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Title: U.S. Jewish Leaders Visit Pollard In Prison, Call For Speedy Release
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Haaretz
URL Source: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world ... ll-for-speedy-release-1.409694
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Jonathan Lis
Post Date: 2012-01-28 19:01:47 by Brian S
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Richard Stone and Malcolm Hoenlein, the chairman and the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, recently visited convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard at Butner prison in North Carolina. The two U.S. Jewish leaders talked with Pollard for two hours. Following the meeting, the two expressed concern about Pollard's deteriorating health condition. "We've returned with a renewed commitment to work for Pollard's release," the two wrote in a statement after the visit. "We see this as a serious humanitarian issue and as a matter of justice." "Mr. Pollard suffers from multiple health challenges, which we believe add urgency for his release," the statement read. Stone and Hoenlein noted that Pollard reiterated to them that he regretted his actions and that he expressed the desire to be released from prison, build a family and be an active citizen. Activists for Pollard's release said that the visit was the first of a series of planned visits by American Jewish community leaders intended to express to importance and urgency they see in having Pollard released from incarceration by U.S. President Barack Obama. Recently, calls for Pollard's release have increased amongst current and former U.S. officials as well as leaders of the American Jewish community. Pollard was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1986 after being convicted of spying for Israel.
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#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)
I don't know how YOU define work.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Judging without knowing doesn't seem to bother you when you're doing the judging. This is your forum, Stone - lead by example.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
This is your forum, Stone - lead by example. I probably do that sometimes. But I think I keep it pretty much based on actions or comments. I disagree with you on a whole host of issues. But you hold your own here and are mostly respectful with everyone you agree with or disagree with.
You judge constantly, liar. LOLOL.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Based on comments and actions. Mostly.
Certainly not when it comes to the subject of abortion.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
That would be an action. If you support murdering babies it is a persons duty to speak out against it. We are called to judge righteous judgement. If someone is in favor of abortion. You can make certain determinations about their character. That is based on their words and actions.
That rationale allows you no responsibility for your own actions, something you said up thread that God would not approve of.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
You support murdering poor people. Removing what little social support there is, is an action. Not supporting universal health care is an action.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
You said you wouldn't dirty your pretty little fingernails helping some poor pregnant destitute woman out, so until you decide you will be a person of charity towards others YOU have no right to judge that person's ability to make decisions for themselves.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
That is insane. You are entitled to the fruits of your own labor and no one else's. You are saying people have a right to the money or productivity of other people. That isn't the case. It is called stealing. People should help out those who are less fortunate. It just shouldn't be at the point of a gun and jail.
You're a liar. Show where I said any such thing. You can't, I didn't.
You refused to respond so I can only go by the examples you set on this forum . I'm not responsible for the example you set.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I didn't refuse to respond. I just refused to respond until you respond to something I asked first. It is only fair.
You refused to respond no matter what excuse you give, so using your posting history as an example I'm free to make up anything I want in response.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Proverbs 31:9 Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Are you defending the rights of the poor and needy? People should help out those who are less fortunate. It just shouldn't be at the point of a gun and jail. James 5:1-6 “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you.”
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
I asked you a question, how do you define work, and you haven't answered.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Their rights are the same as everyone else's. I just don't care for deadbeats the scam the system and sit around all day. They go get free food they didn't work for. That they could have worked for if they weren't conditioned to feel entitled to the fruit of other peoples labor. Can we agree that if you are productive you should be trying to find a job and work instead of living on welfare and food stamps?
I would use a dictionary to define work. I pretty much said that.
They don't have the ability to purchase their speech rights.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
So then work is defined by you as having a job? I just don't care for deadbeats the scam the system and sit around all day. They go get free food they didn't work for. That they could have worked for if they weren't conditioned to feel entitled to the fruit of other peoples labor. Leviticus 19:9-10 “'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.”
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
That would be included in the definition. But it isn't the only work.
The farmers should do that. I agree.
Are you trying to say we should have work programs for the poor? So if they are in a bad situation they can be helped?
Too bad the poor aren't allowed into the 12 foot high fenced vineyards to reap anything left in the rows after they have been summer pruned and thinned. Even the deer are shot on sight. Then they spray poison to prevent the fruit fly and moth infestation the rotting fruit attracts.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Are you kidding?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Are you kidding? No I am serious.
Most farmers work either directly or indirectly for corporations, which have an allergy to giving anything away, at least in a form that is not tax deductible.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Yes that is to bad. I think some of you liberals have good hearts. It is just people like me (I'm not rich by any stretch) don't like having to work hard then others get stuff for free that I have to work for. If there was some kind of way to help people out without giving them an entitlement mentality. That would be far better then what we have today. Just because I don't think my money should be taken and given away doesn't in any fashion mean that I or others don't have compassion for the poor and hurting people.
My great Uncle was a farmer. He passed away a few weeks ago. He helped lots of people. He talked the talk and walked the walk. I'm not sure if he opened up his fields. Or if anyone would come in this day and age. But he was a generous person from what I understand.
Here is a dictionary definition of work: "1: activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something: a: sustained physical or mental effort to overcome obstacles and achieve an objective or result b: the labor, task, or duty that is one's accustomed means of livelihood c: a specific task, duty, function, or assignment often being a part or phase of some larger activity" Doing work does not automatically produce income.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
That is correct.
