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Title: Op-Ed: Why Ron Paul is right on Iran, why Michele Bachmann is wrong
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Digital Journal
URL Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/316314
Published: Dec 18, 2011
Author: Andrew Moran
Post Date: 2011-12-18 16:42:27 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 14991
Comments: 34
+ Des Moines - The last two-hour Iowa debate saw former House Speaker Newt Gingrich being attacked, former Governor Mitt Romney defending himself and former Governor Jon Huntsman proclaiming his conservatism. But one moment changed everything: Iran. Digital Journal reported Sunday about the latest grassroots video that defends Texas Congressman Ron Paul’s foreign policy stance. It highlights the issues of blowback, foreign resentment and many experts asserting what the three-time presidential candidate has been talking about all along. You have probably heard this quite a lot by the Republican faithful: “I like Ron Paul on most of the issues, but his foreign policy scares me.” Or even the mind-numbing: “I would vote for Ron Paul, but I don’t think he can win.” Neither of the aforementioned makes any sense. This week, the last Iowa GOP debate was held, which is the last one until the Iowa Caucuses are held on Jan. 3. The media has already exclaimed that if the libertarian-leaning Republican wins Iowa, it doesn’t matter – of course if Newt Gingrich wins then it would be a completely different story. There was one key moment during Thursday’s debate that put the Republican Party into perspective. It wasn’t “Newt Romney’s” position on mandated health care. It wasn’t Gingrich’s lobbying. It wasn’t Texas Governor Rick Perry’s comparison to Tim Tebow. It also wasn’t former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum’s history in the senate. In the second half of the debate, Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann criticized Dr. Paul’s “dangerous answer” on Iran. As usual, Bachmann, akin to the rest of her GOP colleagues, promoted war propaganda against Iran, which is reminiscent to what the world heard regarding Iraq. The Fox News moderator asked if Paul would be “running left of President Obama on the issue of Iran?” Paul responded: “But I'd be running with the American people, because it would be a much better policy. For you to say that there is some scientific evidence and some people arguing that maybe in a year they might have a weapon, there's a lot more saying they don't have it.” The best-selling author continued his non-interventionist message, but Bachmann later stated: “And with all due respect to Ron Paul, I think I have never heard a more dangerous answer for American security than the one that we just heard from Ron Paul.” As most of the mainstream media and the Washington establishment, Bachmann reiterated the talking points that Iran’s goal is to “wipe our ally, Israel, off the face of the map,” “they will use it [nuclear weapon] against the United States of America” and “extend jihad across the world and eventually set up a worldwide caliphate.” Similar to four years ago when the congressman slapped Mayor Rudy Giuliani with sound logic, Paul said: - He would like to reduce nuclear weapons worldwide. “Obviously, I would like to see a lot less nuclear weapons. I -- I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I would like to reduce them, because there would be less chance of war.” - Muslim radicals attack the U.S. because they are bombing them. “Do they go to Switzerland and Sweden?” - Should the U.S. start a war over a drone? “What is the whole world about the drone being in Iran? And we're begging and pleading, and how are we going to start a war to get this drone back? Why were we flying the drone over Iran? Why do we have to bomb so many countries? Why are we in -- have 900 bases, 130 countries, and we're totally bankrupt? How are you going to rebuild the military when we have no money? How are we going to take care of the people?” With passion and intellectual oppugn, Paul called this “wild goal” of initiating another war with Iran in the name of national defense as dangerous. He added that the danger is actually the U.S. “overreacting.” Bachmann responded that the biggest danger would be the “greatest under-reaction” in history. Paul is correct when he says they are “dramatizing” this whole issue. In Iraq, the war has killed more than a million Iraqis, thousands of American lives have been lost and many more injured – don’t forget about the amount of money spent on the endeavor. Indeed, you cannot solve these issues by going to war because it establishes resentment, retaliation and blowback. Of course, there is the ever important question of: then what? Let’s just say, for arguments sake, a NATO-led mission begun. The U.S., Canada, Great Britain and others launch a nuclear attack on Iran. Many lives lost, many more lives endangered and the incumbent government has been wiped out. Then what happens? Should there be permanent military bases in Iran? A strong Western presence? What about the oil? What Bachmann fails to realize is that the world is broke. Economies of the Western world are facing severe debt issues – the U.S. alone has $15 trillion in national debt and $110 trillion in unfunded liabilities and expenditures. What she also doesn’t seem to understand is that Iran is not going to attack Israel or the U.S. because both nations have a strong nuclear arsenal. Not to mention that there would be an immediate response by two or more parties. Another point that the Tea Party figure doesn’t fathom is that a worldwide caliphate will never be created. Does anyone think that Russia, China, Great Britain, Canada or Australia will let that happen? This is simple warmongering on the part of Bachmann. Much of this election has been about candidates tergiversating on the issues. Although it is important to have a clear position on the issues, I wish much of these candidates would flip flop on their foreign policy. “You can solve the problems if we follow our constitution and go to war only when we declare the war, win them and get them over with instead of this endless fighting and this endless attitude that we have enemy all around the world,” concluded Paul in one of his final remarks of the night.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
You can be pro-abortion and be a Republican in good standing (like Rudy Guiliani). You can be for government controlled healthcare and be a Republican in good standing (like Mitt Romney). You can dramatically grow the size and scope of government and be a Republican in good standing (like George Bush). But, if you aren't dedicated to endless wars in the Middle East, you are Persona non grata in the GOP. Something is really wrong with these dimwits.
