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Title: FACT CHECK: Did Gingrich shirk military duty?
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URL Source: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2012/ ... d-gingrich-shirk-military-duty
Published: Jan 10, 2012
Author: Pauline Jelinek
Post Date: 2012-01-10 17:02:34 by Mad Dog
Keywords: CULT hero, LIES, SOP
Views: 34241
Comments: 54
WASHINGTON — The ghosts of the Vietnam War are stirring again as GOP presidential candidates fight for position in the primary elections. Vietnam veteran Ron Paul has called Newt Gingrich a "chicken hawk," asserting in Saturday's GOP candidates debate that Gingrich shirked military service and so shouldn't have the power to send others to war. A review of government records finds no evidence that Gingrich dodged any legal responsibilities as a draft-aged young man in the 1960s. Paul was drafted, but Gingrich wasn't, apparently the result of changing draft regulations. Here's the testy exchange the two had when the subject came up Saturday: PAUL: "I think people who don't serve when they could and they get three or four or even five deferments ... they have no right to send our kids off to war." He added: "I'm trying to stop the wars, but at least, you know, I went when they called me up." GINGRICH: "The fact is, I never asked for deferment. I was married with a child. It was never a question..." PAUL: "...When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids, and I went." THE FACTS: It's true that Paul was a husband and father when he served as an active-duty Air Force doctor from 1963-1965. He turned 18 in 1953, finished medical school in 1961 and was drafted in 1962 under a law that said fathers had to serve unless their induction would cause their dependents extreme hardship. But the draft was changed the following year, giving all fathers a pass without having to prove hardship. Gingrich registered for the draft when he turned 18 in 1961 and was contacted by his draft board to fill out a general information questionnaire in mid-1963. Upon reviewing the questionnaire, the board gave him a deferment on the basis of having a child, Selective Service System officials said Tuesday after reviewing ledgers from the era. "I wasn't eligible for the draft," Gingrich said in Saturday's exchange, repeating for emphasis: "I wasn't eligible for the draft." Strictly speaking, it's true that fathers were not eligible to be drafted at that time — just as students got deferments and were not eligible to be compelled into the armed forces then. That doesn't mean Gingrich couldn't serve — he could have joined the military voluntarily. It only means the government couldn't conscript him. In a 1985 interview with The Wall Street Journal, Gingrich said: "Given everything I believe in, a large part of me thinks I should have gone over." Then, he added: "Part of the question I had to ask myself was what difference I would have made." As for Paul's feelings on who should be in a position to send troops to war, it's hardly a new sentiment. But the number of veterans who eventually found their way to Congress or the White House or as other national leaders also has shifted with changing American times. The reality today is that less than 1 percent of Americans serve in the all-volunteer armed forces built after the draft was ended. That has meant a greatly diminished pool of veterans available to run for political office and far fewer serving in Congress than in the past. Upcoming budget cuts will shrink the force further. Over the nation's history, about two-thirds of presidents have served in the military in some capacity.
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#14. To: jwpegler (#6)
That is a fact. Neither did your wee failed FRAUD hero you gibbering CULT boy bitch! You simpering PaulTARD HYPOCRITE bitch, your hero EVADED the DRAFT for YEARS until it GOT him. That's the entire point you F' ing brain dead CULT boy WHORE. You PaulTARD WHORES use a very pliant double standard when talking about your wee savior. IDIOT HYPOCRITES!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Paul didn't evade anything, and you have the worst case of Paul Derangement Syndrome I've ever seen. First, according to you, he wants to do away with the US Armed Forces, now he did the exact same thing as Gingrich, even though HE SERVED and Gingrich didn't. Geezus man, you really are reality challenged. YOU HYPOCRITE CULT boy MORON, BOTH your wee hero AND Gingrich EVADED the DRAFT. Your wee failed FRAUD hero just had the bad luck to actually get DRAFTED, Gingrich wasn't even eligible for the DRAFT you simpleton bitch. so YES you brain dead little punk, they were EXACTLY the same. NEITHER OF THESE POLITICIANS VOLUNTEERED for the service MORON. RP only served because HE WAS DRAFTED. Keep your dear RP double standard close CULT boy
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Is that an actual English language sentence? No. F for grammar, bozo. You fail as always. loser. How is yukon's buthole doing this days? Is it still exciting for you?
. GeeSSUSS H. KEY RIGHTIST this site is a Fucking preschool filled with stoopid, spoiled, arrogant punk assed children.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Don't forget the whining, yelping, howling mutt, that is YOU.
. Unlike you worthless cunts I have a life. I waste way too much time over here pretending that you stupid cunts are capable of actual independent or logical thought. LOL! As if YOU even matter? Nice picture of your wife btw cunt.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. LOL! What a weak assed little PUNK cunt you are bitch! LMAO! You don't even know what "grammar" IS asswipe. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! When you know the rules, you can break the rules FOOL. ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! calFAG is that you calFAG? Nobody cares what your sexual fantasies are calFAG. DEAL with it cunt.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
So what???? He served, you dumbass! His service doesn't count because he was drafted? That will be HUGE news to MILLIONS of Vietnam veterans! 2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam. How many of those were drafted? Does their service to their country not count either?!?
