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Title: No, Really, Ron Paul Cannot Win
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/really-ron-paul-cannot-win.html
Published: Dec 19, 2011
Author: Jonathan Chait
Post Date: 2011-12-19 19:46:45 by Mad Dog
Keywords: the TRUTH, HURTS, PaulTards
Views: 56073
Comments: 135

Andrew Sullivan, following up his (Republican primary) endorsement of Ron Paul, argues today that campaign reporters and pundits who say he can’t win the nomination are all wrong: We were told one thing after his extensive riff last week on the paranoia around Iran's nuclear weapons, his defense of blowback theory in our encounters with Jihadist terrorism, and his open denunciation of the greatest mistake of his own party in the last decade, the Iraq war (where every other candidate is silent). We were told this ended his candidacy, that there was no constituency for this in the current GOP, that he was throwing it all away, that he has, as the Ailes memo clearly has it, zero chance of getting the nomination.

Well: now he's ahead in Iowa. And, yes, it remains a long, long, long shot. But you know what?

Yes he can.

No, he really can’t.

It would be nearly impossible to imagine the Republican Party nominating a candidate who spent years and years publishing a racist newsletter and has deep associations with the fringe far right.

(Here he is speaking to the John Birch Society on the occasion of its 50th anniversary.)

It would be even more impossible to imagine the Party nominating a candidate who favors total withdrawal from world affairs and takes a Chomsky-ite line on American power. The notion that the Party might nominate a candidate who does both these things is totally preposterous.

Now, Andrew is framing his argument as an argument against a zero chance.

Well, sure. It’s not zero. Paul could win the nomination. It’s also possible that Democrats will follow the Schoen–Caddell plan of nominating Hillary Clinton over President Obama, and Obama will flip to the GOP, and Republicans will nominate Obama, and the general election will be Clinton-Obama II: This Time It’s for All the Marbles.

It’s possible Newt Gingrich will announce the result of a secret experiment he undertook to resurrect Ronald Reagan through saved brain DNA, implanted in the body of a dinosaur created through similar methods, and that Reaganosaurus will rampage through the Republican field, capture the nomination and, in a climactic debate with Obama, devour him in a single bite.

But reporters have good reason to ignore possibilities such as those or a Ron Paul nomination.

Paul’s supporters seem to believe that the media ignoring him is the only thing keeping him from challenging for the Party nomination.

More likely, it’s the only thing that’s allowed his candidacy to progress to this point.

If more people actually understood the full scope of Paul’s fringe-right views, a huge portion of his support would peel off.

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Paul’s supporters seem to believe that the media ignoring him is the only thing keeping him from challenging for the Party nomination.

More likely, it’s the only thing that’s allowed his candidacy to progress to this point.

If more people actually understood the full scope of Paul’s fringe-right views, a huge portion of his support would peel off.

The PaulTards scream and cry tossing ashes around while ripping their clothing.

But he's still "DEAD" Jim.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-19   19:49:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mad Dog (#1)

Yeah...his 30 year voting record of consistently supporting freedom, liberty, and the Constitution has EVERYONE fooled... LOL. You're a "special kind of stupid"...aren't you!

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-12-19   23:42:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: freedomsnotfree (#8)

LOL!

30 years in the/of the CONgress talking while walking, laughing, all of the way to the bank.

Two? Three runs for President? Matching funds and all of those contributions in REAL money. Gee willikers where did all of that money go? laughing all of the way to the bank eh sparky?

RonniePaulie IS ESTABLISHMENT DC and POLITICS, and HAS been for over THREE DECADES and you RUBES see him as your F' ing SAVIOR? LAUGHING all of the way to the BANK sparky.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You PaulTards are admittedly an entirely new dimension of F' ing STUPID aren't ya sparky?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAUGHING ALL OF THE WAY TO THE BANK.

LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-21   17:42:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mad Dog (#14)

Educate yourself dog...you don't realize how foolish you appear to those that have. It's about the CONSTITUTION and limited government...Paul is the ONLY one NOT controlled by the bankers/communist/global elites...the ONLY one...the fact you don't see this, just displays your ignorance. And as far as him laughing all the way to the bank...I'm quite sure he is/was able to make FAR more money in the medical field.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-12-22   8:52:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: freedomsnotfree (#20)

cult fanboy gibberish

Hey FOOL without a CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT AMERICA IS SCREWED.

