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Title: The Dirty “little” Secret Of ...The Natural Born Citizen Clause --- Revealed.
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Published: Jan 27, 2012
Author: Leo Donofrio
Post Date: 2012-01-27 14:14:32 by BorisY
Keywords: native, naturalized - immigrant, natural - parents
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Natural Born Citizen Respecting the Constitution The Current INS Officially Recognizes A Delineation Between Natural-Born and Native-Born. The Dirty “little” Secret Of The Natural Born Citizen Clause Revealed. I have emphasized the word “little” because the truth of the law on this issue is very simple, folks. So simple that the mystery is deciphered by application of one of the most clear, concise and undeniable rules of law; the code of statutory construction governs, and therefore, “natural born Citizen” must require something more than being born in the United States. Let me put it to you in appropriately simple language: Clause A = “Only a natural born Citizen may be President.” Clause B = “Anyone born in the United States is a Citizen.” (While these two clauses reflect Article 2, Section 1, and the 14th Amendment, I shall refer to them as “Clause A” and “Clause B” for now.) The code of statutory construction is learned by every student in law school, and every practicing attorney has confronted it. Every judge is required to apply the rule equally to all statutes, and the Constitution. There is no wiggle room at all. The rule states that when a court examines two clauses, unless Congress has made it clear that one clause repeals the other, the court must observe a separate legal effect for each. More specifically, regardless of the chronology of enactment, the general clause can never govern the specific. Clause B is a general rule of citizenship, which states that all persons born in the country are members of the nation. Clause A is a specific clause that says only those members of the nation who are “natural born” may be President. According to the rule of statutory construction, the court must determine that Clause A requires something more than Clause B. It’s truly that simple. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory. It’s not controversial. This is not rocket science. Every single attorney reading this right now knows, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that I have accurately explained the rule of statutory construction to you. Any attorney who denies this rule, is lying. The rule cannot be denied. And its simplicity cannot be ignored. Now let’s see what the United States Supreme Court has to say about the rule: “Where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment. See, e. g., Bulova Watch Co. v. United States, 365 U.S. 753, 758 (1961); Rodgers v. United States, 185 U.S. 83, 87 -89 (1902). The courts are not at liberty to pick and choose among congressional enactments, and when two statutes are capable of co-existence, it is the duty of the courts, absent a clearly expressed congressional intention to the contrary, to regard each as effective. “When there are two acts upon the same subject, the rule is to give effect to both if possible . . . The intention of the legislature to repeal `must be clear and manifest.’ ” United States v. Borden Co., 308 U.S. 188, 198 (1939).” Morton v. Mancari, 417 U.S. 535, 550-551 (1974). This is what I mean by no wiggle room – “The courts are not at liberty to pick and choose among congressional enactments…” Any court construing Clause A is not at liberty to assume that Congress intended to put the words “natural born” into Clause B. The general does not govern the specific, and the rule requires the court to “give effect to both if possible”. Is it possible to give separate effect to both Clause A and Clause B? Yes. The Constitution tells us that any Citizen can be a Senator, or Representative, but that to be President one must be a “natural born Citizen”. The Constitution specifically assigns different civic statuses to “Citizens” and “natural born Citizens”. Therefore, not only is it possible to give separate effect to both Clause A and Clause B, it is absolutely required by law, and no court has the ability to circumvent the rule. Had the original framers intended for any “born Citizen” to be eligible to the office of President, they would not have included the word “natural” in the clause. Additionally, had the framers of the 14th Amendment intended to declare that every person born in the country was a “natural born Citizen”, then the 14th Amendment would contain clear and manifest language to that effect. But it doesn’t. Therefore, each clause must be given separate force and effect. Deputy Chief Judge Malihi explained the rule of statutory construction in his denial of candidate Obama’s Motion to Dismiss, wherein his opinion of the Court stated: “Statutory provisions must be read as they are written, and this Court finds that the cases cited by Defendant are not controlling. When the Court construes a constitutional or statutory provision, the ‘first step . . . is to examine the plain statutory language.’ Morrison v. Claborn, 294 Ga. App. 508, 512 (2008). ‘Where the language of a statute is plain and unambiguous, judicial construction is not only unnecessary but forbidden. In the absence of words of limitation, words in a statute should be given their ordinary and everyday meaning.’ Six Flags Over Ga. v. Kull, 276 Ga. 210, 211 (2003) (citations and quotation marks omitted). Because there is no other ‘natural and reasonable construction’ of the statutory language, this Court is ‘not authorized either to read into or to read out that which would add to or change its meaning.‘ Blum v. Schrader, 281 Ga. 238, 240 (2006) (quotation marks omitted).” Order On Motion To Dismiss, Deputy Chief Judge Malihi, Jan. 3, 2012, pg. 3. (Emphasis added.) Therefore, the term “natural born” must be considered as requiring something more than simple birth in the country. And Judge Malihi states, quite clearly, in his ruling above, that the Court “is not authorized to read into or to read out that which would add to or change its meaning.” The rule is the same for election statutes in Georgia as it is for the Constitution of the United States. The rule of statutory construction, with regard to the Constitution, was best stated by Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803): “It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.” Id. 174. (Emphasis added.) If the 14th Amendment was held to declare that all persons born in the country, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, were natural-born citizens, then the “natural born Citizen” clause would be rendered inoperative. It would be superfluous. And its specific provision would, therefore, be governed by the general provision of the 14th Amendment. The United States Supreme Court has determined that it is inadmissible to even make that argument. Any genuine construction of the “natural born Citizen” clause must begin from the starting point that it requires something more than citizenship by virtue of being born on U.S. soil. Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), tells you exactly what that something is; citizen parents. Leo Donofrio, Esq. [For a more detailed analysis of this issue, please see my Amicus Brief entered in the Georgia POTUS eligibility cases.] [See commenting rules here.]
