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Title: Expose: The Vatican Wants to Lay its Hands on Jerusalem
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Arutz Sheva
URL Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150757#.TuojyPKRNR8
Published: Dec 15, 2011
Author: Giulio Meottii
Post Date: 2011-12-15 11:45:47 by A K A Stone
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The Vatican is now reiterating demands for control of religious sites in Jerusalem. Jordan's occupation 1948-1967 didn't bother them. “Peace negotiations in the Middle East must tackle the issue of the status of the holy sites of Jerusalem”, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, head of the Vatican’s Council for Interreligious Dialogue, declared several days ago in Rome. The Vatican’s former foreign minister asked to place some Israeli holy places under Vatican authority, alluding to the Cenacle on Mount Zion and the garden of Gethsemane at the foot of the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. The first site also houses what is referred to as King David’s tomb. “There will not be peace if the question of the holy sites is not adequately resolved”, Tauran said. “The part of Jerusalem within the walls – with the holy sites of the three religions – is humanity’s heritage. The sacred and unique character of the area must be safeguarded and it can only be done with a special, internationally-guaranteed statute”. The Israeli government and the Vatican are deadlocked in discussions over the status of the religious sites. Vatican officials are now reiterating their demand for control over the religious sites in the ancient and holy city founded by King David as the capital of ancient Israel and now the capital of the reestablished Jewish state. Danny Ayalon, Israel’s deputy foreign minister, declared that Israel might consider giving the Vatican “a greater role” in operating the sites. In the last weeks, the Roman Catholic Church’s authorities increased their political initiatives for Catholic control over some sites in Jerusalem. The Vatican’s former arcibishop in Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah, just promoted an appeal to the European Union and United States to “stop the Hebraization of Jerusalem”. Two weeks ago Msgr. David-Maria Jaeger, who was recently appointed by Pope Benedict XVI to the Vatican’s highest court, talked in Washington about a current U.S. Supreme Court case over whether an American boy born in Jerusalem should add Israel after the name of the historic city on his U.S. passport. Jaeger said that the question about Jerusalem is not “whether it is the capital of Israel, it is a question of whether it is a part of a national territory”. A few days earlier, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Fouad Twal, gave a speech to greet the bishops of Europe and North America during their annual pilgrimage in Israel, in which Twal denounced “the Israeli right wing invading more and more of Jerusalem and trying to transform it into an only Hebrew-Jewish city, excluding the other faiths”. Claudette Habesch, the Caritas general-secretary in Jerusalem, a Vatican NGO that works in social activities, just released an interview to Zenit news agency, in which he “christianized” the Palestinian Intifada against “what we call the Checkpoint of Humiliation”. In September, Patriarch of Jerusalem Twal was at the White House for a meeting with the American administration as well as to support the PA statehood bid at the UN. Twal repeated Benedict XVI’s speech of May 13, 2009 in the Aida refugee camp in Bethlehem, one of the most political speeches ever pronounced by Ratzinger during his pontificate. It was given in front of the most eloquent symbol of the conflict: the security wall between Israel and the PA areas. On that day the Pope spoke specifically of an “independent Palestinian state”. The Opera Romana Pellegrinaggi, the Vatican’s powerful agency for worldwide pilgrimages, just organized a “marathon for peace” in Jerusalem to protest against the security fence near Bethlehem and to support "Palestinian political rights". The march began on the Mount of Olives, “where the Last Supper took place”. On December 1st, several Christian and Muslim dignitaries met in Beit Sahour for a conference on “How to live together in a future Palestinian state?”. Patriarch Emeritus of Jerusalem Michel Sabbah and Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, also attended the event organized by Al-Liqa, a Vatican ecumenical center based in Bethlehem. Sabbah said that “recourse to the UN for a Palestinian state is a step toward peace”. Last summer, Latin Patriarch Twal took part in a meeting in London with Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury, in which the Vatican envoy denounced the “more than 550.000 Israelis living in East Jerusalem and the West Bank” and “the demography of Jerusalem changing rapidly with the sacred space being threatened”. In 2006, then Israel’s Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, negotiated to give away the “holy basin” to the Vatican. At the time, President Moshe Katzav, in the face of increasing public pressure, was forced to deny any plans to sign away the King David’s complex in Jerusalem. It now appears that this option has once again surfaced. A major voice for the Vatican’s plan is Hanna Siniora, the elder statesman of Palestinian 'peace' activists, whose office is in the Vatican’s Tantur Institute for Ecumenical Studies in Jerusalem. The site known as King David’s Tomb is the major target in the Vatican’s plan. It’s a complex of buildings of some 100,000 square feet where David and Solomon, and kings of Judea, are said to be buried, although this is disputed by historians. The Upper Room, or Cenacle, as it is known, is on the second floor of the Crusader-era building. During his visit to Israel in 2000, Pope John Paul II held Mass there. The Roman Catholic Church has been fighting for more than 450 years to win back control over the sanctuary, which was seized from Franciscan monks during the Ottoman Empire's rule around 1551. The building was granted to the Diaspora Yeshiva over 40 years ago, and yeshiva