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Title: How Government Creates Unemployment
Source: GFP.com
URL Source: http://godfatherpolitics.com/3254/h ... vernment-creates-unemployment/
Published: Jan 21, 2012
Author: The Godfather
Post Date: 2012-01-21 18:35:56 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 59223
Comments: 113

How Government Creates Unemployment

Economics isn’t hard, unless you’re a liberal. Republican governor Chris Christie mocked a network graphic insisting that 55 percent of New Jersey residents think he’ll be Vice President and 68 percent don’t. In case you don’t see the problem with these numbers, 68% + 55% = 123%. We’ve heard about giving “100 and 10 percent,” but that’s a sports number. Christie remarked about the 123% number, “That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed.

The same is true when it comes to things like youth unemployment. They can’t understand how the unemployment numbers for teenagers is so high. It’s quite simple: minimum wage laws.

It used to be that when two people competed for the same job, the person who could undercut the cost an employer had to pay was in the running for the job, even if he didn’t have a lot of experience.

An employer could take a risk on someone with a lack of experience because he didn’t have to pay him what an experienced worker might demand. Many of the jobs available to teens were low skilled anyway.

By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.

“Do you have experience?,” the shop owner asks.

Knowing how to add, the teenager is honest and shows initiative by answering, “No, but I’m willing to work at a lower wage to gain experience.”

“Sorry,” the shop owner says. “I would be breaking the law if I hired you for any amount less than the minimum wage. I can hire someone with experience at the same wage I’d have to hire you.”

“But I can’t get experience if you won’t hire me.”

“Tough luck. Write your congressman.”

Brian Levine, co-owner of Tropical Smoothie Café knows how to add, but he also knows the law and the logic of the market place:

“A lot of it comes down to what we can afford, versus the hours they’re available to work. We are more or less, the minimum wage type of place. I would obviously prefer to pay minimum wage, but I’d also go for an adult and pay them an extra dollar an hour. They’re available, have more experience and are quicker to train.”

Renee Ward, founder of job posting site Teens4Hire.org, can also add. “If you have two candidates for a job, and one has experience and will take $10 an hour, and the other is a teen with no experience, who do you think would get the job? When jobs aren’t there for anyone, it’s that much harder.”

Once again, government is the problem not the solution to job growth.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

“That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed.

Riiight...everyone knows that in GOP math you have to SUBTRACT those two numbers to get 123.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-21   20:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.

I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   21:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#2)

I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia.

What would Somalia have to do with anything? That is a weird statement. Kind of like you didn't read the article.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-21   21:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

What would Somalia have to do with anything?

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

Read The Rule of Law without the State

mises.org/daily/2701

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   21:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#4)

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

I have to be blunt. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? That is ridiculously stupid. Our country is more the minimum wage. That was lame.

Thanks for showing me that liberals aren't serious thinkers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   9:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia?

That is ridiculously stupid.

It is ridiculously stupid...YOUR conclusion that is.

The minimum wage has nothing to do with whether or not teens in this nation are employed or unemployed.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-22   9:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

It is ridiculously stupid...YOUR conclusion that is.

I'm not the one comparing our country to Somalia.

You too? lol.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   9:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#1)

“That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed.

Riiight...everyone knows that in GOP math you have to SUBTRACT those two numbers to get 123

With some of them that's true......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Neither was LM...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-22   10:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#9)

Ok war whatever you say.

Lucysmom-"If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. "

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   10:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CZ82 (#0)

I do think there should be a minimum wage though. If not greedy companies would pay less then enough to live on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   10:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#2)

I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia.

My guess is it's probably more than the current rate we have here somewhere in the 25-30% range..... With some groups being right at 50% or higher.....

In fact in our own countries capital it's 50%...... Boy I'll bet that's really impressing other countries around the world, especially the Communist/Socialist ones!!!!! They're thinking/saying "Boy are those Americans sure stupid for electing people that drag them down to our level".... and laughing their asses off to boot..

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

I do think there should be a minimum wage though. If not greedy companies would pay less then enough to live on.

And if companies had to pay those people enough to live on what do you think that would do to the prices of everything in this country?????? Skyrocket!!!

So in essence you wouldn't accomplish what you set out to do.......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82 (#13)

And if companies had to pay those people enough to live on what do you think that would do to the prices of everything in this country?????? Skyrocket!!!

So in essence you wouldn't accomplish what you set out to do.......

I don't know. We've had the min wage for decades. We prospered under it.

The minimum wage isn't that much money anyway.

It is not like the min wage is 25 bucks an hour.

