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Title: Obama defies Senate, appointing consumer, labor officials
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URL Source: http://www.thesunnews.com/2012/01/0 ... a-make-recess-appointment.html
Published: Jan 4, 2012
Author: Lesley Clark and Tony Pugh
Post Date: 2012-01-04 23:22:22 by Mad Dog
Keywords: IMPEACH, this, INSANE COMMIE monster
Views: 141721
Comments: 237

WASHINGTON — A defiant President Barack Obama sidestepped Congress on Wednesday and appointed a new consumer watchdog, locking horns with Republicans, who immediately accused the president of exceeding his authority to appoint a director to an agency they oppose.

Speaking at a high school in the election battleground state of Ohio with his nominee for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau by his side, Obama struck a populist tone and blamed congressional Republicans for stalling the appointment of former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray as “America’s consumer watchdog.”

“I’ve got an obligation to act on behalf of the American people,” the president said. “And I’m not going to stand by while a minority in the Senate puts party ideology ahead of the people that we were elected to serve.”

Obama defies Senate, appoints consumer and labor officials Obama defies Senate, appoints consumer and labor officials A defiant President Barack Obama sidestepped Congress on Wednesday and appointed a new consumer watchdog, locking horns with Republicans, who immediately accused the president of exceeding his authority to appoint a director to an agency they oppose.

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau opens Consumer Financial Protection Bureau opens The most tangible government reform to grow out of the Great Recession officially goes live this week when the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau assumes its regulatory authority on Thursday. Ex-Ohio attorney general picked to lead consumer finance watchdog agency Ex- Ohio attorney general picked to lead consumer finance watchdog agency President Barack Obama will nominate Richard Cordray, who as Ohio's attorney general was a leader in state policing of financial industry abuses, to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that formally opens its doors this week, the White House said Sunday.

Stirring up a fight, Obama names consumer watchdog Stirring up a fight, Obama names consumer watchdog Defying Republican lawmakers,

President Barack Obama on Wednesday barreled by the Senate and installed a national consumer watchdog on his own, provoking GOP threats of a constitutional showdown in the courts.

Setting a fierce tone in the election-year fight for middle-class voters, Obama said: "I refuse to take 'no' for an answer."

Senate Republicans block Obama nominee to head consumer finance agency Senate Republicans block Obama nominee to head consumer finance agency As expected, Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a confirmation vote on President Barack Obama's choice to lead the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Hours later, the White House announced that Obama also had appointed three members to the National Labor Relations Board, in defiance of Senate Republicans.

In Ohio, the president noted that he'd nominated Cordray last summer to serve as a beat cop against deceptive, abusive and predatory loan products in the financial marketplace, but that Senate Republicans had blocked the appointment, not because Cordray was unqualified, but because “they don’t agree with the law that set up a consumer watchdog in the first place,” he said.

Senate Republicans have made clear that is, indeed, their motive.“They want to weaken the law. They want to water it down,” Obama said, adding that, “by the way, a lot of folks in the financial industry have poured millions of dollars to try to water it down.”

Senate Republicans blocked a confirmation vote on Cordray last month and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky accused Obama on Wednesday of making an unprecedented appointment, because the Senate isn't in official recess.

Traditionally, McConnell said, presidents make such appointments only when the Senate is in recess for 10 days or longer.

Obama has “arrogantly circumvented the American people,” McConnell said, adding that the move “lands this appointee in uncertain legal territory, threatens the confirmation process and fundamentally endangers the Congress’ role in providing a check on the excesses of the executive branch.

”He said that Republicans wanted structural changes to the agency, which was “subject to none of the checks that independent agencies normally operate under.”White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer accused Senate Republicans of coming up with a “gimmick” to prevent the president from exercising his recess appointment authority: being out of town for weeks but convening every few days in a “pro forma” session.Sarah Binder, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a center-left policy-research center, said the Constitution “doesn’t define what constitutes a valid recess for the purpose of the president’s proper exercise of the recess appointment power, leaving it open to interpretation.

”She said that in the most recent court case on the matter _ when the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., challenged the recess appointment of William Pryor to an appeals court by President George W. Bush _ the administration’s right to make a recess appointment on the seventh day of a 10-day intra-session recess was upheld.

The back and forth over Cordray underscores the partisan fighting that's characterized every development of the new consumer protection bureau, the most tangible government response to the nation's 2008 economic meltdown.

