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Title: Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'
Source: cnsnews.com
URL Source: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hil ... cting-human-rights-lgbt-people
Published: Dec 9, 2011
Author: Patrick Goodenough and Susan Jones
Post Date: 2011-12-09 18:21:56 by CZ82
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Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'

By Patrick Goodenough and Susan Jones

CNSNews.com) - Religious beliefs and cultural values do not justify the failure to uphold the human rights of homosexuals, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the United Nations in Geneva on Tuesday.

"Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs," Clinton said.

Her speech at the Geneva headquarters of the United Nations and its Human Rights Council (HRC) was delivered ahead of Human Rights Day on December 10, the anniversary of the U.N.’s adoption in 1948 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

With Syrian abuses having been at the forefront of the Human Rights Council’s attention in recent days and weeks, Clinton’s focus on “LGBT rights” was unexpected, even after President Obama’s signing earlier in the day of a memorandum which the White House called the “first-ever U.S. government strategy dedicated to combating human rights abuses against LGBT persons abroad.”

Clinton said recognition that LGBT people "are entitled to the full measure of dignity and rights" has evolved over time: "And as it did, we understood that we were honoring rights that people always had, rather than creating new or special rights for them. Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights."

Clinton noted that among the challenges facing LGBT people is "when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. This is not unlike the justification offered for violent practices towards women like honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation. Some people still defend those practices as part of a cultural tradition. But violence toward women isn't cultural; it's criminal. Likewise with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights," she said.

"In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us. And this holds true for inflicting violence on LGBT people, criminalizing their status or behavior, expelling them from their families and communities, or tacitly or explicitly accepting their killing.

"Rarely are cultural and religious traditions and teachings actually in conflict with the protection of human rights," Clinton continued. "Indeed, our religion and our culture are sources of compassion and inspiration toward our fellow human beings. It was not only those who’ve justified slavery who leaned on religion, it was also those who sought to abolish it. And let us keep in mind that our commitments to protect the freedom of religion and to defend the dignity of LGBT people emanate from a common source.

“For many of us, religious belief and practice is a vital source of meaning and identity, and fundamental to who we are as people. And likewise, for most of us, the bonds of love and family that we forge are also vital sources of meaning and identity. And caring for others is an expression of what it means to be fully human. It is because the human experience is universal that human rights are universal and cut across all religions and cultures."

According to the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, homosexual acts are punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen, as well as in parts of Nigeria under shari’a law.

Countries whose laws allow for imprisonment of 10 years or more for homosexuality include Libya, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Papua New Guinea and Guyana, it says.

A number of other countries have penalties of prison terms of less than ten years, fines or other restrictions.

‘At war with people of faith’

During a background briefing in Geneva, a senior State Department official was asked about the administration’s view on same-sex marriage in the context of its new policy of promoting LGBT rights worldwide.

President Obama and Clinton have both stated publicly that they oppose same-sex marriage.

“I think the secretary and the president have both spoken about their personal views on marriage,” the official replied. “And I think that one of the things that comes up a lot in the international context is that, as in America, elsewhere there’s a ongoing debate about gay marriage.

“But whatever our position on gay marriage, I think one of the things that many of us have been working toward finding an agreement on is the fact that no matter what you think about that question, we can all agree that people ought not be killed or imprisoned for who they are and who they love,” the official said.

Republican presidential candidates Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Sen. Rick Santorum both criticized the administration’s LGBT announcements.

“Promoting special rights for gays in foreign countries is not in America’s interests and not worth a dime of taxpayers’ money,” Perry said in a statement, adding that the policy was “just the most recent example of an administration at war with people of faith in this country.”

“Obviously the administration is promoting their particular agenda in this country, and now they feel its their obligation to promote those values not just in the military, not just in our society, but now around the world with taxpayer dollars,” CNN quoted Santorum as telling reporters in Iowa

He said Obama must make his stance on same-sex marriage clear.

“He said he’s for traditional marriage, and now he’s promoting gay lifestyles and gay rights and he’s fighting against traditional marriage within the courts, and I think he needs to be honest,” Santorum said.

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#4. To: CZ82 (#0)

Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'

I hate it when I have to say that Bubbette! is right about something.

ALL US citizens have the same exact rights. Period.

This also means that LGBT citizens or any other special interest group have any special rights the rest of us don't have,either.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   6:48:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#4)

ALL US citizens have the same exact rights. Period.

This also means that LGBT citizens or any other special interest group have any special rights the rest of us don't have,either.

