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Title: Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
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The Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... have-fought-hitler_614883.html
Published: Jan 2, 2012
Author: JOHN MCCORMACK
Post Date: 2012-01-02 08:27:43 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Truther, moonbat, kook, loonytoon, Ron Paul
Views: 69386
Comments: 125
A former Ron Paul staffer named Eric Dondero, who worked closely with the Texas congressman and presidential candidate over the course of 15 years, has issued a statement in which he both defends his old boss from charges of racism and anti-Semitism and reveals damning new details about about the "sheer lunacy of [Paul's] foreign policy views". First, Dondero claims that his old boss is such an extreme isolationist that "he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that 'saving the Jews,' was absolutely none of our business." Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist: And lastly, Dondero reveals that Paul wanted to vote against the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 but lacked the courage of his convictions to do so: Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Afghanistan, and to any military reaction to the attacks of 9/11.He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration.
There is much more information I could give you on the sheer lunacy of his foreign policy views. Let me just concentrate on one in specific. And I will state this with absolute certainty:
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...I'd be 100% in favor of an independent investigation into 9-11, so would over 3000 architects and engineers that say I those building coming down from a plane hit defies the laws of physics....building 7 came down and was never even hit by a plane. And yes, we should start minding our own business...that's not isolationism, it's non-interventionism...a stance that serves Switzerland well, and served us well for almost 150 years. Freedom and liberty must scare you terribly...why is that?
You and Eric Dondero have evidence of all of this...correct? Or, do you only have the word of Truther, moonbat, kook, loonytoon Eric Dondero, who was fired?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
A majority of Ron Paul's followers are Truthers, why would they follow someone who isn't one of them?
There you go again! Why do you expect me to answer your questions when you ignore mine? Are you afraid of my questions? You and Eric Dondero have evidence of all of this...correct? Or, do you only have the word of Truther, moonbat, kook, loonytoon Eric Dondero, who was fired?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
You have evidence of this...right? I mean, you wouldn't just pull something stupid out of your ass and post it on a political forum, would you?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Sure, most RP supporters right here on LP are Truthers. Don't you ever read their comments? And then there's this thingy called Google on the internet, you can find all the evidence you need with it.
Sure, most RP supporters right here on LP are Truthers. Ahhhh... I see. You think you can say the most idiotic things imaginable, and produce a link to google as a backup for your wild allegations. Therefor never having to prove any of them. And you believe this is valid somehow. So going by your logic I could say that your father has sex with dogs, then furnish this Google and that would be valid. OK, I see how this works, in your mind.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
BTW, we're on LF, not LP. But while we're on the subject of Truthers, tell me, how is that CT any different than the "They hate us because we're free" CT that you and your neo buddies ascribe to, to justify endless war with any nation that your buddy Obama wants to attack?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Some are, some aren't. Can you prove that it's 'most'? Or is that more BS you pulled out of your ass?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
The simple logic of this question stands out. Why indeed do the truthers follow RP so avidly unless they thought he agreed with them?
Where did I use the They hate us because we're free argument? You have a link to that? No, no you don't because I never said it. What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff. And I have documented history, beginning in 7th Century, to back up my argument.
You got a link to that? LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order. Tagline stutter, that means you can't back up your comment & exposes you as a LOL, as in Liar Out Loud.
LOL! I guess it could be something that simplistic, especially in the mind of a person such as yourself. But do you think it may just be that Britain and America have been meddling in the internal affairs of that region for more than 50 years? That Britain created those 'states'? That America has been actively engaged in overthrowing democratically elected leaders in those 'states'? Could any of that have anything AT ALL to do with it? Good God man... they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff? LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
I guess it could be something that simplistic, especially in the mind of a person such as yourself. But do you think it may just be that Britain and America have been meddling in the internal affairs of that region for more than 50 years? That Britain created those 'states'? That America has been actively engaged in overthrowing democratically elected leaders in those 'states'? Could any of that have anything AT ALL to do with it? Good God man... they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff? LOL! They hate us for both reasons. IMO
Tagline stutter, that means you can't back up your comment & exposes you as a LOL, as in Liar Out Loud. LOL! Ummmmm, sure, whatever. Damn HQ, you're way too easy. You shouldn't post horseshit, cause it's way too easy to make you look stupid.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
He used to called himself Eric Rittberg. No one quite knows what his real last name is. A.) He is a supporter of endless wars in the Middle East (he's half Jewish) B.) He wanted Ron Paul to support the Iraq war C.) He became a disgruntled ex-employee when Ron Paul fired him for insubordination over the Iraq war D.) He tried to run against Paul for Congress and lost badly E.) He has been obsessed with trashing Paul since he was fired
Maps, 1300 years of documented history, logic, reason, commonsense, nothing penetrates the Kool-Aid hardened heads of True Believers.
Why do the truthers support RP unless they think he's one of them? Are the truthers just stupid?