But nobody should make them do that, right? If they choose not to provide as, God has commanded, for the poor and some die as a result, are farmers then guilty of murder?
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Hmmm - interesting. Should work programs for the poor be run by the government or the private sector? If programs should be privately run by people who freely choose to do so, but they are not adequate to fill the need, and people die, is anyone guilty of murder? Do you think an unemployed mother who cares for her children works?
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Then they spray poison to prevent the fruit fly and moth infestation the rotting fruit attracts. If they let the poor pick up the fruit left behind, they would save money on poison and labor required to apply it.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
I agree. We should begin with the economic elite and their sense of entitlement. BTW, Job was reduced to poverty - was that his fault?
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
If there was some kind of way to help people out without giving them an entitlement mentality. That would be far better then what we have today. Just because I don't think my money should be taken and given away doesn't in any fashion mean that I or others don't have compassion for the poor and hurting people. Too bad most conservatives show no compassion for anyone other than politicians and elites. As they seem to be able to exert their entitlement mentality with very little criticism. Oh that's right.... they say they create.....JOBS. Too damned funny.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
They would complain about their increased liability and higher insurance rates, and then get some county supervisor to sponsor a regulation against the practice. Some produce farmers allow the Food Banks to send gleaning crews out to harvest the left overs, but most vineyards do not participate.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Ha! Then they would blame government for interfering with their charitable efforts.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. Thomas Jefferson We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
To Israeli Leaders: Go fuck yourselves. Love, I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI never wrote a dictionary. But I know what work is and so do you.
#27. To: mininggold (#21)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#25)
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Sounds like you are judging me without knowledge about me.
#29. To: lucysmom (#28)
Judging without knowing doesn't seem to bother you when you're doing the judging.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I probably do that sometimes. But I think I keep it pretty much based on actions or comments.
#31. To: mininggold (#30)
You judge constantly, liar. LOLOL.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I probably do that sometimes. But I think I keep it pretty much based on actions or comments.
#33. To: lucysmom (#32)
Certainly not when it comes to the subject of abortion.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)
Based on comments and actions. Mostly.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#33)
That would be an action. If you support murdering babies it is a persons duty to speak out against it.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#31)
Based on comments and actions. Mostly.
#37. To: lucysmom (#35)
You support murdering poor people. Removing what little social support there is, is an action. Not supporting universal health care is an action.
#38. To: mininggold (#36)
You said you wouldn't dirty your pretty little fingernails helping some poor pregnant destitute woman out,
#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)
(Edited)
You're a liar. Show where I said any such thing. You can't, I didn't.
#40. To: mininggold (#39)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#40)
I didn't refuse to respond. I just refused to respond until you respond to something I asked first. It is only fair.
#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)
You are saying people have a right to the money or productivity of other people. That isn't the case. It is called stealing.
#43. To: A K A Stone (#40)
I didn't refuse to respond.
#44. To: lucysmom (#42)
Are you defending the rights of the poor and needy?
#45. To: lucysmom (#43)
I asked you a question, how do you define work, and you haven't answered.
#46. To: A K A Stone (#44)
Their rights are the same as everyone else's.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#44)
Can we agree that if you are productive you should be trying to find a job and work instead of living on welfare and food stamps?
#48. To: lucysmom (#47)
So then work is defined by you as having a job?
#49. To: lucysmom (#47)
Leviticus 19:9-10 “'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.”
#50. To: lucysmom (#47)
#51. To: lucysmom (#47)
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Leviticus 19:9-10 “'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.”
#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)
The farmers should do that. I agree.
#53. To: mininggold (#52)
The farmers should do that. I agree.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)
No I am serious.
#55. To: mininggold (#51)
Too bad the poor aren't allowed into the 12 foot high fenced vineyards to reap anything left in the rows after they have been summer pruned and thinned. Even the deer are shot on sight.
#56. To: mininggold (#54)
Most farmers work either directly or indirectly for corporations, which have an allergy to giving anything away, at least in a form that is not tax deductible.
#57. To: A K A Stone (#45)
I would use a dictionary to define work. I pretty much said that.
#58. To: lucysmom (#57)
Doing work does not automatically produce income.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#49)
The farmers should do that. I agree.
#60. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Are you trying to say we should have work programs for the poor? So if they are in a bad situation they can be helped?
#61. To: mininggold (#51)
Too bad the poor aren't allowed into the 12 foot high fenced vineyards to reap anything left in the rows after they have been summer pruned and thinned. Even the deer are shot on sight.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#55)
If there was some kind of way to help people out without giving them an entitlement mentality. That would be far better then what we have today.
#63. To: A K A Stone (#55)
I think some of you liberals have good hearts. It is just people like me (I'm not rich by any stretch) don't like having to work hard then others get stuff for free that I have to work for.
#64. To: lucysmom (#61)
(Edited)
If they let the poor pick up the fruit left behind, they would save money on poison and labor required to apply it.
#65. To: mininggold (#64)
They would complain about their increased liability and higher insurance rates, and then get some county supervisor to sponsor a regulation against the practice.
#66. To: Brian S (#0)
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