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Title: Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'
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Published: Dec 9, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-12-09 18:21:56 by CZ82
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Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People' By Patrick Goodenough and Susan Jones CNSNews.com) - Religious beliefs and cultural values do not justify the failure to uphold the human rights of homosexuals, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the United Nations in Geneva on Tuesday. "Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs," Clinton said. Her speech at the Geneva headquarters of the United Nations and its Human Rights Council (HRC) was delivered ahead of Human Rights Day on December 10, the anniversary of the U.N.’s adoption in 1948 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. With Syrian abuses having been at the forefront of the Human Rights Council’s attention in recent days and weeks, Clinton’s focus on “LGBT rights” was unexpected, even after President Obama’s signing earlier in the day of a memorandum which the White House called the “first-ever U.S. government strategy dedicated to combating human rights abuses against LGBT persons abroad.” Clinton said recognition that LGBT people "are entitled to the full measure of dignity and rights" has evolved over time: "And as it did, we understood that we were honoring rights that people always had, rather than creating new or special rights for them. Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights." Clinton noted that among the challenges facing LGBT people is "when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. This is not unlike the justification offered for violent practices towards women like honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation. Some people still defend those practices as part of a cultural tradition. But violence toward women isn't cultural; it's criminal. Likewise with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights," she said. "In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us. And this holds true for inflicting violence on LGBT people, criminalizing their status or behavior, expelling them from their families and communities, or tacitly or explicitly accepting their killing. "Rarely are cultural and religious traditions and teachings actually in conflict with the protection of human rights," Clinton continued. "Indeed, our religion and our culture are sources of compassion and inspiration toward our fellow human beings. It was not only those who’ve justified slavery who leaned on religion, it was also those who sought to abolish it. And let us keep in mind that our commitments to protect the freedom of religion and to defend the dignity of LGBT people emanate from a common source. “For many of us, religious belief and practice is a vital source of meaning and identity, and fundamental to who we are as people. And likewise, for most of us, the bonds of love and family that we forge are also vital sources of meaning and identity. And caring for others is an expression of what it means to be fully human. It is because the human experience is universal that human rights are universal and cut across all religions and cultures." According to the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, homosexual acts are punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen, as well as in parts of Nigeria under shari’a law. Countries whose laws allow for imprisonment of 10 years or more for homosexuality include Libya, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Papua New Guinea and Guyana, it says. A number of other countries have penalties of prison terms of less than ten years, fines or other restrictions. ‘At war with people of faith’ During a background briefing in Geneva, a senior State Department official was asked about the administration’s view on same-sex marriage in the context of its new policy of promoting LGBT rights worldwide. President Obama and Clinton have both stated publicly that they oppose same-sex marriage. “I think the secretary and the president have both spoken about their personal views on marriage,” the official replied. “And I think that one of the things that comes up a lot in the international context is that, as in America, elsewhere there’s a ongoing debate about gay marriage. “But whatever our position on gay marriage, I think one of the things that many of us have been working toward finding an agreement on is the fact that no matter what you think about that question, we can all agree that people ought not be killed or imprisoned for who they are and who they love,” the official said. Republican presidential candidates Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Sen. Rick Santorum both criticized the administration’s LGBT announcements. “Promoting special rights for gays in foreign countries is not in America’s interests and not worth a dime of taxpayers’ money,” Perry said in a statement, adding that the policy was “just the most recent example of an administration at war with people of faith in this country.” “Obviously the administration is promoting their particular agenda in this country, and now they feel its their obligation to promote those values not just in the military, not just in our society, but now around the world with taxpayer dollars,” CNN quoted Santorum as telling reporters in Iowa He said Obama must make his stance on same-sex marriage clear. “He said he’s for traditional marriage, and now he’s promoting gay lifestyles and gay rights and he’s fighting against traditional marriage within the courts, and I think he needs to be honest,” Santorum said.
