin'.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-01-29   8:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

Interesting, Boris, as I sure don't hate people of Judaism. I don't like spies who steal top secret information and supply it to unauthorized people though.

Pollard would make a better President then Obama.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   10:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Great, and I suppose you'd rather have Charles Manson baby sit your kids instead of Michele Obama as well.

There is little to you except poisonous hatred that makes you impossible to deal with.

A traitor is a traitor, and this one belongs in his cell until he stops breathing. What you can't understand is I don't hate Pollard, it is what he's earned, and that example keeps others from stealing state secrets better than rewarding treasonous behavior.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-29   11:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)

A traitor is a traitor,

Obama is more of a traitor then Pollard ever could dream of being.

He has betrayed everyone in this nation. Whatever Pollard deserves Obama deserves 10000000000000000000000000000 fold.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All, Ferret Mike (#9)

Oops my bad. I left out 2 zeros at the end of my last comment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9) (Edited)

Obama is more of a traitor then Pollard ever could dream of being.

He has betrayed everyone in this nation. Whatever Pollard deserves Obama deserves 10000000000000000000000000000 fold.

Why do you stick up for traitors who are convicted felons. Are you Bibi's flunky?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   11:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11)

You go first. You dodged this question.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...72&Disp=112&Trace=on#C112

#70

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

You go first. You dodged this question.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...72&Disp=112&Trace=on#C112

#70

I gave you my answer but you didn't like it. Too bad Mr Manipulator.

But does that mean you must stick up for traitors now?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   11:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#13)

You're a liar.

You go first. You dodged this question.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...72&Disp=112&Trace=on#C112

#70

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Then where are your articles of empeachment? This House is poisonous to try such a gambit if they had standing, but they don't, thus your hyperbole is nonsense.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-29   11:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike, Fred Mertz (#15)

empeachment

Tell him how to spell that word.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#14)

You go first. You dodged this question.

Here is a question for you, Stone; the Bible is clear that God demands the poor be cared for - if one poor person dies as a result of right wing Christian's successful campaign to shrink government aid to the poor, are YOU then guilty of murder?

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   11:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#17)

Here is a question for you, Stone; the Bible is clear that God demands the poor be cared for - if one poor person dies as a result of right wing Christian's successful campaign to shrink government aid to the poor, are YOU then guilty of murder?

No. The Bible does want us to help out the poor. But people are responsible for themselves ultimately. Hence the part in the word of God about people who don't work don't eat.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

No. The Bible does want us to help out the poor. But people are responsible for themselves ultimately. Hence the part in the word of God about people who don't work don't eat.

Then why did God give manna to the Israelites?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   11:40:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#19)

You go first. You dodged this question.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...72&Disp=112&Trace=on#C112

#70

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#17)

Here is a question for you, Stone; the Bible is clear that God demands the poor be cared for - if one poor person dies as a result of right wing Christian's successful campaign to shrink government aid to the poor, are YOU then guilty of murder?

I bet Stone wouldn't even help some poor pregnant poor woman.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   11:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Hence the part in the word of God about people who don't work don't eat.

How do you define work?

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   11:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#21)

I bet Stone wouldn't even help some poor pregnant poor woman.

He'd find some Biblical justification for his neglect.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   11:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#22)

How do you define work?

I never wrote a dictionary. But I know what work is and so do you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#23)

He'd find some Biblical justification for his neglect.

Sounds like you are judging me without knowledge about me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)

I never wrote a dictionary. But I know what work is and so do you.

I don't know how YOU define work.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   11:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mininggold (#21)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-29   11:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#25) (Edited)

Sounds like you are judging me without knowledge about me.

Judging without knowing doesn't seem to bother you when you're doing the judging.

This is your forum, Stone - lead by example.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   11:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#28)

Judging without knowing doesn't seem to bother you when you're doing the judging.

This is your forum, Stone - lead by example.

I probably do that sometimes. But I think I keep it pretty much based on actions or comments.

I disagree with you on a whole host of issues. But you hold your own here and are mostly respectful with everyone you agree with or disagree with.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)

I probably do that sometimes. But I think I keep it pretty much based on actions or comments.

