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Title: FACT CHECK: Did Gingrich shirk military duty?
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2012/ ... d-gingrich-shirk-military-duty
Published: Jan 10, 2012
Author: Pauline Jelinek
Post Date: 2012-01-10 17:02:34 by Mad Dog
Keywords: CULT hero, LIES, SOP
Views: 34265
Comments: 54

WASHINGTON — The ghosts of the Vietnam War are stirring again as GOP presidential candidates fight for position in the primary elections.

Vietnam veteran Ron Paul has called Newt Gingrich a "chicken hawk," asserting in Saturday's GOP candidates debate that Gingrich shirked military service and so shouldn't have the power to send others to war.

A review of government records finds no evidence that Gingrich dodged any legal responsibilities as a draft-aged young man in the 1960s. Paul was drafted, but Gingrich wasn't, apparently the result of changing draft regulations.

Here's the testy exchange the two had when the subject came up Saturday:

PAUL: "I think people who don't serve when they could and they get three or four or even five deferments ... they have no right to send our kids off to war." He added: "I'm trying to stop the wars, but at least, you know, I went when they called me up."

GINGRICH: "The fact is, I never asked for deferment. I was married with a child. It was never a question..."

PAUL: "...When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids, and I went."

THE FACTS: It's true that Paul was a husband and father when he served as an active-duty Air Force doctor from 1963-1965. He turned 18 in 1953, finished medical school in 1961 and was drafted in 1962 under a law that said fathers had to serve unless their induction would cause their dependents extreme hardship.

But the draft was changed the following year, giving all fathers a pass without having to prove hardship. Gingrich registered for the draft when he turned 18 in 1961 and was contacted by his draft board to fill out a general information questionnaire in mid-1963. Upon reviewing the questionnaire, the board gave him a deferment on the basis of having a child, Selective Service System officials said Tuesday after reviewing ledgers from the era.

"I wasn't eligible for the draft," Gingrich said in Saturday's exchange, repeating for emphasis: "I wasn't eligible for the draft."

Strictly speaking, it's true that fathers were not eligible to be drafted at that time — just as students got deferments and were not eligible to be compelled into the armed forces then. That doesn't mean Gingrich couldn't serve — he could have joined the military voluntarily. It only means the government couldn't conscript him.

In a 1985 interview with The Wall Street Journal, Gingrich said: "Given everything I believe in, a large part of me thinks I should have gone over." Then, he added: "Part of the question I had to ask myself was what difference I would have made."

As for Paul's feelings on who should be in a position to send troops to war, it's hardly a new sentiment. But the number of veterans who eventually found their way to Congress or the White House or as other national leaders also has shifted with changing American times.

The reality today is that less than 1 percent of Americans serve in the all-volunteer armed forces built after the draft was ended. That has meant a greatly diminished pool of veterans available to run for political office and far fewer serving in Congress than in the past. Upcoming budget cuts will shrink the force further.

Over the nation's history, about two-thirds of presidents have served in the military in some capacity.

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#3. To: All (#0)

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So let me get this correct, the wee failed FRAUD hero of the RonniePAULIE CULT EVADED the Vietnam DRAFT for several years while he went to college and med school, then only actually went active duty into the Service, (Air Force), after he was DRAFTED; is TRYING to call another guy, who did the EXACT same THING as that he, (RP), did; a "chickenhawk"?

REALLY?

You CULTIST pinheads really manage to twist THAT out of the FACTS already presented?

PITIFUL.

F' ing CULT boy MORONS.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   17:18:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mad Dog (#3)

So let me get this correct, the wee failed FRAUD hero of the RonniePAULIE CULT EVADED the Vietnam DRAFT for several years while he went to college and med school, then only actually went active duty into the Service, (Air Force), after he was DRAFTED; is TRYING to call another guy, who did the EXACT same THING as that he, (RP), did; a "chickenhawk"?

Yep, Paul served, Gingrich didn't, and to most ignorant dumbasses in Alaska, that is EXACTLY the same thing.

Paul didn't evade anything, and you have the worst case of Paul Derangement Syndrome I've ever seen.

First, according to you, he wants to do away with the US Armed Forces, now he did the exact same thing as Gingrich, even though HE SERVED and Gingrich didn't.

Geezus man, you really are reality challenged.