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#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)
It is an irony that people who don't like homosexuals often sneer how promiscuous they allegedly are, but then they try to deny them the same contractual protection that offers the stability to make monogamy work. Marriage is meant to protect monogamy and is a contract that has ties to work and other benefits such as being able to visit one's partner in a hospital without being interfered with. I want to see the process of making marriage contracts to be fair and available to everyone whatever gender they are because monogamy has many benefits. And having equal protection under the law to be married is good for everyone, including heterosexual couples. When you separate the desire to try to punish homosexuals by denying then the right to marry, you hurt the concpt of equal protection under the law. I would point out too that the survival rte of heterosexual marriages is not very good in these modern times. It would be nice to see people working to strenthen and protect the institution of marriage. Time and energy going after the rights of homosexuals to marry would be better spent doing that. Attacking any part of that contractual relationship hurts the concept of marriage at large.
Lousy singer. I don't see the point of the link.
Actually neither is a crime. Except the crime against nature thing. Ok,I'll give you 50 percent credit on this one because it all depends on how deviancy is being defined. For example,a child molester is a deviant,and is most definitely a criminal. Some people may consider heterosexual sex in any position other than the missionary position to be deviant,but that is not illegal.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Thanks,but I will pass on that one. I am 100% heterosexual. Don't try to change the meaning of words "marriage" to suck up to some sex perverts. People like you are the perverts because you think you have some special dispensation from Gawd to tell other adults what kind of sex they can have and who they MUST have it with. The ultimate personal choice,and yet people like you call yourself conservatives while demanding the force of government control this VERY individual freedom. And I'm not sucking up to anybody. YOU are. You are sucking up to the blind and stupid religious bigots and going against individual freedoms. What *I* am doing is standing up for the US Constitution.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
And you and others have been taught that using a 2000 year old superstitious belief set to use the force of government to control the sex lives on adults is a virtue. Want to tell us again about what a little limited government pro-freedom conservative you are?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That doesn't seem to keep your pals on the left from trying,though. "Hate Crimes" are a perfect example. Look at this behavior some engage in that is hate based concerning homosexuals. So what? Do you suggest regulating hate? Hate is THOUGHT. Many kids are harmed when they get picked on by their peers using accusations of being gay based on no fact but the perception they are more effeminate or small and skinny enough to make it hard for them to stop anyone from picking on them. So what? Kids are mean to each other,and always have been since the dawn of history. Life ain't fair. Never has been,never will be. Learning to suck it up and move forward is what makes you an adult. It teaches the valuable life lesson that most people WILL be shitheads if given a chance,and that most people have no more character than they have to have to keep from getting the snot beaten out of them. Learning this to be true as a kid gives you an advantage over the kids that grow up in Marry Poppins land. I was little as a kid and as an adult,plus I had to work under the handicap of having a mild case of polio when I was in the 3rd grade and had to learn how to walk and run all over again. The walking wasn't too tough,but learning how to run was a brass-plated bitch. Still,I learned at a early age that drawing blood from the people screwing with you was the surest way in the world to make them stop. After all,bullies don't really want to actually fight. They just want to bully somebody and maybe beat up people that won't fight back. People that fight back using baseball bats scare the hell out of them. You only have to do that just once,and ALL the bullies will leave you the hell alone. School officials, parents and others have a duty to interdict and end such behavior. I partially agree with this. They even have an obligation to stop it when they see it,but they don't always see it. Because of this the kid needs to learn to take care of him or herself,or to learn some other way to cope with bullies. Maybe humor,maybe hiding. Maybe running away. Whatever works for them that they can live with. Running away wasn't a option for me as a kid,so I did what I had to do and could do. The main thing they need to learn is the world is not your mama,and that you need to learn how to take care of yourself. I won't put up with it when I see this sort of bullying, Believe it or not,most of the fights I got into in my life happened when I stepped in to try and get a bully to leave someone alone they were picking on. A lot of times these bullies thought they were obligated to try and pick on me because they had a image to protect and people were watching. They looked at my height and confused me with someone that doesn't have a temper. They did learn a valuable lesson out of this,though. That lesson was to NEVER try to pick on a adrenaline junkie. I am NOT claiming I am some sort of Bruce Less badass. I'm not. I'm just somebody that doesn't really give a damn. Once the first blow is passed,I'm in the game until it ends. That's just the way I am. I can't help myself.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Thought you might like to look at this Eugene Oregon Register Guard special on local men who are still with us and Pearl Harbor survivors. I enjoyed it.