You judge constantly, liar. LOLOL.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   11:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mininggold (#30)

You judge constantly, liar. LOLOL.

Based on comments and actions. Mostly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   11:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

I probably do that sometimes. But I think I keep it pretty much based on actions or comments.

Certainly not when it comes to the subject of abortion.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom (#32)

Certainly not when it comes to the subject of abortion.

That would be an action. If you support murdering babies it is a persons duty to speak out against it.

We are called to judge righteous judgement.

If someone is in favor of abortion. You can make certain determinations about their character. That is based on their words and actions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Based on comments and actions. Mostly.

That rationale allows you no responsibility for your own actions, something you said up thread that God would not approve of.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#33)

That would be an action. If you support murdering babies it is a persons duty to speak out against it.

You support murdering poor people. Removing what little social support there is, is an action. Not supporting universal health care is an action.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Based on comments and actions. Mostly.

You said you wouldn't dirty your pretty little fingernails helping some poor pregnant destitute woman out, so until you decide you will be a person of charity towards others YOU have no right to judge that person's ability to make decisions for themselves.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#35)

You support murdering poor people. Removing what little social support there is, is an action. Not supporting universal health care is an action.

That is insane. You are entitled to the fruits of your own labor and no one else's.

You are saying people have a right to the money or productivity of other people. That isn't the case. It is called stealing.

People should help out those who are less fortunate. It just shouldn't be at the point of a gun and jail.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#36)

You said you wouldn't dirty your pretty little fingernails helping some poor pregnant destitute woman out,

You're a liar. Show where I said any such thing. You can't, I didn't.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38) (Edited)

You're a liar. Show where I said any such thing. You can't, I didn't.

You refused to respond so I can only go by the examples you set on this forum . I'm not responsible for the example you set.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold (#39)

I didn't refuse to respond. I just refused to respond until you respond to something I asked first. It is only fair.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#40)

I didn't refuse to respond. I just refused to respond until you respond to something I asked first. It is only fair.

You refused to respond no matter what excuse you give, so using your posting history as an example I'm free to make up anything I want in response.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)

You are saying people have a right to the money or productivity of other people. That isn't the case. It is called stealing.

Proverbs 31:9 Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

Are you defending the rights of the poor and needy?

People should help out those who are less fortunate. It just shouldn't be at the point of a gun and jail.

James 5:1-6 “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you.”

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#40)

I didn't refuse to respond.

I asked you a question, how do you define work, and you haven't answered.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#42)

Are you defending the rights of the poor and needy?

Their rights are the same as everyone else's.

I just don't care for deadbeats the scam the system and sit around all day. They go get free food they didn't work for. That they could have worked for if they weren't conditioned to feel entitled to the fruit of other peoples labor.

Can we agree that if you are productive you should be trying to find a job and work instead of living on welfare and food stamps?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#43)

I asked you a question, how do you define work, and you haven't answered.

I would use a dictionary to define work. I pretty much said that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Their rights are the same as everyone else's.

They don't have the ability to purchase their speech rights.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Can we agree that if you are productive you should be trying to find a job and work instead of living on welfare and food stamps?

So then work is defined by you as having a job?

I just don't care for deadbeats the scam the system and sit around all day. They go get free food they didn't work for. That they could have worked for if they weren't conditioned to feel entitled to the fruit of other peoples labor.

Leviticus 19:9-10 “'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.”

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom (#47)

So then work is defined by you as having a job?

That would be included in the definition. But it isn't the only work.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#47)

Leviticus 19:9-10 “'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.”

The farmers should do that. I agree.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: lucysmom (#47)

Are you trying to say we should have work programs for the poor? So if they are in a bad situation they can be helped?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom (#47) (Edited)

Leviticus 19:9-10 “'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.”

Too bad the poor aren't allowed into the 12 foot high fenced vineyards to reap anything left in the rows after they have been summer pruned and thinned. Even the deer are shot on sight.

Then they spray poison to prevent the fruit fly and moth infestation the rotting fruit attracts.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)

The farmers should do that. I agree.

Are you kidding?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mininggold (#52)

The farmers should do that. I agree.

