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Title: Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
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The Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... have-fought-hitler_614883.html
Published: Jan 2, 2012
Author: JOHN MCCORMACK
Post Date: 2012-01-02 08:27:43 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Truther, moonbat, kook, loonytoon, Ron Paul
Views: 69479
Comments: 125
A former Ron Paul staffer named Eric Dondero, who worked closely with the Texas congressman and presidential candidate over the course of 15 years, has issued a statement in which he both defends his old boss from charges of racism and anti-Semitism and reveals damning new details about about the "sheer lunacy of [Paul's] foreign policy views". First, Dondero claims that his old boss is such an extreme isolationist that "he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that 'saving the Jews,' was absolutely none of our business." Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist: And lastly, Dondero reveals that Paul wanted to vote against the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 but lacked the courage of his convictions to do so: Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Afghanistan, and to any military reaction to the attacks of 9/11.He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration.
There is much more information I could give you on the sheer lunacy of his foreign policy views. Let me just concentrate on one in specific. And I will state this with absolute certainty:
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#33. To: Thunderbird (#31)
It doesn't change the fact that Dondero was with RP for fifteen years, and certainly has insights into the 'early RP' as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today. It also doesn't change the fact that Dondero could be pulling whatever he says out of his ass. Were you there? Were you an eyewitness to these things? If the answer is no, then you also have only the word of a disgruntled former employee. Is that considered evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
LOL! Your zipper is down and your predisposed bias is showing!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Are the truthers just stupid or do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't? Has RP disavowed the truthers the same way he did the white supremecists? What does Occam's razor suggest to you?
Is this your latest conspiracy theory? Has RP disavowed the truthers the same way he did the white supremecists? RP has stated his beliefs on the issue many times. There is a link to it up thread. I guess you can call it whatever you'd like. What does Occam's razor suggest to you? That you'll accept the word of a disgruntled former employee of Ron Paul as positive proof, because it enforces your predetermined beliefs.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Dondero makes a credible witness to the inner workings of the RP phenomena. He was there for fifteen years as an insider. I think the notion that a 'reasonable doubt' standard needs to be applied is evidence of a 'persecution complex' on your part as it applies to Ron Paul.
LMFAO!!! Wow! I have a persecution complex? Dondero makes a credible witness I'm sorry, but what were you saying above? Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? Here-say is just that, my friend. Yet you've already convicted upon it. And you claim that I have a persecution complex? WoW! LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
The Paul campaign needs to address the questions raised by Dondero, not attack him personally. Likewise, your attempt at winning a quick aquittal for RP by challenging my objectivity are failing.
Attack him personally? Show me. I've not seen the Paul campaign even address Dondero. And why should they? Should they address every crackpot who makes an allegation? Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too? Likewise, your attempt at winning a quick aquittal for RP by challenging my objectivity are failing. I'm sure that in your mind, I have failed miserably. Because Paul is already guilty. Right? But I have a 'persecution complex'? LOL!
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so. hat you'll accept the word of a disgruntled former employee of Ron Paul as positive proof, because it enforces your predetermined beliefs. I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest, in fact your basis for rejecting my objectivity is evidence of your own predetermined beliefs.
or maybe they just want their stuff back.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
What stuff would that be?
So what?
If Mad Dog were part of the RP inner circle for fifteen years, then I say yes. Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations as they are quickly becoming a part of the daily news cycle and reasonable people are going to want answers. I'm not sure telling the general public to do their homework is an effective campaign strategy for RP going forward.
In Iran it was oil. In Palestine, it's land.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Sure it is. It's funny how you guys always protect your own. You only wish that RP would also have a bevy of girlfriends coming out of the woodwork as the topping on the cake.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Beyond reasonable doubt is a standard reserved for criminal proceedings. That you would raise it preemptively in response to Dondero's comments suggests a certain level of defensveness I attribute to the persecution complex...YMMV.
He works for Paul for 15 years and you don't hear a word from or about him. He gets fired and he makes allegations that he cannot prove one way or the other, just as Paul is running for president? Seriously? Is this your latest conspiracy theory? No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so. Hey, YOU asked the question, "do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?" THAT is a whacky conspiracy theory, suggested BY YOU. Don't get your feelings hurt cause I pointed out the FACT that you're floating whacky CT's.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
No, they don't. But I thought you said they did, and attacked him personally?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.
The Republican establishment, including but not exclusively Jewish neo-cons, are behind the RP attacks. They are behind the RP attacks because he doesn't support wasting America lives and treasure in the Middle East. Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have made this quit clear. It's just that simple. You are just too emotional to be able to think straight about this.
Obviously, because you haven't read what Rittberg / Dumbdero has written over the last 10 years. He is obsessed with Ron Paul. Obsessed.