Poster Comment: People who can't figure this out shouldn't be allowed to vote - citizenship !
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#1. To: BorisY (#0)
I can't wait to have Eisenhower decertified.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Oranges - apples - bananas all fruits ! No one knows what an obomba - tomato is ! Tomato , whether pronounced Tuh-MAY-toh or Tuh-MAH-to, is a delicious, nutritious fruit, more widely known as a vegetable.
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No one knows what an obomba - tomato is ! Tomato , whether pronounced Tuh-MAY-toh or Tuh-MAH-to, is a delicious, nutritious fruit, more widely known as a vegetable. Sorry.....but after the fact is still after the fact, inspite of your literal word salad.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Trivia right - reality wrong is that how you play the game ! You just don't get past the slag - weeds !
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You just don't get pass the weeds ! Sorry, but that remains to be seen.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
cabbage - lettuce - carrots all vegetables ! No one knows what an obomba - tomato is ! Tomato , whether pronounced Tuh-MAY-toh or Tuh-MAH-to, is a delicious, nutritious fruit, more widely known as a vegetable. Corn is a grain !
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If Boehner allowed impeachment proceedings against O'bungler, then Romney would be out too, and he'd also have to admit that McCain was ineligible to be prez. Too much truth for a neocon to handle. He wants Obungler to be reelected so badly, that he'll even allow an ineligible loser to be nominated.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
w / o control of the senate investigation - impeachment is impossible - suicidal !
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To: max americana I did watch it and what disturbed by what Mike Berlon said. He said they would take it to Federal court. Let’s say they do. What would happen? 20 posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 02:41:13 by Mimi3 To: Mimi3 Great take it to Federal Court...even if it goes against Orly then the case goes to the Supreme Court on appealm and they can finally settle what an NBC is. 21 posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 03:31:27 by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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Bullshit. They used "natural born" to distinguish from those born prior to the USCON's adoption. No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
At the time are exempt - grand fathered ! After ... Age - resident - NATURAL BORN (( parents )) !
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It says nothing about the parents.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Goldwater was born in OK when it was a territory...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Parentage has nothing to do with it. Citizenship laws in the US are based first jus soli... Citizenship was conferred at the adoption of the USCON regardless of where they had been born or who their parents were. Given that, the Framers were hardly going to parse from thereafter to a most restrictive definition.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Outside of the country wouldn't matter if your parents are citizens ! That only works for anchor babies - aliens !
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Higher office - higher qualifications ! GROW THE FUCK UP ! This isn't about voting !
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One either acquires citizenship at birth, is natural born citizen; or acquires citizenship later in life, is a naturalized citizen. There is no third category of citizenship.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Natural (( parents )) ELIGIBLE ... native (( anchor status )) - naturalized (( immigrant )) --- INELIGIBLE !
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What in the world does that mean?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
1 - Natural (( parents )) ELIGIBLE ... native (( NO parentS - anchor status )) - naturalized (( immigrant )) --- 2 & 3 INELIGIBLE ! 4 - Divine - royalty - obombammies !
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The jig - dance is up ! The dark - savage age ! Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job? Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as legislator. And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president? - Matt Patterson, American Thinker
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Oh I see, you're creating a third class of citizenship. Good luck with that!
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
For the senate qualifications the constitution says ' citizen ' - native - naturalized ! You've been duped ! Luck doesn't work in the USSC !
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Bimbo: Oh I see, you're creating a third class of citizenship. Good luck with that! Your willful ignorance is getting old. Boris is right. You're wrong, so shut up.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
If you want to converse with the adults, you'll need to grow up.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Perhaps you are correct and the Constitution says just what you claim, however Article I, section 3, clause 3 says: No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
A one week old mutt to be senator ! the bar for president is much higher !