BUT, your wee hero FRAUD RonniePaulie is NOT OUR savior, you gibbering cult boyFOOL.

It's ALL ABOUT OBAMA, cult boy; it is ALL ABOUT WHAT OBAMA AND THE FERAL GOOBERMENT ARE DOING, RIGHT NOW, TO AMERICA AND AMERICANS.

RIGHT NOW, YOU GIBBERING CULT boy FOOL.

You simpleton cult boys are busy rearranging the deck chairs on deck of Titantic you simpleton MORONS.

What REALLY cracks me up is that YOU cult boys WILL vote for a third party once AMERICA rejects your wee hero FRAUD, AGAIN. You little boys weren't ever going to vote for any repukelican'ts anyhow.

No, you wet brained children are just pitching a FIT that anybody dares call your cult's hero what he IS, which is just another mere flawed little FRAUD of a POLITICIAN.

LOL! cult boy MORONS!

LOL!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-22   16:43:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mad Dog (#25)

Keep screaming the earth is flat, ...and the chosen rnc canadite is different than the chosen dnc canadite. Those that have taken the blinders off, and understand how those controlling BOTH parties opporate, will NEVER go back to supporting the global communist traitors that are selected for us to chose between. The USSR had elections for the people to give the illusion of choice...the choice they were given was a big government communist and another big government communist...same as here. The FACT that your rnc puppet can never get elected without those that REFUSE to drink the koolaid is a FACT,deal with it...freedom is the flavor of the day....poor dog. STILL in the dark while so many have seen the light...being stupid must suck.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-12-24   9:50:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: freedomsnotfree (#40)

.

LOL!

Apparently clear thinking and expression of one's thoughts and emotions is beyond the average PaulTard's , (that's YOU sparky), limited abilities?

As is the use of LOGIC or independent THOUGHT.

You are such an ignorant little phuckwad, that when you stumble upon an OBVIOUS and long known TRUTH, ie. "the two party system is the incumbent system", DUH; that you think that you are a genius with something gnostic to add to the discussion.

You simpering PaulTard beeeyach, YOU are the ones screaming that the earth is flat. That a mere wee lifer DC FRAUD POLITICIAN, who has NEVER even drawn 10% in any NATIONAL election electorate, is the PURE and PERFECT SAVIOR OF THE US CONSTITUTION!

ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CULT boy stooopid beeeeeeeyaches one and ALL.

You have every right to be stoopid bitches. You don't have a right to go un-responded to with the cold hard FACTS.

NO KINGS BUT JESUS!

EVER!

You probably think that has something to do with religion eh bozo?

BUT ... it's the ...

CULT OF PERSONALITY ...

CULT OF PERSONALITY ...

CULT ... OF ... PERs'''' SOooooo===NALllleee---Tee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh RONNY pauLIE! YOU de ONE baaybee YOU de ONLY one ...

siGh

ROTFLMAOAY!!!!

GOOD STUFF!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Thanks for the laughs!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-24   20:37:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Mad Dog (#42)

NO KINGS BUT JESUS!

Exactly who claimed Jesus of Nazareth was or is a King?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-24   22:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#43) (Edited)

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YOU need ignorance to work your bile and hate don't YOU creep?

Too F' ing bad creep.

.

"Get thee behind me serpent!

I tread on thy head in the name of the KING of KINGS!

Get thee behind me serpent!"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

No King But Jesus

The crisis of the ages demands that we renew the historic battle-cry of our Christian Forefathers: "We Have No King But King Jesus!"

"Remove not the ancient landmarks which thy fathers have set."

-- Proverbs 22:28

The Historic Battle-Cry of

the Christian Church is:

"AND HE HATH ON HIS VESTURE AND ON HIS THIGH, A NAME WRITTEN, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."

