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Title: Obama defies Senate, appointing consumer, labor officials
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URL Source: http://www.thesunnews.com/2012/01/0 ... a-make-recess-appointment.html
Published: Jan 4, 2012
Author: Lesley Clark and Tony Pugh
Post Date: 2012-01-04 23:22:22 by Mad Dog
Keywords: IMPEACH, this, INSANE COMMIE monster
Views: 141486
Comments: 237

WASHINGTON — A defiant President Barack Obama sidestepped Congress on Wednesday and appointed a new consumer watchdog, locking horns with Republicans, who immediately accused the president of exceeding his authority to appoint a director to an agency they oppose.

Speaking at a high school in the election battleground state of Ohio with his nominee for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau by his side, Obama struck a populist tone and blamed congressional Republicans for stalling the appointment of former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray as “America’s consumer watchdog.”

“I’ve got an obligation to act on behalf of the American people,” the president said. “And I’m not going to stand by while a minority in the Senate puts party ideology ahead of the people that we were elected to serve.”

Obama defies Senate, appoints consumer and labor officials Obama defies Senate, appoints consumer and labor officials A defiant President Barack Obama sidestepped Congress on Wednesday and appointed a new consumer watchdog, locking horns with Republicans, who immediately accused the president of exceeding his authority to appoint a director to an agency they oppose.

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau opens Consumer Financial Protection Bureau opens The most tangible government reform to grow out of the Great Recession officially goes live this week when the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau assumes its regulatory authority on Thursday. Ex-Ohio attorney general picked to lead consumer finance watchdog agency Ex- Ohio attorney general picked to lead consumer finance watchdog agency President Barack Obama will nominate Richard Cordray, who as Ohio's attorney general was a leader in state policing of financial industry abuses, to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that formally opens its doors this week, the White House said Sunday.

Stirring up a fight, Obama names consumer watchdog Stirring up a fight, Obama names consumer watchdog Defying Republican lawmakers,

President Barack Obama on Wednesday barreled by the Senate and installed a national consumer watchdog on his own, provoking GOP threats of a constitutional showdown in the courts.

Setting a fierce tone in the election-year fight for middle-class voters, Obama said: "I refuse to take 'no' for an answer."

Senate Republicans block Obama nominee to head consumer finance agency Senate Republicans block Obama nominee to head consumer finance agency As expected, Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a confirmation vote on President Barack Obama's choice to lead the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Hours later, the White House announced that Obama also had appointed three members to the National Labor Relations Board, in defiance of Senate Republicans.

In Ohio, the president noted that he'd nominated Cordray last summer to serve as a beat cop against deceptive, abusive and predatory loan products in the financial marketplace, but that Senate Republicans had blocked the appointment, not because Cordray was unqualified, but because “they don’t agree with the law that set up a consumer watchdog in the first place,” he said.

Senate Republicans have made clear that is, indeed, their motive.“They want to weaken the law. They want to water it down,” Obama said, adding that, “by the way, a lot of folks in the financial industry have poured millions of dollars to try to water it down.”

Senate Republicans blocked a confirmation vote on Cordray last month and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky accused Obama on Wednesday of making an unprecedented appointment, because the Senate isn't in official recess.

Traditionally, McConnell said, presidents make such appointments only when the Senate is in recess for 10 days or longer.

Obama has “arrogantly circumvented the American people,” McConnell said, adding that the move “lands this appointee in uncertain legal territory, threatens the confirmation process and fundamentally endangers the Congress’ role in providing a check on the excesses of the executive branch.

”He said that Republicans wanted structural changes to the agency, which was “subject to none of the checks that independent agencies normally operate under.”White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer accused Senate Republicans of coming up with a “gimmick” to prevent the president from exercising his recess appointment authority: being out of town for weeks but convening every few days in a “pro forma” session.Sarah Binder, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a center-left policy-research center, said the Constitution “doesn’t define what constitutes a valid recess for the purpose of the president’s proper exercise of the recess appointment power, leaving it open to interpretation.

”She said that in the most recent court case on the matter _ when the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., challenged the recess appointment of William Pryor to an appeals court by President George W. Bush _ the administration’s right to make a recess appointment on the seventh day of a 10-day intra-session recess was upheld.

The back and forth over Cordray underscores the partisan fighting that's characterized every development of the new consumer protection bureau, the most tangible government response to the nation's 2008 economic meltdown.