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BorisY: 1 - Natural (( parents )) ELIGIBLE ... native (( anchor status )) - naturalized (( immigrant )) --- 2 & 3 INELIGIBLE ! Bimbo: "Oh I see, you're creating a third class of citizenship. Good luck with that!" CE: "Your willful ignorance is getting old. Boris is right. You're wrong, so shut up." Ignorance - can be corrected through education. Stupid - is a birthright often passed down in families but sometimes organizationally inherited. Stupid is a choice.
Trying to get a pass by being a fatherless child ! how about the divorce - adoption !
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Good point, and from what I have gathered, he never had his named changed back from 'Barry Sotoroe'. But I think the most damning evidence is, his father not being a US citizen, but a British Subject. They can smear all the lipstick on that pig they want, but it will still be a PIG! For him to be eligible, BOTH parents have to be US Citizens.
I bow to your expertise in the matter of stupid.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Do you have credible evidence his name was ever changed to begin with? Of course not.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
FOX News 5 did cover and report this in Georgia. There are, I think, 3 videos that covered the court proceedings, if you'd like them posted, just let me know!
Obama's father was a "citizen of Africa" - that's a good one.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Obama didn't show up in court. He thinks he is a dictotor. He is a dick. Impeach the asshole.
Was Obama legally served? I know Orly has had a lot of trouble with that legal concept in the past.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
And you think you are God. It's up to the judge to make that decision, it's his/her court.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Actually that would be you. Who think you can kill a baby and claim it to be the most virtuous of all human acts.
And you think you can put words into other's mouths, when you can't find the facts to argue your case. That's typical of BPD. Did King Solomon offer to split a baby in two or did he not? And not one person in the Bible denied he had the right and the power to do so
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
So you are against abortion? You don't think it is an unalienable right?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAny genuine construction of the “natural born Citizen” clause must begin from the starting point that it requires something more than citizenship by virtue of being born on U.S. soil. Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), tells you exactly what that something is; citizen parents.
#2. To: mininggold (#1)
#3. To: BorisY (#2)
Oranges - apples - bananas all fruits !
#4. To: mininggold (#3)
(Edited)
#5. To: BorisY (#4)
Trivia right - reality wrong is that how you play the game !
#6. To: mininggold (#5)
#7. To: BorisY, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin*, *Ron Paul for President* (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#8. To: hondo68 (#7)
#9. To: All (#8)
#10. To: BorisY (#0)
(Edited)
Had the original framers intended for any “born Citizen” to be eligible to the office of President, they would not have included the word “natural” in the clause.
#11. To: war (#10)
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#12. To: BorisY (#11)
Age - resident - parents !
#13. To: mininggold (#1)
#14. To: BorisY (#11)
#15. To: war (#13)
#16. To: war (#14)
#17. To: BorisY (#16)
Higher office - higher qualifications !
#18. To: lucysmom (#17)
#19. To: BorisY (#18)
Natural (( parents )) ELIGIBLE ... native (( anchor status )) - naturalized (( immigrant )) --- INELIGIBLE !
#20. To: lucysmom (#19)
(Edited)
#21. To: All (#20)
4 - Divine - royalty - obombammies !
#22. To: BorisY (#20)
1 - Natural (( parents )) ELIGIBLE ... native (( anchor status )) - naturalized (( immigrant )) --- 2 & 3 INELIGIBLE !
#23. To: lucysmom (#22)
(Edited)
Good luck with that!
#24. To: lucysmom, BorisY (#22)
BorisY: 1 - Natural (( parents )) ELIGIBLE ... native (( anchor status )) - naturalized (( immigrant )) --- 2 & 3 INELIGIBLE !
#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#24)
Boris is right. You're wrong, so shut up.
#26. To: BorisY (#23)
For the senate qualifications the constitution says ' citizen ' - native - naturalized !
#27. To: lucysmom (#26)
nine Years a Citizen
#28. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, BorisY (#24)
#29. To: Murron (#28)
#30. To: BorisY (#29)
"how about the divorce - adoption !"
#31. To: Murron (#28)
Stupid - is a birthright often passed down in families but sometimes organizationally inherited. Stupid is a choice.
#32. To: Murron, BorisY (#30)
Good point, and from what I have gathered, he never had his named changed back from 'Barry Sotoroe'.
#33. To: BorisY, A K A Stone, All (#30)
Murron: "But I think the most damning evidence is, his father not being a US citizen, but a British Subject. For him to be eligible, BOTH parents have to be US Citizens."
#34. To: Murron (#33)
#35. To: lucysmom (#34)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Obama didn't show up in court. He thinks he is a dictotor. He is a dick. Impeach the asshole.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Obama didn't show up in court. He thinks he is a dictotor. He is a dick. Impeach the asshole.
#38. To: mininggold (#37)
And you think you are God.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)
(Edited)
Actually that would be you. Who think you can kill a baby and claim it to be the most virtuous of all human acts.
#40. To: mininggold (#39)
And you think you can put words into other's mouths, when you can't find the facts to argue your case. That's typical of BPD.
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