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Title: Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People'
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Published: Dec 9, 2011
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Hillary Clinton: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Are ‘Standing in the Way of Protecting Human Rights of LGBT People' By Patrick Goodenough and Susan Jones CNSNews.com) - Religious beliefs and cultural values do not justify the failure to uphold the human rights of homosexuals, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the United Nations in Geneva on Tuesday. "Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs," Clinton said. Her speech at the Geneva headquarters of the United Nations and its Human Rights Council (HRC) was delivered ahead of Human Rights Day on December 10, the anniversary of the U.N.’s adoption in 1948 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. With Syrian abuses having been at the forefront of the Human Rights Council’s attention in recent days and weeks, Clinton’s focus on “LGBT rights” was unexpected, even after President Obama’s signing earlier in the day of a memorandum which the White House called the “first-ever U.S. government strategy dedicated to combating human rights abuses against LGBT persons abroad.” Clinton said recognition that LGBT people "are entitled to the full measure of dignity and rights" has evolved over time: "And as it did, we understood that we were honoring rights that people always had, rather than creating new or special rights for them. Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights." Clinton noted that among the challenges facing LGBT people is "when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. This is not unlike the justification offered for violent practices towards women like honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation. Some people still defend those practices as part of a cultural tradition. But violence toward women isn't cultural; it's criminal. Likewise with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights," she said. "In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us. And this holds true for inflicting violence on LGBT people, criminalizing their status or behavior, expelling them from their families and communities, or tacitly or explicitly accepting their killing. "Rarely are cultural and religious traditions and teachings actually in conflict with the protection of human rights," Clinton continued. "Indeed, our religion and our culture are sources of compassion and inspiration toward our fellow human beings. It was not only those who’ve justified slavery who leaned on religion, it was also those who sought to abolish it. And let us keep in mind that our commitments to protect the freedom of religion and to defend the dignity of LGBT people emanate from a common source. “For many of us, religious belief and practice is a vital source of meaning and identity, and fundamental to who we are as people. And likewise, for most of us, the bonds of love and family that we forge are also vital sources of meaning and identity. And caring for others is an expression of what it means to be fully human. It is because the human experience is universal that human rights are universal and cut across all religions and cultures." According to the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, homosexual acts are punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen, as well as in parts of Nigeria under shari’a law. Countries whose laws allow for imprisonment of 10 years or more for homosexuality include Libya, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Papua New Guinea and Guyana, it says. A number of other countries have penalties of prison terms of less than ten years, fines or other restrictions. ‘At war with people of faith’ During a background briefing in Geneva, a senior State Department official was asked about the administration’s view on same-sex marriage in the context of its new policy of promoting LGBT rights worldwide. President Obama and Clinton have both stated publicly that they oppose same-sex marriage. “I think the secretary and the president have both spoken about their personal views on marriage,” the official replied. “And I think that one of the things that comes up a lot in the international context is that, as in America, elsewhere there’s a ongoing debate about gay marriage. “But whatever our position on gay marriage, I think one of the things that many of us have been working toward finding an agreement on is the fact that no matter what you think about that question, we can all agree that people ought not be killed or imprisoned for who they are and who they love,” the official said. Republican presidential candidates Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Sen. Rick Santorum both criticized the administration’s LGBT announcements. “Promoting special rights for gays in foreign countries is not in America’s interests and not worth a dime of taxpayers’ money,” Perry said in a statement, adding that the policy was “just the most recent example of an administration at war with people of faith in this country.” “Obviously the administration is promoting their particular agenda in this country, and now they feel its their obligation to promote those values not just in the military, not just in our society, but now around the world with taxpayer dollars,” CNN quoted Santorum as telling reporters in Iowa He said Obama must make his stance on same-sex marriage clear. “He said he’s for traditional marriage, and now he’s promoting gay lifestyles and gay rights and he’s fighting against traditional marriage within the courts, and I think he needs to be honest,” Santorum said.
