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Title: Finally, A Rich American Destroys The Fiction That Rich People Create The Jobs
Source: Daily Ticker
URL Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail ... h-people-create-152949393.html
Published: Dec 15, 2011
Author: Henry Blodget
Post Date: 2011-12-17 22:19:37 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 33072
Comments: 64

In the war of rhetoric that has developed in Washington as both sides blame each other for our economic mess, one argument has been repeated so often that many people now regard it as fact:

Rich people create the jobs.

Specifically, entrepreneurs and investors, when incented by low taxes, build companies and create millions of jobs.

And these entrepreneurs and investors, therefore, the argument goes, can solve our nation's huge unemployment problem — if only we cut taxes and regulations so they can be incented to build more companies and create more jobs.

In other words, by even considering raising taxes on "the 1%," we are considering destroying the very mechanism that makes our economy the strongest and biggest in the world: The incentive for entrepreneurs and investors to build companies in the hope of getting rich and, in the process, creating millions of jobs.

Now, there have long been many problems with this argument starting with

1. Taxes on rich people (capital gains and income) are, relative to history, low, so raising them would only begin to bring them back in line with prior prosperous periods, and

2. Dozens of rich entrepreneurs have already gone on record confirming that a modest hike in capital gains and income taxes would not have the slightest impact on their desire to create companies and jobs, given that tax rates are historically low.

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#1. To: lucysmom (#0)

one argument has been repeated so often that many people now regard it as fact:

Rich people create the jobs.

Quick how many jobs has Bill Gates created?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-17   22:59:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Quick how many jobs has Bill Gates created?

How many jobs would Gates have created if only the upper one percent could afford to buy computers?

How would tax cuts for the wealthy improve demand for Gates products?

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-18   0:15:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#4)

How would tax cuts for the wealthy improve demand for Gates products?

Not just Bill Gates but lots of others would benefit.

First off your premise is wrong. Who the hell are you to decide that someone who earns their money should have it taken away. First it isn't a tax cut. It is a reduction in money stole.

If people have more money. They have more money to spend. They can start a business if they want. That would stimulate the market. But maybe they just want to save their money they earned. So again who the hell are you to take it away?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-18   0:23:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Who the hell are you to decide that someone who earns their money should have it taken away. First it isn't a tax cut. It is a reduction in money stole.

Tell me why people who benefit most from our system of government shouldn't pay the most to support it.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-18   0:39:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#6)

Tell me why people who benefit most from our system of government shouldn't pay the most to support it.

This implies that the only way someone can make money is through the "generosity" of the government, and that people can't make it without government.

It's a typical mistake of socialist parasites- they think that because they're sucking off the system, everyone else must be, too.

The reality is that most successful businessmen (and women) succeed, not because of the government, but despite it.

They succeed in the face of outrageously prohibitive regulations, insane labor laws, crippling taxation rates and the whims of local bureaucrats who have nothing better to do than steal from anyone with more than two nickels to rub together.

When businesses DO succeed, they hire more people, spend more on procuring supplies and local services, and in the aggregate, add more to the local economy. Contrast this with any government "services," which are delivered at a net loss, by their very nature.

Thus, your question is based on false logic, and therefore fatally flawed.

Of course, if you knew diddly-shit about economics, you'd recognize the stupidity of your question.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-18   18:37:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric, We The People (#17)

This implies that the only way someone can make money is through the "generosity" of the government, and that people can't make it without government.

No, that's not what it implies.

It's a typical mistake of socialist parasites- they think that because they're sucking off the system, everyone else must be, too.

Libertarians would see it that way, however that doesn't make it true.

The reality is that most successful businessmen (and women) succeed, not because of the government, but despite it.

They succeed in the face of outrageously prohibitive regulations, insane labor laws, crippling taxation rates and the whims of local bureaucrats who have nothing better to do than steal from anyone with more than two nickels to rub together.

When businesses DO succeed, they hire more people, spend more on procuring supplies and local services, and in the aggregate, add more to the local economy. Contrast this with any government "services," which are delivered at a net loss, by their very nature.

Somalia produced neither Steve Jobs, nor Bill Gates. Somalia hasn't even turned out a Rupert Murdoch.

Thus, your question is based on false logic, and therefore fatally flawed.

There is no "thus" about it, your response is itself faulty and illogical.

Of course, if you knew diddly-shit about economics, you'd recognize the stupidity of your question.

Too bad human behavior doesn't conform to your economic theory.

Time to go back to the drawing board.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-18   21:06:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#20)

Too bad human behavior doesn't conform to your economic theory. Time to go back to the drawing board.

Your level of ignorance is... stunning.

You TRULY think you've got a handle on things... and the truth is, you're utterly clueless. ((((shaking head in amazement))))

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-19   11:14:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#24)

Your level of ignorance is... stunning.

... and the truth is, you're utterly clueless. ((((shaking head in amazement))))

Well, of course I don't think so - but then I am smart enough to know that the above is not an argument.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-19   11:35:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#25)

Capitalist Eric: Your level of ignorance is... stunning. ... and the truth is, you're utterly clueless. ((((shaking head in amazement))))

loonybitch: Well, of course I don't think so

Edited for accuracy.

You don't think. Your postings indicate that you'd rather die than think.

but then I am smart enough to know that the above is not an argument.

Thanks for proving my point.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-19   19:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: Capitalist Eric (#39)

loonybitch: Well, of course I don't think

Edited for accuracy.

Your wit is matchless, indeed I am humbled.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-19 20:45:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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