The collapsing black hole is going to take you with it !
To: butterdezillion
I understand your pessimism, but at this point, it looks like the plaintiffs are going to get a chance to make their case and they WOULD have a chance to challenge anything Obama brings to court. I think hes going to chicken out though. He doesnt have anything that can pass muster, and he cant risk a conclusive judgement in court that hes not Constitutionally eligible for office. It would set off a whole chain of dominoes that Obama dont wanta play. If he blows this off, he can give up on a default judgment, laugh it off to the press and move onto the next state and try to avoid any further challenges. It is NOT in his best interest to go to court. Its the same reason people plead the fifth amendment, plead no contest or choose not to testify in court.
129 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 11:08:03 by edge919
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This was an administrative judge's ruling and has little to no force of law in Georgia and absolutely no force of law outside of Georgia. Orly tried to serve those subpoenas in Hawaii and she got laughed at and then put up for sanctions as a vexatious litigant.
Good thing I googled...I can put the razor away...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Showing his real birth certificate will NOT get him around his fathers British Nationality and his own. There is NO WAY around Minor v. Happersett OR McCarthy v Briscoe 429 US 1317.
Or the 14th amendment. I'm not sure you are looking at things the same way that I am. His behavior since the beginning makes me think he can't even prove 14th amendment citizenship with what is ACTUALLY on file in Hawaii.
If he had had a real, legitimate, bonofide and actual Hawaiian birth certificate which was real proof that he was born in Hawaii, he wouldn't have done most of the stuff he did. He could have gotten a copy of it when the Original birth certificate issue came up in July/August of 2008. That stuff about Hawaii not being able to release it is utter bullsh*t unless it is under court seal, and even then he could have gotten a lawyer to sue for it's release.
I think there is a STRONG possibility that all he has on file is an affidavit of birth which was written and signed by his Grandmother. If this is the case, it will not be perceived as strong proof that he was actually born in this country. It will in fact, inflame his critics and arouse suspicion from the entire electorate.
The good will of giving him the benefit of the doubt will flip to become animosity and distrust against everything he has claimed. (Which is the way it should be if the public wasn't so stupid.)
As i've pointed out to obots, we started with the birth certificate first because if *IT* isn't legit, it is easy for the public to "get it." The American Father NBC thing would have an upwind fight because the public (and the entire legal establishment) is so very ignorant about it.
155 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 11:37:32 by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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"Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job?
Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as legislator.
And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?
- Matt Patterson, American Thinker
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democrats should see this as a chance to pull Obama off the ballotand replace him with Hillary. Blame it on the GOP to keep Blacks and true leftists in line. They could solve their problems in one easy stroke. In factpulling Obama out of the White House would be the best thing for the nation.
22 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 10:24:09 by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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Hey scumbag liar, I Pray you go down in a ball of fire along with the other scumbag Eric holder, the gangster who has your back. lets fate it, holder has already perjured himself before a congressional hearing, and you have committed treason for submitting fraudulent birth certificate on the web. you are the worse of Communists and you both are going down, You both must be exiled to Liberia , where you belong.
Hey scumbag liar, I Pray you go down in a ball of fire along with the other scumbag Eric holder,
A good 'Christian conservative' such as yourself needs to stop praying for the death of other posters.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
To: usar91B; Danae; butterdezillion; DiogenesLamp; Red Steel; GregNH; LucyT; Kenny Bunk; melancholy; ...
Obamas new 2012 Facebook campaign promo:
I was born in Hawaii to a single mother.
Holy Cow!
Single mother???
What happened to BHO Sr and the improbable love and marriage??
This looks to me like a signal that the Obama campaign team is pivoting to the bastard child of a single mother thus unitary US citizenship at birth and not a UK subject at birth defence on the NBC issue.
Maybe the book The Other Barack showing his father was considered by the US INS and U of HI officials to be a bigamist and sexual predator gave them the opening they needed to throw BHO Sr under the bus!
This doesn't get Obama a genuine HI BC but he can still count on HI officials to back him up on that. Meanwhile by declaring his mother to have been single when he was born (as Mooshell said way back when, remember?) gives him strong cover on the NBC issue...because a bastard child cannot be a dual citizen regardless of who his father is.
289 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 2:04:00 PM by Seizethecarp
To: Seizethecarp
That's a rather audacious move on Obama's part.
Does he think that denying the marriage of his mother denies the parentage of his father, regardless of the legality of the marriage? What does he do about the divorce decree?
So, the very story and book that launched Obama into politics must be destroyed in order to keep Obama in politics?
How does that work?
-PJ
321 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 2:36:31 PM by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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"If the judge rules against Obama, there is no way the Democratic Party can bury this."
Pan_Yans Wife, speaking for Danae, since I have never found fault with her reasoning, and she didn't respond directly, why should the Democratic Party care? The Republicans refused to vet Obama and ran their own ineligible candidate. They are just as complicit. Many prominent republicans are now lauding Marco Rubio as an ideal vice presidential candidate. Only Georgia's Congressman Nathan Deal had the courage to question Obama; the response with ethics charges was almost immediate. Deal retired and ran for Governor, and no one has said anything of consequence since.
Our legislature is quiet because they all know the truth, and hope that their numbers will lessen the outrage should the public gain the confidence to read Minor, or The Venus, or Perkins, or ... for themselves, and demand answers. Likely, they will all say something like We felt there would be race wars if we raised the issue and forced his removal. Silence was the lessor of the evils. And many would agree. But this writer believes that black people in the US are not incapable of seeing the consequences, indeed the fundamental racism, in assuming people of color do not understand the importance of a colorblind republic based upon laws, and not men.
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Why should he continue. From never having held a real job, unless the 31 Flavors stories are true, his income is over $10 million, and that on a salary of around $300k. If he decides to leave the future to Hillary, he can make even more than Bill with occasional speeches, and play golf, or whatever he likes, providing he stays out of jail. Does anyone believe the golfer wants to be a trainer for Acorn again? Barack is a product of the most elite prep school in Hawaii. He was groomed to capitalize on the racial quota politics of the 80s, and proved to be an effective pitch man who could probably pitch as effectively for the right, or for Gucci or Barney's if they would pay him.
Barack, or whatever his name is, can move to the vacation spot so popular with the Saudi families on the coast of Spain scouted by Michelle and her entourage, and live in a beautiful home for the rest of his life. Our courts won't go after him because they failed to protect our Constitution and they all know it. He has done his job well, making billions, perhaps trillions, keeping Goldman Sachs from Lehman Bros. fate, giving GM to the AFL/CIO and stealing from the non-union retirement funds of blue chip investors. Barack is a money machine. Like the dealers in Las Vegas, who learn that tragedy is part of the job, he has done his job, and neither has he any mission to complete, not having the allegiance described by John Bingham, as passed to him from his parents, nor guilt for what he has wrought upon the people who paid Rev Wright enough to live like an investment banker in Baracks, Louis, Bill Ayers, fancy Chicago neighborhood.
485 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 22:21:36 by Spaulding
They watch sports every week !
Officials make calls !
They got oj off scott free !
What more do they want !
how many faye rezniks - marc furmans do they have to put their guilt - racism on !
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