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#25. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Really? What are you saying,that Mother Nature is the new Sheriff in town,and she arrests homosexuals. Since when was Mother Nature put in a position where she could overrule the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution? Did YOU elect her? Or maybe you are saying God made a mistake when he created them?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Really? In some places it was a marriage between a man and hundreds of women. And a marriage is a legal joining. That's ALL it is.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You know I've never really figured out why the current batch of Leftards are so enamoured with gays... Their ancestors the Nazis hated them and did everything in their power to eradicate them..... HHmmmmm.....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Another use of bogus statistics in a try to be an informative guy on gays. Citation please. I already know you do not have any citation to any study that proves that. In any event, pedophilia is a behavior where minors too young to form consent are victimized by a predictor sexually intimidated by the thought of sexual relations with his peers in age. Homosexuality is normal human sexual pair bonding between consenting adults involving normal human sexual attraction.
Some species can even be male OR female,depending on the needs. No one should denigrate or hate people who bond with other people to the point of developing a sexual relationship. "SHOULD" is the key word here,not a legal requirement. Americans are supposed to be a free people,and a free person can hate or dislike anydamnbody they feel like hating or disliking. They just don't have the Constitutional right to harm that person physically. You and your pals on the left ain't going to like this,but being free also means you have a right to deny employment or housing to anybody you don't like,for any reason. Or even for no reason at all. Having the freedom to discriminate is the reason the other rights are important. If you aren't free to make your own decisions,you aren't free. It's the GOVERNMENT that does NOT have a right to discriminate. NOT individuals. The permanent roadblock to your particular brand of bigotry and lack of empathy for others is that a great deal of impartial research has been done and very well vetted, and is taken to task only by material written with an agenda to propagandize. His beliefs are based on his religion,and ALL religion is based on faith,not fact. No research done well and properly with no conclusion already reached has ever backed up your bias against homosexuals. So what? He has a right to any bias that pleases him. Like them, some gays and lesbians have been victims of self hatred much as Blacks have. If there had never been the culture of hatred and intolerance we are successfully fighting now, this would not be a controversy, and no one would be worrying about the fact that some human beings by nature prefer to sexually bond with people of the same gender as themselves. So what? Life ain't fair. It's that way for all of us,regardless of color or sexual orientation. Get over it and move on.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Only because one is a crime and the other isn't. They are the same in one important sense,though. Neither were chosen by the new-born baby. Child molesters are BORN to be child molesters,and nothing you can do to this will change this. Which is why they should be locked away for life. People don't become perverts because they want to. The become perverts because they are born with that inclination and there is not much they can do about it. Besides,who gets to determine what is perverted and what isn't. For devout Catholics,a man having sex with his wife for pleasure is a perverted sin. For others,being perverted means using the whole chicken instead of a feather. Your kindred champions pervert "rights" and rights to kill babies Are you one of those people that believe life begins at erection?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You call the Old Testament a scientific answer? Do NOT try to inflict your religious beliefs on ME! I am a free man and a free citizen,and your superstitions do not rule MY life.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Some of these are kinda long one is 16 pages and the other is 32 pages, have at it.... www.mega.nu/ ampp/baldwin_pedophilia_homosexuality.pdf "CHANGE" you can step in..... It would be for me if *I* did it,but I'm not going to be doing it and I don't give a damn if other people do or not. None of my business. and all other deviant behaviors that I know of have to pay the price for their actions,... You mean like missionaries ending up in a cannibal cook pot? They are responsible for more sex crimes that people realize... THERE is some circular reasoning if I have ever seen it. Since it was fundie Christians that decided homosexuality should be illegal,by definition homosexuals break the law on a regular basis. Duhhhh! LOTS of heterosexual couples that were married in various churches like oral sex and for hundreds of years oral sex was against the law. By YOUR definition these people were committing sex crimes. Maybe even some of your closest ancestors. Want to see THEM burned at the stake for what they did in the privacy of their own homes? Did you know that they are responsible for 50% or more of all "REPORTED" pedophile crimes in this country and they only represent 3% of the population!!!!! I flat don't believe it. Where did you get these figures,from Pat Robertson?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Thanks, I'll look at them and tell you what I think. I don't have time to do anything that involved at the moment.