After failing last month to get the 60 votes needed for a straight up-or-down Senate confirmation vote on Cordray, Obama hinted that he might use a recess appointment to bypass the GOP filibuster that's left the new agency without a director since its regulatory authority began in July.

At the time, the president also voiced frustration over GOP efforts to delay his many other nominations, including federal judges and assistant treasury secretaries. Senate Republicans also have blocked appointments to the National Labor Relations Board; Obama appointed three members Wednesday.

The NLRB appointments allow the board to decide cases again. That authority was lost earlier this week when the five-member panel was down to only two members and was unable to field a quorum. Kimberly Freeman Brown, the executive director of American Rights at Work, commended the president’s NLRB appointments.“Without a functioning board, employers and employees alike would have been stuck in legal limbo on a range of critical issues, including the rights of certain workers to form unions and the appropriate use of social media to discuss workplace concerns,” Brown said.Created by the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial overhaul law, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau monitors deceptive, abusive and predatory loan products in the financial marketplace.

A division of the Federal Reserve,

the bureau works as a stand-alone agency to make sure consumers understand the terms of loan products by reducing fine print, simplifying forms and helping to illuminate costly penalties and fees that often are hidden.Senate Republicans see the bureau as a vast overreach of government authority and have blocked any nominee for director until the agency's structure is revamped.

Without a director, the bureau could examine and oversee large banks, but it couldn't oversee non-depository institutions such as mortgage companies, payday lenders and credit bureaus.The U.S. Chamber of Commerce decried Obama’s move as “unprecedented, constitutionally questionable” and said it put the authority of the director and the bureau’s work “in legal jeopardy.”

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#198. To: A K A Stone (#197)

Your problem is you seem to think you speak for God.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-17   12:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: A K A Stone (#195)
(Edited)

Trace this thread. It is you that started this by claiming I mock God.

I just proved otherwise.

And you continue to mock. Why won't you listen to Jesus and abide by his teachings?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-17   12:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#196)

The simple truth is he has lost the thread of comprehending the very teachings he claims to value most; this of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. He doesn't want to admit this or try to see how this is so, but it is obvious to everyone else here what he is really all about, and he does not like that.

Some Christians reject the call to be like Christ and rely instead on forgiveness. This is known as cheap grace - it's what gives Christianity as a whole a bad name.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-17   12:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: mininggold (#199)

And you continue to mock. Why won't you listen to Jesus and abide by his teachings?

Again it is you that mock God.

You talked about God creating us in his own image. Which is true.

But the way you said it implied that he condoned homosexual activity.

That is you mocking God plane as day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-17   12:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: A K A Stone (#148)

...I agree Stone...it was MD that posted the quote originally...I was only replying to his quote...and yes, we are supposed to have a discerning spirit and judge a tree by it's fruit. Judging and sitting in judgement are to different things.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-17   15:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: mininggold (#176)

Jesus had other stipulations, which you ignore.

please state what these might be...I'm curious.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-17   15:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: freedomsnotfree (#144)

give it a rest dog...not interested in what you have to say...I didn't read your post, nor will I. YOU are the one that proclaimed you are a "sword carrying Christian", not me. I haven't judged you, I've seen your actions, words, statements and your accusations. There is absolutely nothing coming from you that gives the slightest hint of Christian behavior... you are the Yukon of LF... shame on you. I hope you're as you say Dog...but there's a lot of hate spewing from a spirit filled soul if it's true.

LOL!

I'm not surprised that a pussy such as you confuses PASSION with HATE.

You pitiful simpering faux "christian" little creep FRAUD.

You "aren't interested in what I say" in response to your oh so "Christian" comments about my own faith, eh COWARD?

LMAO!

I'm sure that you are not, you cowardly creep. I'm sure that you are the type who likes to hit people but is afraid of being hit in response?

Maybe from now on you should screw with infant children? They wouldn't be much of a threat to you coward.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are a base liar and a base hypocrite and an out and out cowardly FRAUD.

You set yourself above GOD.

You try to judge me and my faith, you gibbering hypocrite liar FRAUD. As if you had the right to do that, you sputtering hypocrite creep. Then you TRY to claim that you are a REAL "christian" as opposed to me.

What you are is an arrogant hypocrite, liar, FRAUD "christian".

You base HYPOCRITE, you base FRAUD.

CHRISTIANS are NOT required by our Lord to be the milquetoast pussies that you limp wristed faux "Christians" want us to be.

You are so stupid that you don't even understand what OUR Lord meant when he said to "turn the other cheek".

