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Title: MERS, the law, and the State
Source: Naked Capitalism
URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012 ... ers-the-law-and-the-state.html
Published: Jan 17, 2012
Author: lambert strether.
Post Date: 2012-01-17 12:12:19 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 12544
Comments: 38

Trotter told me that the “true horror” of MERS [1818 Library Street, Suite 300 Reston, VA 20190, 1-800-646-6377] was what it could do to homeowners who were current on their mortgage payments: The “good” homeowners who still had a job and weren’t facing foreclosure. If there was no legal record of which bank owned their debt [see below if you haven't been following NC on MERS], and the MERS-mortgaged homeowners had been making payments, then who exactly was the homeowner paying? The checks, clearly, were going out every month, cashed by a bank that claimed to own the note. But without the legal record to certify the owner of the note, it followed that the bank could not legally issue the homeowner a clear title to the home. In effect, a homeowner with MERS on his mortgage could spend thirty years paying a lender that wasn’t the owner of the note. …. “[Y]ou’d always be looking over your shoulder,” said Trotter. “Some other lender could come and say ‘No, we owned that note. You paid the wrong guy.” “WIth MERS”, he said, “nobody owns anything. You’re only paying rent.”

That’s not a bug. It’s a feature. At least for a rentier, although not necessarily for Trotter.

Second, Ketcham offers a lucid and succinct explanation of how this MERS feature came to be implemented:

[Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems] was created in 1995 as a privately held venture of the major mortgage-finance operators… Its stated purpose was to manage a confidential electronic registry for tracking of the sale of mortgage loans between lenders… No longer would the traffickers in mortgages have to document their transactions with county clerks, nor would they have to pay the many and varied courthouse fees… This centralized database facilitated the buying and selling of mortgage debt at great speed and greatly reduced cost. … Without the efficiencies [dread word] of MERS there probably would never have been a mortgage bubble.

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#2. To: lucysmom (#0)

Your comments are almost perfectly opposite of reality.

This article is crap, exactly backwards from reality.

If the ownership of the note is in doubt, because the chain of custody is broken (as happens when the docs are shredded and the data is typed into MERS), than the mortgage is null and void.

That is why they had robosigners- to create the illusion of an unbroken chain of custody.

No clear ownership of a payable note? Then the note is moot.

This my first look at that site, BTW. I see now, where you get your inane talking-points. Talk about intellectual lightweights! LMAO!

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-17   15:40:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#2) (Edited)

If the ownership of the note is in doubt, because the chain of custody is broken (as happens when the docs are shredded and the data is typed into MERS), than (sic) the mortgage is null and void.

In your dreams Perry Mason, Jr.

A promissory note is a promissory note and is wholly enforceable. Just because the "chain of custody (was) 'broken'" - whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean in this instance - it does not forgive or otherwise ameliorate any liens that are on the title to the underlying property.

What the issue becomes, whenever there may be a cause of action between the lien holder and the debtor, the lien holder can be forced to show that he has received actual and legal custody of the lien and is thus entitled to take custody of the property through foreclosure.

I'm having that very issue with Bank of America right now. They are the 4th mortgage servicing agent I've had on my mortgage. Over 3 years ago, I asked them, through my attorney, to PROVE that they hold the actual lien on the property.

So far...nothing.

That has not lessened my obligation to pay my mortgage one cent.

war  posted on  2012-01-17   15:53:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war, Brian S (#3)

A promissory note is a promissory note and is wholly enforceable. Just because the "chain of custody (was) 'broken'" - whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean in this instance - it does not forgive or otherwise ameliorate any liens that are on the title to the underlying property.

I'm having that very issue with Bank of America right now. They are the 4th mortgage servicing agent I've had on my mortgage. Over 3 years ago, I asked them, through my attorney, to PROVE that they hold the actual lien on the property.

So far...nothing.

I've posted several articles about this issue already. So has Brian S.

Here are the links to my articles, so you can educate yourself, pops.

Try here, here and here.

For other sites where they discuss the significance of "chain of custody" versus "chain of ownership," there are 671 results at this google search.

Now that I've given you almost 700 links specifically devoted to this exact question, please do some reading.

You can thank me later, for providing the information to you. Oh, and BTW... if they can't provide proof as you demanded, than... you may be in very good shape. :)

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-17   17:39:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#4) (Edited)

MERS was jointly owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (yes, those two, again, I know, I know: Like the chlamydia and the gonorrhea of the financial world- you cure 56;em, but they just keep coming back).

