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Title: Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'
Source: cnsnews.com
URL Source: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hil ... cting-human-rights-lgbt-people
Published: Dec 9, 2011
Author: Patrick Goodenough and Susan Jones
Post Date: 2011-12-09 18:21:56 by CZ82
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Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'

By Patrick Goodenough and Susan Jones

CNSNews.com) - Religious beliefs and cultural values do not justify the failure to uphold the human rights of homosexuals, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the United Nations in Geneva on Tuesday.

"Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs," Clinton said.

Her speech at the Geneva headquarters of the United Nations and its Human Rights Council (HRC) was delivered ahead of Human Rights Day on December 10, the anniversary of the U.N.’s adoption in 1948 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

With Syrian abuses having been at the forefront of the Human Rights Council’s attention in recent days and weeks, Clinton’s focus on “LGBT rights” was unexpected, even after President Obama’s signing earlier in the day of a memorandum which the White House called the “first-ever U.S. government strategy dedicated to combating human rights abuses against LGBT persons abroad.”

Clinton said recognition that LGBT people "are entitled to the full measure of dignity and rights" has evolved over time: "And as it did, we understood that we were honoring rights that people always had, rather than creating new or special rights for them. Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights."

Clinton noted that among the challenges facing LGBT people is "when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. This is not unlike the justification offered for violent practices towards women like honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation. Some people still defend those practices as part of a cultural tradition. But violence toward women isn't cultural; it's criminal. Likewise with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights," she said.

"In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us. And this holds true for inflicting violence on LGBT people, criminalizing their status or behavior, expelling them from their families and communities, or tacitly or explicitly accepting their killing.

"Rarely are cultural and religious traditions and teachings actually in conflict with the protection of human rights," Clinton continued. "Indeed, our religion and our culture are sources of compassion and inspiration toward our fellow human beings. It was not only those who’ve justified slavery who leaned on religion, it was also those who sought to abolish it. And let us keep in mind that our commitments to protect the freedom of religion and to defend the dignity of LGBT people emanate from a common source.

“For many of us, religious belief and practice is a vital source of meaning and identity, and fundamental to who we are as people. And likewise, for most of us, the bonds of love and family that we forge are also vital sources of meaning and identity. And caring for others is an expression of what it means to be fully human. It is because the human experience is universal that human rights are universal and cut across all religions and cultures."

According to the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, homosexual acts are punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen, as well as in parts of Nigeria under shari’a law.

Countries whose laws allow for imprisonment of 10 years or more for homosexuality include Libya, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Papua New Guinea and Guyana, it says.

A number of other countries have penalties of prison terms of less than ten years, fines or other restrictions.

‘At war with people of faith’

During a background briefing in Geneva, a senior State Department official was asked about the administration’s view on same-sex marriage in the context of its new policy of promoting LGBT rights worldwide.

President Obama and Clinton have both stated publicly that they oppose same-sex marriage.

“I think the secretary and the president have both spoken about their personal views on marriage,” the official replied. “And I think that one of the things that comes up a lot in the international context is that, as in America, elsewhere there’s a ongoing debate about gay marriage.

“But whatever our position on gay marriage, I think one of the things that many of us have been working toward finding an agreement on is the fact that no matter what you think about that question, we can all agree that people ought not be killed or imprisoned for who they are and who they love,” the official said.

Republican presidential candidates Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Sen. Rick Santorum both criticized the administration’s LGBT announcements.

“Promoting special rights for gays in foreign countries is not in America’s interests and not worth a dime of taxpayers’ money,” Perry said in a statement, adding that the policy was “just the most recent example of an administration at war with people of faith in this country.”

“Obviously the administration is promoting their particular agenda in this country, and now they feel its their obligation to promote those values not just in the military, not just in our society, but now around the world with taxpayer dollars,” CNN quoted Santorum as telling reporters in Iowa

He said Obama must make his stance on same-sex marriage clear.

“He said he’s for traditional marriage, and now he’s promoting gay lifestyles and gay rights and he’s fighting against traditional marriage within the courts, and I think he needs to be honest,” Santorum said.

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#4. To: CZ82 (#0)

Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'

I hate it when I have to say that Bubbette! is right about something.

ALL US citizens have the same exact rights. Period.

This also means that LGBT citizens or any other special interest group have any special rights the rest of us don't have,either.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   6:48:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#4)

ALL US citizens have the same exact rights. Period.

This also means that LGBT citizens or any other special interest group have any special rights the rest of us don't have,either.

Why, even though homosexuals and criminals both exhibit deviant behavior, is one is allowed to roam the streets freely and the other is prosecuted and locked up in jail?????

Sounds like special rights to me!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-12-10   12:56:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CZ82 (#10)

Why, even though homosexuals and criminals both exhibit deviant behavior, is one is allowed to roam the streets freely and the other is prosecuted and locked up in jail?????

