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Title: Ron Paul: How badly does GOP need his voters?
Source: Christian Science Monitor
URL Source: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi ... badly-does-GOP-need-his-voters
Published: Jan 11, 2012
Author: Peter Grier
Post Date: 2012-01-11 21:20:09 by We The People
Keywords: None
Views: 24874
Comments: 48

Many in the GOP realize that Ron Paul is not going to fade away once the early primaries are over. If Ron Paul doesn't win the primary battle, they'll need his voters to win in the general election.

Ron Paul did pretty well in the New Hampshire primary Tuesday. He placed second, slightly outperforming pre-election polls, and – perhaps more importantly – he tripled the number of votes he got in the Granite State when he ran for president in 2008. More and more, many in the GOP are realizing that this time around Ron Paul is a significant phenomenon that’s not going to fade away once the early primaries are over.

They’re also realizing that it’s counterproductive to dismiss the Texas libertarian’s followers as cranks, college students in favor of drug legalization, or disaffected liberals. The 2012 general election is likely to be close, and the GOP will need all the voters it can get.

Thus some in the GOP are beginning to make conciliatory noises about the Paulites. Tea party favorite Sen. Jim DeMint (R) of South Carolina on Wednesday said that the Republican presidential candidates need to listen to Ron Paul and might do well to adopt some of his ideas, particularly on economics.

“One of the things that’s hurt the so-called conservative alternative [candidates] is saying negative things about Ron Paul,” said Senator DeMint on conservative Laura Ingraham’s radio show. “I’d like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas.”

How badly does the GOP need Paul’s voters? Consider this: In New Hampshire, Paul won 47 percent of voters aged 18 to 29.

Making inroads into Barack Obama’s appeal to younger demographics is high on the Republican National Committee’s to-do list. Keeping Paul adherents on the reservation would be one easy way to do that.

Plus, as the National Journal’s Major Garrett notes in a story Tuesday, young voters equal enthusiasm – and the GOP looks like it might actually have a developing enthusiasm problem.

Turnout in the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primaries was fairly strong, but still less than what top Republicans in both states had predicted. If Mitt Romney becomes the nominee, as now appears likely, the party may need as many exciting surrogates as it can get on the campaign trail to try to inject energy into the race.

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#1. To: GOP (#0)

Making inroads into Barack Obama’s appeal to younger demographics is high on the Republican National Committee’s to-do list. Keeping Paul adherents on the reservation would be one easy way to do that.

Yeah, good luck with that.

You're gonna need all the luck you can get.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-11   21:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: We The People (#1)

Think about this. If Obama is reelected he could alter us forever with supreme court picks. I think he would probably start assassinating supreme court judges and installing new ones.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-11   21:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Churchill once said, "if Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons." Churchill believed that the enemy of his enemy was his friend.

I'm not going to make a favorable reference to Hitler or the Devil.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-11   21:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#2)

Think about this. If Obama is reelected he could alter us forever with supreme court picks. I think he would probably start assassinating supreme court judges and installing new ones.

LOL.

If you've learned nothing in the last three years, you should have learned that the SCOTUS is no longer relevant.

The POTUS has dictatorial powers, literally the power of life and death over everyone.

The supreme court picks are an empty issue.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-11   23:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)

If you've learned nothing in the last three years, you should have learned that the SCOTUS is no longer relevant.

lol

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-11   23:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Ok, let's get down to brass tacks...

This barbecue is all yours, and it's all good... (well, mostly... I don't have any gripes about your style, just some of the more obtuse leftist posters, here...)

But the SCOTUS hasn't done anything that's worth a squirt of warm piss, for the last three years... with the exceptions of District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and District of Columbia v. Heller (2010).

If there's more, than please enlighten me... because at this point, the Judicial branch is more of a rubber-stamp on the police-state, than anything else...

I pray to God, that someone will take the NDAA 2012 up to the SCOTUS, and they'll overturn that abomination... but I'm not holding my breath.