The dirty ebul Jooz are behind the RP attacks, nothing he has said or done has anything to do with why people think he a Truther. That explains it. /sarc
And many more. I know that if China or any other nation had been meddling in America's internal affairs, setting up countless military bases and putting thousands of armed soldiers on our streets, killing civilians, bombing St. Louis, Canton Ohio and Ft. Lauderdale, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and placing puppet governments in charge of America, I'd be pretty damned pissed myself. I'd wager that HQ would be right there fighting along side me too. Yet he cannot see that other nations might get pissed when we do it? It's ridiculous!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
If they weren't they wouldn't be Troofers.
Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, & Big Oil were meddling w/ the Mohammadans in the year 700 AD?
Are the truthers just stupid? I don't know why, because he's stated time and time again what his beliefs are. It's just much easier for simpletons to grab onto a simple idea like "Ron Paul is a truther" and run with it, than it is to actually look for the truth. Do you know why? It could be because of other issues, like ending the Fed and the IRS or the constant endless wars that are bankrupting us. Do you imagine that there might be truthers who don't support Ron Paul? I'll bet there is! (GASP!!!) LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
In this case, it's as good as any other evidence. You want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul? Oh you guys are funny!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Sounds like you've swallowed the 'equivalence of cultures' kool-aid that the left has been serving up for a generation at our colleges and universities.
Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, & Big Oil were meddling w/ the Mohammadans in the year 700 AD? I stated a very specific time period, HQ. You seriously want to punish Muslims for something they did 1400 years ago? What do you want...reparations? LOL! How about we punish the Christians too, for the Crusades? Or do you just want war on Muslims?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Does that mean that the Original True Believers are just gluttons for punishment for settling in a region with such an untoward history?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Only if some other country fights it for him. 3500 years ago the Hebrews were the most war mongering tribes around. Maybe they need some of that punishmnet for the sins of their fathers he seems to think is okay to inflict on others.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
It doesn't change the fact that Dondero was with RP for fifteen years, and certainly has insights into the 'early RP' as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today.
Sounds like you've swallowed the 'equivalence of cultures' kool-aid that the left has been serving up for a generation at our colleges and universities. Oh please! Have we been doing those things in the middle east or haven't we? Yes or no? The only thing I've swallowed is the truth, and believe me, it was hard pill to swallow, but it is what it is. If you think we're right all the time, just because we're America, then there's a term for that.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
It doesn't change the fact that Dondero was with RP for fifteen years, and certainly has insights into the 'early RP' as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today. It also doesn't change the fact that Dondero could be pulling whatever he says out of his ass. Were you there? Were you an eyewitness to these things? If the answer is no, then you also have only the word of a disgruntled former employee. Is that considered evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
LOL! Your zipper is down and your predisposed bias is showing!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Are the truthers just stupid or do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't? Has RP disavowed the truthers the same way he did the white supremecists? What does Occam's razor suggest to you?
Is this your latest conspiracy theory? Has RP disavowed the truthers the same way he did the white supremecists? RP has stated his beliefs on the issue many times. There is a link to it up thread. I guess you can call it whatever you'd like. What does Occam's razor suggest to you? That you'll accept the word of a disgruntled former employee of Ron Paul as positive proof, because it enforces your predetermined beliefs.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Dondero makes a credible witness to the inner workings of the RP phenomena. He was there for fifteen years as an insider. I think the notion that a 'reasonable doubt' standard needs to be applied is evidence of a 'persecution complex' on your part as it applies to Ron Paul.
LMFAO!!! Wow! I have a persecution complex? Dondero makes a credible witness I'm sorry, but what were you saying above? Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? Here-say is just that, my friend. Yet you've already convicted upon it. And you claim that I have a persecution complex? WoW! LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
The Paul campaign needs to address the questions raised by Dondero, not attack him personally. Likewise, your attempt at winning a quick aquittal for RP by challenging my objectivity are failing.
Attack him personally? Show me. I've not seen the Paul campaign even address Dondero. And why should they? Should they address every crackpot who makes an allegation? Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too? Likewise, your attempt at winning a quick aquittal for RP by challenging my objectivity are failing. I'm sure that in your mind, I have failed miserably. Because Paul is already guilty. Right? But I have a 'persecution complex'? LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so. hat you'll accept the word of a disgruntled former employee of Ron Paul as positive proof, because it enforces your predetermined beliefs. I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest, in fact your basis for rejecting my objectivity is evidence of your own predetermined beliefs.
or maybe they just want their stuff back.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
What stuff would that be?
So what?
If Mad Dog were part of the RP inner circle for fifteen years, then I say yes. Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations as they are quickly becoming a part of the daily news cycle and reasonable people are going to want answers. I'm not sure telling the general public to do their homework is an effective campaign strategy for RP going forward.
In Iran it was oil. In Palestine, it's land.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Sure it is. It's funny how you guys always protect your own. You only wish that RP would also have a bevy of girlfriends coming out of the woodwork as the topping on the cake.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Beyond reasonable doubt is a standard reserved for criminal proceedings. That you would raise it preemptively in response to Dondero's comments suggests a certain level of defensveness I attribute to the persecution complex...YMMV.