Why, even though homosexuals and criminals both exhibit deviant behavior, is one is allowed to roam the streets freely and the other is prosecuted and locked up in jail?????

Sounds like special rights to me!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-12-10   12:56:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CZ82 (#10)

Why, even though homosexuals and criminals both exhibit deviant behavior, is one is allowed to roam the streets freely and the other is prosecuted and locked up in jail?????

Sounds like special rights to me!!!

Then you are a idiot,because it's not a crime to be a homosexual.

BTW,heterosexuals and criminals both exhibit deviant behavior,so why why is one allowed to roam the streets freely and the other is prosecuted and locked up in jail?

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   13:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#11)

Then you are a idiot,because it's not a crime to be a homosexual.

It most certainly is a crime. It is a crime against nature.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-10   13:18:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, lucysmom, war, all (#12)

"It most certainly is a crime. It is a crime against nature."

Not at all. It is human nature to socialize in the full spectrum of being a species of animal on planet Earth or any other place life has evloved creatures like us.

Many other species of mammals have a demographic group that find the same gender to be what 'fires their rocket,' not just humans.

No one should denigrate or hate people who bond with other people to the point of developing a sexual relationship. And research has only proved that the preference is an imprint -- similar to the way some baby animals imprint on the first thing they see as their Mom, and is in no way a mere preference one is 'recruited' into.

Many heterosexual men and women have experimented with same gender sexual contact and naturally moved on from what was not inherent to their nature, much as have homosexual men and women who then realize that the opposite gender is not the wire that sends electricity to their spark plug.

Research shows too that homosexual men and women are just as well rounded in social adjustment and functionality in normal human life as those who are heterosexual. The sexual preference imprinted on them is no more a crime against nature then someone having blue eye instead of brown.

The permanent roadblock to your particular brand of bigotry and lack of empathy for others is that a great deal of impartial research has been done and very well vetted, and is taken to task only by material written with an agenda to propagandize.

No research done well and properly with no conclusion already reached has ever backed up your bias against homosexuals.

Bigotry has caused loss of self esteem and caused enclaves to form as people will do when being tasked by hate and intolerance. For example, studies showing many African-American girls preferring White dolls to Black are reflecting a loss of self esteem they pick up from popular culture which is still working out the residue of the deem engram of racism long embedded in our culture.

Like them, some gays and lesbians have been victims of self hatred much as Blacks have. If there had never been the culture of hatred and intolerance we are successfully fighting now, this would not be a controversy, and no one would be worrying about the fact that some human beings by nature prefer to sexually bond with people of the same gender as themselves.

There is absolutely no reason to go into the bedroom of two consenting adults and criticize their relationship. You often do with the argument that same gender sex does not create progeny. But this is a red herring of an argument as many people can't have kids because of age or medical conditions preventing this. It ignores the fact that many homosexuals who let culture force them into the straitjacket of a relationship with the gender that is a dead end because their true passions do not reside there have kids, and homosexual couples who meet the same criteria as heterosexual couples for adoption are just as nurturing and loving a choice to place children with who are up for adoption or to do foster care.

A very dear friend of mine, Gretchen Miller who was on the City Council has raised five kids with her partner, and all five are successful in life, well adjusted, and all five turned out to be very heterosexual in nature.

In essence, the facts are seriously and systemically against you, and we will get past this era of hatred and intolerance of people with no basis in fact or justification eventually. And this evolution toward an upholding of truth and undeniable reality frustrates and angers you to no end.

It comes down in a nutshell that the problem is provably with you and others ensconced into the culture of bigotry and hate, not with very functional and well adjusted people who just want to be left alone to live their own lives in peace and without undue stigma thrown at them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-10   14:45:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#14)

Many other species of mammals have a demographic group that find the same gender to be what 'fires their rocket,' not just humans.

Some species can even be male OR female,depending on the needs.

No one should denigrate or hate people who bond with other people to the point of developing a sexual relationship.

"SHOULD" is the key word here,not a legal requirement. Americans are supposed to be a free people,and a free person can hate or dislike anydamnbody they feel like hating or disliking. They just don't have the Constitutional right to harm that person physically.

You and your pals on the left ain't going to like this,but being free also means you have a right to deny employment or housing to anybody you don't like,for any reason. Or even for no reason at all.

Having the freedom to discriminate is the reason the other rights are important. If you aren't free to make your own decisions,you aren't free.

It's the GOVERNMENT that does NOT have a right to discriminate. NOT individuals.

The permanent roadblock to your particular brand of bigotry and lack of empathy for others is that a great deal of impartial research has been done and very well vetted, and is taken to task only by material written with an agenda to propagandize.