I suspect that the Founders knew that, eventually, we'd still reach the point of a tyrannical government, even though the checks and balances were supposed to prevent that... While one may simply dismiss such notions as pure cynicism in the founders, they seem to have known we'd eventually get to the point where the government would declare de facto war on the people.

We've already passed that day, as the NDAA was signed oBUMa, with the full support of an obsequious, idiotic Congress...

If it's NOT overturned, the next step is the ammo-box.

Again, if you think I'm off-base on this, then please enlighten me.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-11   23:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)

The supreme court picks are an empty issue.

unfortunately that seems to be true...and I have zero reason to believe Romney, the establishments choice, would pick ANYONE that will NOT allow them to continue to enslave the people.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-11   23:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

Again, if you think I'm off-base on this, then please enlighten me

I think you're spot on, and I also think we had better prepare for the worst...communist don't have a habit of backing down and it doesn't matter how many bodies they have to create. The glove is about to come off the iron fist. Our one saving grace, beside that from above, is the military doesn't like Obama.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-11   23:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

If it's NOT overturned, the next step is the ammo-box.

Again, if you think I'm off-base on this, then please enlighten me.

Time will tell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-12   6:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

If it's NOT overturned, the next step is the ammo-box.

You evidently have NO idea what a civil war would do to this country.

With your temperament I hope you stay as far away from an ammo box as possible. Foot surgeries can be expensive and most certainly scarce to obtain in your war torn utopia.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   11:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Time will tell.

Your friend Savage was warning yesterday about civil war mongers like Eric.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   11:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11)

Time will tell.

Your friend Savage was warning yesterday about civil war mongers like Eric.

I don't get to listen to Savage much. They replaced him at 1290 whio with some douche bag named Andy Dean. Who I never listen to. Except a few seconds before I change the channel.

I wonder why they replaced Savage with that asshole.

I don't support civil war. We just need to outnumber them at the ballot box.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-12   11:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold (#10)

You evidently have NO idea what a civil war would do to this country.

We're still dealing with the aftermath of the last one.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-12   11:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lucysmom (#13)

We're still dealing with the aftermath of the last one

Eric's just a chickenhawk who will watch the carnage from Russia and wait it out until the effects reach there and he finds he has no safe refuges left.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   11:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#14)

Eric's just a chickenhawk who will watch the carnage from Russia and wait it out until the effects reach there and he finds he has no safe refuges left.

He'll fight the fight with the meanest names he can think of and the nastiest pictures he can find on the internet.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-12   12:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

I suspect that the Founders knew that, eventually, we'd still reach the point of a tyrannical government, even though the checks and balances were supposed to prevent that...

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-12   12:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler, Capitalist Eric (#16)

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

Yeah we saw how well that worked over a 150 years ago.

Both of you pussies will have long taken refuge in the land of your wives as you watch Jefferson's prediction lead to a foreign take over of this country on the TeeBee.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   12:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)

"The supreme court picks are an empty issue."

The SCOTUS will always have enough relavancy to buy the influences of the Justices, erica. Doing so got and kept the Smirk and Snarl show in office.

You are merely mistaking what making it a bought rubber stamp has done to it in terms of making it controlled for a lack of potency.

The only empty issue I see in your post is how you've become more a snarly goat than an insightful interlocutor.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-12   12:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#15)

"He'll fight the fight with the meanest names he can think of and the nastiest pictures he can find on the internet."

Erca will never comprehend the simple truth that just because his head is shaped like a light bulb, that doen't mean he's bright.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-12   12:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#17)

as you watch Jefferson's prediction lead to a foreign take over of this country on the TeeBee.

...in case you aren't aware...the country HAS been taken over...the middle class is being destroyed, our borders are being FORCED to remain wide open, our industry has been shipped offshore, we're 100 TRILLION dollars in debt, we're at war with the nations that aren't real keen on the coming global government, Americans can be assassinated at the executive's whim and now we have NDAA...yes, the takeover happened, apparently while you were watching teebee. Evidently, in your mind, a "foreign" takeover is somehow worse???