HYPOCRITE.

You are a whitewash TOMB.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   15:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: A K A Stone (#148)

You should quote the whole thing. It is saying to not be a hypocrite when you judge. Don't judge someone for something when you do the same thing.

It is also speaking of the judgement of other's FAITH.

Look out, or you'll get told how you aren't a REAL "Christian".

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   15:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#159)

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LOL!

The pitiful HEATHEN weasel tries to lecture the Christian on Christianity.

What is WRONG with this picture?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   15:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: Mad Dog (#206)

The pitiful HEATHEN weasel tries to lecture the Christian on Christianity.

bully nazi weasel !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-01-17   15:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: BorisY (#207)

;^)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   15:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Mad Dog (#204)

your actions and words speak so loudly about you, I can't hear a word you're saying...

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-17   15:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: freedomsnotfree (#209)

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LOL!

PROVING what we all here already know, that you are a FRAUD and a COWARD.

Gee who saw THAT coming eh?

What is the view from above GOD where you have tried to set yourself FRAUD?

BTW FRAUD, "TRUTH is an absolute defense".

You don't even know the difference between WORDS and ACTIONS you pitiful little FRAUD.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   16:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike (#129)

Nope, I prefer women my own age. I have no sympathy for pedophiles. That's TWO lies faggot.

Ok,here you are calling him a child molester in public as well as a homosexual,and also claiming he is lying.

Which means you somehow know more about his sex life than he does?

And you wonder why so many people call you nuts?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   16:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: meguro (#132)

The saddest part is that despite the insane obscene rants you see him spew in his typical posts,he really is a very bright guy.

My his rabies booster shots aren't up to date?

He is clearly off his meds.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   16:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: war (#142)

Child molestation is a deviant pathological compulsion.

Which means they can never be cured of it no matter what they try. Which means any that are caught and convicted should be put into a prison or a mental institution for life.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   16:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: CZ82 (#143)

Put it this way I have seen studies/articles that say Homosexuals commit anywhere from 0% to 80% of all pedophile crimes in this country...

It is a well-established truth that while figures never lie,liars are always figuring.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   16:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: sneakypete (#213)

Which means they can never be cured of it no matter what they try. Which means any that are caught and convicted should be put into a prison or a mental institution for life.

According to your logic. Fags should be put in jail forever too.

Because you think they were "boooooornnnn" that way.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-17   16:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Mad Dog (#210)

I'm praying for you MD...I hope you find the peace in your soul you claim you have.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-17   16:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: sneakypete (#211)

Nope, I prefer women my own age. I have no sympathy for pedophiles. That's TWO lies faggot.

Ok,here you are calling him a child molester in public as well as a homosexual,and also claiming he is lying.

Which means you somehow know more about his sex life than he does?

And you wonder why so many people call you nuts?

You know petey, I already know that you are a deeply stupid person.

Lets go through it like in grade school so that MAYBE you can understand it.

Weasel boy said; "Nope, I prefer women my own age. I have no sympathy for pedophiles."

I said; "That's TWO lies faggot."

One LIE is that he prefers WOMEN, another LIE is that he prefers them his own age, another LIE is that he does NOT have sympathy for pedophiles.

That's a total of THREE LIES in weasel boy's statement moron, and not one of them could be inferred by any HONEST competent sane person to infer to say that HE IS A PEDOPHILE or child molester.

What's the matter FOOL? Can't you even read at a 6th grade level FOOL?

But then of course you are neither HONEST or SMART are you loser? Maybe in addition to the aforementioned you are already shitfaced DRUNK today FOOL?

I don't give a F what FOOLS call me FOOL.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   17:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: sneakypete (#212)

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Unlike YOU FOOL, NONE of my "meds" are for MENTAL or EMOTIONAL problems.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   17:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: freedomsnotfree (#216)

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LOL!

Although PRAYERS for me from anybody are always welcomed, I seriously doubt that the Lord will hear your heathen babbling.

You should start by praying for YOURSELF FRAUD.

Btw FRAUD I already pray for YOU every night.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-17   17:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: A K A Stone (#201)

"But the way you said it implied that he condoned homosexual activity."

Where was it ever written that he condemned it? The mis-interpreted Old Testament passages don't count.

"That is you mocking God plane as day."

