The collapsing black hole is going to take you with it !
To: butterdezillion
I understand your pessimism, but at this point, it looks like the plaintiffs are going to get a chance to make their case and they WOULD have a chance to challenge anything Obama brings to court. I think he’s going to chicken out though. He doesn’t have anything that can pass muster, and he can’t risk a conclusive judgement in court that he’s not Constitutionally eligible for office. It would set off a whole chain of dominoes that Obama don’t wanta play. If he blows this off, he can give up on a default judgment, laugh it off to the press and move onto the next state and try to avoid any further challenges. It is NOT in his best interest to go to court. It’s the same reason people plead the fifth amendment, plead no contest or choose not to testify in court.
129 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 11:08:03 by edge919
Showing his real birth certificate will NOT get him around his father’s British Nationality and his own. There is NO WAY around Minor v. Happersett OR McCarthy v Briscoe 429 US 1317.
Or the 14th amendment. I'm not sure you are looking at things the same way that I am. His behavior since the beginning makes me think he can't even prove 14th amendment citizenship with what is ACTUALLY on file in Hawaii.
If he had had a real, legitimate, bonofide and actual Hawaiian birth certificate which was real proof that he was born in Hawaii, he wouldn't have done most of the stuff he did. He could have gotten a copy of it when the Original birth certificate issue came up in July/August of 2008. That stuff about Hawaii not being able to release it is utter bullsh*t unless it is under court seal, and even then he could have gotten a lawyer to sue for it's release.
I think there is a STRONG possibility that all he has on file is an affidavit of birth which was written and signed by his Grandmother. If this is the case, it will not be perceived as strong proof that he was actually born in this country. It will in fact, inflame his critics and arouse suspicion from the entire electorate.
The good will of giving him the benefit of the doubt will flip to become animosity and distrust against everything he has claimed. (Which is the way it should be if the public wasn't so stupid.)
As i've pointed out to obots, we started with the birth certificate first because if *IT* isn't legit, it is easy for the public to "get it." The American Father NBC thing would have an upwind fight because the public (and the entire legal establishment) is so very ignorant about it.
155 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 11:37:32 by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
To: usar91B; Danae; butterdezillion; DiogenesLamp; Red Steel; GregNH; LucyT; Kenny Bunk; melancholy; ...
Obama’s new 2012 Facebook campaign promo:
“I was born in Hawaii to a single mother.”
Holy Cow!
Single mother???
What happened to BHO Sr and the “improbable love” and marriage??
This looks to me like a signal that the Obama campaign team is pivoting to the “bastard child of a single mother thus unitary US citizenship at birth and not a UK subject at birth” defence on the NBC issue.
Maybe the book “The Other Barack” showing his father was considered by the US INS and U of HI officials to be a bigamist and sexual predator gave them the opening they needed to throw BHO Sr under the bus!
This doesn't get Obama a genuine HI BC but he can still count on HI officials to back him up on that. Meanwhile by declaring his mother to have been single when he was born (as Mooshell said way back when, remember?) gives him strong cover on the NBC issue...because a bastard child cannot be a dual citizen regardless of who his father is.
289 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 2:04:00 PM by Seizethecarp
To: Seizethecarp
That's a rather audacious move on Obama's part.
Does he think that denying the marriage of his mother denies the parentage of his father, regardless of the legality of the marriage? What does he do about the divorce decree?
So, the very story and book that launched Obama into politics must be destroyed in order to keep Obama in politics?
How does that work?
-PJ
321 posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 2:36:31 PM by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