-- Revelation 19:16

by Charles A. Jennings

The glorious annals of sacred history of the Christian Church record the heroic deeds of many of our forefathers in their struggle against the ungodly dictates of religious and political tyrants. Their unrelenting devotion and allegiance to Jesus Christ as not only prophet and priest, but as the only rightful king resulted in their confrontation with the ungodly political, social and religious authorities. There are numerous historical accounts which offer irrefutable proof that human governments have demanded the total allegiance of their 'subjects,' at the expense of individual God-given rights of personal liberties, political philosophy and religious beliefs.

Early in the life of the first century Church, both the Jewish religious and Roman political authorities attempted to stop the Apostles in their proclamation that Jesus Christ and He alone was and is the only Lord and Savior (Acts 2:36). The Apostle Peter declared; "neither is there salvation in any other: For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). One of the official accusations brought by the Roman government against many members of the Apostolic Church was the charge of ‘atheism,’ because they refused to recognize and worship Caesar as God.

THE APOSTOLIC DECLARATION

"We ought to obey God rather than men"

Peter and the other Apostles

-- Acts 5:29

In the 17th century there was another clear example of staunch Christian believers defending the "Crown Rights" of Jesus Christ. They willingly resolved to give total allegiance to their Savior in spite of the disfavor of the English Crown which resulted in the bloody martyrdom of thousands of Scottish saints. In 1560 the Reform Faith was established as the national religion of Scotland. Forty-three years later in 1603 James VI of Scotland became James I of England. In 1618 the king tried to conform the worship of the Scottish churches to the pattern of the Anglican Church, which policy was pursued by his son Charles I in 1625. The Scottish Presbyterians rejected this royal usurpation by signing the National Covenant in 1638 which declared religious independence from the state church. Again they signed the Solemn League and Covenant in 1643 which pledged themselves in their worship and allegiance only to the Crown Rights of Jesus Christ. Thus they became known as the Scottish Covenanters. They opposed the theory of the Divine Right of Kings and taught that limitless sovereignty pertains to God alone.

In Paul Revere's midnight ride to Lexington to announce the coming of British Regulars, he warned two patriot leaders, the gray-haired Sam Adams and John Hancock who were staying at the home of Parson Jonas Clarke.

Such dissenting views brought strong opposition from King Charles II in 1662 and Presbyterianism was outlawed and the Covenants were denounced as illegal. Following the Biblical admonition of obedience to the Sovereign God instead of an earthly king made the Covenanters ‘rebels’ to the state. Many Scottish preachers, driven from their pulpits, resorted to field preaching. Thousands of Covenanters were hunted down, jailed (sometimes without trial), brutally tortured and killed. In spite of severe persecution and deprivations, many of these despised religious ‘rebels’ met their vicious attackers proudly waving their banners which read:

‘FOR THE WORD OF GOD AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS’ and "FOR CHRIST’S CROWN AND COVENANT."

In spite of certain death, a bleeding remnant of 200 Scottish Covenanters at Blackgannoch Moss in May 1685, loudly proclaimed their fervent declaration of faith:

"LET KING JESUS REIGN, AND ALL HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED!"

Another historical example of the Church’s declaration of the Crown Rights of Jesus Christ is clearly seen in the theology of the Puritan Fathers as follows. "Basic in Puritan political thought is the doctrine of divine sovereignty. It was the sovereign God who created the state and gave to it its powers and functions. The earthly magistrate held his position and exercised his power by a divine decree. He was a minister of God under common grace for the execution of the laws of God among the people at large, for the main tenancy of law and order, and for so ruling the state that it would provide an atmosphere favorable for the preaching of the Gospel. He was to so rule that the people of God, the elect, could live individually and collectively a life that was truly Christian."

(From: A Theological Interpretation of American History" by C. Gregg Singer)

The Christian doctrine of the sovereignty of God and the Crown Rights of Jesus Christ was prevalent in the minds of many patriots preceding and during the American Revolution in their struggle against King George III.

The men of Marlborough, MA unanimously proclaimed in January 1773 that "Death is more eligible than slavery. A free-born people are not required by the religion of Jesus Christ to submit to tyranny...(we) implore the Ruler above the skies, that He would make bare His arm in defense of His Church and people, and let Israel go."