He works for Paul for 15 years and you don't hear a word from or about him. He gets fired and he makes allegations that he cannot prove one way or the other, just as Paul is running for president? Seriously? Is this your latest conspiracy theory? No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so. Hey, YOU asked the question, "do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?" THAT is a whacky conspiracy theory, suggested BY YOU. Don't get your feelings hurt cause I pointed out the FACT that you're floating whacky CT's.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
No, they don't. But I thought you said they did, and attacked him personally?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.
The Republican establishment, including but not exclusively Jewish neo-cons, are behind the RP attacks. They are behind the RP attacks because he doesn't support wasting America lives and treasure in the Middle East. Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have made this quit clear. It's just that simple. You are just too emotional to be able to think straight about this.
Obviously, because you haven't read what Rittberg / Dumbdero has written over the last 10 years. He is obsessed with Ron Paul. Obsessed.
In Palestine, it's land. It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years. Nobody cared about oil in 700 AD, what was the Muslims' problem when they started this war way back then? Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it. It was our money that brought air conditioned mansions and jetliners with gold fixtures to the 3rd World sand pile known as the Middle East. Before that they lived in tents and cooked their dinner on dried camel dung.
Then why did they have to kick Palestinians off of it. They were just being nasty absenteee landlords?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Oh, they have problems alright. They are so filled with blood lust and/or fear that they either cannot see or just do not care how the police state legislation their candidates support and want to increase will affect the citizens of the United States today and in the future. Besides that, so what if Paul is a truther? The federal government under the control of the two parties has lied to the American people so often and about such small and trivial things that they didn't need to lie about in order to protect their power base that the bigger question is why on Earth should they be believed about anything? If the government tells me the sun is out, I'm going to look out the window to verify even if it's high noon. As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost. The Hitler thing is just a way to inflame American Zionists who consist mostly of uneducated protestant evangelicals in service to their Lord Satan.
This media lackey is trying his best to paint Paul in an unfavorable light.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
What message? There is no message from him. I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser. He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways. His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example: 1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid. 2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets. 3.) He thinks that 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist". 4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel. The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically. It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this.
I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser. He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways. His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example: 1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid. 2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets. 3.) He thinks that 55 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist". 4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel. The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically. It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this. BUMP! But Thunderbird is no conservative. Does he claim to be?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Here is the magic question that these people cannot answer: WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea? Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States. WHY would we sacrifice our citizens, our country, and our economy in ways that puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the world vis-à-vis the countries we are subsidizing? There is no answer at all, let alone a rational and reasonable one, from the neo-commie idiots.
Then why did the west, in 1953, decide Iran's democratically elected government had to go? This is interesting The Iran Democracy Project at the Hoover Institution is part of the Hoover initiative Diminishing Collectivism and Evolving Democratic Capitalism, an area of study that includes analysis and documentation of how totalitarian societies transition to freedom, representative government, and private enterprise. www.hoover.org/research/p...n-democracy-project/about You don't think that's just an intellectual exercise do you?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
No doubt that's why the Japanese would like us out of Okinawa. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
They have China now, they don't need us. China values defense exchanges with Japan: defense ministry www.defpro.com/news/detai...d1275a3b9e660e8823ff7a088 China-Japan Currency Deal Points Way to New Monetary Order There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Not with these donors. "Funding The Hoover Institution receives much of its funding from private charitable foundations, including many attached to large corporations. A partial list of its recent donors includes: Sarah Scaife Foundation, $9,845,500 from 1985-2008 - more than any other foundation in that period, according to Media Matters. (Its most recent grant to the Hoover Institution seems to be $850,000 in 2007.)[4] Archer Daniels Midland Foundation ARCO Foundation Boeing-McDonnell Foundation Chrysler Corporation Fund Dean Witter Foundation Exxon Educational Foundation [7] Ford Motor Company Fund General Motors Foundation J.P. Morgan Charitable Trust Merrill Lynch & Company Foundation Procter & Gamble Fund Rockwell International Corporation Trust Transamerica Foundation"
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
The Hoover Institute played "Chicago Boys" to the Soviet Union's Yeltsin. The team's economic advice focused on privatization, budgeting, taxation, labor markets, banking, price reform and tax administration programs. http://news.stanford.edu/pr/91/910620Arc1287.html
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
We send them billions of dollars a year in foreign aid. We pay rent for every military base. We pay environmental damages every time we have a military exercise (at least in Germany and the ROK, I don't know about Japan or the rest of Europe). Last but not least, military bases provide a lot of jobs for the local population and GI's contribute a lot to the local economy. All of this gives power and influence within their governments.
...I've been shouting that for the last 10 years. You make GREAT points Dog...thanks for spreading the TRUTH!!
First of all, you are quoting Eric Dondero, aka happy fun ball, fifty yard line, no gnu taxes as a credible source? You're kidding, right? Second, Ron Paul has called for a new investigation into 9/11. Third, even the 9/11 commissioners have stated that the final report was based on lies, and they did not get all of the facts from the Bush Administration. 9/11 Commissioners say "Official Story" a Lie The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”. The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required). Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations. 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history. 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting” Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”. 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had - in a way - conflicts of interest“. The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Thank you for proving my point, Paultards are Truthers.