Thanks. What was that other link you wanted me to look at a few days ago? I didn't have the time to check it right then,and then I forgot about it.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yes. What conserve the true meaning of the word.
Yes. You're not a traditional conservative. You are a statist,and an excellent example of the type of person the people who founded this country left Europe to avoid.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Which people left Europe to promote faggots? None. The people who left Europe weren't atheists as you are. They were christians like me. They were more radical then I am. They burnt witches and probably deviants too. Me a statist lol that is rich. It is you who would use the power of the state to change the meaning of words. Maybe they can change the meaning of years also so a president can stay forever. Pete you are out to lunch on this topic. You should sit back and reflect on your position. It is the same position of the usurper Obama. You sit with Jessie Jackass on this one. Does it feel good to keep the company of Michale Moron and Rosie the Donut Odonnell? Do you watch reruns of the elan the degenerate show?
Stone , I agree with you 100% on this. The Pilgrims would have put homos to death...Christmas was even outlawed as a pagan holiday...which it is. While I firmly believe what 2 people do in the privacy of their own home is their business, the "gay" agenda is one of recruitment, especially the young. It is a filthy, disease ridden lifestyle and the average "gay" man dies 27 years below average due this...yet this is the lifestyle being promoted as "enlightened" to our children. The gays don't want tolerance, they want to radically change the way it is accepted...it's the new cool, and anyone that doesn't agree is a knuckle draggier that needs to be jailed for intolerance. We, as a society, don't accept bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia or incest. I, also am am Christian...but I fall down on the side of freedom almost every time...I don't believe in abortion because it's killing an innocent person...I do believe prostitution and drugs should be legal because, again, what consenting adults do is their own business. If 2 guys want to bugger each other it's their business, but they don't need to be teachers, scout leaders or foster parents...they need to go back in the closet and STOP trying to force it down everyone's throat as "normal"...it isn't, if it were they could reproduce and make more of their own...it's against EVERYTHING in nature. The feminizing of the male culture has gotten us where we are.
Even crack, heroin and meth? I disagree with that. Maybe weed.
LOL! True. Still is in some States.
You are a little obsessed with faggots,ain't ya? Are there any other groups of Americans you think the government has the right to deny rights because you don't like them? The people who left Europe weren't atheists as you are. I'm not a atheist,and you have no freaking idea what the people who left Europe were if you don't think there were atheists included in that mix. After all,NOT being religious was a crime in Europe at that time. They were christians like me. Some were. Cults are nothing new. They were more radical then I am. They burnt witches and probably deviants too. Those were the bad ones that formed the government in Mass,and I have no doubt whatsoever you would have homosexuals burnt at the stake if you could do it without getting into trouble. BTW,what kind of Christian are you that doesn't think we were all created in Gods image? Or are you saying God make a mistake when he created homosexuals? Me a statist lol that is rich. What's rich is you denying it while screaming for more government control at the same time. You should sit back and reflect on your position. It is the same position of the usurper Obama. You sit with Jessie Jackass on this one. Does it feel good to keep the company of Michale Moron and Rosie the Donut Odonnell? Do you watch reruns of the elan the degenerate show? Wrong once again.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I didn't start the thread. I just respond. I don't think the government should take away anyone's rights. Why do you think you should be allowed to join the girl scouts and go in the womans bathroom?
And how do Muslims,as per your description,differ from Catholic priests and how they are dealt with by the "Holy" See? As a recovering Catholic, I'm not one to defend holy mother church. However I do think the Holy See offers more due process to the accused.
A movie about the losing VP candidate is called "The Undefeated"?
Or are you saying God make a mistake when he created homosexuals? That's dumb. It is a choice.