Sounds like special rights to me!!!

Then you are a idiot,because it's not a crime to be a homosexual.

BTW,heterosexuals and criminals both exhibit deviant behavior,so why why is one allowed to roam the streets freely and the other is prosecuted and locked up in jail?

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   13:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#11)

Then you are a idiot,because it's not a crime to be a homosexual.

It most certainly is a crime. It is a crime against nature.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-10   13:18:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, lucysmom, war, all (#12)

"It most certainly is a crime. It is a crime against nature."

Not at all. It is human nature to socialize in the full spectrum of being a species of animal on planet Earth or any other place life has evloved creatures like us.

Many other species of mammals have a demographic group that find the same gender to be what 'fires their rocket,' not just humans.

No one should denigrate or hate people who bond with other people to the point of developing a sexual relationship. And research has only proved that the preference is an imprint -- similar to the way some baby animals imprint on the first thing they see as their Mom, and is in no way a mere preference one is 'recruited' into.

Many heterosexual men and women have experimented with same gender sexual contact and naturally moved on from what was not inherent to their nature, much as have homosexual men and women who then realize that the opposite gender is not the wire that sends electricity to their spark plug.

Research shows too that homosexual men and women are just as well rounded in social adjustment and functionality in normal human life as those who are heterosexual. The sexual preference imprinted on them is no more a crime against nature then someone having blue eye instead of brown.

The permanent roadblock to your particular brand of bigotry and lack of empathy for others is that a great deal of impartial research has been done and very well vetted, and is taken to task only by material written with an agenda to propagandize.

No research done well and properly with no conclusion already reached has ever backed up your bias against homosexuals.

Bigotry has caused loss of self esteem and caused enclaves to form as people will do when being tasked by hate and intolerance. For example, studies showing many African-American girls preferring White dolls to Black are reflecting a loss of self esteem they pick up from popular culture which is still working out the residue of the deem engram of racism long embedded in our culture.

Like them, some gays and lesbians have been victims of self hatred much as Blacks have. If there had never been the culture of hatred and intolerance we are successfully fighting now, this would not be a controversy, and no one would be worrying about the fact that some human beings by nature prefer to sexually bond with people of the same gender as themselves.

There is absolutely no reason to go into the bedroom of two consenting adults and criticize their relationship. You often do with the argument that same gender sex does not create progeny. But this is a red herring of an argument as many people can't have kids because of age or medical conditions preventing this. It ignores the fact that many homosexuals who let culture force them into the straitjacket of a relationship with the gender that is a dead end because their true passions do not reside there have kids, and homosexual couples who meet the same criteria as heterosexual couples for adoption are just as nurturing and loving a choice to place children with who are up for adoption or to do foster care.

A very dear friend of mine, Gretchen Miller who was on the City Council has raised five kids with her partner, and all five are successful in life, well adjusted, and all five turned out to be very heterosexual in nature.

In essence, the facts are seriously and systemically against you, and we will get past this era of hatred and intolerance of people with no basis in fact or justification eventually. And this evolution toward an upholding of truth and undeniable reality frustrates and angers you to no end.

It comes down in a nutshell that the problem is provably with you and others ensconced into the culture of bigotry and hate, not with very functional and well adjusted people who just want to be left alone to live their own lives in peace and without undue stigma thrown at them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-10   14:45:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

And research has only proved that the preference is an imprint

You have a link for that normaphobe?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-10   15:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Do you want a link to the APA? If you go to their site, the research is easy to find. You know how to surf the 'net I am sure.

Go and try to find impartial, well vetted research proving your point of view. All you can find is stuff written with an opinion already in mind in the Internet or anywhere else.

http://www.apa.org/

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-10   15:58:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Research this phobe.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-10   16:00:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#21)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You call the Old Testament a scientific answer?

Do NOT try to inflict your religious beliefs on ME! I am a free man and a free citizen,and your superstitions do not rule MY life.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   18:22:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#31)

Do NOT try to inflict your religious beliefs on ME!

If you want to lie with a man. Then by all means do so. Don't try to change the meaning of words "marriage" to suck up to some sex perverts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-10   18:41:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#36)

If you want to lie with a man. Then by all means do so.

Thanks,but I will pass on that one. I am 100% heterosexual.

Don't try to change the meaning of words "marriage" to suck up to some sex perverts.

People like you are the perverts because you think you have some special dispensation from Gawd to tell other adults what kind of sex they can have and who they MUST have it with. The ultimate personal choice,and yet people like you call yourself conservatives while demanding the force of government control this VERY individual freedom.

And I'm not sucking up to anybody. YOU are. You are sucking up to the blind and stupid religious bigots and going against individual freedoms. What *I* am doing is standing up for the US Constitution.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   23:38:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#43)

you call yourself conservatives

Yes. What conserve the true meaning of the word.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-11   9:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#48)

you call yourself conservatives

Yes.