I'll bet you all of the "money" that the messiah 'king" obammy has put our children into debt over, IF you can find any place in the US CONSTITUTION where it REQUIRES a declaration of WAR to go to WAR. Because it DOES NOT. ANYWHERE. RonniePaulie is not a repukelican't he's a LIBERTARIAN; and his so called foreign policy is a giant leap into the 18th century, when PHYSICAL distance was enough to keep nations safe. He will NEVER be President of the USA and he will NEVER even draw 10% of the overall vote. Him being a JEW/Israel hater isn't going to help him with the vast majority of SANE Americans either. All that your wee hero is is an effort to split votes away from the repukelican'ts by the demonRATS. Is there any doubt that once your little hero is whupped that he will try to run as third party, again? The ONLY thing more repulsive and absurd than the little FRAUD bitch RonniePaulie posing as a CONSERVATIVE hero is the mewling herd of spit flecked rabid fools who worship him. Do your worst LOSERS. You ALL in total mean NOTHING in US electorial politics, you barely amount to a rounding error.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Looking into the mirror bitch? Eat Shit And Die. See Ya in NOVEMBER, BITCH.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Something is really wrong with these dimwits. Indeed. However the DEMs(in congress) aren't much better. I've been basically pleased with President Obama's dealings with the mid-east but he is now having to pander to the 'amen-corner' for the elections. I trust after his re-election, I won't be disappointed either.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Because it DOES NOT. ANYWHERE. Only congress has the power to declare war. It is in fact required. Remember powers were delegated by the states. The constitution gave no other entity the power to declare war. So it is ridiculous to believe that a declaration of war isn't/wasn't necessary. Otherwise why go to the trouble to give congress that power.
Actually he is a Republican. He is more of a Republican then Newt or Mitt.
That may be true. Sad if it is.
What makes you think he hates Jews? What did George Washington warn us about entangling alliances? Was he full of shit?
Some food for thought about how the Republicans would sell Obama as a candidate: Is there any doubt that once your little hero is whupped that he will try to run as third party, again? Split whose vote. Is he going to take away the pro life vote from Mitt? Is he going to take the open border support away from Newt. By the way Michelle Obama says she is a christian. Then she also says Iran would surely nuke Israel. Doesn't the Bible say God will protect Israel? Doesn't Michelle Bachman know that? Do you like Newt because he cheated on his wife or is it his third wave new world order stuff you admire? Mitt and Newt supported the bailout, do you? Ron Paul doesn't. Everyone on stage supported the patriot act save one, Ron Paul. Do you support the patriot act and detention without a trial or charges? If you don't like Ron Paul that is fine. But that would mean your hero is defined as someone who supports tarp, drones that can kill Americans without a trial, Legal status for illegals, etc. Ron Paul isn't for war so he is bad according to you. So is killing foreigners more important then being free in the "homeland'?
Worship him. Nah. He is just s man. Better then the other men on stage at the debate though.
Then this All that your wee hero is is an effort to split votes away from the repukelican'ts by the demonRATS. Makes no sense my friend.
You voting in the R primaries? What is not to be disappointed about?