His beliefs are based on his religion,and ALL religion is based on faith,not fact.

No research done well and properly with no conclusion already reached has ever backed up your bias against homosexuals.

So what? He has a right to any bias that pleases him.

Like them, some gays and lesbians have been victims of self hatred much as Blacks have. If there had never been the culture of hatred and intolerance we are successfully fighting now, this would not be a controversy, and no one would be worrying about the fact that some human beings by nature prefer to sexually bond with people of the same gender as themselves.

So what? Life ain't fair. It's that way for all of us,regardless of color or sexual orientation. Get over it and move on.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-12-10   18:13:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#29)

""SHOULD" is the key word here,not a legal requirement. Americans are supposed to be a free people,and a free person can hate or dislike anydamnbody they feel like hating or disliking. They just don't have the Constitutional right to harm that person physically."

No one can police what someone thinks, but if that hate manifests into behavior that does cause harm, it can be behavior that is moderated or ended.

Look at this behavior some engage in that is hate based concerning homosexuals. Such as example simular to the clown in this thread that thinks gay baiting me to try to get me to defend my heterosexual nature.

Many kids are harmed when they get picked on by their peers using accusations of being gay based on no fact but the perception they are more effeminate or small and skinny enough to make it hard for them to stop anyone from picking on them.

You don't have to be gay to be hurt by activities of someone who is homophobic and a bully by nature. School officials, parents and others have a duty to interdict and end such behavior. It is specifically addressed and recognized as a problem in recent programs to try to end bullying in general.

I won't put up with it when I see this sort of bullying, but I also will smack and possibly angrily chase any guy who tries to lay an amorous hand on me. I also would not welcome such advances by a woman I am not interested.

But that is less likely to happen as women are not as aggressive that way as men.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-10   19:01:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#38)

No one can police what someone thinks

That doesn't seem to keep your pals on the left from trying,though. "Hate Crimes" are a perfect example.

Look at this behavior some engage in that is hate based concerning homosexuals.

So what? Do you suggest regulating hate? Hate is THOUGHT.

Many kids are harmed when they get picked on by their peers using accusations of being gay based on no fact but the perception they are more effeminate or small and skinny enough to make it hard for them to stop anyone from picking on them.

So what? Kids are mean to each other,and always have been since the dawn of history. Life ain't fair. Never has been,never will be. Learning to suck it up and move forward is what makes you an adult. It teaches the valuable life lesson that most people WILL be shitheads if given a chance,and that most people have no more character than they have to have to keep from getting the snot beaten out of them. Learning this to be true as a kid gives you an advantage over the kids that grow up in Marry Poppins land.

I was little as a kid and as an adult,plus I had to work under the handicap of having a mild case of polio when I was in the 3rd grade and had to learn how to walk and run all over again. The walking wasn't too tough,but learning how to run was a brass-plated bitch. Still,I learned at a early age that drawing blood from the people screwing with you was the surest way in the world to make them stop. After all,bullies don't really want to actually fight. They just want to bully somebody and maybe beat up people that won't fight back. People that fight back using baseball bats scare the hell out of them. You only have to do that just once,and ALL the bullies will leave you the hell alone.

School officials, parents and others have a duty to interdict and end such behavior.

I partially agree with this. They even have an obligation to stop it when they see it,but they don't always see it. Because of this the kid needs to learn to take care of him or herself,or to learn some other way to cope with bullies. Maybe humor,maybe hiding. Maybe running away. Whatever works for them that they can live with. Running away wasn't a option for me as a kid,so I did what I had to do and could do.

The main thing they need to learn is the world is not your mama,and that you need to learn how to take care of yourself.

I won't put up with it when I see this sort of bullying,

Believe it or not,most of the fights I got into in my life happened when I stepped in to try and get a bully to leave someone alone they were picking on. A lot of times these bullies thought they were obligated to try and pick on me because they had a image to protect and people were watching. They looked at my height and confused me with someone that doesn't have a temper. They did learn a valuable lesson out of this,though. That lesson was to NEVER try to pick on a adrenaline junkie.

I am NOT claiming I am some sort of Bruce Less badass. I'm not. I'm just somebody that doesn't really give a damn. Once the first blow is passed,I'm in the game until it ends. That's just the way I am. I can't help myself.

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#46. To: sneakypete (#45)

Thought you might like to look at this Eugene Oregon Register Guard special on local men who are still with us and Pearl Harbor survivors. I enjoyed it.

Called to duty -- A salute to our area’s World War II veterans to mark the 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbor

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