After failing last month to get the 60 votes needed for a straight up-or-down Senate confirmation vote on Cordray, Obama hinted that he might use a recess appointment to bypass the GOP filibuster that's left the new agency without a director since its regulatory authority began in July.

At the time, the president also voiced frustration over GOP efforts to delay his many other nominations, including federal judges and assistant treasury secretaries. Senate Republicans also have blocked appointments to the National Labor Relations Board; Obama appointed three members Wednesday.

The NLRB appointments allow the board to decide cases again. That authority was lost earlier this week when the five-member panel was down to only two members and was unable to field a quorum. Kimberly Freeman Brown, the executive director of American Rights at Work, commended the president’s NLRB appointments.“Without a functioning board, employers and employees alike would have been stuck in legal limbo on a range of critical issues, including the rights of certain workers to form unions and the appropriate use of social media to discuss workplace concerns,” Brown said.Created by the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial overhaul law, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau monitors deceptive, abusive and predatory loan products in the financial marketplace.

A division of the Federal Reserve,

the bureau works as a stand-alone agency to make sure consumers understand the terms of loan products by reducing fine print, simplifying forms and helping to illuminate costly penalties and fees that often are hidden.Senate Republicans see the bureau as a vast overreach of government authority and have blocked any nominee for director until the agency's structure is revamped.

Without a director, the bureau could examine and oversee large banks, but it couldn't oversee non-depository institutions such as mortgage companies, payday lenders and credit bureaus.The U.S. Chamber of Commerce decried Obama’s move as “unprecedented, constitutionally questionable” and said it put the authority of the director and the bureau’s work “in legal jeopardy.”

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#68. To: freedomsnotfree (#66)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   16:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Mad Dog (#68)

no MD not at all...please type faster, I heard nurse Cratchet is looking for you...LOL

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-10   16:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: freedomsnotfree (#69)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   17:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: freedomsnotfree (#66)

LOL!

What an insipid little twat you are.

I KNOW that you have no idea who e.e. cummings is, or rather was; let alone the context, or "school".

Now tell me what wikipedia says chongo!

You insipid CULT boy FOOL.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   17:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: freedomsnotfree (#66)

balahabalgablagahsgzdtdhmccshcahdstgasvabakjaj

.

I know you act STUPID, we ALL know it.

HELL, we ALL do it too!

Politics aside, you might have a soul and just be ignorant, so I'll try to give you a real chance to live in a place you never even knew is HERE.

Of course you might not be smart enough or able to move from monochromic moronory?

BUT, what the HEY?

I never could stand the thought of a HUNGRY person.

Anybody as insipid as you present youself, is certainly, by definition, HUNGRY.

Here's a meal that will last the rest of your life,

" M. L. Rosenthal wrote in The Modern Poets: A Critical Introduction: "The chief effect of Cummings' jugglery with syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and bathetic motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up in conventional usage.... He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the cute commonplace."

www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/e-e-cummings

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-10   18:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: freedomsnotfree (#62) (Edited)

...based on what pray tell...I find him to be a novelty, nothing more.

I know it's hard to believe if you haven't been here long,but he does have his occasional lucid moments (probably when he is on his meds)and writes insightful posts and even posts occasional interesting threads. If he changed his screen name before posting them you would have no idea who it was,and would be impressed.

No kidding.

Then he falls off the wagon again and all we hear are insane obscene rants repeated over and over.

And I have to admit that I sometimes let him piss me off and I end up poking him with a stick and that ends up making him even worse. I know I shouldn't do that because insane people aren't insane by choice,but I do it anyhow.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-10   21:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Mad Dog (#68)

The voices in your head arguing again?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-10   21:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: freedomsnotfree (#63)

you know...a special kinda stupid

that describes him well

calcon  posted on  2012-01-10   21:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#74)

.

You feel real safe in the herd don't you little "man"?

Unlike YOU little "man" I don't get a feral gooberment check because of YOUR mental problems.

You are pitiful, little "man".

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-11   15:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: freedomsnotfree, All (#72)

To: freedomsnotfree balahabalgablagahsgzdtdhmccshcahdstgasvabakjaj .

I know you act STUPID, we ALL know it.

HELL, we ALL do it too!