If basic math is too difficult, let me explain. By running a THIRD party your wee hero will make TWO choices, demonRATs OR repukelican'ts into THREE choices. THAT means some votes will go to your wee hero which would have gone to either the demonRATs or the repukelican'ts. So .. I say again, FU@K RON PAUL and FU@K THE CREDULOUS CULT OF PERSONALITY SUPPORT FOR THE LITTLE FAILED FRAUD. The cult of personality chumps will NEVER pull more than the low TEENS in percentages of the TOTAL AMERICAN electorate in NATIONAL FEDERAL ELECTIONS. BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS, including me believe that YOUR wee hero is a FRAUD. The VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS are NOT up to a GIANT LEAP BACK INTO THE F ING 18th CENTURY. AMERICA and MOST AMERICANS will NOT HAVE HIM. He is just another FRAUD. I PISS ON HIM.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
That is absurdly debatable BULLSHIT. Not to mention the WOMAN on that stage who stands heads and shoulders above your wee FRAUD hero.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
aka; Then this All that your wee hero is is an effort to split votes away from the repukelican'ts by the demonRATS. Makes no sense my friend. A ROUNDING error can mean alot in a close election, and THIS coming election with over a BILLION DOLLARS is going to be a CLOSE election. Unfortunately, It makes all TOO MUCH sense
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I used to like Bachman. She throws out a lot of red meant I like. I think she has diminished herself a bit in the debates. Her attack on Newt and abortion fell short. She doesn't even know that the Bible says God will protect Israel not America.
Unfortunately, It makes all TOO MUCH sense Ron Paul isn't running third party. Let me tell you why. Rand is running in 2016 if Ron is unsuccessful. A third party spoiler role would weigh heavy on Rands run.
I'd take her in a heartbeat over all the rest of those phony MFers. At least she is a mother, and I KNOW that she LOVES AMERICA.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
A few minutes ago it was less then 10 percent. What has changed your mind in the last few minutes?
At least she is a mother, and I KNOW that she LOVES AMERICA. I believe she is sincere in her love for America. I don't think she is the best choice,not by a long shot.
AMERICA and MOST AMERICANS will NOT HAVE HIM. He is just another FRAUD. What is fraudulent about George Washington and Ron Paul?
Yet. He likely will once he LOSES the repukelican't primary. His ego is as big as any in DC. Too BIG to forgo his last chance at a spot in the limelight.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
A few minutes ago it was less then 10 percent. What has changed your mind in the last few minutes? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze ... Since it's an entirely MADE UP NUMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE, statistically they are the F' ing SAME.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
What sane AMERICAN would even mention those two names in conjunction? George Washington was no fraud in any way. HE WAS A GREAT AMERICAN, maybe the GREATEST EVER. Your wee FRAUD hero is a lifer politician, he'd be unfit to even carry Washington's dirty jock strap.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Well THAT, and a bit of common sense, and some BALLS, is more than any of the rest of them have ever had. I don't see anybody BETTER.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Here is a prediction for you. Take it to the bank. She wont be the nominee. Ron Paul will beat her in every race. She will drop out and endorse RINO Romney. Will you think less of her when she endorses pro abort Romney?
hero is a lifer politician Ron Paul practised medicine for many years, in addition to serving in the Air Force.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Because it DOES NOT. ANYWHERE. Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power ... To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water..." Which means precisely dick. If the ONLY way you're going to smear an honorable man- because he follows the Constitution- is to call him a libertarian, then you're trying to walk into a gunfight with a plastic butter- knife. Get real. You talk tough, but at the end of the day, you're a moral coward. God never gave you the one characteristic which matters most- courage. Instead of standing for what's right, your support of romney indicates that ultimately, you'll vote for the "lesser of two evils," in the hope that your candidate wins. But the reality is that, unless you stand for someone who will change the game, you make it so that we all lose.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- Will you think less of her when she endorses pro abort Romney? I don't get you cult of personality people. She's a POLITICIAN. POLITICIANS are by definition WHORES. I DESPISE them ALL. BUT it IS what it IS. What part of "anybody (SANE), BUT obammy" don't you get? See the "SANE"? That leaves out your wee FRAUD hero. Why are the demonRATS registering as repukelican't so as to be able to vote FOR RonniePaulie in the primary? They want what is best for America? LOL! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. It's ALL about OBAMA people, it's ALL about defeating OBAMA. TRY to FOCUS kiddies.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
FOOL; Ron Paul practised medicine for many years, in addition to serving in the Air Force. RonniePaulie has spent DECADES actually doing NOTHING that he CLAIMS to believe in FOOL. He runs for president to make MONEY FOOL. He runs for president to feed his EGO FOOL. RonniePaulie was first elected to office in 1978, and has held office during the last 33 YEARS, which makes him a LIFER politician FOOL. Your wee hero is just another FRAUD, FOOL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Hey asshole, that is NOT a REQUIREMENT for a WRITTEN DECLARATION OF WAR. IS IT? You phony dissembling bitch? SHOW US ALL where the text is, where a US CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT for a written DECLARATION of WAR is FOOL. You CAN't, because it DOESN'T EXIST, yet YOU bitch TRY to call me ignorant of the US CONSTITUTIONAL and a COWARD. What is right you COWARDLY little bitch is AMERICA. What SAVES and PROMOTES, and PRESERVES, THE TRADITIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE, OUR PEOPLE, OUR POSTERITY, and HONORS OUR ANCESTORS is what I ALWAYS SUPPORT BOTH IN THOUGHT AND IN ACTION. That you confuse the cult of personality of a terribly flawed little man over the logic and hard choices of being a free man shows that you know your place. You belong in the mewling and bleating cult of personality group think herd. Your pose as a FREE person is way more earnest than your actual ACTIONS as one. It's ALL ABOUT F' ing AMERICA you stoopid bitch. RonniePaulie isn't fit to wipe AMERICA'S ass. I DON'T "support Romney" you gibbering FOOL! I F' ing SUPPORT AMERICA you simpleton FOOL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Everything you said was your opinion and not facts. In fact the one above is not true at all. Ron Paul actually had a real job and delivered babies. He didn't get back into politics til like 96 or 98 when he thought the Republicans were serious about reigning in government.