Thank you for proving my point, Paultards are Truthers. You must be Gatlin from LP. Your style is so similar. Ignore what is posted as fact and make shit up as you go along. You are citing Eric Dondero for crying out loud, the former Ron Paul staffer who was fired for incompetence and posts as fifty yard line at LP and no gnu taxes here. Do you actually expect anyone to take you seriously? The commissioners themselves said that the 9/11 report was a fraud. What part of that is so difficult for you to understand? Why are you against a new investigation?
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Go read the whole thread. Dondero has already been discussed extensively, no need to go around in circles.
You're telling me that 3000 architects and engineers don't understand gravity and the minimal effect of it is that things fall in a path of least resistence? building 7 came down and was never even hit by a plane. Right. It was hit by a collapsing building instead.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
You do realize that they are referencing the cooperation of the National Security apparati of the US and not how the buildings fell?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Remind us all again when and where you received your Master's Degree in Architecture and/or engineering. Civil Engineer Jon Cole points out in his latest rapid-paced 18 minute video, 9/11 Theories: Expert vs. Expert, that many people, espousing the official account of the 9/11 WTC events and viewed as technical experts, have proposed a variety of conflicting theories as to why the WTC buildings collapsed on 9/11. What is interesting is that none of those theories supporting the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) obey the laws of physics or match the observed events. This innovative and well-researched video also presents a fascinating 9/11 narrative and compelling images that refute these official accounts of how the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 came down. Some experts told us that fires melted steel, and others pointed out that jet fuel and office fires don’t burn hot enough to melt steel. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) said the molten metal seen coming out of the upper floors of the buildings and found pooled at the bases of their debris was “irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse of the towers.” This material was actually molten steel or (more likely) iron – a byproduct of the incendiary “thermite”. It produces the required temperatures to melt steel and iron, which are twice as high as what office fires or jet fuel can produce. Some experts said the floor truss connections in the Twin Tower broke, causing a “pancaking” collapse, whereas others said that the connections were actually strong enough to pull in the perimeter columns causing their failure. This argument is actually irrelevant, since the local failure of either of these structural elements could not have caused the Twin Towers to fall like a house of cards. Some experts said that the sulfur attack on the WTC7 steel documented by FEMA at Ground Zero came from the pulverized gypsum wallboard, whereas others said it couldn’t have. The truth is that gypsum wall board is used to protect steel and has never been shown to attack it. "if you're not cop, you're little people" Discussed AND debunked.
"if you're not cop, you're little people" In the Kool-Aid marinated TrutherTard/PaulTards' minds. Some may suspect Dondero was maybe deprogrammed by some of those people that go around rescuing people from cults. I thought the Obamabots were brainwashed back in '08 with their fainting, and crying with joy, and kids singing Obama songs and whatnot, but I have to give it to you TT/PTs, your numbers may not be as many, but y'alls craziness is concreted in harder than theirs, by a long shot.
Good luck getting him to cop to that fact.
In the Kool-Aid marinated TrutherTard/PaulTards' minds. The fact remains that your "source" Eric Dondero has every reason to be bitter and vindictive against Ron Paul. You don't seem to get that, instead you keep name-calling instead of addressing that simple fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', TrutherTard/Paultard and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Thankfully this is Ron Paul's last stand. Lets see how much campaign funds he retires with.
Wrong. No evidence has been presented that Eric Dondero is bitter or vindictive toward RP, other than the 'everyone knows' variety by his die-hard supporters.
REALLY??? which building? You flat earth people are a scream...the earth is flat, the Tuskegee experiment never happened, the Gulf of Ton-kin is a conspiracy theory, free trade will help our economy, open borders are wonderful, there really ARE WMD in Iraq, seriously...the economy is GREAT...why, we're only 100 Trillion dollars in debt, and George Bush was lying about wanting a new world order. After ALL the lies that have been forced on you...why do you take ANYTHING they say at face value??? Are you THAT dense?
...what you flat earth people FAIL to acknowledge is, this isn't about Ron Paul...it's about people waking up, educating themselves and understanding the globalists own BOTH parties. They give us their choices to choose between...just like the old soviet union...people had a choice, or course, BOTH choices where communists. The fact you flat earthers don't see what is happening, clearly shows your lack of reasoning ability. I would suggest you step away from the MSN... which are OWNED by those desperately wanting global government. Additionally, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the RNC candidate to win without the support of the those that are awake...and that will NEVER happen. So I guess you better get ready for 4 more years of the Kenyan.
WTC 1 which was feet away from WTC 7.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
...so you believe the governments "official" story?