Just my opinion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   10:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CZ82 (#13)

The minimum wage isn't really enough to live on already.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   10:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#14)

And if companies had to pay those people enough to live on what do you think that would do to the prices of everything in this country?????? Skyrocket!!! So in essence you wouldn't accomplish what you set out to do.......

I don't know. We've had the min wage for decades. We prospered under it.

The minimum wage isn't that much money anyway.

It is not like the min wage is 25 bucks an hour.

Just my opinion.

Lets say for instance you are paying your helpers $15 per hour, and he wants a raise up to $20 per hour..... where is that money going to come from out of your pocket or your customers pocket????

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

The minimum wage isn't really enough to live on already.

No it isn't.... But most of those making minimum wage are still living with Mommy and Daddy......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#16)

Lets say for instance you are paying your helpers $15 per hour, and he wants a raise up to $20 per hour..... where is that money going to come from out of your pocket or your customers pocket????

It will come out of both pockets. :)

I don't support ridiculously high minimum wage. I just think there should be a minimum so people aren't exploited.

In this economy if there was no minimum wage do you think there would be jobs paying 4 bucks an hour? Who can live on that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   10:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Lucysmom-"If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. "

I know what she wrote.

Thanks.

Wherein that statement is there a reference to any nation other than Somalia?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-22   10:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#19)

She is comparing U.S. to Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   10:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#18)

In this economy if there was no minimum wage do you think there would be jobs paying 4 bucks an hour? Who can live on that?

What is it now $7 something per hour... Is that enough to live on??? NO!!!

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, CZ82 (#5)

You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? That is ridiculously stupid. Our country is more the minimum wage. That was lame.

Nope. I suggested that if the author's thesis, no government imposed minimum wage was a job creator, Somalia - according to the theory - should provide lots of jobs to teenagers. I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world, to answer the question, what happens when the rubber meets the road.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   10:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: CZ82 (#12)

They're thinking/saying "Boy are those Americans sure stupid for electing people that drag them down to our level".... and laughing their asses off to boot..

That's so last century!

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#22)

Nope. I suggested that if the author's thesis, no government imposed minimum wage was a job creator, Somalia - according to the theory - should provide lots of jobs to teenagers.

I'm not going to let you off that easy. That is stupid. The United States as I mentioned is much more then minimum wage laws.

We would have to repeal about a million laws to equal Somalia. Then we would have to adopt a ghetto lifestyle like Obama preaches.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#21)

What is it now $7 something per hour... Is that enough to live on??? NO!!!

No it isn't much to live off very good.

If there was no min wage. I think there would be millions and millions of people working for less then 7 bucks an hour.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lucysmom (#22)

I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world,

There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun.

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You two sound racist when you put down a black country like that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: CZ82 (#17)

No it isn't.... But most of those making minimum wage are still living with Mommy and Daddy......

51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun.

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You two sound racist when you put down a black country like that.

Since libertarians canonot cite an instance where it's been actually tried, how do you know?

EWWWW the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But maybe blacks in some areas of Africa are the true practicing libertarians. And isn't that what conservatives say they want?.... the gun as the only true regulator?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold (#28)

Since libertarians canonot cite an instance where it's been actually tried, how do you know?

You brought up Somalia. You are not credible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#27)

51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old.

As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mininggold (#30)

51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old.

As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources.

It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

You brought up Somalia. You are not credible.

And you can't cite one other area of the world where anything close to a truly free unregulated market exists.

And you say I lack credibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)

It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.

Why don't you show us your source that disputes it?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#26)

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You still don't get it. Mininggold is asking for an example of a functioning free market - no mention of Somalia. I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia.

Libertarians like Somalia more than you think:

The Rule of Law without the State

mises.org/daily/2701

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#32)

And you can't cite one other area of the world where anything close to a truly free unregulated market exists.

And you say I lack credibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world.

That is 100 times smarter then anything you ever said.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mininggold (#30)

As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources.

It boggles the mind.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia.

We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#33)

Why don't you show us your source that disputes it?

I just know you make stuff up. Apparently you are busted because you can't cite a source.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#31)

It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.

Umm - Stone, I posted the numbers.

The source is the Department of Labor.

Google "minimum wage workers profile" and see what comes up.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#35)

You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world.

That is 100 times smarter then anything you ever said.

And you still cannot show me one first world country with a truly free unregulated market. I have no idea why you are obsessing about faggots today. It must be your time of the month.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#38) (Edited)

I just know you make stuff up. Apparently you are busted because you can't cite a source.

I wasn't the one who posted it but I've seen the figures before.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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