Who died and made you the spokesman for Christianity? Besides, you can't even plainly see that plain is not spelled plane. Which doesn't say much about your education level.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-17   17:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Mad Dog (#206)

You don't have to be Christian to know the Bible. I had instruction in my youth before I was old enough to quit going to Church, and I have taken Bible study classes at Northwest Christian College next to the University of Oregon when I was going to school getting my degree there. I am a perpetual student of political thought and history.

Learning about something that has had much influence on Western Civilization just made good sense. You don't need to be a Christian to do that, just as I did not become a Muslim when I studied the Koran.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-17   17:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: Ferret Mike (#221)

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-01-17   17:46:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: BorisY (#222)

Heh, I don't watch football Boris. It's not a sport for everybody.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-17   17:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Ferret Mike (#223)

Homosexual War ... on Christianity --- Continues to Rage

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2833847/posts

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-01-17   18:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: A K A Stone (#215) (Edited)

According to your logic. Fags should be put in jail forever too.

Because you think they were "boooooornnnn" that way.

You are confusing ignorance and superstition with fact and law.

It is VERY illegal to have sex with children. So illegal it is called rape.

It is NOT illegal to be a homosexual,though. You just want it to be and are confusing your wishes with actual facts.

Not only that,but you are NOT a conservative if you think what two or more adults do sexually and in private is a crime and it is the governments business to control the sex lives of consenting adults.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   18:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Mad Dog (#217)

One LIE is that he prefers WOMEN, another LIE is that he prefers them his own age, another LIE is that he does NOT have sympathy for pedophiles.

And you "KNOW" this because the voices in your head told you,right?

And there you go off again,exhibiting all the maturity and intellect of a Special Education 11 year old on drugs.

You have no idea how foolish you look,do you?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   18:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Mad Dog (#218)

, NONE of my "meds" are for MENTAL or EMOTIONAL problems.

Then someone has made a serious mistake and you should sue them for malpractice.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-17   18:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: Ferret Mike (#220)

Where was it ever written that he condemned it? The mis-interpreted Old Testament passages don't count.

You ARE kidding...right. Ever hear of Sodom & Gomarrah...every wonder where the word SODOMY came from. I guess that is a mis-interpretation also,...WOW! just think, ALL the followers of GOD had it wrong all this time...and FINALLY, those practising SODOMY actually have the correct interpretation...GO FIGURE!!

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-17   18:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: war (#145)

Not a very strong one if at all....rightly so. But, I'll take note of what it is that you care to pay attention to.

Why Are We Surprised With the Push for 'Pedophile Rights'

Michael Brown, Aug 26, 2011

Many Americans have been shocked by reports about a recent pro-pedophilia conference in Baltimore in which psychiatrists and other mental health professionals, representing institutions like Harvard and Johns Hopkins, sought to present pedophilia in a sympathetic and even positive light. But why should this surprise us?

Academic articles in scholarly journals have been presenting pedophilia in a sympathetic light for years, and, as Matthew Cullinan Hoffman noted, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) released a report in 1998 “claiming that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from their child sexual abuse experiences.’ It even claimed that large numbers of the victims reported that their experiences were ‘positive,’ and suggested that the phrase ‘child sex abuse’ be replaced with ‘adult-child sex.’” Others have coined the more disgusting term “intergenerational intimacy.”

The APA’s report was so disturbing that it drew an official rebuke from Congress, yet the pro-pedophile (or, pro-pederast) push continues. In fact, some psychiatric leaders, like Dr. Richard Green, who were instrumental in removing homosexuality from the APA’s list of mental disorders in 1973, have been fighting to remove pedophilia as well.

Consider, for example, this statement from the late John Hopkins professor John Money: “Pedophilia and ephebophilia [referring to sexual attraction felt by an adult toward an adolescent] are no more a matter of voluntary choice than are left-handedness or color blindness. There is no known method of treatment by which they may be effectively and permanently altered, suppressed, or replaced. Punishment is useless. There is no satisfactory hypothesis, evolutionary or otherwise, as to why they exist in nature’s overall scheme of things. One must simply accept the fact that they do exist, and then, with optimum enlightenment, formulate a policy of what to do about it.”

Now, go back and reread that paragraph, substituting the word “homosexuality” for “pedophilia” and “ephebophilia.” How interesting!

To help flesh this out, let’s picture a homosexual man making his case to a heterosexual man:

1) My homosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation, just as much as your heterosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation.

2) My homosexuality is just as normal as your heterosexuality.