(From: "The Light and the Glory" by Peter Marshall and David Manuel)

Not only from pulpit and town hall came the cries for liberty, but now the average colonist blended his voice in support of total independence from King George. Most Crown-appointed governors remained loyal to their king. One wrote to the Board of Trade in England saying: "If you ask an American, who is his master? He will tell you he has none, nor any governor but Jesus Christ." ("The Myth of Separation" by David Barton) This may have been the incident which gave rise to the cry which was carried by the messengers of the newly formed Committee for Intercolonial Correspondence:

"NO KING BUT KING JESUS"

Either your God will be your King or your king will be your god.

On April 18, 1775 John Adams and John Hancock were at the home of Rev. Jonas Clarke, a Lexington pastor and militia leader. That same night Paul Revere arrived to warn them of the approaching Redcoats. The next morning British Major Pitcairn shouted to an assembled regiment of Minutemen; "Disperse, ye villains, lay down your arms in the name of George the Sovereign King of England." The immediate response of Rev. Jonas Clarke or one of his company was:

"We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus."

In this crucial hour of our nation’s history it is past time that the true saints of God give total allegiance to the Kingship of our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. The crisis of the ages demands that we renew the historic battle-cry of our Christian Forefathers –

"WE HAVE NO KING BUT KING JESUS!"

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" Patrick Henry

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty...of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay, First Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever."

-- Revelation 11:15

www.truthinhistory.org/no-king-but-jesus- http://2.html">www.truthinhistory.org/no-king-but-jesus-2.html

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-26   2:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Mad Dog (#44)

But where in the Bible (you pick the variation) does it say that Jesus is King? Or is that just poppycock that you are posting?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-26   10:43:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#45)

But where in the Bible (you pick the variation) does it say that Jesus is King? Or is that just poppycock that you are posting?

.

LOL!

Not only are you a vile pus filled creep, you are a F' ing STUPID vile pus filled creep.

Scripture is QUOTED several times in my reply to you, you vile pus filled creep.

In other words, you vile pus filled CREEP, I've already done so creep.

All you had to do was to READ and UNDERSTAND my reply to your stupid, ignorant, hate filled "question". I KNOW what you want me to say you vile pus filled creep, too bad, for YOU you vile pus filled creep, that the quoted scripture PREDATES the CHRIST'S passion.

AND there are plenty more references to the KING OF KINGS in scripture, that I could supply.

But you aren't about TRUTH are you you vile pus filled CREEP?

You are all about the PUS and the sh!t and the bile AGAINST Jesus, CHRISTIANS and AMERICANS.

I do not envy YOU YOUR judgement when YOU stand before the Lord.

CREEP.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-26   16:23:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Mad Dog (#48)

AND there are plenty more references to the KING OF KINGS in scripture, that I could supply.

Ah shucks, I missed out on a brand new learning experience because of your self-proclaimed causative reticence. Here is why you can't find any quotes ... are you ready? .... there aren't any with the exception of the Roman Guard claiming the same as they ridiculed Jesus of Nazareth as the "King of the Jews."

You are no Christian in mind and heart and soul looking toward heaven for guidance. You are just a "Mad Dog" as your own self-named monicker implies.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-27   14:03:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo (#49)

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Aw shucks you IGNORANT vile pus filled CREEP, the BIBLE is FULL of references to the "crown rights" of the MESSIAH the CHRIST.

An actual CHRISTIAN, knows this basic fact.

Whatever I am, you vile pus filled CREEP, I'm not the one denying the omnipotence of the one true GOD am I?

LOL!

You are too much of a vile pus filled CREEP to even read scripture let alone attend to it.

What's the matter FOOL?

Can't address the quoted scripture want to parse words or punctuation?

I mean you NEED to deny the DIVINITY of the one true GOD don't YOU serpent?

Of course you do, you vile pus filled CREEP.

Of course YOU do.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-27   15:48:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mad Dog (#53)

the BIBLE is FULL of references to the "crown rights" of the MESSIAH the CHRIST.

That is because of the various Hebrew and Greek interpretations you have read, called the Holy Bible. Messiah is the end-time king, descended from King David and expected to redeem Israel; only a handful of early "Christians" (prior to 200AD) identified Jesus as the Messiah. (Greek: Christos)

An actual CHRISTIAN, knows this basic fact.