#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
“You can solve the problems if we follow our constitution and go to war only when we declare the war, win them and get them over with instead of this endless fighting and this endless attitude that we have enemy all around the world,” concluded Paul in one of his final remarks of the night.
#3. To: Mad Dog (#2)
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
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#5. To: jwpegler (#1)
But, if you aren't dedicated to endless wars in the Middle East, you are Persona non grata in the GOP.
#6. To: Mad Dog (#2)
I'll bet you all of the "money" that the messiah 'king" obammy has put our children into debt over, IF you can find any place in the US CONSTITUTION where it REQUIRES a declaration of WAR to go to WAR.
#7. To: Mad Dog (#2)
RonniePaulie is not a repukelican't he's a LIBERTARIAN; and his so called foreign policy is a giant leap into the 18th century, when PHYSICAL distance was enough to keep nations safe.
#8. To: Mad Dog (#2)
He will NEVER be President of the USA and he will NEVER even draw 10% of the overall vote.
#9. To: Mad Dog (#2)
Him being a JEW/Israel hater isn't going to help him with the vast majority of SANE Americans either.
#10. To: Brian S (#5)
#11. To: Mad Dog (#2)
All that your wee hero is is an effort to split votes away from the repukelican'ts by the demonRATS.
#12. To: Mad Dog (#2)
The ONLY thing more repulsive and absurd than the little FRAUD bitch RonniePaulie posing as a CONSERVATIVE hero is the mewling herd of spit flecked rabid fools who worship him.
#13. To: Mad Dog (#2)
You ALL in total mean NOTHING in US electorial politics, you barely amount to a rounding error.
#14. To: Brian S (#5)
I trust after his re-election, I won't be disappointed either.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)
#16. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Better then (sic) the other men on stage at the debate though.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#13)
md; You ALL in total mean NOTHING in US electorial politics, you barely amount to a rounding error.
#18. To: Mad Dog (#16)
Not to mention the WOMAN on that stage who stands heads and shoulders above your wee FRAUD hero.
#19. To: Mad Dog (#17)
A ROUNDING error can mean alot in a close election, and THIS coming election with over a BILLION DOLLARS is going to be a CLOSE election.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
#21. To: Mad Dog (#15)
The cult of personality chumps will NEVER pull more than the low TEENS in percentages
#22. To: Mad Dog (#20)
I'd take her in a heartbeat over all the rest of those phony MFers.
#23. To: Mad Dog (#15)
The VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS are NOT up to a GIANT LEAP BACK INTO THE F ING 18th CENTURY.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#19)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#21)
The cult of personality chumps will NEVER pull more than the low TEENS in percentages
#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)
What is fraudulent about George Washington and Ron Paul?
#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)
I believe she is sincere in her love for America.
#28. To: Mad Dog (#27)
I don't see anybody BETTER.
#29. To: Mad Dog, A K A Stone, *Ron Paul for President* (#26)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#30. To: Mad Dog (#2)
I'll bet you all of the "money" that the messiah 'king" obammy has put our children into debt over, IF you can find any place in the US CONSTITUTION where it REQUIRES a declaration of WAR to go to WAR.
RonniePaulie is not a repukelican't he's a LIBERTARIAN;
Do your worst LOSERS.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#31. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Here is a prediction for you. Take it to the bank. She wont be the nominee. Ron Paul will beat her in every race. She will drop out and endorse RINO Romney.
#32. To: hondo68 (#29)
md; your wee hero is a lifer politician
#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#30)
#34. To: Mad Dog (#32)
RonniePaulie was first elected to office in 1978, and has held office during the last 33 YEARS
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