Actually neither is a crime. Except the crime against nature thing.
If you want to lie with a man. Then by all means do so. Don't try to change the meaning of words "marriage" to suck up to some sex perverts.
Their parents didn't teach them the difference between right and wrong. It is the same kind of thinking that doesn't want to keep score at little league games. They have a serious moral problem. And they have been taught that the lack of morals is a virtue. They are hopeless to reach. We can just make fun and laugh at them and focus on the new generations.
No one can police what someone thinks, but if that hate manifests into behavior that does cause harm, it can be behavior that is moderated or ended. Look at this behavior some engage in that is hate based concerning homosexuals. Such as example simular to the clown in this thread that thinks gay baiting me to try to get me to defend my heterosexual nature. Many kids are harmed when they get picked on by their peers using accusations of being gay based on no fact but the perception they are more effeminate or small and skinny enough to make it hard for them to stop anyone from picking on them. You don't have to be gay to be hurt by activities of someone who is homophobic and a bully by nature. School officials, parents and others have a duty to interdict and end such behavior. It is specifically addressed and recognized as a problem in recent programs to try to end bullying in general. I won't put up with it when I see this sort of bullying, but I also will smack and possibly angrily chase any guy who tries to lay an amorous hand on me. I also would not welcome such advances by a woman I am not interested. But that is less likely to happen as women are not as aggressive that way as men.
It is an irony that people who don't like homosexuals often sneer how promiscuous they allegedly are, but then they try to deny them the same contractual protection that offers the stability to make monogamy work. Marriage is meant to protect monogamy and is a contract that has ties to work and other benefits such as being able to visit one's partner in a hospital without being interfered with. I want to see the process of making marriage contracts to be fair and available to everyone whatever gender they are because monogamy has many benefits. And having equal protection under the law to be married is good for everyone, including heterosexual couples. When you separate the desire to try to punish homosexuals by denying then the right to marry, you hurt the concpt of equal protection under the law. I would point out too that the survival rte of heterosexual marriages is not very good in these modern times. It would be nice to see people working to strenthen and protect the institution of marriage. Time and energy going after the rights of homosexuals to marry would be better spent doing that. Attacking any part of that contractual relationship hurts the concept of marriage at large.
Lousy singer. I don't see the point of the link.
Actually neither is a crime. Except the crime against nature thing. Ok,I'll give you 50 percent credit on this one because it all depends on how deviancy is being defined. For example,a child molester is a deviant,and is most definitely a criminal. Some people may consider heterosexual sex in any position other than the missionary position to be deviant,but that is not illegal.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Thanks,but I will pass on that one. I am 100% heterosexual. Don't try to change the meaning of words "marriage" to suck up to some sex perverts. People like you are the perverts because you think you have some special dispensation from Gawd to tell other adults what kind of sex they can have and who they MUST have it with. The ultimate personal choice,and yet people like you call yourself conservatives while demanding the force of government control this VERY individual freedom. And I'm not sucking up to anybody. YOU are. You are sucking up to the blind and stupid religious bigots and going against individual freedoms. What *I* am doing is standing up for the US Constitution.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
And you and others have been taught that using a 2000 year old superstitious belief set to use the force of government to control the sex lives on adults is a virtue. Want to tell us again about what a little limited government pro-freedom conservative you are?