What is dumb is you prefer your hate and distortions to an acceptance of well researched studies that show otherwise. There is a very good reason there is no lasting success in the small number of men who try to work conversion programs that has a political and religious basis to ignore what research has shown about homosexuality. If this were possible, the percentage of gay men who wish they were heterosexual just because it would make their life easier in a culture with may haters like you would be non-existent as they would just switch to relationships with woman. It is impossible to turn heterosexual men into homosexual ones and visa versa. The sexual drive of humans is a very strong one and impossible to ignore, as is the desire for the sort of partner that excites and stirs the compulsion to seek the sort of partner that 'fires one's rocket.'
What is dumb is you prefer your hate and distortions to an acceptance of well researched studies that show otherwise. Mike you are a moron. Ok. You hate faggots. If you didn't' you would let them know it is destructive. You're pathetic. If you want to do dudes go ahead. I don't give a shit. Your words are the words of a fool. I didn't even read them all. They are a waste of time.
You just admitted you are a closed minded fool and bigot that does not engage in lively discussion or debate because you are so self important and self centered you think only your opinions and beliefs count. Hey, if you want to do dudes and feel guilty because you do, go ahead. because it is just as likely you are lying about your sexual preference as anyone else. Your childish insults don't bother me. They just show how petty and small minded you are, and how immature a man child you grew into.
I'm not going to sit here with you and argue with you that two plus two equals five. Mike I already know it equals 4. Example. You said there is research that says people are born faggots. But you don't post that research. I don't care much about faggots or your fag culture. I just know if your people try to influence my kids. They will end up blood red.
The research is far too extensive and big a body of work to post more then links and excerpts. And you just said you wouldn't read it anyway, because you arrogantly think you are always right. Who you go to bed with your 'daddy' of a top tonight, he should give you a good spanking before he plows you for your insulting ways and potty mouth mind. Don't like it much when your shit gets dished back to you, do you?
You didn't read shit Mike. You are just parroting some fudge packers.
You are the one who says he is too narrow minded to read anything but what you want. The APA site and other places the research that got homosexuality removed from it's stigma as an affliction is very easy to find, even you could do it. Unlike you I have a college education and have read a wealth of things. Is that what you call your top; your hunk of a fudge packer? Your idea of rebuttal is a very childish resort to insult and innuendo. To you a forum is not a place for you to learn and develop concepts and ideas, it is a place where you can impose your narrow minded and ridiculous view on things like the light from stars and galaxies millions of billions of years away was created six thousand years ago in the way to Earth, and other lame, circular logic invented in vain to try to make unworkable theories work. As I said, I am as gay as you are, unless you are really gay that is. ROTFLOL!
Sometimes it is just easier to say you are a dumb ass. That way I waste less time.
And the two brain cells that call your thick skull home don't have to work too hard as well. Besides, everything you ever wanted to learn about insults you learned in second grade, such as the calling others DAs. I mean, if you had to write it on your hand to remember what to say when you insult, what good is it?
If you REALLY believe that homosexuality is something that can be learned or taught,you MUST think YOU could "catch it". Which would go a long ways towards explaining your fear and hatred of homosexuals. Guess what? The ONLY people who have a choice when it comes to their sexuality are bi-sexuals. And even they don't have a choice in one sense because they were born to be that way.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
If people are born that way. They can be cured of their mental condition. And you are full of shit.
In other words, much as the Catholic Church used the hard to disprove charge of witchcraft in the 1500s to murder about 50,000 people in an inquisition to eliminate 'heretics,' anyone born imprinted sexually with sexual desire for same sex partners should be made to undergo re-education and conditioning to change their natural desire to be more likely to resemble your sexual desires. Fake therapy, imprisonment, re-education camps and murder have always been the choice of people like you who want the world to bend to your view of things. It is people like you who are the problem, not people with a sexual preference for others who have the same preference. Homosexuality is something that has always been part of the human condition and always will. As has intolerant and hateful people who can't stand it when people are different than they are. Of course the next step from your mindset is to kill anyone who is homosexual like the German Nazis did. Homosexuality was something that would get you killed in Nazi occupied Europe just as dead as being Jewish. And it's not hard to imagine someone like you who tries to manipulate others and myself to your point of view with false claims we must be homo if we hate oppression of homosexuals is not far from supporting the Nazi's final solution method of curing homosexuality.
