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Title: Philip Pilkington: Libertarianism and the Leap of Faith – The Origins of a Political Cult
Source: Naked Capitalism
URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011 ... igins-of-a-political-cult.html
Published: Dec 7, 2011
Author: Philip Pilkington
Post Date: 2011-12-07 09:29:50 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 29620
Comments: 65

You wanted God’s ideas about what was best for you to coincide with your ideas, but you also wanted him to be the almighty Creator of heaven and earth so that he could properly fulfil your wish. And yet, if he were to share your ideas, he would cease to be the almighty Father.

– Søren Kierkegaard

Political cults often have the strangest and most obscure origins. Take Marxism, for example. Today it is well-known that Marxist doctrine essentially sprang out of the obscure 19th century economic debates over the source of ‘value’. By ‘proving’ – that is, lifting the assumption from classical political economy – that all ‘value’ came from labour, Karl Marx went on to show that it was therefore only logical to assume the existence of something called ‘surplus value’ that was sucked out of labourers by a parasitic capitalist class. From out of this obscure debate flowed an awesome political movement – and a tyranny to match.

What is less well-known is that today’s most popular political cult – that is, libertarianism – was born in very similar circumstances; it too, arrived into the world out of the obscure 19th century debates over economic ‘value’. But before we explore this in any detail it might be appropriate to speculate a little on what characterises a political cult and why so many of these find their sustenance in economic theories of value.

What is a Political Cult and Why Do they Often Love Economic Value Theory?

A political cult is characterised by a political or economic doctrine that answers all the ‘big questions’ about life, the world and everything else. The doctrine that is handed down is then to be conceived of as a way to live one’s life – a project, handed down from Mount Sinai, that one is under the moral obligation to spread far and wide. This is why we refer to these movements as cults. And it is this that gives them such an awesome status in the glazed eyes of their devotees.

Under such circumstances, politics becomes a sort of religious calling. In these doctrines there is usually an ‘Evil Being’ who is opposing the spread of the ‘Good’ on earth and it is these that are to blame for all the bad things in the world. In Marxism this Evil Being is the capitalist; in libertarianism it is the figure who is at different times referred to as the ‘collectivist’, the ‘liberal’ or the ‘socialist’. Needless to say that, since these figures are usually ones of Extreme Evil they must be ‘liquidated’ or ‘eliminated’ at the first possible opportunity lest they spread their Demonic Gospel to the masses.

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp. Not only does this allow the devotees to feel ‘special’, in modern political cults it also gives them practical, albeit ‘secret’ advice about what they should do in their day-to-day lives. (Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example).

Does that not describe you Eric?

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-07   9:32:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#1)

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp. Not only does this allow the devotees to feel ‘special’, in modern political cults it also gives them practical, albeit ‘secret’ advice about what they should do in their day-to-day lives. (Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example). Does that not describe you Eric?

Hardly. The information I put out there, is widely available, historically supported, easily verified.

I put out THE TRUTH.

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp.

You, OTOH, are perfectly described by this quote. Your knee-jerk socialism, where you think you can dictate how much other earn, how much money is "too much," and how others should spend their hard-earned money, is your game. You think you have the secret formula for how others should earn their money, how they should SPEND it, how they should invest it, etcetera.

ANYONE who disagrees with your bullshit views are labled as "greedy," or some equally stupid word, which demonstrates your gross ignorance, instead of their character.

(Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example).

QUESTION: What has been the historical medium of money for over 3000 years?

ANSWER: Gold and silver. Not "certificates," but PHYSICAL gold and silver.

QUESTION: WHY do you think it is, that national banks all over the world are buying gold in massive quantities?

ANSWER: Because they're the natural store of value that fiat currencies lack.

QUESTION: WHAT is the natural result of all fiat currencies, eventually (100% consistent record)?

ANSWER: Complete devaluation to the intrinsic value of the paper it's printed on.

QUESTION: WHY should someone be labled a "front-man" because he advocates that people take steps to PRESERVE WHAT THEY'VE WORKED ALL THEIR LIFE TO ACQUIRE???

ANSWER: Because you're one STUPID bitch, who prefers to swallow the propaganda... and HATES that the rest of us aren't as stupid and gullible as you are.

I take great comfort, knowing that the future is going to give you everything you so rightfully deserve... and it's gonna' give it to you, good and hard.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-07   21:31:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)

Hardly. The information I put out there, is widely available, historically supported, easily verified.

I put out THE TRUTH.

OK, let's look at an example of your "truth".

QUESTION: What has been the historical medium of money for over 3000 years?

ANSWER: Gold and silver. Not "certificates," but PHYSICAL gold and silver.

I'm sure YOU believe your answer to be correct, however it is not. Gold and silver have been "a", not "the" medium of exchange on and off through history.

Historically shells, cattle, copper, bronze, and leather were used as a mediums of exchange; paper money was used in 9th century China.