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That doesn't seem to keep your pals on the left from trying,though. "Hate Crimes" are a perfect example. Look at this behavior some engage in that is hate based concerning homosexuals. So what? Do you suggest regulating hate? Hate is THOUGHT. Many kids are harmed when they get picked on by their peers using accusations of being gay based on no fact but the perception they are more effeminate or small and skinny enough to make it hard for them to stop anyone from picking on them. So what? Kids are mean to each other,and always have been since the dawn of history. Life ain't fair. Never has been,never will be. Learning to suck it up and move forward is what makes you an adult. It teaches the valuable life lesson that most people WILL be shitheads if given a chance,and that most people have no more character than they have to have to keep from getting the snot beaten out of them. Learning this to be true as a kid gives you an advantage over the kids that grow up in Marry Poppins land. I was little as a kid and as an adult,plus I had to work under the handicap of having a mild case of polio when I was in the 3rd grade and had to learn how to walk and run all over again. The walking wasn't too tough,but learning how to run was a brass-plated bitch. Still,I learned at a early age that drawing blood from the people screwing with you was the surest way in the world to make them stop. After all,bullies don't really want to actually fight. They just want to bully somebody and maybe beat up people that won't fight back. People that fight back using baseball bats scare the hell out of them. You only have to do that just once,and ALL the bullies will leave you the hell alone. School officials, parents and others have a duty to interdict and end such behavior. I partially agree with this. They even have an obligation to stop it when they see it,but they don't always see it. Because of this the kid needs to learn to take care of him or herself,or to learn some other way to cope with bullies. Maybe humor,maybe hiding. Maybe running away. Whatever works for them that they can live with. Running away wasn't a option for me as a kid,so I did what I had to do and could do. The main thing they need to learn is the world is not your mama,and that you need to learn how to take care of yourself. I won't put up with it when I see this sort of bullying, Believe it or not,most of the fights I got into in my life happened when I stepped in to try and get a bully to leave someone alone they were picking on. A lot of times these bullies thought they were obligated to try and pick on me because they had a image to protect and people were watching. They looked at my height and confused me with someone that doesn't have a temper. They did learn a valuable lesson out of this,though. That lesson was to NEVER try to pick on a adrenaline junkie. I am NOT claiming I am some sort of Bruce Less badass. I'm not. I'm just somebody that doesn't really give a damn. Once the first blow is passed,I'm in the game until it ends. That's just the way I am. I can't help myself.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Thought you might like to look at this Eugene Oregon Register Guard special on local men who are still with us and Pearl Harbor survivors. I enjoyed it.
Thanks. What was that other link you wanted me to look at a few days ago? I didn't have the time to check it right then,and then I forgot about it.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yes. What conserve the true meaning of the word.
Yes. You're not a traditional conservative. You are a statist,and an excellent example of the type of person the people who founded this country left Europe to avoid.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Which people left Europe to promote faggots? None. The people who left Europe weren't atheists as you are. They were christians like me. They were more radical then I am. They burnt witches and probably deviants too. Me a statist lol that is rich. It is you who would use the power of the state to change the meaning of words. Maybe they can change the meaning of years also so a president can stay forever. Pete you are out to lunch on this topic. You should sit back and reflect on your position. It is the same position of the usurper Obama. You sit with Jessie Jackass on this one. Does it feel good to keep the company of Michale Moron and Rosie the Donut Odonnell? Do you watch reruns of the elan the degenerate show?
Stone , I agree with you 100% on this. The Pilgrims would have put homos to death...Christmas was even outlawed as a pagan holiday...which it is. While I firmly believe what 2 people do in the privacy of their own home is their business, the "gay" agenda is one of recruitment, especially the young. It is a filthy, disease ridden lifestyle and the average "gay" man dies 27 years below average due this...yet this is the lifestyle being promoted as "enlightened" to our children. The gays don't want tolerance, they want to radically change the way it is accepted...it's the new cool, and anyone that doesn't agree is a knuckle draggier that needs to be jailed for intolerance. We, as a society, don't accept bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia or incest. I, also am am Christian...but I fall down on the side of freedom almost every time...I don't believe in abortion because it's killing an innocent person...I do believe prostitution and drugs should be legal because, again, what consenting adults do is their own business. If 2 guys want to bugger each other it's their business, but they don't need to be teachers, scout leaders or foster parents...they need to go back in the closet and STOP trying to force it down everyone's throat as "normal"...it isn't, if it were they could reproduce and make more of their own...it's against EVERYTHING in nature. The feminizing of the male culture has gotten us where we are.