You have stated no FACT but moved your idea that KING OF KINGS is a new name. I wonder if we get to explore new and startling ideas from a common mutt.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-27   16:19:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeroo (#55)

That is because of the various Hebrew and Greek interpretations you have read, called the Holy Bible. Messiah is the end-time king, descended from King David and expected to redeem Israel; only a handful of early "Christians" (prior to 200AD) identified Jesus as the Messiah. (Greek: Christos)

Do you deny Jesus was/is the Christ?

Be careful of your answer. It has eternal consequences.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-27   19:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#63)

Do you deny Jesus was/is the Christ?

The way you think he was/is? No, he proved the same, too. No one has seen him come out of the clouds strumming a harp or wearing a halo for just about ever.

Your problem is all about the eschatological writings contained in the version of the Holy Bible that you read or believe in. And no one can solve your problem but yourself.

Be careful of your answer. It has eternal consequences.

Again, you believe in the "end of the world" at some point in time. It isn't unique among so-called conservative, Evangelical "Christians" swearing "fire&brimstone" either. Your ideas are just popular based upon the myths you believe in (and repeated at your Sunday services) and largely borrowed from Iranian Zoroastrian thoughts and principles from about 4000 BCE. That was before Judaism (2000 BCE) and the covenants of organized Christian (200 CE) mythology or even Muslims (500 CE).

Sorry, pal but you guys can discuss KING OF KINGS all you want, but there are no documented sources about the idea at all other than via myth.... and it isn't even contained in the Bible. For Christians, the idea of a "Holy Trinity" doesn't even exist in the Bible.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-27   20:36:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: buckeroo (#64)

and largely borrowed from Iranian Zoroastrian

You're a moron if you believe that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-27   20:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)

OK, Christian mystic, tell us how Abraham borrowed the idea of a "ONE GOD" theory known as monotheism as the Jews didn't practice that idea until he created spread the word. Surely you know. And of course, you know that the clans of Jews were exiled to Babylon (~600 BCE) from Jerusalem, right? They didn't even have a pot to piss in but were smart enough to adopt Zoroastrian thought and principles and eventually came back to Jerusalem (~500 BCE) with the borrowed ideas.

Poor ol' Abraham and Sarah must be shaking in their harps up there in heaven for your own renouncement of historical FACT.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-27   20:55:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeroo (#66)

Here is what I have to say. You have been "educated" beyond your intelligence.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-27   20:58:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#67)

You have been "educated" beyond your intelligence.

Please explain that expression for the many that are not familiar with your profound wisdom and holy presence amongst us mere mortals.

There are no references within the Holy Bible ANYWHERE, NO MATTER WHAT VERSION you decide to pick&choose from to include even the Catholic canonical books written in ~200 CE.

You are just re-piping myth and hearsay.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-27   21:14:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: buckeroo (#68)

There are no references within the Holy Bible ANYWHERE, NO MATTER WHAT VERSION you decide to pick&choose from to include even the Catholic canonical books written in ~200 CE.

New International Version (©1984) Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

New Living Translation (©2007) Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."

English Standard Version (©2001) Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995) Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

International Standard Version (©2008) Jesus answered, "My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my servants would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But for now my kingdom is not from here."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Yeshua said to him, “My Kingdom is not from this world; if my Kingdom were of this world, my servants would be fighting that I would not have been delivered up to the Judeans, but now my Kingdom is not from here.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Jesus answered, "My kingdom doesn't belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. My kingdom doesn't have its origin on earth."

King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here.

American King James Version Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

American Standard Version Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Douay-Rheims Bible Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence.

Darby Bible Translation Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my servants had fought that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.

English Revised Version Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Webster's Bible Translation Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Weymouth New Testament "My kingdom," replied Jesus, "does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my subjects would have resolutely fought to save me from being delivered up to the Jews. But, as a matter of fact, my kingdom has not this origin."

World English Bible Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn't be delivered to the Jews. But now my Kingdom is not from here."

Young's Literal Translation Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.'

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-27   22:51:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#73)

We were discussing that Jesus was/is a King or a KING OF KINGS or something like that; it has nothing to do with the metaphor of a "kingdom" or "my kingdom" as you attempt to point out. If you were traveling to say, England and an indigenous British subject asked you, "where did you come from?" it is possible to answer properly in the possessive form, "my country is America." But that doesn't mean you own or rule or are the President.