Politics aside, you might have a soul and just be ignorant, so I'll try to give you a real chance to live in a place you never even knew is HERE.

Of course you might not be smart enough or able to move from monochromic moronory?

BUT, what the HEY?

I never could stand the thought of a HUNGRY person.

Anybody as insipid as you present youself, is certainly, by definition, HUNGRY.

Here's a meal that will last the rest of your life,

" M. L. Rosenthal wrote in The Modern Poets: A Critical Introduction: "The chief effect of Cummings' jugglery with syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and bathetic motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up in conventional usage.... He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the cute commonplace."

www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/e-e-cummings

Oh well ....

I didn't think that you had the tools to understand any of it FOOL.

But I had to at least offer it to you FOOL.

Hey cheer up CULT boy!

As you prove with your every post, IGNORANCE IS BLISS!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-11   15:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Mad Dog (#76)

damn, whiny bitch it appears that all the dicks pounding your head has knocked the sense completely out of you

calcon  posted on  2012-01-11   16:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Mad Dog (#77)

MAD DOG, alaska's gay community's version of the "shake weight"

calcon  posted on  2012-01-11   16:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Mad Dog (#76)

You feel real safe in the herd don't you little "man"?

Yeah,that's me alright. That's why I always support whatever RINO the party picks for a candidate no matter how much he sucks,and that's why I enlisted in the army and volunteered for SF so I would always be surrounded by hundreds of shipmates just like the guys in the Navy.

Unlike YOU little "man" I don't get a feral gooberment check because of YOUR mental problems.

I don't get one for mental problems because I have no mental problems and YOU don't get one for mental problems because you didn't do anything dangerous to earn one even though you are a definite nutcase. BTW,what's with all the "litte man" stuff. You still trying to overcompensate for being a closeted homo? Do you think this makes you look "Butch". Guess what? It ain't working. All it does is make you look like a foolish 12 year old.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-11   19:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Mad Dog (#77)

nurse Cratchett is looking for you...she wants her computer back...LOL

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-01-12   13:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: freedomsnotfree (#81)

To: freedomsnotfree balahabalgablagahsgzdtdhmccshcahdstgasvabakjaj . I know you act STUPID, we ALL know it.

HELL, we ALL do it too!

Politics aside, you might have a soul and just be ignorant, so I'll try to give you a real chance to live in a place you never even knew is HERE.

Of course you might not be smart enough or able to move from monochromic moronory?

BUT, what the HEY?

I never could stand the thought of a HUNGRY person.

Anybody as insipid as you present youself, is certainly, by definition, HUNGRY.

Here's a meal that will last the rest of your life,

" M. L. Rosenthal wrote in The Modern Poets: A Critical Introduction: "The chief effect of Cummings' jugglery with syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and bathetic motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up in conventional usage.... He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the cute commonplace."

www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/e-e-cummings

Oh well ....

I didn't think that you had the tools to understand any of it FOOL.

But I had to at least offer it to you FOOL.

Hey cheer up CULT boy!

As you prove with your every post, IGNORANCE IS BLISS!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's the matter moron?

Can't hack the intellectual "overhead" of what I posted?

Tell us all, again, how smart YOU are CULT boy.

The movie "To Kill a Mockingbird" was an excellent adaptation of Harper Lee's 1960 novel.

I saw it AFTER I had READ the book CULT boy.

I'm sure that a FOOL such as you never read it.

I'm actually surprised that you were able to WATCH the movie and retain ANYTHING of it CULT boy.

That sort of behavior is certainly above YOUR F' ing pay grade CULT boy.

Pitiful.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-14   18:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: calcon (#78)

calFAG's current QUEER fantasies.

LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!

calFAG's QUEER ANGST.

If it's calFAG, it's ALL QUEER, ALL of the time.

Who besides calFAG cares?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-14   18:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: calcon (#79)

calFAG's current QUEER desires from FAGGOT central Kalipornia ...

LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!

calFAG's QUEER ANGST.

If it's calFAG, it's ALL QUEER, ALL of the time.

Who besides calFAG cares?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-14   18:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: sneakypete (#80)

LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever you say little "man".

YOU belong in the PaulTARD herd little "man", YOU are a born follower and a TOOL.

It's just gotta be kinda of SAD and DESPERATE when your so called service is ALL that you have or are in your life "little man".

