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Title: Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
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The Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... have-fought-hitler_614883.html
Published: Jan 2, 2012
Author: JOHN MCCORMACK
Post Date: 2012-01-02 08:27:43 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Truther, moonbat, kook, loonytoon, Ron Paul
Views: 71176
Comments: 125
A former Ron Paul staffer named Eric Dondero, who worked closely with the Texas congressman and presidential candidate over the course of 15 years, has issued a statement in which he both defends his old boss from charges of racism and anti-Semitism and reveals damning new details about about the "sheer lunacy of [Paul's] foreign policy views". First, Dondero claims that his old boss is such an extreme isolationist that "he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that 'saving the Jews,' was absolutely none of our business." Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist: And lastly, Dondero reveals that Paul wanted to vote against the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 but lacked the courage of his convictions to do so: Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Afghanistan, and to any military reaction to the attacks of 9/11.He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration.
There is much more information I could give you on the sheer lunacy of his foreign policy views. Let me just concentrate on one in specific. And I will state this with absolute certainty:
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#21. To: A K A Stone, Happy Quanzaa (#15)
And many more. I know that if China or any other nation had been meddling in America's internal affairs, setting up countless military bases and putting thousands of armed soldiers on our streets, killing civilians, bombing St. Louis, Canton Ohio and Ft. Lauderdale, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and placing puppet governments in charge of America, I'd be pretty damned pissed myself. I'd wager that HQ would be right there fighting along side me too. Yet he cannot see that other nations might get pissed when we do it? It's ridiculous!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
If they weren't they wouldn't be Troofers.
Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, & Big Oil were meddling w/ the Mohammadans in the year 700 AD?
Are the truthers just stupid? I don't know why, because he's stated time and time again what his beliefs are. It's just much easier for simpletons to grab onto a simple idea like "Ron Paul is a truther" and run with it, than it is to actually look for the truth. Do you know why? It could be because of other issues, like ending the Fed and the IRS or the constant endless wars that are bankrupting us. Do you imagine that there might be truthers who don't support Ron Paul? I'll bet there is! (GASP!!!) LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
In this case, it's as good as any other evidence. You want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul? Oh you guys are funny!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Sounds like you've swallowed the 'equivalence of cultures' kool-aid that the left has been serving up for a generation at our colleges and universities.
Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, & Big Oil were meddling w/ the Mohammadans in the year 700 AD? I stated a very specific time period, HQ. You seriously want to punish Muslims for something they did 1400 years ago? What do you want...reparations? LOL! How about we punish the Christians too, for the Crusades? Or do you just want war on Muslims?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Does that mean that the Original True Believers are just gluttons for punishment for settling in a region with such an untoward history?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Only if some other country fights it for him. 3500 years ago the Hebrews were the most war mongering tribes around. Maybe they need some of that punishmnet for the sins of their fathers he seems to think is okay to inflict on others.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
It doesn't change the fact that Dondero was with RP for fifteen years, and certainly has insights into the 'early RP' as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today.
Sounds like you've swallowed the 'equivalence of cultures' kool-aid that the left has been serving up for a generation at our colleges and universities. Oh please! Have we been doing those things in the middle east or haven't we? Yes or no? The only thing I've swallowed is the truth, and believe me, it was hard pill to swallow, but it is what it is. If you think we're right all the time, just because we're America, then there's a term for that.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
It doesn't change the fact that Dondero was with RP for fifteen years, and certainly has insights into the 'early RP' as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today. It also doesn't change the fact that Dondero could be pulling whatever he says out of his ass. Were you there? Were you an eyewitness to these things? If the answer is no, then you also have only the word of a disgruntled former employee. Is that considered evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
LOL! Your zipper is down and your predisposed bias is showing!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Are the truthers just stupid or do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't? Has RP disavowed the truthers the same way he did the white supremecists? What does Occam's razor suggest to you?