Why is it important? Because of Mad Dog's earlier rebuttal using his own phrases that are incorrect and worthless about his self-proclaimed Christianity side tracking the major focus of his dialog; that he (Mad Dog) is only subservient to Jesus and not a government. But, Jesus NEVER said he was/is a KING. Mad Dog and YOU have distorted FACTS (even from your own citations) to prove he said so. Both of you are wrong.

Jesus of Nazareth is discussing, "PARADISE"; of "not of this world." It is a mythological time/place/setting far removed from the Earth and the chains that bind us from reaching PARADISE. All of your rants have proven nothing but that YOU and Mad Dog don't understand the simplest of Jesus' parables.

All of this KING and KING OF KINGS crapola came from hearsay, movies, rants, gossip and BS.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-28   12:18:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#74)

We were discussing that Jesus was/is a King or a KING OF KINGS or something like that;

No you vile pus filled piece of crap.

We were not discussing the FACT that Jesus has ALWAYS been called "KING OF KINGS".

I used the American Revolutionary WAR battle cry "NO KINGS BUT JESUS!" as an example of how CULTS of personality, (ie your PaulTard CULT), are ANTI/UN/AMERICAN.

You serpent, have pissed yourself trying to say that WE have said that Jesus said it in scripture, which neither Stone or I have done.

YOU said it you vile pus filled CREEP.

The FACT REMAINS that JESUS is the CHRIST; and the CHRIST who IS GOD; IS the literal KING OF ALL KINGS.

THIS FACT is IN ALL Christian SCRIPTURE, and ALWAYS has been.

What is going on here is a vile pus filled serpent, who hates and denies the DIVINITY of JESUS and of GOD, is trying to change the subject, (quite successfully so far). From my original point that PaulTards are members of a CULT.

Now this vile pus filled CREEP, is twisting my words and trying to say that I claimed that Jesus has claimed that he was a KING, which he NEVER did, directly; and I NEVER claimed that he did.

Of course, JESUS certainly referred to his KINGDOM, and nobody but KINGS have "KINGdoms" do they?

Fuckeroo has no purpose here other than to DENY the DIVINITY of the CHRIST, and to TRY to F with me. ("He" succeeds at neither.)

Which "the CREEP" tries to do while POSING as a Christian.

Which "the CREEP" obviously is NOT.

Because ALL Christians KNOW and HONOR that Jesus the Christ IS the KING of KINGS.

Don't like that CREEP?

Too bad CREEP.

JESUS IS KING OF KINGS!

NO KINGS BUT JESUS!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-28   16:30:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Mad Dog (#91)

JESUS IS KING OF KINGS!

NO KINGS BUT JESUS!

Jesus of Nazareth never claimed to be a KING. All your personal beliefs shows you just want a Freudian psychological crutch for your own personal failings in a make-believe land called BS.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-28   21:31:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: buckeroo (#96) (Edited)

Md; CHRISTIANS and AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARIES SAID;

"JESUS IS KING OF KINGS!"

"NO KINGS BUT JESUS!"

serpent; Jesus of Nazareth never claimed to be a KING. All your personal beliefs shows you just want a Freudian psychological crutch for your own personal failings in a make-believe land called BS.

Now you TRY to backpedal eh serpent?

SHOW ME serpent, WHERE I EVER CLAIMED THAT JESUS HAD DIRECTLY CLAIMED TO BE A KING, YOU LYING, PUS FIILED, SCUMBAG SERPENT.

Now, TRY to change the subject, again, SERPENT.

You pitiful, hate filled, lying, pus filled sh!tbag, GOD hating, AMERICA and AMERICANS hating serpent MOO-ROOOON punk beeeeeyach.

SQUIRM SNAKE!

Be WHAT YOU ARE SNAKE!

SQUIRM!

LOL!

Poetic!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-29   17:08:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Mad Dog (#99)

Post#48: Mad Dog: AND there are plenty more references to the KING OF KINGS in scripture, that I could supply.