Are you kidding?

No I am serious.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)

No I am serious.

Most farmers work either directly or indirectly for corporations, which have an allergy to giving anything away, at least in a form that is not tax deductible.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   12:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold (#51)

Too bad the poor aren't allowed into the 12 foot high fenced vineyards to reap anything left in the rows after they have been summer pruned and thinned. Even the deer are shot on sight.

Yes that is to bad.

I think some of you liberals have good hearts. It is just people like me (I'm not rich by any stretch) don't like having to work hard then others get stuff for free that I have to work for.

If there was some kind of way to help people out without giving them an entitlement mentality. That would be far better then what we have today.

Just because I don't think my money should be taken and given away doesn't in any fashion mean that I or others don't have compassion for the poor and hurting people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mininggold (#54)

Most farmers work either directly or indirectly for corporations, which have an allergy to giving anything away, at least in a form that is not tax deductible.

My great Uncle was a farmer. He passed away a few weeks ago. He helped lots of people. He talked the talk and walked the walk. I'm not sure if he opened up his fields. Or if anyone would come in this day and age. But he was a generous person from what I understand.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#45)

I would use a dictionary to define work. I pretty much said that.

Here is a dictionary definition of work:

"1: activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something:

a: sustained physical or mental effort to overcome obstacles and achieve an objective or result

b: the labor, task, or duty that is one's accustomed means of livelihood

c: a specific task, duty, function, or assignment often being a part or phase of some larger activity"

Doing work does not automatically produce income.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#57)

Doing work does not automatically produce income.

That is correct.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-29   12:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#49)

The farmers should do that. I agree.

But nobody should make them do that, right? If they choose not to provide as, God has commanded, for the poor and some die as a result, are farmers then guilty of murder?

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#50)

Are you trying to say we should have work programs for the poor? So if they are in a bad situation they can be helped?

Hmmm - interesting.

Should work programs for the poor be run by the government or the private sector?

If programs should be privately run by people who freely choose to do so, but they are not adequate to fill the need, and people die, is anyone guilty of murder?

Do you think an unemployed mother who cares for her children works?

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mininggold (#51)

Too bad the poor aren't allowed into the 12 foot high fenced vineyards to reap anything left in the rows after they have been summer pruned and thinned. Even the deer are shot on sight.

Then they spray poison to prevent the fruit fly and moth infestation the rotting fruit attracts.

If they let the poor pick up the fruit left behind, they would save money on poison and labor required to apply it.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   12:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#55)

If there was some kind of way to help people out without giving them an entitlement mentality. That would be far better then what we have today.

I agree. We should begin with the economic elite and their sense of entitlement.

BTW, Job was reduced to poverty - was that his fault?

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   13:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#55)

I think some of you liberals have good hearts. It is just people like me (I'm not rich by any stretch) don't like having to work hard then others get stuff for free that I have to work for.

If there was some kind of way to help people out without giving them an entitlement mentality. That would be far better then what we have today.

Just because I don't think my money should be taken and given away doesn't in any fashion mean that I or others don't have compassion for the poor and hurting people.

Too bad most conservatives show no compassion for anyone other than politicians and elites. As they seem to be able to exert their entitlement mentality with very little criticism.

Oh that's right.... they say they create.....JOBS. Too damned funny.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   13:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#61) (Edited)

If they let the poor pick up the fruit left behind, they would save money on poison and labor required to apply it.

They would complain about their increased liability and higher insurance rates, and then get some county supervisor to sponsor a regulation against the practice.

Some produce farmers allow the Food Banks to send gleaning crews out to harvest the left overs, but most vineyards do not participate.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-29   13:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mininggold (#64)

They would complain about their increased liability and higher insurance rates, and then get some county supervisor to sponsor a regulation against the practice.

Ha!

Then they would blame government for interfering with their charitable efforts.

He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-29   13:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Brian S (#0)

To Israeli Leaders:

Go fuck yourselves.

Love,
A US Citizen

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-30   15:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#66)

A US Citizen

Native born?

Oops, wrong thread.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-01-30   15:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Fred Mertz (#67)

Ha...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-30   16:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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