heads fear that the Vatican wishes to turn it into a pilgrimage site for hundreds of thousands of Catholics and hold religious services there. The Vatican wants Israel relinquishing sovereignty at the Western Wall and the Temple Mount. The Holy See uses the expression “Holy Basin”, which refers to the area of the Temple Mount, the Mount of Olives, Mount Zion and a variety of Christian holy sites which the administration of former U.S. President Bill Clinton began reccomending be administered under a “special regime”. The Obama plan also calls for resolving the two thorniest issues in the conflict by sharing Jerusalem and settling Arab refugees in Arab countries or a future Palestinian state, but not in Israel. According to Obama, the Old City of Jerusalem would be designated an “international zone”. Israel’s President Shimon Peres, who has no authority, also agreed to hand over to the Vatican the sovereignty of the holy sites. Any Vatican claim to a seat at the negotiating table is undermined by the complicity of the Vatican between 1948 and 1967. During the Jordanian occupation, Judaism’s holiest sites were desecrated and Jews were barred from visiting these shrines. The Jordanians built a hotel and a road through the Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives and they used the broken headstones to build the latrines in the construction of the Intercontintental Hotel, which likely rests on burial grounds. As was its practice during the Holocaust under Pius XII, the Vatican then turned a deaf ear to these gross violations of Jewish human rights. If Israel would cede Jewish sovereignty on the holy sites, it would mean returning to a time when Jerusalem was separated by a seven-kilometer wall, barbed wire, minefields and bunkers. A tourist visiting the holy city would have found signs warning “Danger - Frontier ahead!”, “Snipers nearby” and “shetah hahefker”, which in Hebrew means: No-Man’s Land. It would be Sarajevo, not the Holy City of Jerusalem.
Poster Comment: Ozzy Ozbourne "Would you like to see the pope on the end or a rope, do you think he is a fool?" The Catholic church is a cult. Screw the pope.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Don't you read virtually the same Bible?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
So does satan. Satan knows it better then you or I. They call the pope holy father. That is blasphemy. The Bible says only to call God father. They have also removed one of the 10 commandments. They are a cult. Not all Catholics are bad. But they don't pay attention that much to what the Bible really says. The Pope is not Gods representative on earth. Their church wasn't built on Peter.
They call the pope holy father. That is blasphemy. The Bible says only to call God father. They have also removed one of the 10 commandments. They are a cult. Not all Catholics are bad. But they don't pay attention that much to what the Bible really says. The Pope is not Gods representative on earth. Their church wasn't built on Peter. Yet your cult was begat from that cult, that was begat from another cult. I can't think of one Western religion that doesn't qualify as a cult, regarding the cultivation of blind obedience in it's followers.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
I can't think of one Western religion that doesn't qualify as a cult, regarding the cultivation of blind obedience in it's followers. So your position is that if you believe in God and the Bible you are a cult. I comprehend what you say. Thanks for being honest.
Your religion is no different than Catholicism, it demands blind obedience and it uses various ways and means to cultivate it, sort of like recruits in boot camp. I was baptized in one Protestant cult by sprinkling, and then when Mom decided we would rejoining her Baptist roots, they didn't recognize the sprinkles, instead requiring whole body immersion in a tank, this particular ceremony involved many participants. The girl in front of me was on her period, which she told me about later. When I complained to the pastor he told me he had known and that Jesus would understand. I never went back.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
So the pastor said basically that Jesus didn't mind that she was on her period. Well he didn't. It is a natural thing to happen. Maybe the girl in front of you should have told here mom and they would have done it another day. It isn't the pastors fault that she was on her period and may have been embarrassed. Maybe the pastor didn't bring it up because he didn't want to put her on the spot and embarrass her. So he just did his job and didn't make a scene. I think the Bible calls for submersion in water. I'm not positive of that. Regardless no where in the Bible is being baptized required for salvation. Are there churches that misinterpret the Bible. For sure. Some out of mistakes and sometimes out of ignorance and I'm sure to manipulate and control too. But that doesn't make Gods word found in the Bible untrue. Use that as the source of understanding if the church teaches something else.
Actually it is different. There are common things but it isn't the same.
Same experience here, though I didn't sign up for the dunking. Later I went to a church with a pastor who described himself as bi-pastorial - meaning he dedicated, sprinkled, and/or dunked depending on the belief of the congregant saying, "the important thing was the teaching of Jesus Christ and the rest were details not worth fighting over."
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
I am Eastern Orthodox. My two oldest daughters are Eastern Orthodox. My wife and youngest daughter are Catholic. I have some disagreements with the Catholic Church. I have some disagreements with the Lutherans, Anglicans, and other historic protestants. I have many disagreements with American fundamentalists. However, we ALL agree that we are imperfect and that Jesus was the Son of God who died on the cross to pay for our sins. Who doesn't believe this? Jews (and other non-Christians). I find it completely absurd that American fundamentalists have allied themselves with people who rejected Jesus... in opposition to their fellow Christians.