Is this your latest conspiracy theory? Has RP disavowed the truthers the same way he did the white supremecists? RP has stated his beliefs on the issue many times. There is a link to it up thread. I guess you can call it whatever you'd like. What does Occam's razor suggest to you? That you'll accept the word of a disgruntled former employee of Ron Paul as positive proof, because it enforces your predetermined beliefs.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Dondero makes a credible witness to the inner workings of the RP phenomena. He was there for fifteen years as an insider. I think the notion that a 'reasonable doubt' standard needs to be applied is evidence of a 'persecution complex' on your part as it applies to Ron Paul.
LMFAO!!! Wow! I have a persecution complex? Dondero makes a credible witness I'm sorry, but what were you saying above? Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? Here-say is just that, my friend. Yet you've already convicted upon it. And you claim that I have a persecution complex? WoW! LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
The Paul campaign needs to address the questions raised by Dondero, not attack him personally. Likewise, your attempt at winning a quick aquittal for RP by challenging my objectivity are failing.
Attack him personally? Show me. I've not seen the Paul campaign even address Dondero. And why should they? Should they address every crackpot who makes an allegation? Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too? Likewise, your attempt at winning a quick aquittal for RP by challenging my objectivity are failing. I'm sure that in your mind, I have failed miserably. Because Paul is already guilty. Right? But I have a 'persecution complex'? LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so. hat you'll accept the word of a disgruntled former employee of Ron Paul as positive proof, because it enforces your predetermined beliefs. I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest, in fact your basis for rejecting my objectivity is evidence of your own predetermined beliefs.
or maybe they just want their stuff back.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
What stuff would that be?
So what?
If Mad Dog were part of the RP inner circle for fifteen years, then I say yes. Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations as they are quickly becoming a part of the daily news cycle and reasonable people are going to want answers. I'm not sure telling the general public to do their homework is an effective campaign strategy for RP going forward.
In Iran it was oil. In Palestine, it's land.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Sure it is. It's funny how you guys always protect your own. You only wish that RP would also have a bevy of girlfriends coming out of the woodwork as the topping on the cake.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Beyond reasonable doubt is a standard reserved for criminal proceedings. That you would raise it preemptively in response to Dondero's comments suggests a certain level of defensveness I attribute to the persecution complex...YMMV.
He works for Paul for 15 years and you don't hear a word from or about him. He gets fired and he makes allegations that he cannot prove one way or the other, just as Paul is running for president? Seriously? Is this your latest conspiracy theory? No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so. Hey, YOU asked the question, "do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?" THAT is a whacky conspiracy theory, suggested BY YOU. Don't get your feelings hurt cause I pointed out the FACT that you're floating whacky CT's.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
No, they don't. But I thought you said they did, and attacked him personally?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.
The Republican establishment, including but not exclusively Jewish neo-cons, are behind the RP attacks. They are behind the RP attacks because he doesn't support wasting America lives and treasure in the Middle East. Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have made this quit clear. It's just that simple. You are just too emotional to be able to think straight about this.
Obviously, because you haven't read what Rittberg / Dumbdero has written over the last 10 years. He is obsessed with Ron Paul. Obsessed.
In Palestine, it's land. It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years. Nobody cared about oil in 700 AD, what was the Muslims' problem when they started this war way back then? Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it. It was our money that brought air conditioned mansions and jetliners with gold fixtures to the 3rd World sand pile known as the Middle East. Before that they lived in tents and cooked their dinner on dried camel dung.
Then why did they have to kick Palestinians off of it. They were just being nasty absenteee landlords?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Oh, they have problems alright. They are so filled with blood lust and/or fear that they either cannot see or just do not care how the police state legislation their candidates support and want to increase will affect the citizens of the United States today and in the future. Besides that, so what if Paul is a truther? The federal government under the control of the two parties has lied to the American people so often and about such small and trivial things that they didn't need to lie about in order to protect their power base that the bigger question is why on Earth should they be believed about anything? If the government tells me the sun is out, I'm going to look out the window to verify even if it's high noon. As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost. The Hitler thing is just a way to inflame American Zionists who consist mostly of uneducated protestant evangelicals in service to their Lord Satan.