Since when do I need one to understand gravity? Some experts admitted that there were explosions in the Twin Towers, and others said there were none -- even though there are many eyewitnesses to these explosions. There's a difference between being an eyewitness and simply hearing something. Not one "eyewitness" SAW anything explode after the initial impact of the planes which is when the infamous basement "explosion" occurred. They all HEARD something that sounded like an explosion. Occum's Razor alone reveals that there was no reason to fly planes into the buildings if they were already wired for a CT. It produces the required temperatures to melt steel and iron, which are twice as high as what office fires or jet fuel can produce. The fires didn't NEED to melt metal. It only needed to compromise its weight bearing ability. Neither theory accounts for the speed of the “collapse” or the forensic and video evidence, including the molten metal found at Ground Zero and the thermitic residue identified in the WTC dust. A) You believe that the "speed of the collapse" was what? B) That "dust" was found in apartments months later and, in one case, in Brooklyn. And a chain of custody was never established for that "dust". Truthers are even bigger Moonbats than Berfers.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
The official story reegarding what, exactly? Be specific when you ask a question.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
9-11...that's pretty specific
Bull. Different aspects were examined by different groups.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I didn't realize the government had issued a number of different versions/statements concerning what happedned that day...thanks for playing...
Another refuge who has problems with the subtleties of plain English. NIST 9/11 Commission Are they the same source?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Happy Quanzaa: If they weren't they wouldn't be Troofers. You believe everything the government tells you? Who killed JFK? You think it was Oswald, despite every shred of evidence indicating that not only did he not do it, but he was acting as a low-level operative for the CIA...? You believe the "magic bullet" theory? Do you accept the Warren Commission report? Do you believe the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident occured? If you answered "no" to any of the above question, then it is not so difficult to understand why people might be unwilling to blindly accept the "official" explanation of 9/11. Ron Paul has never he believes the more outlandish theories (remote- controlled airplanes, a Jewish conspiracy, et.al.), but he has stated that many questions remain unanswered, and there should be further investigation. Such a position is not in the realm of "Conspiracy Theory," but a well-thought out position. [One need only look at the testimony of Sibel Edmonds, to start wondering whether all the facts were revealed.]
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
. PaulTARDS are alot of things, none of which are good, or AMERICAN, or even adult. "It's the CULT of PERSONALITY ... CULT of personality .... CULT OF PERSONALITY!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
funny comment coming from a guy who likes to dress up as sarah palin and pretend it's a black athlete hammering his fat ass rather then the skid row bum who paid him a drink of sterno for some hot gay sex
Mad Dog posting away in Alaska... ...waiting for Yukon to come over and ram it up his poop chute.
funny comment coming from a guy who likes to dress up as sarah palin and pretend it's a black athlete hammering his fat ass rather then the skid row bum who paid him a drink of sterno for some hot gay sex What have I told you about posting while looking into a mirror faggot? DON'T do it faggot. It's WAY beyond your pay grade faggot. Did your mother have any children that lived faggot?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. LMAO! SOOOOOOOO "original" dick licker! LOL! You two CUNTS really ought to get a room dick licker. PaulTARD IDIOTS.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Despite your gibberish, I can't think of another candidate who's nomination would guarentee Obama's re-election more easily than Ron Paul.
the FACT remains...without the "Paul" votes, the RNC candidate CAN NOT win. Those are the FACTS! Lets just play your game though...lets say Romney, Santorum, Perry wins the presidency 1) is the TSA going to be dismantled 2) the IRS going to be phased out 3) the Federal Reserve phased out 4) unconstitutional agencies abolished 5) these fake wars ended 6) NDAA repealed 7) Patriot Act repealed 8) 1 Trillion in spending cut the first year 9) Obamacare repealed See...it doesn't really matter if Obama or _______________ wins, NOTHING will change, NOTHING! ALL the players are owned, lock, stock and barrel by those wanting world government...except Paul. You want limited, Constitutional government, Paul is the ONLY one advocating that, you want world government, loss of freedom, crushing debt, endless wars, unaccountable government...vote ANYONE else...they're ALL the same. And I disagree completely with you're premise about Obama being a shoe-in if he is head to head against Paul...I know a LOT of former Democrats that are waking up to the two party fraud also, they're VERY disgusted with Obama and like the freedom and liberty message Paul brings to the table. The fact you don't see the fraud doesn't mean MILLIONS of others don't...educate yourself.
EXACTLY.
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
1) is the TSA going to be dismanteled 2) the IRS going to be phased out 3) the Federal Reserve phased out yada, yada, yada... Paul would be a dictator then.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
...no, Paul would simply be performing his OATH, something the others lied about, enforcing and protecting the Constitution...that means abolishing those agencies that aren't Constitutional. Don't they ALL swear to do this??
Does the Constitution say that the President can eliminate what Congress has created - like the Department of Education?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
I'd like to see some evidence to support that absurd notion.
I find it ironic that he can declare an agency "unconstitutional" without understanding that the USCON explicitly grants Congress the power to create departments of the federal government and puts very little prohibition on what those departments might oversee.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
If you believe the RNC "chosen" candidate can win when Paul just came in 3rd place in Iowa, you just keep on fantasying. How is YOUR choice going to be ANY different than the Kenyan in office...I'm VERY curious!
if congress has overstepped it's authority in creating these agencies then it should be reigned in, and those departments disbanded. Is the dept of education one of the enumerated powers granted the federal government in the Constitution...no!...it is an issue that belongs with the states.