You love to PLAY the "hero" "little man", too bad you are a FRAUD "little man".

How's that gooberment tit working out for you "little man"?

How's the free cheese?

"Little man"?

"little man"?

PITIFUL.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-14   18:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Mad Dog (#85)

Do you realize that, with the exception of the head two and a half feet above the cock you are sucking (Yukon's), no one gives a flying fuck about you or your spittle laced rants?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-14   20:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Mad Dog (#85) (Edited)

It's just gotta be kinda of SAD and DESPERATE when your so called service is ALL that you have or are in your life "little man".

My "so called service"? There are people posting here and on LP that know I have made no untrue claims.

And *I* am not the running around trying to act macho.

You love to PLAY the "hero" "little man", too bad you are a FRAUD "little man".

Really? When have *I* ever claimed to have shot down 3 MIG's?

How's the free cheese?

It's no secret to anybody here that you never did anything to EARN a VA disability check,and have a chip on your shoulder for hiding out and avoiding combat.

PITIFUL.

Yes,you are.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-14   21:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: war (#86)

no one gives a flying fuck about you or your spittle laced rants?

Not entirely true,war. Some people probably feel pity for him,other's feel disgust,and Yu-Tard and Fire Island most likely feel lust. They have their very own groupie.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-14   21:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: sneakypete (#87)

What is a classic symptom of INSANITY?

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different conclusion.

I don't "act" anything.

You know as well as I do anybody can CLAIM anything on the web. It means nothing.

As usual, you purposely distort what I have said, which is the TRUTH, I have PART of THREE Mig KILLS. Only a person ignorant of NAVAL WARSHIPS and their weapons systems would even consider that a single person of a DESTROYER crews does anything alone.

But ... it's handy to TRY to insult me because you are just an ignorant lubber. Which is not a dig or insult. I don't know anything about being in the Army, but then I've never claimed to either.

I could have been on a Feral or a STATE or a CITY or a UNION pension if I wanted to, years ago.

BUT I REFUSED to be a PIG who lives off of the American people.

Why would anyone think that they deserve to be paid for doing NOTHING?

I'm not going to file for my SS until I'm 70 either, if then, and then, only if I run out of money or options by then. Although I think the odds are low that it will even be available to me, even if I live the next seven years.

I do apologize for my out of line comments regarding your VA benefits, it was just anger. IF you served, and IF they say that you deserve it, you F' ing deserve it.

I'm sorry for talking shit about your disability, please pardon my anger and stupidity regarding that.

What's pitiful is that YOU think that you get to say who is and who is not a "real" vet.

What IS pitiful is living in the past. Although I understand that living with the physical results of your service is unavoidable for you.

You simply aren't the judge of anything or anybody, except of course for your own self , and neither am I.

What's pitiful is how you can't see the scam RonniePAULIE is running.

I'd be happy to talk cars and lift a cold one with you anytime. I don't expect people to be clones of each other.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-14   22:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete (#87) (Edited)

Some people probably feel pity for him,other's feel disgust,and Yu-Tard and Fire Island most likely feel lust.

Mad Dog = Fire Island?

BTW, what's happened to el Pee? Did Golda forget to pay the bill again?

meguro  posted on  2012-01-15   9:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Mad Dog (#89)

What is a classic symptom of INSANITY?

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different conclusion.

Which pretty much defines almost all of your posts.

u know as well as I do anybody can CLAIM anything on the web.

You mean like shooting down 3 MIG's?

As usual, you purposely distort what I have said, which is the TRUTH, I have PART of THREE Mig KILLS. Only a person ignorant of NAVAL WARSHIPS and their weapons systems would even consider that a single person of a DESTROYER crews does anything alone.

Only a person ignorant of combat would claim "part of a kill". Using YOUR standards a US Army or USMC artillery spotter killed thousands of NVA.

Which isn't really accurate since neither you or the ship was ever in the slightest danger and the artillery spotters were always in considerable danger since they were always within eyeball sight of the enemy when they called in fire missions.

Either YOU personally killed them,or you didn't. You might as well say YOU have a part in those kills because you drove a forklift in a factory in Illinois that shipped the food the crew ate.

I would also like to add I have NEVER heard anybody that has ever been in combat brag about "my number of kills",and I have literally known several hundred that were in combat as infantrymen in WW-2,the Korean War,and multiple tours in VN.