This media lackey is trying his best to paint Paul in an unfavorable light.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
What message? There is no message from him. I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser. He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways. His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example: 1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid. 2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets. 3.) He thinks that 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist". 4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel. The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically. It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this.
I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser. He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways. His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example: 1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid. 2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets. 3.) He thinks that 55 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist". 4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel. The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically. It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this. BUMP! But Thunderbird is no conservative. Does he claim to be?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Here is the magic question that these people cannot answer: WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea? Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States. WHY would we sacrifice our citizens, our country, and our economy in ways that puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the world vis-à-vis the countries we are subsidizing? There is no answer at all, let alone a rational and reasonable one, from the neo-commie idiots.
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#22. To: jwpegler (#17)
#23. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Are the truthers just stupid?
#24. To: We The People (#14)
Could any of that have anything AT ALL to do with it?
#25. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Why do the truthers support RP unless they think he's one of them?
#26. To: Thunderbird, jwpegler (#22)
Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
#27. To: We The People (#21)
know that if China or any other nation had been meddling in America's internal affairs, setting up countless military bases and putting thousands of armed soldiers on our streets, killing civilians, bombing St. Louis, Canton Ohio and Ft. Lauderdale, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and placing puppet governments in charge of America, I'd be pretty damned pissed myself.
#28. To: Happy Quanzaa (#24)
Could any of that have anything AT ALL to do with it?
#29. To: Happy Quanzaa (#18)
Maps, 1300 years of documented history, logic, reason, commonsense, nothing penetrates the Kool-Aid hardened heads of True Believers.
#30. To: We The People (#28)
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How about we punish the Christians too, for the Crusades? Or do you just want war on Muslims?
#31. To: We The People (#26)
You want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul?
#32. To: Thunderbird (#27)
know that if China or any other nation had been meddling in America's internal affairs, setting up countless military bases and putting thousands of armed soldiers on our streets, killing civilians, bombing St. Louis, Canton Ohio and Ft. Lauderdale, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and placing puppet governments in charge of America, I'd be pretty damned pissed myself.
#33. To: Thunderbird (#31)
You want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul?
#34. To: Thunderbird (#31)
as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today
#35. To: We The People (#25)
I don't know why, because he's stated time and time again what his beliefs are.
#36. To: Thunderbird (#35)
do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?
#37. To: We The People (#33)
Is that considered evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
#38. To: Thunderbird (#37)
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is evidence of a 'persecution complex' on your part
#39. To: We The People (#34)
Your zipper is down and your predisposed bias is showing!
#40. To: Thunderbird (#39)
(Edited)
The Paul campaign needs to address the questions raised by Dondero, not attack him personally.
#41. To: We The People (#36)
Is this your latest conspiracy theory?
#42. To: Happy Quanzaa (#11)
What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff.
#43. To: lucysmom (#42)
or maybe they just want their stuff back.
#44. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
#45. To: We The People (#40)
Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too?
#46. To: Happy Quanzaa (#43)
What stuff would that be?
#47. To: Thunderbird (#41)
No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so.
#48. To: We The People (#38)
Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you?
#49. To: Thunderbird (#41)
I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest
#50. To: Thunderbird (#45)
Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations
#51. To: Fibr Dog, Happy Quanzaa (#44)
So what?
#52. To: Happy Quanzaa (#20)
The dirty ebul Jooz are behind the RP attacks,
#53. To: Thunderbird (#41)
I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest
#54. To: lucysmom (#46)
n Iran it was oil.
#55. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)
It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years.
#56. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)
BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.
#57. To: Thunderbird, Happy Quanzaa (#48)
#58. To: Thunderbird (#22)
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Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
#59. To: jwpegler, Thunderbird (#58)
What message? There is no message from him.
#60. To: Fibr Dog (#56)
As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost.
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