...so, under that pretext, the TSA, Homeland Security, the dept overseeing Obamacare, the NDAA, the Patriot act etc...are ALL Constitutional...In essence Congress could create a dept called the 3rd Reich and it would be Constitutional...I don't think so. Most of these issues belong with the states NOT the federal government...whose powers are limited and very well enumerated.
Actually RP has quite a Democrat following especially among those disappointed in Obama's continued war mongering. And they are registering as Pubbies in order to vote for him in the primaries. Which is why your words don't match your actions.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
The Congress can create a department. What that department may do is then contingent upon the powers conferred to it as being congruent to the USCON. There could be a Department the Third Riech of the Congress so desired. That department may not create or enforce a relgiion, restrict speech or publishing, adminster cruel or unusual punishment, take without compensation etc etc etc. There is only ONE federal department explictly created in the USCON. My money says that you don't even know what it is.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
A Berfer and a Truther?!? Tell me you believe in the Clinton Death List too...oh please please tell me it is so...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Without some research I'd venture to say Treasury...
Post office.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
...not really. It doesn't matter where he was born, he could have been born on the white house steps. To qualify for president, BOTH parents MUST be citizens of the US...by obama's own admission, his father was a British subject, making him ineligible to hold office.
I should have known that...THANKS War! I hate brain cramps. And on a side note...we may disagree on issues but I appreciate your courtesy and civility.
It is well established US law that parentage has nothing to do with citizenship in the US ecept in the very narrowly defined case of the children of foreign ambassadors and attaches. US citizenship is based jus soli not jus sanguinis. It is also well established law that there are only two classes of citizens...natural born and naturalized. He's natural born and he's POTUS.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
No worries x2. Happy New Year//
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
You'd think those who claim to love the Constitution would know what's in it.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
You continue to make the mistake of thinking you think.
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
So...you keep *thinking* that you're not an asshole...even though everyone BELIEVES that you are...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Its not that hard to skew the results when the number of college students in a state out number the number of caucus goers. There are easily thirty thousand students at the University of Iowa alone. Thats why Ron Paul doesn't even compete in states with a population over a million.
Is 'quite the following' a quantifiable number or just something you made up out of thin air?
right on the money.
I'm just curious TB...which part of the Constitution do you hate so much you want it ignored...or is it you just hate the whole thing? I'm curious?
No you're just...stupid.
Pathetic dodge...don't think it went unnoticed. Classic...avoid the question at ALL costs and then call childish names. How old ARE you?
#2. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
#3. To: We The People (#2)
#4. To: Happy Quanzaa (#3)
A majority of Ron Paul's followers are Truthers, why would they follow someone who isn't one of them?
#5. To: Happy Quanzaa (#3)
A majority of Ron Paul's followers are Truthers, why would they follow someone who isn't one of them?
#6. To: We The People (#5)
You have evidence of this...right?
#7. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6)
You have evidence of this...right?
#8. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6)
Sure, most RP supporters right here on LP are Truthers.
#9. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6)
Sure, most RP supporters right here on LP are Truthers. Don't you ever read their comments?
#10. To: Happy Quanzaa (#3)
A majority of Ron Paul's followers are Truthers, why would they follow someone who isn't one of them?
#11. To: We The People (#8)
"They hate us because we're free"
#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#11)
What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff.
#13. To: We The People (#12)
LOL!
#14. To: Happy Quanzaa (#11)
What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff.
#15. To: We The People (#14)
LOL!
#16. To: Happy Quanzaa (#13)
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
#17. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
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Eric Dondero
#18. To: We The People (#14)
#19. To: We The People (#14)
#20. To: jwpegler (#17)
He is a half Jewish
#21. To: A K A Stone, Happy Quanzaa (#15)
They hate us for both reasons. IMO
#22. To: jwpegler (#17)
#23. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Are the truthers just stupid?
#24. To: We The People (#14)
Could any of that have anything AT ALL to do with it?
#25. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Why do the truthers support RP unless they think he's one of them?
#26. To: Thunderbird, jwpegler (#22)
Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
#27. To: We The People (#21)
know that if China or any other nation had been meddling in America's internal affairs, setting up countless military bases and putting thousands of armed soldiers on our streets, killing civilians, bombing St. Louis, Canton Ohio and Ft. Lauderdale, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and placing puppet governments in charge of America, I'd be pretty damned pissed myself.
#28. To: Happy Quanzaa (#24)
Could any of that have anything AT ALL to do with it?
#29. To: Happy Quanzaa (#18)
Maps, 1300 years of documented history, logic, reason, commonsense, nothing penetrates the Kool-Aid hardened heads of True Believers.
#30. To: We The People (#28)
(Edited)
How about we punish the Christians too, for the Crusades? Or do you just want war on Muslims?
#31. To: We The People (#26)
You want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul?
#32. To: Thunderbird (#27)
know that if China or any other nation had been meddling in America's internal affairs, setting up countless military bases and putting thousands of armed soldiers on our streets, killing civilians, bombing St. Louis, Canton Ohio and Ft. Lauderdale, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and placing puppet governments in charge of America, I'd be pretty damned pissed myself.