You must be about 12 years old emotionally to even consider laying claim to being a "part of 3 kills".

But ... it's handy to TRY to insult me because you are just an ignorant lubber.

Yeah,because serving in the Navy during the VN war was SUCH a difficult thing to do,what with there being a waiting list to enlist because of all the people wanting to join the Navy to avoid being drafted and serving on the ground in VN as a infantryman in either the Army or the Marine Corps.

And what is the big freaking deal about serving on a boat that floats around and has no oppossing force?

Hell,my uncle has a better claim to combat than you do,and he was in the Merchant Marines and had to tie up in port. He claims he thinks the ship he was on received small arms fire while sailing up the river.

Why would anyone think that they deserve to be paid for doing NOTHING?

It's clear you don't understand the concept of "EARNING" something because it's much easier to just make claims.

I'm not going to file for my SS until I'm 70 either,

Ain't YOU "special"!

Then again,that is easy to say when all you have ever done is sit around on your fat ass and not do anything dangerous. Running your mouth at people on the internet that you don't know and will never see is about as close to getting hurt as you have ever came,Twinkie.

I do apologize for my out of line comments regarding your VA benefits, it was just anger.

Too little,too late. You have been pulling this shit for months. The time to apologize was when you started it. Don't pull it for months and then try to claim a fit of anger.

Although it is very likely you have anger management problems and this is why you bray like a jackass in almost every post you make.

IF you served, and IF they say that you deserve it, you F' ing deserve it.

And here you are at it again,DESPITE having been told that dozens of people who know me personally who have either served with me or know people personally that did serve with me who have verified my service in the US Army Special Forces and more spefically with MACV-SOG during the VN war. Do a web search for MACV-SOG Operations 35 and learn a little. It was classified as a Top Secret operation for decades,but practically everything about it is public knowledge now.

INCLUDING a list of people who served and in what capacity they served. Steve Sherman even published a book with the title "The Little Yellow Book of SOG" with the names and duty assignments of almost everybody who was ever in SOG. Yeah,there are a few names that were left off by accident,but MY name is in the book.

And I spoke about what I did in VN so little that not even my mother or my father knew what I had done when they went to their graves. They thought I was working in a army post office the whole time I was there because that's what I told them I was doing. I saw no need to worry them while I was there and once I got back there was no reason to tell them because they wouldn't understand it and because it was still Top Secret.

And you KNOW I am who I say I am because even if you weren't around during the FR days,there are people on LP that have verified I am who I say I am because they either know me personally or people they know and trust know me and have verified my service.

What's pitiful is that YOU think that you get to say who is and who is not a "real" vet.

Once again you are lying. Probably because of that chip on your shoulder that REQUIRES you to think you are a combat veteran. You ain't.

It's pretty simple,really. You were either in combat or you weren't. If you haven't been within eyeball range of the man shooting at you and you are shooting back at,you haven't been in combat.

And the whole "partial kill" thing is absolute bullshit. Either YOU killed him,or you didn't.

And on top of all that,killing somebody is nothing to brag about. You do it if you need to do it,but you don't brag about it.

Now,to finish this thing off (hopefully) I will add one more time. EVERYBODY that wore a uniform served and is a veteran. It doesn't matter if they served during wartime or peacetime and it doesn't matter if they charged up the beaches of Guadal Canal or served meals at the Naval Training base at Great Lakes their whole military career,they are BOTH veterans.

The difference is that while both of the above examples are war veterans,only one of them is a combat veteran.

What IS pitiful is living in the past.

Then give it up. You write about your past service in most of the posts you make,and I only mention mine when attacked by you or somebody asks me something.

There are people around here that I have known since grammar school that still don't know anything about what I did in the army.Most know I was in the army because I quit high school to enlist and in a high school of around 220 total pupils,people notice when you aren't there anymore and ask where you are.

Most of the people I have known for the last 40+ years don't even know I was in the army unless they have asked me or seen the "US Paratrooper" tatoo on my upper bicep I got when I was 17. It's even up so high it can't been seen when I am wearing a t-shirt.

Although I understand that living with the physical results of your service is unavoidable for you.

I appreciate the thought,but it is what it is and since there is nothing I can do about it I do my best to ignore it as much as I can. It does you no good and a lot of harm to let crap like that dominate your mind.