Mike your effort here is obviously to recruit kids for faggots. Cut it out. No more faggot propaganda.
More baiting. You can't stand the heat of the truth. No one recruits anyone to be homosexual, especially in a low volume forum like this one. Not to mention that there is no such thing as recruiting people to be other then they actually are in terms of their sexual preference. You just hate it when I touch a nerve by getting too close to the truth of things. You are afraid to answer my post, so you make vague and derogatory charges to try to mock and belittle. I will not stop speaking the truth. And you are afraid of it.
And you are full of shit. No,you are. Your religious biases are blinding you to reality. AND...do you think YOU can be "cured of heterosexuality" if the homos take over the world? Just how many rights are you willing to "allow" American citizens who are homosexuals to have? Can they vote? Drive cars? Have CCW permits? Own property?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Didn't a former Divinity Student that studied to be a priest named Stalin try that in the Soviet Union? Homosexuality was declared to be a mental illness,and homos were sent off to mental institutions. I don't seem to remember any reports of that ending homosexuality in the old Soviet Union. Hitler and his boys had a similar approach in Nazi Germany,but they didn't send them to mental institutions there. They sent them to the labor camps. But cheer up,Stone. The good news is this means your thoughts are mainstream in some societies! Fake therapy, Really,is there any other kind of mental therapy that fake therapy that keeps the patients drugged into submission? Name ONE mental disease the shirks have ever cured. if we hate oppression of homosexuals is not far from supporting the Nazi's final solution method of curing homosexuality. HEY! Let's not forget the Darlings of the Left,the Soviets and Chinese in this mix!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You really do believe people can be talked into becoming homosexuals,don't you?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
People will ONLY do things against their nature if they are forced to do so.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You know pete, I remember quite well being a child who loathed Black or fat people. As I grew older though I started reading and listening to the world around me in the 1960s and came to realize I was mirroring my Mother's bigotry and started the long healing process from that affliction she gave me. And believe me, this caused some real nasty fights with her. I also experienced the sort of fear, hatred and loathing infecting Stone and others in here when I was I my late teens and early twenties. But I came to realize that was insecurities I developed when I had been bullied in high school by a couple of wanks who liked to use the gay epithet form of belittlement and harassment on people they targeted to bully. Here again I learned it was them, not gays and lesbians who had the problem and I healed from the effect of that bigotry. May those here who suffer the same disease of irrational hatred and bigotry be as fortunate in this regard as I have been. They have my deepest sympathy. No one should have to suffer from such a deeply toxic disease of the spirit.
So pedophiles are forced to do it. Either that or they were born that way and we should celebrate it. That is according to you and your parroting of the democrats fag talking points. I heard something about impossible to reason .....
There is no comparison between consenting adults who have reached the age of majority and predator who defiles and assaults a child. many pedophiles actually do not care about the gender of the child, they are fixated on kids who have not reached adolescence for their sick games. Pedophiles are not forced to rape and defile anymore than any other rapist, it is their victims who are made to suffer against their will. I don't know a single gay or lesbian, nor ever met one who likes pedophiles anymore then anyone else. Personally I feel if there is even the slightest risk one of these perps might re-offend they should be locked up for life.