#33. To: Thunderbird (#31)
You want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul?
#34. To: Thunderbird (#31)
as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today
#35. To: We The People (#25)
I don't know why, because he's stated time and time again what his beliefs are.
#36. To: Thunderbird (#35)
do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?
#37. To: We The People (#33)
Is that considered evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
#38. To: Thunderbird (#37)
(Edited)
is evidence of a 'persecution complex' on your part
#39. To: We The People (#34)
Your zipper is down and your predisposed bias is showing!
#40. To: Thunderbird (#39)
(Edited)
The Paul campaign needs to address the questions raised by Dondero, not attack him personally.
#41. To: We The People (#36)
Is this your latest conspiracy theory?
#42. To: Happy Quanzaa (#11)
What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff.
#43. To: lucysmom (#42)
or maybe they just want their stuff back.
#44. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
#45. To: We The People (#40)
Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too?
#46. To: Happy Quanzaa (#43)
What stuff would that be?
#47. To: Thunderbird (#41)
No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so.
#48. To: We The People (#38)
Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you?
#49. To: Thunderbird (#41)
I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest
#50. To: Thunderbird (#45)
Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations
#51. To: Fibr Dog, Happy Quanzaa (#44)
So what?
#52. To: Happy Quanzaa (#20)
The dirty ebul Jooz are behind the RP attacks,
#53. To: Thunderbird (#41)
I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest
#54. To: lucysmom (#46)
n Iran it was oil.
#55. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)
It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years.
#56. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)
BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.
#57. To: Thunderbird, Happy Quanzaa (#48)
#58. To: Thunderbird (#22)
(Edited)
Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
#59. To: jwpegler, Thunderbird (#58)
What message? There is no message from him.
#60. To: Fibr Dog (#56)
As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost.
#61. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)
Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it.
#62. To: jwpegler (#60)
(Edited)
Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States.
#63. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#62)
#64. To: lucysmom (#61)
You don't think that's just an intellectual exercise do you?
#65. To: mininggold (#64)
Not with these donors.
#66. To: jwpegler (#60)
WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea?
#67. To: Fibr Dog (#56)
why on Earth should they be believed about anything?
#68. To: Happy Quanzaa, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold (#0)
Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist:
#69. To: Deckard, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold, Mad Dog (#68)
To: Happy Quanzaa, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist: First of all, you are quoting Eric Dondero, aka...blah-blah, blah...from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
#70. To: Happy Quanzaa (#69)
#71. To: Deckard (#70)
(Edited)
Eric Dondero
#72. To: freedomsnotfree (#1)
(Edited)
o would over 3000 architects and engineers that say I those building coming down from a plane hit defies the laws of physics....
#73. To: Deckard (#68)
#74. To: war (#72)
(Edited)
You're telling me that 3000 architects and engineers don't understand gravity and the minimal effect of it is that things fall in a path of least resistence?
Some experts admitted that there were explosions in the Twin Towers, and others said there were none -- even though there are many eyewitnesses to these explosions.
Some experts said the perimeter columns bowed out and others said they bowed in. Again, these experts miss the point, because normal office fires cannot possibly cause the systematic, instantaneous failure of all the steel columns that must have occurred in order to cause the rapid, symmetrical destruction of each of the WTC skyscrapers.
Some experts said WTC Building 7 didn’t collapse at free fall acceleration, and others said it did. Fortunately, NIST has already acknowledged the free fall of WTC7, after being publicly embarrassed and provided with analysis by physics instructor David Chandler. 
What is being ignored by these “experts” is the elephant in the room – the numerous facts that confirm the controlled demolition hypothesis
Some experts said thermite couldn’t have been used to cut the steel beams, and others said it could. Cole points out in the video that thermite was used over 75 years ago to melt the steel supporting columns in the controlled demolition of the Skyride Towers.
One self-styled expert with an engineering background even gives two conflicting theories himself. Jonathan Kay, the author of the hit piece Among the Truthers, suggested both the “pancake theory” and “pile driver theory” when interviewed on National Public Radio. Neither theory accounts for the speed of the “collapse” or the forensic and video evidence, including the molten metal found at Ground Zero and the thermitic residue identified in the WTC dust.
After all the time and money spent on government investigations, the defenders of the OCT can’t agree on the nature of those building collapses. What is being ignored is the elephant in the room – the numerous facts that confirm the controlled demolition hypothesis.
This latest video by Cole is not to be missed, especially by those of us who find ourselves in repeated discussions with the deniers of the explosive 9/11 evidence. This tool can be very useful in your hands as you educate others with the truth.
#75. To: Happy Quanzaa (#71)
Go read the whole thread. Dondero has already been discussed extensively,
#76. To: Deckard (#75)
(Edited)
Discussed AND debunked
#77. To: war (#73)
You do realize that they are referencing the cooperation of the National Security apparati of the US and not how the buildings fell?