We understand your frustration... When even a tuba-lard yukon woman rejects your fat ass, you go beat off and then come out here swearing at us in order to take your sexual rejection out on the rest of us. We get it. We certainly don't agree with your behavior, but we understand it. May we suggest a talking blow up doll as a substitute for a real woman? Oh baby... that tiny little thing you have...
That was one of my favorite child hood books.
tell it like it is man
His service doesn't count because he was drafted? That will be HUGE news to MILLIONS of Vietnam veterans! 2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam. How many of those were drafted? Does their service to their country not count either?!? Don't even try to give me that bullshit you lying cult boy bitch. ALL who served with HONOR deserve HONOR for their service. The discussion was about how BOTH of THESE POLITICIANS dealt with the Vietnam WAR, and the DRAFT, and how one TRIED to call the other one a "chickenhawk". Were YOU there bitch? Did YOU wait to be DRAFTED bitch? Did you EVADE the DRAFT by going to school bitch? Well BOTH of THEM did. YOUR wee hero only served after he was DRAFTED, which speaks to his "chickenhawk" attitude BEFORE he was DRAFTED. IF HE WASN'T a "chickenhawk" why didn't RP VOLUNTEER? Gingrich wasn't even eligible for the draft because of a change in the LAW that he had nothing to do with. Your wee failed FRAUD hero LIED about the comparison between him and Gingrich, RP HAD to go he was DRAFTED. Gingrich wasn't even eligible for the draft. I know a WHORE like you can't work that out, it's Fucking rocket science as far as you PaulTARDS are concerned. Then, you miserable cunt you TRY to twist my meaning into disrespect for draftees? You are a FOUL piece of work TARD. Where and when did YOU serve again asshole?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
it's simple Paul served in vietnam, gingrich chickened out, doesn't matter whether he was drafted or enlisted, he was MAN enough to go while newt hid like a little girl he's such a cowardly faggot i'm surprised he doesn't live in alaska with all the other half men
. Naw you little cunt, I like the way your tiny pin heads explode every time the TRUTH about your little CULT hero is stated. calFAG is that you calFAG? You have this thread confused with your faggot therapy group calFAG. Nobody except your fellow PaulTARDS care about your QUEER fantasies calFAG. LMAO!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
no shit, we're all wondering when stone is going to ban your punk ass
. It really IS simple calFAG. Really it is calFAG, How come you aren't smart enough to figure it out calFAG? YAWN ... Basic FACT. Book of FAGGOT states #1 Kalipornia = FAGGOT ground zero. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
where did you serve, whiny bitch, i'm betting like the other alaskan chickenhawk, your punk ass weaseled out too. if "they didn't ask", then why the hell "did you tell"?
Then show some fucking respect for a Vietnam veteran and don't put forth some bullshit insinuation that Paul and Gingrich did the exact same thing! Were YOU there bitch? I was 12, BITCH! Where and when did YOU serve again asshole? I served from 1976 to 1982, 4 years active and 2 National Guard. THAT'S the WHEN, BITCH! And I enlisted. As far as the what and where, you don't have the clearance to know or the IQ to understand. So you go FUCK YOURSELF, you dishonorable BITCH!
funny shit coming from a alaskan loser, who the fuck lives in that shit hole other then degenerate losers like yourself. shit state full of pussies who couldn't make it in the lower 48, so they have to load their jalopy and head to America's outhouse
me too whiny bitch, USASA 1964 to 1969, two tours in vietnam and I friggin enlisted come on bitch tell us when you served,
i'm betting we won't see his punk ass for awhile dishonorable assholes tend to run and hide,
dishonorable assholes tend to run and hide, I'd like to see him right now, face to face. I'd WORK that dumbass right now. You just don't talk shit about a Vietnam veteran who served his country honorably and liken him to some fucking progressive douche like Gingrich. Not unless you're a progressive douche yourself.
I didn't know that! Geeezz, how long have I known you and I didn't know that!
Geeezz, how long have I known you and I didn't know that! i only mention it when some chickenhawk like whiny bitch runs off his stupid ass mouth
i'm sure he is, typical progressive chickenhawk, the only balls he has are some one else's banging against his chin
You can tell from this quote; "YOUR wee hero only served after he was DRAFTED, which speaks to his "chickenhawk" attitude BEFORE he was DRAFTED. IF HE WASN'T a "chickenhawk" why didn't RP VOLUNTEER?" that he doesn't even know what chickenhawk means. Freaking dumbass.
Dawg - are you going to take that whimpering like a little
puppy? Lets see some growling, here.
i'm sorry if i made you cry like a fourteen year old girl, mad dog. pretty sad when a dude from california bitch slaps some rugged macho man from alaska like yourself
There the Then again I understand you're more of a... ....man...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I was LMAO when I saw that...