In England

King Henry the First produced sticks of polished wood, with notches cut along one edge to signify the denominations. The stick was then split full length so each piece still had a record of the notches.

The King kept one half for proof against counterfeiting, and then spent the other half into the market place where it would continue to circulate as money.

Because only Tally Sticks were accepted by Henry for payment of taxes, there was a built in demand for them, which gave people confidence to accept these as money.

He could have used anything really, so long as the people agreed it had value, and his willingness to accept these sticks as legal tender made it easy for the people to agree. Money is only as valuable as peoples faith in it, and without that faith even today's money is just paper.

The tally stick system worked really well for 726 years. It was the most successful form of currency in recent history and the British Empire was actually built under the Tally Stick system...

www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-07   22:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#20) (Edited)

QUESTION: What has been the historical medium of money for over 3000 years?

ANSWER: Gold and silver. Not "certificates," but PHYSICAL gold and silver.

I'm sure YOU believe your answer to be correct, however it is not. Gold and silver have been "a", not "the" medium of exchange on and off through history.

Thank you for demonstrating my point to a "T."

YOU are not interested in any facts which contradict your foolish opinions.

I couldn't have proven the point better, if I tried.

Thanks for playing, you stupid, STUPID sheep. Now go back to the more entertaining fiction commonly referred to as the "evening news," and be content in your dull stupidity, until they shear you as the idiot sheep you really are.

Oh, and BTW, your linked "source" is bogus, because it doesn't go back nearly far enough. Nice try, bitch, but you fail. AGAIN.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-07   23:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)

Eric: I am YOU are not interested in any facts which contradict your foolish opinions.

There; corrected that sentence of yours enough to make it a true statement.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   4:31:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

Eric: I am YOU are not interested in any facts which contradict your foolish opinions.

There; corrected that sentence of yours enough to make it a true statement.

Mike. That is not a true statement. Eric deals in facts regularly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-08   7:59:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#24)

"That is not a true statement. Eric deals in facts regularly."

He also likes to try to taunt and bait. What I say is true.

He only deals in facts if he likes someone's politics. Quid proquo, he gets what he gives.

Or are you going to start lecturing to him too about how I deal in facts and he should stop acting like I don't? Heh, you are never worried when he gives worse to Lucysmom or others in here, just when people like me do.

Which is my point. Thanks for walking into that display of your double standard. Now, go ahead and do the other half of that, warn me not to and leave him alone when he does this, like you like to do.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   11:52:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike, mininggold, lucysmom, CapitalistEric, A K A Stone (#29)

He also likes to try to taunt and bait.

In all fairness, Eric was taunted from the very first post of this thread. He is being deliberately taunted by lucysmom with these 'libertarianism is a cult' and similar articles and that has been going on for at least a week. In fact, the last 5 'Cult Watch' articles have been posted by lucysmom and concern libertarianism as a cult. In many of those threads she either mentions Eric or pings him directly in her very first post. Do the search and see for yourself. Eric is not the only one who taunts and baits here.

Then she cries to Stone about the treatment she gets due to her own taunting.

What if we all stopped taunting? Wouldn't that be great?

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp. Not only does this allow the devotees to feel ‘special’, in modern political cults it also gives them practical, albeit ‘secret’ advice about what they should do in their day-to-day lives. (Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example).

Does that not describe you Eric?

We The People  posted on  2011-12-08   21:53:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: We The People (#37)

Then she cries to Stone about the treatment she gets due to her own taunting.

Just the fact that you can write the above speaks volumes.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-08   23:48:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lucysmom (#40) (Edited)

Just the fact that you can write the above speaks volumes.

The truth always does speak volumes.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=26380&Disp=26#C26

At that link, there you are complaining to Stone about the treatment you've brought upon yourself.

lucysmom to A K A Stone: "What do you think of CE's response to my post. Would you call it on topic? Is that the sort of debate you wish to encourage?"

You taunt others then go to Stone with their responses. If you stopped taunting and baiting others, with thread after thread, you'd likely not get that sort of response.

Think of Newton's 3rd law.

Of course, this is me assuming that you'd like to 'up' the level of discourse here and not drag in down into junior high.

We The People  posted on  2011-12-09   6:30:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People (#43)

At that link, there you are complaining to Stone about the treatment you've brought upon yourself.

Yes, indeedie, I did do that.

Of course, this is me assuming that you'd like to 'up' the level of discourse here and not drag in down into junior high.

Either you're being facetious, or you're clueless.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   11:12:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#58. To: lucysmom (#45)

Either you're being facetious, or you're clueless.

I'm being very serious and you're being very puerile. It appears that you see yourself as completely innocent in all this. A perpetual victim of the aggression of others when you often times start the interactions with taunts and baits.

You can't taunt others and expect to be treated with respect. What, are you yukon's wife or something?

We The People  posted on  2011-12-10 11:06:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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