I'd be happy to talk cars and lift a cold one with you anytime.

I don't have any real problems with you other than two. One is your constant insistence that you are a COMBAT veteran and then going insane when corrected,and the other is your constant over the top and out of control obscene mindless rants. You can do better and I have seen you do better. You really are a bright guy. You need to do whatever it is you need to do to control your anger so you can post in a civilized manner without constantly attacking everybody except Yu-Tard,Fire Island,and Gatlin. Of the hundreds (thousands?) of posts you have made since I noticed your posting,those three are the ONLY ones I haven't seen you attack. 3 people out of the hundreds you interact with,and those three are the only ones you don't attack or attack you in return.

Think about that one for a minute. Go back and search out the posts you have posted to others over just the last year and see if you can spot a trend.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-15   9:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: meguro (#90)

Mad Dog = Fire Island?

No. Mad Dog is actually a pretty bright guy. He's just nuts and needs to get some help to control his anger.

"Pretty Bright" may be the only thing Fire Island has never been accused of being. That boy is dumber than a box of hammers.

BTW, what's happened to el Pee? Did Golda forget to pay the bill again?

Beats me. I have been wondering the same thing. Haven't been there yet today,but I guess I will find out if it is still down in a few minutes.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-15   9:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Mad Dog, A K A Stone (#68)

Stone...at least when I tell you to go fuck yourself I tell it to your face...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-15   12:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Mad Dog (#67)

Quit spamming up the threads. Grow up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-15   12:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: war (#93)

I didn't notice that spam. Thanks for the heads up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-15   12:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#94)

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WTF are you talking about?

What SPAM?

Actually, never mind, I don't actually care.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-15   15:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: sneakypete (#91)

Blah blah blah blah blah blah

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Frankly pete I was talking about this particular dance that you seem to so love.

It doesn't matter fuck all what YOU "think" or "feel", the US GOOBERMENT/US Department of Defense/US NAVY say fucking otherwise.

VSM with three stars, CAR, MUC with two stars, Shellback.

Kiss my ASS.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-01-15   15:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#92)

Mad Dog is actually a pretty bright guy.

You're joking, right?

BTW, what's happened to el Pee? Did Golda forget to pay the bill again?

Maybe the domain has been commandeered for official Mossad use.

meguro  posted on  2012-01-15   17:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: meguro, Mad Dog (#98)

Mad Dog is actually a pretty bright guy.

You're joking, right?

Mad Dog is a better man then you are. But you're not a "real" man.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-15   17:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: A K A Stone (#99)

Meguro is a real man who at least thinks with his brains instead of woth his testicles like MD and people like you do.

You are a control freak who would invite the though police into everyone's bedroom to make sure there were no genital combinations you hate involved in private personal activities.

You need to grow up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-15   17:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Ferret Mike (#100)

You need to shut the fuck up and get some morals. Witch.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-15   17:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: A K A Stone (#101)

You are a nosy little bed snooper who has not a clue about how to respect the rights of others.

My morals are quite good; it's your's that are in the toilet.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-15   18:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Ferret Mike (#102)

You are a nosy little bed snooper

You know how stupid you sound rat boy? No one would ever know unless he came talking about it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-15   18:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: A K A Stone (#103) (Edited)

You are a bed snooper whether you peeping Tom or gossip derisively about open knowledge about private human relationships.

My position is supported by well vetted scientific studies, your's is based on erroneous interpretations of vague statements in the Bible's old testament.

I base my opinion on fact, you base your's on bigotry, nosiness and disrespect for the rights of others.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-15   18:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: A K A Stone (#103) (Edited)

By the way, your attempt to insult gives away your power in an especially amusing way. You show you only like the forum owner gig so you can use your moderator dashboard to screw with others, not to be a leader and set a high standard of behavior in your place.

You act like a baby. I know Kinder-gardeners more mature than you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-01-15   18:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: A K A Stone (#99) (Edited)

Mad Dog is a better man then you are. But you're not a "real" man.

And you're a dipshit, Stoner. But you knew that already, didn't you?

meguro  posted on  2012-01-15   18:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: meguro (#98)

Mad Dog is actually a pretty bright guy. You're joking, right?

Nope. He has more than a few anger control and ego issues,but he really is a pretty bright guy.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-01-15   21:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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