#78. To: Happy Quanzaa (#76)
Discussed AND debunked
#79. To: Happy Quanzaa (#76)
n the Kool-Aid marinated TrutherTard/PaulTards' minds. Some may suspect Dondero was maybe deprogrammed by some of those people that go around rescuing people from cults. I thought the Obamabots were brainwashed back in '08 with their fainting, and crying with joy, and kids singing Obama songs and whatnot, but I have to give it to you TT/PTs, your numbers may not be as many, but y'alls craziness is concreted in harder than theirs, by a long shot.
#80. To: Deckard (#78)
The fact remains that your "source" Eric Dondero has every reason to be bitter and vindictive against Ron Paul.
#81. To: war (#72)
It was hit by a collapsing building instead.
#82. To: Thunderbird (#79)
Thankfully this is Ron Paul's last stand.
#83. To: freedomsnotfree (#81)
REALLY??? which building?
#84. To: war (#83)
WTC 1 which was feet away from WTC 7.
#85. To: Deckard (#74)
(Edited)
Remind us all again when and where you received your Master's Degree in Architecture and/or engineering.
#86. To: freedomsnotfree (#84)
...so you believe the governments "official" story?
#87. To: war (#86)
The official story reegarding what, exactly? Be specific when you ask a question.
#88. To: freedomsnotfree (#87)
9-11...that's pretty specific
#89. To: war (#88)
#90. To: freedomsnotfree (#89)
I didn't realize the government had issued a number of different versions/statements concerning what happedned that day...thanks for playing...
#91. To: Happy Quanzaa, Thunderbird (#23)
Thunderbird: Are the truthers just stupid?
#92. To: Happy Quanzaa (#69)
#93. To: Mad Dog (#92)
CULT OF PERSONALITY!
#94. To: calcon (#93)
funny comment coming from a guy who likes to dress up as sarah palin and pretend it's a black athlete hammering his fat ass rather then the skid row bum who paid him a drink of sterno for some hot gay sex
#95. To: calcon (#93)
CULT OF PERSONALITY!
#96. To: jwpegler (#94)
#97. To: freedomsnotfree (#82)
So I guess you better get ready for 4 more years of the Kenyan.
#98. To: Thunderbird (#97)
(Edited)
#99. To: freedomsnotfree (#98)
See...it doesn't really matter if Obama or _______________ wins, NOTHING will change, NOTHING! ALL the players are owned, lock, stock and barrel by those wanting world government...except Paul. You want limited, Constitutional government, Paul is the ONLY one advocating that, you want world govenrment, loss of freedom, crushing debt, endless wars, unaccountable government...vote ANYONE else...they're ALL the same.
#100. To: freedomsnotfree (#98)
Lets just play your game though...lets say Romney, Santorum, Perry wins the presidency
#101. To: lucysmom (#100)
#102. To: freedomsnotfree (#101)
...no, Paul would simply be performing his OATH, something the others lied about, enforcing and protecting the Constitution...that means abolishing those agencies that aren't Constitutional. Don't they ALL swear to do this??
#103. To: freedomsnotfree (#98)
the FACT remains...without the "Paul" votes, the RNC candidate CAN NOT win. Those are the FACTS!
#104. To: lucysmom (#102)
#105. To: Thunderbird (#103)
#106. To: lucysmom (#102)
#107. To: war (#104)
I find it ironic that he can declare an agency "unconstitutional" without understanding that the USCON explicitly grants Congress the power to create departments of the federal government and puts very little prohibition on what those departments might oversee.
#108. To: Thunderbird (#97)
Despite your gibberish, I can't think of another candidate who's nomination would guarentee Obama's re-election more easily than Ron Paul.
#109. To: freedomsnotfree (#107)
#110. To: freedomsnotfree (#105)
than the Kenyan in office
#111. To: war (#109)
There is only ONE federal department explictly created in the USCON.
#112. To: freedomsnotfree (#111)
#113. To: war (#110)
A Berfer and a Truther?!?
#114. To: war (#112)
#115. To: freedomsnotfree (#113)
(Edited)
...to qualify for president, BOTH parents MUST be citizens of the US...
#116. To: freedomsnotfree (#114)
#117. To: war, freedomsnotfree (#104)
I find it ironic that he can declare an agency "unconstitutional" without understanding that the USCON explicitly grants Congress the power to create departments of the federal government and puts very little prohibition on what those departments might oversee.
#118. To: lucysmom (#117)
You'd think those who claim to love the Constitution would know what's in it.
#119. To: Capitalist Eric (#118)
#120. To: freedomsnotfree (#105)
If you believe the RNC "chosen" candidate can win when Paul just came in 3rd place in Iowa, you just keep on fantasying.
#121. To: mininggold (#108)
Actually RP has quite a Democrat following especially among those disappointed in Obama's continued war mongering. And they are registering as Pubbies in order to vote for him in the primaries.
#122. To: Capitalist Eric (#118)
You continue to make the mistake of thinking you think.
#123. To: Thunderbird (#120)
#124. To: freedomsnotfree (#123)
I'm just curious TB...
#125. To: Thunderbird (#124)
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