You're not a traditional conservative. You are a statist,and an excellent example of the type of person the people who founded this country left Europe to avoid.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-11   9:24:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: sneakypete (#49)

You're not a traditional conservative. You are a statist,and an excellent example of the type of person the people who founded this country left Europe to avoid.

Which people left Europe to promote faggots? None. The people who left Europe weren't atheists as you are. They were christians like me. They were more radical then I am. They burnt witches and probably deviants too.

Me a statist lol that is rich.

It is you who would use the power of the state to change the meaning of words.

Maybe they can change the meaning of years also so a president can stay forever.

Pete you are out to lunch on this topic. You should sit back and reflect on your position. It is the same position of the usurper Obama. You sit with Jessie Jackass on this one. Does it feel good to keep the company of Michale Moron and Rosie the Donut Odonnell? Do you watch reruns of the elan the degenerate show?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-11   9:41:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#50)

Which people left Europe to promote faggots? None.

You are a little obsessed with faggots,ain't ya? Are there any other groups of Americans you think the government has the right to deny rights because you don't like them?

The people who left Europe weren't atheists as you are.

I'm not a atheist,and you have no freaking idea what the people who left Europe were if you don't think there were atheists included in that mix. After all,NOT being religious was a crime in Europe at that time.

They were christians like me.

Some were. Cults are nothing new.

They were more radical then I am. They burnt witches and probably deviants too.

Those were the bad ones that formed the government in Mass,and I have no doubt whatsoever you would have homosexuals burnt at the stake if you could do it without getting into trouble.

BTW,what kind of Christian are you that doesn't think we were all created in Gods image?

Or are you saying God make a mistake when he created homosexuals?

Me a statist lol that is rich.

What's rich is you denying it while screaming for more government control at the same time.

You should sit back and reflect on your position. It is the same position of the usurper Obama. You sit with Jessie Jackass on this one. Does it feel good to keep the company of Michale Moron and Rosie the Donut Odonnell? Do you watch reruns of the elan the degenerate show?

Wrong once again.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-11   19:49:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#54)

BTW,what kind of Christian are you that doesn't think we were all created in Gods image?

Or are you saying God make a mistake when he created homosexuals?

That's dumb. It is a choice.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-11   19:57:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#57)

"That's dumb. It is a choice."

What is dumb is you prefer your hate and distortions to an acceptance of well researched studies that show otherwise.

There is a very good reason there is no lasting success in the small number of men who try to work conversion programs that has a political and religious basis to ignore what research has shown about homosexuality. If this were possible, the percentage of gay men who wish they were heterosexual just because it would make their life easier in a culture with may haters like you would be non-existent as they would just switch to relationships with woman.

It is impossible to turn heterosexual men into homosexual ones and visa versa. The sexual drive of humans is a very strong one and impossible to ignore, as is the desire for the sort of partner that excites and stirs the compulsion to seek the sort of partner that 'fires one's rocket.'

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-11   20:13:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ferret Mike (#58)

"That's dumb. It is a choice."

What is dumb is you prefer your hate and distortions to an acceptance of well researched studies that show otherwise.

Mike you are a moron. Ok. You hate faggots. If you didn't' you would let them know it is destructive. You're pathetic.

If you want to do dudes go ahead. I don't give a shit. Your words are the words of a fool. I didn't even read them all. They are a waste of time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-11   20:17:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)

You just admitted you are a closed minded fool and bigot that does not engage in lively discussion or debate because you are so self important and self centered you think only your opinions and beliefs count.

Hey, if you want to do dudes and feel guilty because you do, go ahead. because it is just as likely you are lying about your sexual preference as anyone else.

Your childish insults don't bother me. They just show how petty and small minded you are, and how immature a man child you grew into.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-11   20:22:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Ferret Mike (#60)

You just admitted you are a closed minded

I'm not going to sit here with you and argue with you that two plus two equals five. Mike I already know it equals 4.

Example. You said there is research that says people are born faggots. But you don't post that research. I don't care much about faggots or your fag culture. I just know if your people try to influence my kids. They will end up blood red.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-11   20:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#62. To: A K A Stone (#61)

The research is far too extensive and big a body of work to post more then links and excerpts. And you just said you wouldn't read it anyway, because you arrogantly think you are always right.

Who you go to bed with your 'daddy' of a top tonight, he should give you a good spanking before he plows you for your insulting ways and potty mouth mind.

Don't like it much when your shit gets dished back to you, do you?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-11 20:33:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#61)

I just know if your people try to influence my kids. They will end up blood red.

If you REALLY believe that homosexuality is something that can be learned or taught,you MUST think YOU could "catch it". Which would go a long ways towards explaining your fear and hatred of homosexuals.

Guess what? The ONLY people who have a choice when it comes to their sexuality are bi-sexuals. And even they don't have a choice in one sense because they were born to be that way.

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