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
My grandson loves that book!
It would be nice if these Jack Boot Thug military criminal assholes could police their own like LE does. I'm about tired of my tax money paying for these suck holes to beat their wives, steal equipment... drive drunk... SMUGGLE DRUGS over the Mexican border... pointing rifles at cops... GrandIsland posted on 2011-07-31 0:49:30 ET Reply Trace
We don't want to see your ass. Seriously.
Hey! There you are. Instead of picking on war, why don't YOU pick on Mad Dog? He stincks up this place with all of his graffiti.
It really IS simple calFAG. Really it is calFAG, unny shit coming from a alaskan loser, who the fuck lives in that shit hole other then degenerate losers like yourself. shit state full of pussies How come you aren't smart enough to figure it out calFAG Come on. Get back on the subject of the thread and quit the shit talk.
Hi buckeroo. Already addressed.
Mad Dawg brings out the wurst (sic) in people.
Don't kick our little puppy off the board!
Who are you? Stone, is this guy a moderator here?
Stop posting then. 'Twill ne'er be s'en agi'n....
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
It's Stone himself being...weeelll...Stone himself....
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
You're kidding, right? RIGHT??????????????? Mad dog has picked his name for a very specific reason, and his posts demonstrate his reasons.... He doesn't discuss the subject of a thread, he just comes across like a rabid animal that you'd just as soon shoot. All he does is talk shit... And if you're on the wrong side of whatever his viewpoint happens to be, than the posts above are what he does.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
Gingrich didn't volunteer, like I did.
#15. To: We The People (#8)
So let me get this correct, the wee failed FRAUD hero of the RonniePAULIE CULT EVADED the Vietnam DRAFT for several years while he went to college and med school, then only actually went active duty into the Service, (Air Force), after he was DRAFTED; is TRYING to call another guy, who did the EXACT same THING as that he, (RP), did; a "chickenhawk"? Yep, Paul served, Gingrich didn't, and to most ignorant dumbasses in Alaska, that is EXACTLY the same thing.
#16. To: Mad Dog (#14)
Neither did your wee failed FRAUD hero you gibbering CULT boy bitch!
#17. To: A K A Stone (#11)
#18. To: Mad Dog (#17)
#19. To: jwpegler (#13)
#20. To: jwpegler (#16)
#21. To: Mad Dog (#15)
RP only served because HE WAS DRAFTED.
#22. To: Mad Dog (#19)
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I waste way too much time over here
#23. To: Mad Dog (#17)
GeeSSUSS H. KEY RIGHTIST this site is a Fucking preschool filled with stoopid, spoiled, arrogant punk assed children.
#24. To: jwpegler (#6)
#25. To: We The People (#21)
RP only served because HE WAS DRAFTED. So what???? He served, you dumbass!
#26. To: Mad Dog (#15)
#27. To: jwpegler (#22)
#28. To: Mad Dog (#17)
this site is a Fucking preschool filled with stoopid, spoiled, arrogant punk assed children.
#29. To: calcon (#26)
#30. To: Mad Dog (#25)
Where and when did YOU serve again asshole?
#31. To: Mad Dog (#25)
ALL who served with HONOR deserve HONOR for their service.
#32. To: Mad Dog (#29)
#33. To: mad dog, We The People (#31)
I served from 1976 to 1982, 4 years active and 2 National Guard. THAT'S the WHEN, BITCH! And I enlisted.
#34. To: We The People (#31)
#35. To: calcon (#34)
i'm betting we won't see his punk ass for awhile
#36. To: calcon (#33)
two tours in vietnam and I friggin enlisted
#37. To: We The People (#36)
I didn't know that!
#38. To: We The People, (#35)
Not unless you're a progressive douche yourself.
#39. To: calcon (#38)
#40. To: Mad Dog, calcon, We The People (#38)
calcon: [Mad Dog] typical progressive chickenhawk,
#41. To: buckeroo, Mad Dog, We The People (#40)
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#42. To: Mad Dog (#19)
#43. To: buckeroo (#40)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#11)
#45. To: war (#42)
#46. To: Moderator X, war, Mad Dog (#45)
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#47. To: We The People, Mad Dog, calcon (#31)
So you go FUCK YOURSELF, you dishonorable BITCH!
#48. To: buckeroo, Mad Dog (#46)
Hey! There you are. Instead of picking on war, why don't YOU pick on Mad Dog? He stincks up this place with all of his graffiti.
#49. To: Moderator X (#47)
#50. To: Moderator X (#48)
Already addressed.
#51. To: Moderator X, A K A Stone (#47)
Come on. Get back on the subject of the thread and quit the shit talk.
#52. To: Moderator X (#45)
#53. To: We The People (#51)
#54. To: Moderator X (#47)
Come on. Get back on the subject of the thread and quit the shit talk.
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