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-12   12:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#12)

"Who I never listen to. Except a few seconds before I change the channel."

Your lack of attention span has long been your biggest Achilles heel. You will continually misunderstand the opposition until you develop the focus and patience needed to study them long enough to gain useful insight into the how and why of their belief system well enough to be a potent opponent that can see where to gain traction against them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-12   12:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

LOL!

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-12   12:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: freedomsnotfree (#20) (Edited)

...in case you aren't aware...the country HAS been taken over...the middle class is being destroyed, our borders are being FORCED to remain wide open, our industry has been shipped offshore, we're 100 TRILLION dollars in debt, we're at war with the nations that aren't real keen on the coming global government, Americans can be assassinated at the executive's whim and now we have NDAA...yes, the takeover happened, apparently while you were watching teebee. Evidently, in your mind, a "foreign" takeover is somehow worse???

And the GOP wants more of the same as evidenced by it's support of candidates and their various alliances that will only insure more of the same. And I do include Ron Paul and his free market fantasies in the mix. Although I do like his foreign policies, I'm sure one can argue that a free market is one that takes advantage of every angle and that includes lobbying for foreign intervention in the pursuit of resources and markets.

You have no idea what you are talking about when you minimize the effects of a foreign take over. Read your history please.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   12:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mininggold (#23)

You have no idea what you are talking about when you minimize the effects of a foreign take over. Read your history please.

I have studied history...and if you had, you'd know that in the last century alone, over 100 million people were slaughtered BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT!!! Why on earth do you think these laws, such as DNAA, are being passed...for FUN??

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-12   13:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#23)

Although I do like his foreign policies, I'm sure one can argue that a free market is one that takes advantage of every angle and that includes lobbying for foreign intervention in the pursuit of resources and markets

...abolish corporations. outlaw monopolies.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-12   13:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: freedomsnotfree (#24)

I have studied history...and if you had, you'd know that in the last century alone, over 100 million people were slaughtered BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT!!! Why on earth do you think these laws, such as DNAA, are being passed...for FUN??

So you want to invite conditions whereby rogue governments can find a niche here? We already have a political process by which laws can be changed or terminated. First we need to show the will.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   13:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: freedomsnotfree (#25)

...abolish corporations. outlaw monopolies.

Is regulating out of existence interference with the working of the free market?

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-12   13:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mininggold (#10)

You evidently have NO idea what a civil war would do to this country.

Really? And this statement is based on.... what, exactly? Let's be blunt: you're a sheep, waiting for the slaughter. And what makes it worse, is that you're proud of it.

It is truly impossible, for you to comprehend how much I loathe and detest you. You are utterly despicable.

With your temperament I hope you stay as far away from an ammo box as possible.

More bleating from the sheep.

My particular favorite is the Savage BAS-K, in .308W, with a SS-16 mil-dot. It's box-stock, and a tack-driver. I run Federal Gold Medal Match ammo, 168-gr BTHP, though I'm now reloading 180-gr Spitzer BT, with ~42 grains of Winchester 748 powder. I lose a little muzzle velocity, but the Spitzer rounds pack far more punch down-range, than the match rounds.

Foot surgeries can be expensive and most certainly scarce to obtain in your war torn utopia.

More bleating from the sheep.

You're not smart enough to quit while you're already behind.

Pffft.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   13:14:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#27)

Is regulating out of existence interference with the working of the free market?

My definition of free is that anything goes and we are able to revel in the glory of the resulting chaos. Carrying around all those heavy metals needed for trade will slow things up a bit though, and give robbers an edge.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   13:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#28) (Edited)

More bleating from the sheep.

You're not smart enough to quit while you're already behind.

Pffft.

That's a great pic Eric. Does it shoot over the internet? Are you going to use it to force doctors to perform foot surgery on you?