3) Since my behavior is genetically determined and is not a choice, it is intolerant and hateful to suggest that it is wrong. And to call my sexual behavior illegal or immoral, or to refuse to legitimize same-sex relationships, is to be a moral bigot of the highest order.

4) I deeply resent your attempts to identify areas of my upbringing and environment as alleged causes for my homosexuality.

5) I categorically reject the myth that someone can change his or her sexual orientation. Rather, such statements only add to the anguish and suffering of gays and lesbians, and attempts to change us often lead to catastrophic consequences, including depression and suicide.

Now, let’s turn this around and have a pederast making his case to a homosexual, substituting the words accordingly (thus, “My pederasty is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation, just as much as your homosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation.”)

In point of fact, all the principle arguments commonly used to normalize homosexuality have been used to normalize pedophilia and pederasty, as I documented in painstaking (and painful) detail in A Queer Thing Happened to America, where I also made clear that I was not equating homosexuality with pedophilia but was instead comparing the arguments used to normalize both.

Here are the eight principle arguments, all of which (in modified form) are commonly used in support of homosexuality:

1) Pedophilia is innate and immutable.

2) Pederasty is richly attested in many different cultures throughout history.

3) The claim that adult-child sexual relationships cause harm is greatly overstated and often completely inaccurate.

4) Consensual adult-child sex can actually be beneficial to the child.

5) Pederasty should not be classified as a mental disorder, since it does not cause distress to the pederast to have these desires and since the pederast can function as a normal, contributing member of society.

6) Many of the illustrious homosexuals of the past were actually pedophiles.

7) People are against intergenerational intimacy because of antiquated social standards and puritanical sexual phobias.

8) This is all about love and equality and liberation.

But none of these arguments should surprise us. After all, the age of increasing sexual anarchy in which we live is a fruit of the sexual revolution of the 1960’s, and the seeds of sexual anarchy were sown already by Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940’s, as Prof. Judith Reisman has tirelessly documented. And it was Kinsey, after all, who relied on the research of pedophiles to document the sexual responses of infants and children.

All this, to be sure, is utterly unspeakable. But it should certainly come as no surprise. In fact, we should expect this and more.

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-17   18:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: sneakypete (#225)

Not only that,but you are NOT a conservative if you think what two or more adults do sexually and in private is a crime and it is the governments business to control the sex lives of consenting adults.

correct!!

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-17   18:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: Ferret Mike (#220)

you can't even plainly see that plain is not spelled plane.

Says the guy that goes around saying indorsement.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-17   20:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: freedomsnotfree, Ferret Mike (#228)

You ARE kidding...right. Ever hear of Sodom & Gomarrah...every wonder where the word SODOMY came from. I guess that is a mis-interpretation also,...WOW! just think, ALL the followers of GOD had it wrong all this time...and FINALLY, those practising SODOMY actually have the correct interpretation...GO FIGURE!!

What he said.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-17   20:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: sneakypete (#225)

Not only that,but you are NOT a conservative if you think what two or more adults do sexually and in private is a crime

Actually that has nothing to do with being a conservative. Pro or con.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-17   20:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: A K A Stone (#233) (Edited)

Actually that has nothing to do with being a conservative. Pro or con.

Yes it does,since the definition of a conservative is someone who is for maximum individual rights and limiting government power over individuals.

It's RELIGION that has nothing to do with being a conservative. Especially since all religions are about the power of the organization and the control over the followers.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-18   11:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: CZ82 (#229)

Someone out there advocates drinking piss for good health.

Is that a mainstream point of view?

Just because someone out there promoting an idea it does not mean that the idea is either viable or palpable.

So while you forth on about this, I'll keep from laughing as you mistake an extreme and minority position as being reflective of the mainstream.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-18   11:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: war (#235)

I'll keep from laughing as you mistake an extreme and minority position as being reflective of the mainstream.

So isn't that the same reason why Homosexuality became acceptable social behavior in the first place????? (Along with a shit load of lawsuits)!!!! And now that same minority position is pushing for pedophilia to become acceptable social behavior....

Let me know when one moves in next door to you and messes with your kids, I want to see your reaction...... that's if you don't end up in jail first.....

I just love people that wait till something has already happened before they whine about it, instead of correctly interpreting the writing on the wall and putting a stop to it before it ever happens.....

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-18   18:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: Ferret Mike (#223)

To: MrB

minorities - gays ... are the cool ones now --- the rest of us are total dorks who need to be mistreated

27 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 05:59:35 by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2834919/posts

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-01-19   11:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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