I was forced to go to Mass and Catechism until I did confirmation, and that is a new one on me. Which one is that? And the Pope's title of 'father' is used the same way as it is for a priest, and is just a personal title much like Dr, Miss, Mr, etc. He is called "Pontiff", which technically refers to a Bishop, but is now used just for the Pope. "Roman Pontiff" is not tautological, but means "Bishop of Rome." So, I wouldn't be so hard on Catholics unless you get their explanation and see if perhaps you misunderstand something.
Hi Mike. I'll get back to you on that a little later tonight.
I was forced to go to Mass and Catechism until I did confirmation, and that is a new one on me. Which one is that? There are two places in the Bible that have the 10 Commandments -- Exodus 20:1– 17 and Deuteronomy 5:4–21. Neither book has 10 of them. There are three historical divisions of the Commandments into ten parts: The Philonic division is the oldest, from the writings of Philo and Josephus (first century), which labels verse 3 as number 1, verses 4–6 as number 2, and so on. Groups that generally follow this scheme include Hellenistic Jews, Greek Orthodox and Protestants except Lutherans. Most representations of the commandments include the prologue of verse 2 as either part of the first commandment or as a preface. The Talmudic division, from the third century Jewish Talmud, makes verses 1–2 as the first "saying" or "declaration" (rather than "commandment"), and combines verses 3–6 as number 2.[15] The Augustinian division (fifth century) starts with number 2 of the Talmudic division, and makes an extra commandment by dividing the prohibition on coveting into two. Both Roman Catholics and Martin Luther adopted the Augustinian method. Roman Catholics use Deuteronomy by default when quoting the Ten Commandments whereas Luther used the Exodus version.[16]
Thanks for the info.
I fully agree with this. Because whatever intramural disagreements exist between Catholics and other Christians, their is zero doubt in my mind that Roman Catholics are very much as Christian as any Protestant sect.
The Old Testament is full of the fire and brimstone that Fundies have historically relied upon to keep their under educated and often illiterate base in tow. How else could they be fleeced at those revival meetings by the religious equivalent of carnival barkers.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
They need the Jews in Israel (restoration) to rebuild the temple to pave the way for Jesus's return to earth.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
Many Americans are following a perverted form of Christianity called dispensationalism that was concocted by an Englishman (John Darby) in the 19th century. It spread through America on the back of the Pentecostal movement in the early 20th century. It was later adopted by Baptists and other protestant sects.
And these cultist kooks mock the muslims with their '72 virgins' fairytale... ;)
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Hey, that's different.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
Yeah it is a whole lot different. One group is awaiting the rebuilding of their temple to worship their God. The other side is thinking about screwing 72 virgins. Aren't muslims supporters of marriage? Why would they be allowed to screw a bunch of virgins? To equate the two as equal is the sign of an idiot.
How many wives did David have?
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
Do tell. The difference is that the Bible doesn't condone it the Koran does. It doesn't condone it after the point that the seed was spread.
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and fthy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. Estimates range from 8 to 22 wives as well as concubines. The Bible records 700 wives for Solomon and 300 concubines. (72 virgnis sounds rather modest by comparison)
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
The Catholic church is a cult. Screw the pope.
#2. To: mininggold (#1)
Don't you read virtually the same Bible?
#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)
So does satan. Satan knows it better then you or I.
#4. To: mininggold (#3)
Yet your cult was begat from that cult, that was begat from another cult.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
So your position is that if you believe in God and the Bible you are a cult. I comprehend what you say. Thanks for being honest.
#6. To: mininggold (#5)
When I complained to the pastor he told me he had known and that Jesus would understand. I never went back.
#7. To: mininggold (#5)
Your religion is no different than Catholicism,
#8. To: mininggold (#5)
I was baptized in one Protestant cult by sprinkling, and then when Mom decided we would rejoining her Baptist roots, they didn't recognize the sprinkles, instead requiring whole body immersion in a tank...
#9. To: A K A Stone (#0)
(Edited)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#2)
(Edited)
"They have also removed one of the 10 commandments."
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
"They have also removed one of the 10 commandments."
#13. To: jwpegler (#12)
#14. To: jwpegler (#9)
"I find it completely absurd that American fundamentalists have allied themselves with people who rejected Jesus... in opposition to their fellow Christians."
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
I fully agree with this. Because whatever intramural disagreements exist between Catholics and other Christians, their is zero doubt in my mind that Roman Catholics are very much as Christian as any Protestant sect.
#16. To: jwpegler (#9)
I find it completely absurd that American fundamentalists have allied themselves with people who rejected Jesus... in opposition to their fellow Christians.
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
I fully agree with this. Because whatever intramural disagreements exist between Catholics and other Christians, their is zero doubt in my mind that Roman Catholics are very much as Christian as any Protestant sect.
#18. To: lucysmom (#16)
They need the Jews in Israel (restoration) to rebuild the temple to pave the way for Jesus's return to earth.
#19. To: Brian S (#18)
And these cultist kooks mock the muslims with their '72 virgins' fairytale... ;)
#20. To: lucysmom, Brian S (#19)
Hey, that's different.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Aren't muslims supporters of marriage? Why would they be allowed to screw a bunch of virgins?
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
How many wives did David have?
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Do tell.
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