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   13:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: freedomsnotfree, mininggold (#24)

mininggold: You have no idea what you are talking about when you minimize the effects of a foreign take over. Read your history please.

freedomsnotfree: I have studied history...and if you had, you'd know that in the last century alone, over 100 million people were slaughtered BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT!!! Why on earth do you think these laws, such as DNAA, are being passed...for FUN??

BRILLIANT, Freedom. BRILLIANT.

You'll notice that dingaling makes such sweeping statements, such as "read your history," while at the same time giving clear proof that she has NO idea about the lessons of history... [Is she a product of the publik skool system???]

When the NDAA was brought up in the Senate, I was... stunned. I immediately started buying more supplies (and am still doing so). Call it the straw that broke the camel's back, for a LOT of us...

And NOW, the “HR 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act,” being pushed by Congress, has pushed us well beyond that, into the surreal. Look it up, if you don't believe me...

Oh, I'm sure dingaling will push the agenda that we should all be good little sheep, and just 'go along to get along.' She's either too stupid or too weak, to stand for what's right. You see, it's easier to not fight... Of course, that's how you get all the livestock into a slaughter-house.

The FACT that dingbat doesn't get, is that the government has already declared war on the American people!!!

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. --John F. Kennedy--

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   13:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)

BRILLIANT, Freedom. BRILLIANT.

You'll notice that dingaling makes such sweeping statements, such as "read your history," while at the same time giving clear proof that she has NO idea about the lessons of history... [Is she a product of the publik skool system???]

When the NDAA was brought up in the Senate, I was... stunned. I immediately started buying more supplies (and am still doing so). Call it the straw that broke the camel's back, for a LOT of us...

And NOW, the “HR 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act,” being pushed by Congress, has pushed us well beyond that, into the surreal. Look it up, if you don't believe me...

Oh, I'm sure dingaling will push the agenda that we should all be good little sheep, and just 'go along to get along.' She's either too stupid or too weak, to stand for what's right. You see, it's easier to not fight... Of course, that's how you get all the livestock into a slaughter-house.

The FACT that dingbat doesn't get, is that the government has already declared war on the American people!!!

You seem to have the viewpoint of a disinterested foreigner when it comes to US history.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   13:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mininggold, jwpegler (#17)

Both of you pussies will have long taken refuge in the land of your wives as you watch Jefferson's prediction lead to a foreign take over of this country on the TeeBee.

While my wife and daughters enjoy dual citizenship, I do not. So I don't have the option to go somewhere else.

I guess I'll stay and fight, while you'll bleat with the rest of the sheep.

You don't deserve freedom. You don't appreciate it, and you won't FIGHT for it.

I take great comfort in knowing that you will get everything you DO deserve... May you get it good and hard.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   13:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)

BRILLIANT, Freedom. BRILLIANT.

You'll notice that dingaling makes such sweeping statements, such as "read your history," while at the same time giving clear proof that she has NO idea about the lessons of history... [Is she a product of the publik skool system???]

When the NDAA was brought up in the Senate, I was... stunned. I immediately started buying more supplies (and am still doing so). Call it the straw that broke the camel's back, for a LOT of us...

And NOW, the “HR 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act,” being pushed by Congress, has pushed us well beyond that, into the surreal. Look it up, if you don't believe me...

Oh, I'm sure dingaling will push the agenda that we should all be good little sheep, and just 'go along to get along.' She's either too stupid or too weak, to stand for what's right. You see, it's easier to not fight... Of course, that's how you get all the livestock into a slaughter-house.

The FACT that dingbat doesn't get, is that the government has already declared war on the American people!!!

You seem to have the viewpoint of a disinterested foreigner when it comes to US history.

Not everyone could afford to attend those elite and probably foreign private schools.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   13:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#32)

You seem to have the viewpoint of a disinterested foreigner when it comes to US history.

You seem to have your head up your fat ass.