If you will allow an outsiders opinion,it seems to me you overreacted and took it too far. You don't have to love everybody to be a good person. All you have to do is be kind to those you care for and leave the others alone to live their lives in peace. Anybody that tells you they love everybody is delusional. There are just too many people running around who are totally unlovable for that to be true. I personally know several people who are still alive only because it is illegal to kill them. I developed when I had been bullied in high school by a couple of wanks who liked to use the gay epithet form of belittlement and harassment on people they targeted to bully. I never had that problem. I was the smart guy that beat up all the bullies. Or more correctly,beat up a couple that everybody else was afraid of,and beat them so badly they were crying in public and begging me to leave them alone. Bullies tended to stay the hell away from me after that. In case you haven't guessed,in MY opinion the only fair fight is one I win. If it takes a Buick traveling at 70 MPH to win,you can look for a speeding Buick to appear in your near future. And "No,nobody ever bothered to call me a queer when I was in school",but some of the girls did call me different unflattering things. With good reason. As for lesbians and male homos,there were a couple of girls who were at least bi-sexual in the small rural high school I went to,and one guy I am pretty sure was queer,but nobody bothered any of them that I know of. People in small towns tend to be live and let live more than people in big cities. Probably because you know everything there is to know about everybody around you,and they are related to your friends and you have known them all your life. No one should have to suffer from such a deeply toxic disease of the spirit. You do have a point there. Raw hatred is a form of mental self-abuse. You may hate someone for some reason or even no reason at all,but your hatred doesn't hurt anybody but you. Hell,if they knew about it and didn't like you they would be laughing their asses off at all the problems they are causing you without them even having to lift a finger. Hatred and anger can eat away your soul and ruin your life and your health if you don't learn to get it under control. It adds nothing to the quality of your life. It only takes away. And I am saying this as a person that has been known to have anger issues myself.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
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#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#40)
#42. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Only because one is a crime and the other isn't.
#43. To: A K A Stone (#36)
If you want to lie with a man. Then by all means do so.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#37)
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And they have been taught that the lack of morals is a virtue
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
No one can police what someone thinks
#46. To: sneakypete (#45)
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
#48. To: sneakypete (#43)
you call yourself conservatives
#49. To: A K A Stone (#48)
you call yourself conservatives
#50. To: sneakypete (#49)
You're not a traditional conservative. You are a statist,and an excellent example of the type of person the people who founded this country left Europe to avoid.
#51. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#50)
#52. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)
I do believe prostitution and drugs should be legal because, again, what consenting adults do is their own business.
#53. To: sneakypete (#33)
LOTS of heterosexual couples that were married in various churches like oral sex and for hundreds of years oral sex was against the law.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Which people left Europe to promote faggots? None.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
You are a little obsessed with faggots,ain't ya? Are there any other groups of Americans you think the government has the right to deny rights because you don't like them?
#56. To: war (#6)
Homosexuals are put to death under sharia law.
#57. To: sneakypete (#54)
BTW,what kind of Christian are you that doesn't think we were all created in Gods image?
#58. To: A K A Stone (#57)
"That's dumb. It is a choice."
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
"That's dumb. It is a choice."
#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
You just admitted you are a closed minded
#62. To: A K A Stone (#61)
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
The research is far too extensive and big a body of work to post more then links and excerpts. And you just said you wouldn't read it anyway,
#64. To: A K A Stone (#63)
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
Your idea of rebuttal is a very childish resort to insult and innuendo.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)
"That way I waste less time."
#67. To: A K A Stone (#61)
I just know if your people try to influence my kids. They will end up blood red.
#68. To: sneakypete (#67)
If you REALLY believe that homosexuality is something that can be learned or taught,you MUST think YOU could "catch it". Which would go a long ways towards explaining your fear and hatred of homosexuals.
#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)
"If people are born that way. They can be cured of their mental condition."
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
#71. To: A K A Stone (#70)
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#72. To: A K A Stone (#68)
If people are born that way. They can be cured of their mental condition.
#73. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#69)
In other words, much as the Catholic Church used the hard to disprove charge of witchcraft in the 1500s to murder about 50,000 people in an inquisition to eliminate 'heretics,' anyone born imprinted sexually with sexual desire for same sex partners should be made to undergo re-education and conditioning to change their natural desire to be more likely to resemble your sexual desires.
#74. To: A K A Stone (#70)
Mike your effort here is obviously to recruit kids for faggots. Cut it out. No more faggot propaganda.
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
Not to mention that there is no such thing as recruiting people to be other then they actually are in terms of their sexual preference.
#76. To: sneakypete (#73)
#77. To: sneakypete (#75)
People will ONLY do things against their nature if they are forced to do so.
#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)
#79. To: Ferret Mike (#76)
You know pete, I remember quite well being a child who loathed Black or fat people. As I grew older though I started reading and listening to the world around me in the 1960s and came to realize I was mirroring my Mother's bigotry and started the long healing process from that affliction she gave me.
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