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Title: Ron Paul gets boos from South Carolina debate audience; can he reclaim momentum?
Source: WP
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit ... 12/01/17/gIQAzLW85P_story.html
Published: Jan 17, 2012
Author: staff
Post Date: 2012-01-17 17:26:11 by buckeroo
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Views: 3418
Comments: 5

Ron Paul has endeared himself to many by refusing to back down from policy ideas that fall far from the GOP mainstream consensus. In Monday night’s debate, some of those views earned him boos from the audience. As AP reported:

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul says he will make deep cuts to the military budget even though many voters in South Carolina and elsewhere are employed by the military.

The Texas congressman was grilled Monday on his position on military spending during a nationally televised presidential debate. He has called for closing bases overseas and reducing spending on what he calls the military industrial complex.

Paul said he wants to protect military jobs domestically and insists there’s a difference between military spending and a strong national defense.

Paul said conservatives should insist on cutting spending on military projects, not just domestic spending. He said overseas military spending should be cut before trimming federal jobless benefits for the long-term unemployment.

Ron Paul’s foreign policy views, which diverge from the rest of his rivals and most of the GOP base, hurt him repeatedly in the debate. As Chris Cillizza explained in his winners and losers analysis:

Ron Paul: Ugh. We don’t often feel bad for politicians — after all, they are putting themselves out there and inviting public scrutiny — but we felt some pangs for the Texas Republican Congressman tonight.

His answers on foreign policy were repeatedly booed and Perry even suggested that a gong should have been used to cut Paul off. While Paul-ites undoubtedly cheered their hero’s willingness to stand up for what he believes in when it comes to U.S. involvement in foreign countries, it’s just not a majority position — or anywhere close to it — in the Republican electorate of South Carolina.

We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: If Paul would deflect all foreign policy questions and turn every answer into something about his economic views, he could be a real contender for the nomination. He won’t do that, so he isn’t.

Audience: The Fix is pro-audience involvement — to a point. Tonight’s debate went beyond that point. Not only were moderators booed for asking questions — just doing their jobs, folks — but it became clear after about 15 minutes that Gingrich, Perry and, to a lesser extent, Santorum were all vamping for crowd reaction in each of their answers.

The result? Lots of conservative red meat thrown on the debate stage but not a lot of serious and detailed discussion that went beyond the candidates’ talking points.

(Sidebar: The level of audience involvement hurt Romney. Unlike his rivals who have nothing to lose by throwing out every rhetorical excess known to man, he has to be far more measured — knowing the Obama opposition research team is always watching.)

Paul and his campaign have hammered again and again the message of small government and reduced spending. Some see his position undermined by his use of first class travel for trips to his home state. As AP reported:

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been spending large amounts on airfare as a congressman, flying first class on dozens of taxpayer-funded flights to his home state. The practice conflicts with the image that Paul portrays as the only presidential candidate serious about cutting federal spending.

Paul flew first class on at least 31 round-trip flights and 12 one-way flights since May 2009 when he was traveling between Washington and his district in Texas, according to a review by The Associated Press of his congressional office expenses. Four other round-trip tickets and two other one-way tickets purchased during the period were eligible for upgrades to first-class after they were bought, but those upgrades would not be documented in the expense records.

Paul, whose distrust of big government is the centerpiece of his presidential campaign, trusts the more expensive government rate for Continental Airlines when buying his tickets. Paul chose not to buy the cheaper economy tickets at a fraction of the price because they aren’t refundable or as flexible for scheduling, his congressional staff said.

“We always get him full refundable tickets since the congressional schedule sometimes changes quickly,” said Jeff Deist, Paul’s chief of staff. Paul might have to pay out of his own pocket for canceled flights in some cases if he didn’t buy refundable tickets, Deist said.

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0) (Edited)

Paul had a very incoherent, and tortured answer as to whether or not we had the right to kill bin Laden under international law. He looked nervous in giving his answer.

The fact is that we did have the authority to kill bin Laden under acts of reprisal in international law. (Technically, acts of reprisal are only legitimate in international law against a state actor. However, the law of reprisals evolved prior to widespread terror groups like al Queda. A strong case can be made that since bin Laden is an armed combatant who wrecked mass destruction on another country, that he was a legitimate target of a reprisal.)

Another fact is that the bulk of GOP voters are out of blood and don't care about international law.

I generally agree with Ron Paul that the U.S. government shouldn't be galavanting around the Middle East in some demented Wilsonian / neo-con attempt to build western civilizations in third world hell holes.

However, we did have every right to kill bin Laden.

Ron Paul hurt himself in South Carolina yesterday.

I hope that his advisers are working on a better answer for Thursday's debate.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-17   17:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#1)

However, we did have every right to kill bin Laden.

I disagree with you. I think your comment is exactly the reason for the increasing unrest about America in Pakistan and the ME overall.

I shall buy your idea about catching the squirrely cretin in Afghanistan or Iraq but without a declaration of war with Pakistan (or any other nation where America discovered his presence) it should have been handled through previous "treaties." His death meant NOTHING toward America; the Muslim was stale about the contemporary.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-01-17   21:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#0)

I was there, I booed w/ the rest of the crowd when Ayatollah Paul blamed the US for his Islamic terrorist friends attacks on the America.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-01-18   7:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#0)

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul says he will make deep cuts to the military budget even though many voters in South Carolina and elsewhere are employed by the military.

The Texas congressman was grilled Monday on his position on military spending during a nationally televised presidential debate. He has called for closing bases overseas and reducing spending on what he calls the military industrial complex.

Paul said he wants to protect military jobs domestically and insists there’s a difference between military spending and a strong national defense.

Paul said conservatives should insist on cutting spending on military projects, not just domestic spending. He said overseas military spending should be cut before trimming federal jobless benefits for the long-term unemployment.

In the land of the military/industrial tit suckers, that's got to be kind of harsh.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-18   12:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Happy Quanzaa (#3) (Edited)

I was there, I booed w/ the rest of the crowd when Ayatollah Paul blamed the US for his Islamic terrorist friends attacks on the America.

And here we thought you conservatives were REALLY for smaller government and lower taxes, evidently you only favor it if someone else's ox is gored.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-18   12:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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