In Palestine, it's land. It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years. Nobody cared about oil in 700 AD, what was the Muslims' problem when they started this war way back then? Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it. It was our money that brought air conditioned mansions and jetliners with gold fixtures to the 3rd World sand pile known as the Middle East. Before that they lived in tents and cooked their dinner on dried camel dung.
Then why did they have to kick Palestinians off of it. They were just being nasty absenteee landlords?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Oh, they have problems alright. They are so filled with blood lust and/or fear that they either cannot see or just do not care how the police state legislation their candidates support and want to increase will affect the citizens of the United States today and in the future. Besides that, so what if Paul is a truther? The federal government under the control of the two parties has lied to the American people so often and about such small and trivial things that they didn't need to lie about in order to protect their power base that the bigger question is why on Earth should they be believed about anything? If the government tells me the sun is out, I'm going to look out the window to verify even if it's high noon. As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost. The Hitler thing is just a way to inflame American Zionists who consist mostly of uneducated protestant evangelicals in service to their Lord Satan.
This media lackey is trying his best to paint Paul in an unfavorable light.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
What message? There is no message from him. I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser. He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways. His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example: 1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid. 2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets. 3.) He thinks that 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist". 4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel. The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically. It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this.
I met Ron Paul 3 times in 1988. I had lunch with him, dinner with him, and introduced him at a fundraiser. He's a nice man who believes that the federal government has overstepped its bounds in very big ways. His views are mis-characterized by neo-cons, just like Reagan's views were mis- characterized by leftists. They are purposefully mis-characterized to discredit him, for example: 1.) He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Obviously, he's against education and wants children to grow up stupid. 2.) He wants to dismantle our two SINGLE PAYER Healthcare Systems -- Medicare and Medicaid. Obviously, he wants the old and poor to die of horrible diseases in the streets. 3.) He thinks that 55 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, American tax payers should NOT be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea, while they use their wealth to put Americans out of work. Obviously, this makes him an "isolationist". 4.) He wants to get rid of foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES. Obviously, this means that he hates Israel. The neo-cons are nothing more than warmed over leftists who still use leftist tactics, including lying and cheating, to get their way politically. It's truly madding to me that people who claim to be "conservative" just can't see this. BUMP! But Thunderbird is no conservative. Does he claim to be?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Here is the magic question that these people cannot answer: WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea? Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States. WHY would we sacrifice our citizens, our country, and our economy in ways that puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the world vis-à-vis the countries we are subsidizing? There is no answer at all, let alone a rational and reasonable one, from the neo-commie idiots.
Then why did the west, in 1953, decide Iran's democratically elected government had to go? This is interesting The Iran Democracy Project at the Hoover Institution is part of the Hoover initiative Diminishing Collectivism and Evolving Democratic Capitalism, an area of study that includes analysis and documentation of how totalitarian societies transition to freedom, representative government, and private enterprise. www.hoover.org/research/p...n-democracy-project/about You don't think that's just an intellectual exercise do you?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
No doubt that's why the Japanese would like us out of Okinawa. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
They have China now, they don't need us. China values defense exchanges with Japan: defense ministry www.defpro.com/news/detai...d1275a3b9e660e8823ff7a088 China-Japan Currency Deal Points Way to New Monetary Order There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Please use in that order.
Not with these donors. "Funding The Hoover Institution receives much of its funding from private charitable foundations, including many attached to large corporations. A partial list of its recent donors includes: Sarah Scaife Foundation, $9,845,500 from 1985-2008 - more than any other foundation in that period, according to Media Matters. (Its most recent grant to the Hoover Institution seems to be $850,000 in 2007.)[4] Archer Daniels Midland Foundation ARCO Foundation Boeing-McDonnell Foundation Chrysler Corporation Fund Dean Witter Foundation Exxon Educational Foundation [7] Ford Motor Company Fund General Motors Foundation J.P. Morgan Charitable Trust Merrill Lynch & Company Foundation Procter & Gamble Fund Rockwell International Corporation Trust Transamerica Foundation"
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
The Hoover Institute played "Chicago Boys" to the Soviet Union's Yeltsin. The team's economic advice focused on privatization, budgeting, taxation, labor markets, banking, price reform and tax administration programs. http://news.stanford.edu/pr/91/910620Arc1287.html
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
We send them billions of dollars a year in foreign aid. We pay rent for every military base. We pay environmental damages every time we have a military exercise (at least in Germany and the ROK, I don't know about Japan or the rest of Europe). Last but not least, military bases provide a lot of jobs for the local population and GI's contribute a lot to the local economy. All of this gives power and influence within their governments.
...I've been shouting that for the last 10 years. You make GREAT points Dog...thanks for spreading the TRUTH!!
First of all, you are quoting Eric Dondero, aka happy fun ball, fifty yard line, no gnu taxes as a credible source? You're kidding, right? Second, Ron Paul has called for a new investigation into 9/11. Third, even the 9/11 commissioners have stated that the final report was based on lies, and they did not get all of the facts from the Bush Administration. 9/11 Commissioners say "Official Story" a Lie The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”. The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required). Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations. 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history. 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting” Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”. 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had - in a way - conflicts of interest“. The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Thank you for proving my point, Paultards are Truthers.