Even crack, heroin and meth? I disagree with that. Maybe weed.
LOL! True. Still is in some States.
You are a little obsessed with faggots,ain't ya? Are there any other groups of Americans you think the government has the right to deny rights because you don't like them? The people who left Europe weren't atheists as you are. I'm not a atheist,and you have no freaking idea what the people who left Europe were if you don't think there were atheists included in that mix. After all,NOT being religious was a crime in Europe at that time. They were christians like me. Some were. Cults are nothing new. They were more radical then I am. They burnt witches and probably deviants too. Those were the bad ones that formed the government in Mass,and I have no doubt whatsoever you would have homosexuals burnt at the stake if you could do it without getting into trouble. BTW,what kind of Christian are you that doesn't think we were all created in Gods image? Or are you saying God make a mistake when he created homosexuals? Me a statist lol that is rich. What's rich is you denying it while screaming for more government control at the same time. You should sit back and reflect on your position. It is the same position of the usurper Obama. You sit with Jessie Jackass on this one. Does it feel good to keep the company of Michale Moron and Rosie the Donut Odonnell? Do you watch reruns of the elan the degenerate show? Wrong once again.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I didn't start the thread. I just respond. I don't think the government should take away anyone's rights. Why do you think you should be allowed to join the girl scouts and go in the womans bathroom?
And how do Muslims,as per your description,differ from Catholic priests and how they are dealt with by the "Holy" See? As a recovering Catholic, I'm not one to defend holy mother church. However I do think the Holy See offers more due process to the accused.
A movie about the losing VP candidate is called "The Undefeated"?
Or are you saying God make a mistake when he created homosexuals? That's dumb. It is a choice.
What is dumb is you prefer your hate and distortions to an acceptance of well researched studies that show otherwise. There is a very good reason there is no lasting success in the small number of men who try to work conversion programs that has a political and religious basis to ignore what research has shown about homosexuality. If this were possible, the percentage of gay men who wish they were heterosexual just because it would make their life easier in a culture with may haters like you would be non-existent as they would just switch to relationships with woman. It is impossible to turn heterosexual men into homosexual ones and visa versa. The sexual drive of humans is a very strong one and impossible to ignore, as is the desire for the sort of partner that excites and stirs the compulsion to seek the sort of partner that 'fires one's rocket.'
What is dumb is you prefer your hate and distortions to an acceptance of well researched studies that show otherwise. Mike you are a moron. Ok. You hate faggots. If you didn't' you would let them know it is destructive. You're pathetic. If you want to do dudes go ahead. I don't give a shit. Your words are the words of a fool. I didn't even read them all. They are a waste of time.
You just admitted you are a closed minded fool and bigot that does not engage in lively discussion or debate because you are so self important and self centered you think only your opinions and beliefs count. Hey, if you want to do dudes and feel guilty because you do, go ahead. because it is just as likely you are lying about your sexual preference as anyone else. Your childish insults don't bother me. They just show how petty and small minded you are, and how immature a man child you grew into.
I'm not going to sit here with you and argue with you that two plus two equals five. Mike I already know it equals 4. Example. You said there is research that says people are born faggots. But you don't post that research. I don't care much about faggots or your fag culture. I just know if your people try to influence my kids. They will end up blood red.
The research is far too extensive and big a body of work to post more then links and excerpts. And you just said you wouldn't read it anyway, because you arrogantly think you are always right. Who you go to bed with your 'daddy' of a top tonight, he should give you a good spanking before he plows you for your insulting ways and potty mouth mind. Don't like it much when your shit gets dished back to you, do you?
You didn't read shit Mike. You are just parroting some fudge packers.