How unusual. ((((eyeball roll*))))

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   13:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#35) (Edited)

You seem to have your head up your fat ass.

How unusual. ((((eyeball roll*))))

Actually getting you to show off your vacuous knowledge on US history is priceless.

What's with all you sissy elites and your eyeball rolls?

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   13:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mininggold (#36)

Erica probably can't even disassemble and clean an M16A2 rifle without his kid's help.

He is always so long on bluster it makes good sense to wonder if there is truly any mental horsepower behind it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-12   14:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#33) (Edited)

While my wife and daughters enjoy dual citizenship, I do not. So I don't have the option to go somewhere else.

I guess I'll stay and fight, while you'll bleat with the rest of the sheep.

You don't deserve freedom. You don't appreciate it, and you won't FIGHT for it.

I take great comfort in knowing that you will get everything you DO deserve... May you get it good and hard.

No one mentioned you being a citizen, but I'm sure she can sneak such a financial and intellectual asset as yourself into her country for a long stay with no problem.

I'm sure Russia issues student visas so there would be no issue of you having to drop your professional student status.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   14:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mininggold (#36)

Actually getting you to show off your vacuous knowledge on US history is priceless.

I love irony.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   15:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

Erica probably can't even disassemble and clean an M16A2 rifle without his kid's help.

Had you said you liked the Armalite AR10A2B, it would have been a tip-off that you actually know something about weapons.

Being a rejected ground-pounder, though, all you know is a shitty .22 rifle.

LOL.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   15:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#38)

I'm sure Russia issues student visas so there would be no issue of you having to drop your professional student status.

Due to seriously declining population, life expectancy for males is 60 years, the government is encouraging immigration by offering incentives.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-12   15:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#38)

You don't deserve freedom. You don't appreciate it, and you won't FIGHT for it.

I take great comfort in knowing that you will get everything you DO deserve... May you get it good and hard.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-12   15:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Capitalist Eric (#33)

You don't deserve freedom. You don't appreciate it, and you won't FIGHT for it.

Like many children in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, she doesn't even know what freedom is...


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-01-12   16:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mininggold (#29)

My definition of free is that anything goes and we are able to revel in the glory of the resulting chaos.

Are you sure you're not mistaking a free market for anarchy?

We The People  posted on  2012-01-12   18:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: jwpegler (#43)

Like many children in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, she doesn't even know what freedom is...

Speaking of childlike, I do know you are too chicken and afraid to discuss issues with posters directly.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   20:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: We The People (#44)

Are you sure you're not mistaking a free market for anarchy?

What would be the difference? Any body that would be making and enforcing rules and regulations would be just another form of government that's so hated by libertarians

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-12   20:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold, we the people (#46)

Are you sure you're not mistaking a free market for anarchy? What would be the difference? Any body that would be making and enforcing rules and regulations would be just another form of government that's so hated by libertarians

Wrong...on one end of the spectrum you have Communism...on the other end of the spectrum you have anarchy...in the middle is the Constitutional Republic,...where property rights are respected, no one is above the law, money is honest, monopolies are outlawed, the rule of law is respected and a crime is committed when there is an actual victim...and NOT the state. You have the personal freedom to fail but also have to take the responsibility for your bad choices... take a good look at the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto and tell me which one we're NOT living under. You should do some soul searching and ask yourself WHY freedom scares you so bad. That's not meant as an insult...it's a serious question.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-12   20:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

I pray to God, that someone will take the NDAA 2012 up to the SCOTUS, and they'll overturn that abomination... but I'm not holding my breath.

Will anyone be able to? I'm not a lawyer and have no idea how it works, but hasn't the excuse for not being able to take action against Obama and/or the government over the last several years been "no standing?" If the law has to be used against you before you "have standing" and the NDAA is such that once it is used against you, you have no access to the court system, then how will it be taken to the SCOTUS?

As I stated, I am no lawyer and I have no idea if this is what would happen but it worries me.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-01-14   10:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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