Post#91: Mad Dog: I used the American Revolutionary WAR battle cry "NO KINGS BUT JESUS!" as an example of how CULTS of personality, (ie your PaulTard CULT), are ANTI/UN/AMERICAN.

Post#94: buckeroo: Why? Why didn't you answer my direct question from WWAAYY-UP the thread to freely admit that YOU lied about your references about Jesus of Nazareth within the Holy Bible?

Post#99: Mad Dog: Now you TRY to backpedal eh serpent?

Look who is "backpedaling!" LOL ... It is your thread, too.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-30   15:13:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: buckeroo (#116)

Post#48: Mad Dog: AND there are plenty more references to the KING OF KINGS in scripture, that I could supply. Post#91: Mad Dog: I used the American Revolutionary WAR battle cry "NO KINGS BUT JESUS!" as an example of how CULTS of personality, (ie your PaulTard CULT), are ANTI/UN/AMERICAN.

Post#94: buckeroo: Why? Why didn't you answer my direct question from WWAAYY-UP the thread to freely admit that YOU lied about your references about Jesus of Nazareth within the Holy Bible?

Post#99: Mad Dog: Now you TRY to backpedal eh serpent?

Look who is "backpedaling!" LOL ... It is your thread, too.

Why would I backpedal serpent?

Since I have never been wrong about any of this?

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"AND HE HATH ON HIS VESTURE AND ON HIS THIGH, A NAME WRITTEN, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."

-- Revelation 19:16

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Jesus didn't say it serpent, (and I never said that Jesus said it serpent), but GOD sure did say it.

You quote me being correct serpent.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-30   15:33:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Mad Dog (#118)

"AND HE HATH ON HIS VESTURE AND ON HIS THIGH, A NAME WRITTEN, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."

-- Revelation 19:16

Well after days of time on this thread, I finally achieved one answer from you. Thanks, it is inspiring that you research your own dogma. So, I went ahead to ensure that you are somewhat correct:

New International Version (©1984) On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. New Living Translation (©2007) On his robe at his thigh was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords.

English Standard Version (©2001) On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

New American Standard Bible (©1995) And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

International Standard Version (©2008) On his robe and his thigh he has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) And he has on his garment over his thigh the name written: “The King of Kings and The Lord of Power.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) On his clothes and his thigh he has a name written: King of kings and Lord of lords.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003) And he has on his robe and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

American King James Version And he has on his clothing and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

American Standard Version And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KINGS OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Douay-Rheims Bible And he hath on his garment, and on his thigh written: KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Darby Bible Translation And he has upon his garment, and upon his thigh, a name written, King of kings, and Lord of lords.

English Revised Version And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Webster's Bible Translation And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Weymouth New Testament And on His outer garment and on His thigh He has a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

World English Bible He has on his garment and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Young's Literal Translation and he hath upon the garment and upon his thigh the name written, 'King of kings, and Lord of lords.'

But, the Book of Revelations was included into the New Testament by unknown authors.

Jesus of Nazareth never stated he was a king. It is a misrepresentation for anyone to differentiate the simple words of Jesus as written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John into a grandiose concept that there is a representation otherwise. BTW, the Book of Revelations is not easily understood by anyone including you.

It was often local custom of the times (~32 CE to 200 CE) that Dr. Dodd is correct about the writings:

"it appears to have been an ancient custom among several nations to adorn the images of their deities, princes, victors at public games, and other eminent persons, with inscriptions, expressing either the character of the persons, their names, or some other circumstance which might contribute to their honor; and to that custom the description here given of Christ may possibly have some allusion.

Sorry, pal. I still don't buy your silly messages about Jesus of Nazareth. To me, your single citation (which is far from many or "plenty" as you suggested) is a gross misrepresentation of what Jesus stood for.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-12-30   16:34:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#124. To: buckeroo (#122)

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LOL!

Serpent you had your answer in post #48.

Serpent, I said "references to", don't you speak English serpent?

Oh that's right! Confusion is the serpent's TOOL, eh serpent?

You HATE GOD and JESUS serpent, what does what you "think" matter, it's absurd to act as if you could tell even yourself the truth. LOL! YOU don't even have the ability to know what the truth is.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-12-30 16:50:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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