You are the one who says he is too narrow minded to read anything but what you want. The APA site and other places the research that got homosexuality removed from it's stigma as an affliction is very easy to find, even you could do it. Unlike you I have a college education and have read a wealth of things. Is that what you call your top; your hunk of a fudge packer? Your idea of rebuttal is a very childish resort to insult and innuendo. To you a forum is not a place for you to learn and develop concepts and ideas, it is a place where you can impose your narrow minded and ridiculous view on things like the light from stars and galaxies millions of billions of years away was created six thousand years ago in the way to Earth, and other lame, circular logic invented in vain to try to make unworkable theories work. As I said, I am as gay as you are, unless you are really gay that is. ROTFLOL!
Sometimes it is just easier to say you are a dumb ass. That way I waste less time.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIt most certainly is a crime. It is a crime against nature.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Marriage has a definition that is centuries old. It is a union between a man and a woman.
#27. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Most nations throughout history agree with me. In fact 99 percent of society throughout the ages agrees with that simple truth.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!! Number of shallow, inadequate, hypocritical Leftards who have me on BOZO---3..........
#28. To: CZ82 (#24)
"Did you know that they are responsible for 50% or more of all "REPORTED" pedophile crimes in this country and they only represent 3% of the population!"
#29. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#14)
Many other species of mammals have a demographic group that find the same gender to be what 'fires their rocket,' not just humans.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#19)
Being born black and choosing to be a pervert are two different things.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#21)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
Another use of bogus statistics in a try to be an informative guy on gays.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!! Number of shallow, inadequate, hypocritical Leftards who have me on BOZO---3..........
#33. To: CZ82 (#24)
It's still a deviant behavior ...
#34. To: CZ82 (#32)
#35. To: sneakypete (#30)
Only because one is a crime and the other isn't.
#36. To: sneakypete (#31)
Do NOT try to inflict your religious beliefs on ME!
#37. To: CZ82 (#27)
You know I've never really figured out why the current batch of Leftards are so enamoured with gays.
#38. To: sneakypete (#29)
""SHOULD" is the key word here,not a legal requirement. Americans are supposed to be a free people,and a free person can hate or dislike anydamnbody they feel like hating or disliking. They just don't have the Constitutional right to harm that person physically."
#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)
"If you want to lie with a man. Then by all means do so. Don't try to change the meaning of words "marriage" to suck up to some sex perverts."
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#40)
#42. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Only because one is a crime and the other isn't.
#43. To: A K A Stone (#36)
If you want to lie with a man. Then by all means do so.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#37)
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And they have been taught that the lack of morals is a virtue
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
No one can police what someone thinks
#46. To: sneakypete (#45)
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
#48. To: sneakypete (#43)
you call yourself conservatives
#49. To: A K A Stone (#48)
you call yourself conservatives
#50. To: sneakypete (#49)
You're not a traditional conservative. You are a statist,and an excellent example of the type of person the people who founded this country left Europe to avoid.
#51. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#50)
#52. To: freedomsnotfree (#51)
I do believe prostitution and drugs should be legal because, again, what consenting adults do is their own business.
#53. To: sneakypete (#33)
LOTS of heterosexual couples that were married in various churches like oral sex and for hundreds of years oral sex was against the law.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Which people left Europe to promote faggots? None.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
You are a little obsessed with faggots,ain't ya? Are there any other groups of Americans you think the government has the right to deny rights because you don't like them?
#56. To: war (#6)
Homosexuals are put to death under sharia law.
#57. To: sneakypete (#54)
BTW,what kind of Christian are you that doesn't think we were all created in Gods image?
#58. To: A K A Stone (#57)
"That's dumb. It is a choice."
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
"That's dumb. It is a choice."
#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
You just admitted you are a closed minded
#62. To: A K A Stone (#61)
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
The research is far too extensive and big a body of work to post more then links and excerpts. And you just said you wouldn't read it anyway,
#64. To: A K A Stone (#63)
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
Your idea of rebuttal is a very childish resort to insult and innuendo.
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