Thank you for proving my point, Paultards are Truthers. You must be Gatlin from LP. Your style is so similar. Ignore what is posted as fact and make shit up as you go along. You are citing Eric Dondero for crying out loud, the former Ron Paul staffer who was fired for incompetence and posts as fifty yard line at LP and no gnu taxes here. Do you actually expect anyone to take you seriously? The commissioners themselves said that the 9/11 report was a fraud. What part of that is so difficult for you to understand? Why are you against a new investigation?
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Go read the whole thread. Dondero has already been discussed extensively, no need to go around in circles.
You're telling me that 3000 architects and engineers don't understand gravity and the minimal effect of it is that things fall in a path of least resistence? building 7 came down and was never even hit by a plane. Right. It was hit by a collapsing building instead.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
You do realize that they are referencing the cooperation of the National Security apparati of the US and not how the buildings fell?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou want it left out of the discussion that Eric Dondero was fired by Ron Paul?
#34. To: Thunderbird (#31)
as opposed to camoflauged RP running for office today
#35. To: We The People (#25)
I don't know why, because he's stated time and time again what his beliefs are.
#36. To: Thunderbird (#35)
do they know something about RP that the general public doesn't?
#37. To: We The People (#33)
Is that considered evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
#38. To: Thunderbird (#37)
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is evidence of a 'persecution complex' on your part
#39. To: We The People (#34)
Your zipper is down and your predisposed bias is showing!
#40. To: Thunderbird (#39)
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The Paul campaign needs to address the questions raised by Dondero, not attack him personally.
#41. To: We The People (#36)
Is this your latest conspiracy theory?
#42. To: Happy Quanzaa (#11)
What I have said is they hate us because were not Muslims and they want our stuff.
#43. To: lucysmom (#42)
or maybe they just want their stuff back.
#44. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler
#45. To: We The People (#40)
Should they address Mad Dog because he said that Paul wants to "do away with the US Armed Forces" too?
#46. To: Happy Quanzaa (#43)
What stuff would that be?
#47. To: Thunderbird (#41)
No this isn't about me, no matter how hard you try to make it so.
#48. To: We The People (#38)
Does the term innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you?
#49. To: Thunderbird (#41)
I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest
#50. To: Thunderbird (#45)
Ultimately, the Paul campaign will have to address these allegations
#51. To: Fibr Dog, Happy Quanzaa (#44)
So what?
#52. To: Happy Quanzaa (#20)
The dirty ebul Jooz are behind the RP attacks,
#53. To: Thunderbird (#41)
I've seen nothing presented that suggests Dondero is 'disgruntled' as you suggest
#54. To: lucysmom (#46)
n Iran it was oil.
#55. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)
It's Israel's land and has been for thousands of years.
#56. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)
BINGO...if THIS is the best those against Paul can do, they've got problems.
#57. To: Thunderbird, Happy Quanzaa (#48)
#58. To: Thunderbird (#22)
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Attacking the messenger doesn't change or refute the message.
#59. To: jwpegler, Thunderbird (#58)
What message? There is no message from him.
#60. To: Fibr Dog (#56)
As far as the isolationist charge goes, it is inaccurate. Dr. Paul is not interested in isolating the United States from the rest of the world. He is a non-interventionist. They have two separate and distinct meanings. Of course, to people who want to make war on the world the distinction is lost.
#61. To: Happy Quanzaa (#54)
Besides, we didn't steal anybody's oil, we paid for it.
#62. To: jwpegler (#60)
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Our military subsidies enable these countries to be better economic competitors against the United States.
#63. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#62)
#64. To: lucysmom (#61)
You don't think that's just an intellectual exercise do you?
#65. To: mininggold (#64)
Not with these donors.
#66. To: jwpegler (#60)
WHY, 57 years after WWII ended, and 23 years after the Cold War ended, should Americans be on the hook for subsidizing the military defense of rich countries in Europe, Japan, and South Korea?
#67. To: Fibr Dog (#56)
why on Earth should they be believed about anything?
#68. To: Happy Quanzaa, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold (#0)
Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist:
#69. To: Deckard, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold, Mad Dog (#68)
To: Happy Quanzaa, freedomsnotfree, We The People, Thunderbird, jwpegler, mininggold Second, Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist: First of all, you are quoting Eric Dondero, aka...blah-blah, blah...from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
#70. To: Happy Quanzaa (#69)
#71. To: Deckard (#70)
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Eric Dondero
#72. To: freedomsnotfree (#1)
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o would over 3000 architects and engineers that say I those building coming down from a plane hit defies the laws of physics....
#73. To: Deckard (#68)
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