We The People  posted on  2012-01-10   19:21:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: We The People (#8)

So let me get this correct, the wee failed FRAUD hero of the RonniePAULIE CULT EVADED the Vietnam DRAFT for several years while he went to college and med school, then only actually went active duty into the Service, (Air Force), after he was DRAFTED; is TRYING to call another guy, who did the EXACT same THING as that he, (RP), did; a "chickenhawk"? Yep, Paul served, Gingrich didn't, and to most ignorant dumbasses in Alaska, that is EXACTLY the same thing.

Paul didn't evade anything, and you have the worst case of Paul Derangement Syndrome I've ever seen.

First, according to you, he wants to do away with the US Armed Forces, now he did the exact same thing as Gingrich, even though HE SERVED and Gingrich didn't.

Geezus man, you really are reality challenged.

YOU HYPOCRITE CULT boy MORON, BOTH your wee hero AND Gingrich EVADED the DRAFT.

Your wee failed FRAUD hero just had the bad luck to actually get DRAFTED, Gingrich wasn't even eligible for the DRAFT you simpleton bitch.

so YES you brain dead little punk, they were EXACTLY the same.

NEITHER OF THESE POLITICIANS VOLUNTEERED for the service MORON.

RP only served because HE WAS DRAFTED.

Keep your dear RP double standard close CULT boy

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   19:57:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mad Dog (#15)

RP only served because HE WAS DRAFTED.

So what???? He served, you dumbass!

His service doesn't count because he was drafted?

That will be HUGE news to MILLIONS of Vietnam veterans!

2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam.

How many of those were drafted? Does their service to their country not count either?!?

We The People  posted on  2012-01-10   20:08:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: We The People (#21)

RP only served because HE WAS DRAFTED. So what???? He served, you dumbass!

His service doesn't count because he was drafted?

That will be HUGE news to MILLIONS of Vietnam veterans!

2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam.

How many of those were drafted? Does their service to their country not count either?!?

Don't even try to give me that bullshit you lying cult boy bitch.

ALL who served with HONOR deserve HONOR for their service.

The discussion was about how BOTH of THESE POLITICIANS dealt with the Vietnam WAR, and the DRAFT, and how one TRIED to call the other one a "chickenhawk".

Were YOU there bitch?

Did YOU wait to be DRAFTED bitch?

Did you EVADE the DRAFT by going to school bitch?

Well BOTH of THEM did.

YOUR wee hero only served after he was DRAFTED, which speaks to his "chickenhawk" attitude BEFORE he was DRAFTED. IF HE WASN'T a "chickenhawk" why didn't RP VOLUNTEER?

Gingrich wasn't even eligible for the draft because of a change in the LAW that he had nothing to do with.

Your wee failed FRAUD hero LIED about the comparison between him and Gingrich, RP HAD to go he was DRAFTED. Gingrich wasn't even eligible for the draft.

I know a WHORE like you can't work that out, it's Fucking rocket science as far as you PaulTARDS are concerned.

Then, you miserable cunt you TRY to twist my meaning into disrespect for draftees?

You are a FOUL piece of work TARD.

Where and when did YOU serve again asshole?

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   20:20:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mad Dog (#25)

ALL who served with HONOR deserve HONOR for their service.

Then show some fucking respect for a Vietnam veteran and don't put forth some bullshit insinuation that Paul and Gingrich did the exact same thing!

Were YOU there bitch?

I was 12, BITCH!

Where and when did YOU serve again asshole?

I served from 1976 to 1982, 4 years active and 2 National Guard. THAT'S the WHEN, BITCH! And I enlisted.

As far as the what and where, you don't have the clearance to know or the IQ to understand.

So you go FUCK YOURSELF, you dishonorable BITCH!

We The People  posted on  2012-01-10   20:32:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: We The People, Mad Dog, calcon (#31)

So you go FUCK YOURSELF, you dishonorable BITCH!

It really IS simple calFAG.

Really it is calFAG,

unny shit coming from a alaskan loser, who the fuck lives in that shit hole other then degenerate losers like yourself.

shit state full of pussies

How come you aren't smart enough to figure it out calFAG

Come on. Get back on the subject of the thread and quit the shit talk.

Moderator X  posted on  2012-01-11   16:10:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Moderator X, A K A Stone (#47)

Come on. Get back on the subject of the thread and quit the shit talk.

Who are you?

Stone, is this guy a moderator here?

We The People  posted on  2012-01-11   20:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: We The People (#51)

It's Stone himself being...weeelll...Stone himself....

war  posted on  2012-01-11 20:42:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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