The above is from one of your links. It is true as far as it goes, it just neglects to mention that MERS owners are not limited to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Here is a list from their (MERS) web site:

American Land Title Association
Bank of America
CCO Mortgage Corporation
Chase Home Mortgage Corporation of the Southeast
CitiMortgage, Inc.
Commercial Mortgage Securities Association
CoreLogic
Corinthian Mortgage Corporation
EverHome Mortgage Company
Fannie Mae
First American Title Insurance Corporation
Freddie Mac
GMAC Residential Funding Corporation
Guaranty Bank
HSBC Finance Corporation
MGIC Investor Services Corporation
Mortgage Bankers Association
PMI Mortgage Insurance Company
Stewart Title Guaranty Company
SunTrust Morgage, Inc.
United Guaranty Corporation
Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.
WMC Mortgage Corporation

I suppose if Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are like chlamydia and the gonorrhea, we could say them other private sector financial institutions are like HIV and Herpes.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-17   18:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

Have you nothing to say Eric? No defense? No insults?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-19   8:48:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#19) (Edited)

Have you nothing to say Eric? No defense? No insults?

You just popped his balloon and now he has to figure another angle to 'legally' get out of making his mortgage payments.

Funny how 'capitalist', so many times, is synonymous with 'conniver'.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-19   11:14:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mininggold, (#20)

lucysmom: Have you nothing to say Eric? No defense? No insults?

You've not posted anything worthy of reply, and certainly nothing I need defend.

Dingbatbitch: You just popped his balloon and now he has to figure another angle to 'legally' get out of making his mortgage payments.

Hardly. I bought a REO house 18 months ago. IF the law is interpreted as it should be, there exists a very real chance that the ownership of my house would be brought into question... That is, DID Chase actually own the house I bought from them, or did they foreclose under false pretenses?

UNLIKE you two idiot bimbos, I look at this, not strictly from my own selfish needs, but at the bigger picture... I question whether we still have a legal system that means anything...

You two bimbos think ONLY about yourselves, and don't give a crap about anything else. Your myopic viewpoint is so typical of American women, you've become a couple of walking cliche's. Your theme song is "What have you done for me LATELY?"

It gladdens me to know both of you are gonna' get exactly what you deserve, and you're gonna' get it good and hard.

Heh.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-19   12:06:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Capitalist Eric (#21) (Edited)

Hardly. I bought a REO house 18 months ago. IF the law is interpreted as it should be, there exists a very real chance that the ownership of my house would be brought into question... That is, DID Chase actually own the house I bought from them, or did they foreclose under false pretenses?

I don't know about you, but my last purchased with a mortgage REO had ME listed as the owner on the grant deed, not Golden West Savings. Didn't you purchase TITLE INSURANCE from a TITLE COMPANY? Or maybe you need to bring it up with the judge who handled the foreclosure.

You just want a legal system that allows you to escape your financial obligations.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-19   12:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mininggold (#24)

I don't know...

That much is abundantly clear. The rest of your response simply confirms your gross ignorance of the subject, which means you're wasting my time.

I am unwilling to educate you (and your fellow morons) on the matter. Do your OWN research, and then get back to me.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-19   13:48:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Capitalist Eric (#28) (Edited)

That much is abundantly clear. The rest of your response simply confirms your gross ignorance of the subject, which means you're wasting my time.

I am unwilling to educate you (and your fellow morons) on the matter. Do your OWN research, and then get back to me.

Yet your actions don't support your words...again as you spin yourself silly

Why don't you admit you just want a house for nothing. And next time buy TITLE INSURANCE if you are so interested in the "Chain of Custody" .

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-19   13:53:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: mininggold (#29)

Yet your actions don't support your words...

Your perceptions- unsurprisingly- bear little resemblance to reality.

again as you spin yourself silly

What is "spin," anyway? Lying to make the truth NOT appear to be the truth, right? Point being, I don't "spin," because the FACTS bear me out. You socialists depend heavily on "spin" (aka 'lies') because when people understand what you fuckers are REALLY about, they KILL you.

Why don't you admit you just want a house for nothing.

Why don't you just admit you're a bimbo, and have done with it?

And next time buy TITLE INSURANCE if you are so interested in the "Chain of Custody" .

(((((slapping forehead with palm of hand))))))

Wow, why didn't I think of that???

Holy shit, you're a fucking GENIUS!!!!

Thanks for proving- yet again- that you're one stupid bitch. In mass foreclosure-fraud cases, the title-insurance companies will quickly be wiped out... or had you THOUGHT of that, bimbo?

Your what is generally referred to in military circles as a "sperm receptacle." You must get a lot of attention, at the end of nickel-beer night, eh?

I keep trying to move on from this thread, and you keep coming back with comments so incredibly fucking IGNORANT, I keep being drawn back by the morbid curiosity of what STUPID SHIT you'll say next....?

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-19 22:40:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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