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Title: Philip Pilkington: Libertarianism and the Leap of Faith – The Origins of a Political Cult
Source: Naked Capitalism
URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011 ... igins-of-a-political-cult.html
Published: Dec 7, 2011
Author: Philip Pilkington
Post Date: 2011-12-07 09:29:50 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 26972
Comments: 65

You wanted God’s ideas about what was best for you to coincide with your ideas, but you also wanted him to be the almighty Creator of heaven and earth so that he could properly fulfil your wish. And yet, if he were to share your ideas, he would cease to be the almighty Father.

– Søren Kierkegaard

Political cults often have the strangest and most obscure origins. Take Marxism, for example. Today it is well-known that Marxist doctrine essentially sprang out of the obscure 19th century economic debates over the source of ‘value’. By ‘proving’ – that is, lifting the assumption from classical political economy – that all ‘value’ came from labour, Karl Marx went on to show that it was therefore only logical to assume the existence of something called ‘surplus value’ that was sucked out of labourers by a parasitic capitalist class. From out of this obscure debate flowed an awesome political movement – and a tyranny to match.

What is less well-known is that today’s most popular political cult – that is, libertarianism – was born in very similar circumstances; it too, arrived into the world out of the obscure 19th century debates over economic ‘value’. But before we explore this in any detail it might be appropriate to speculate a little on what characterises a political cult and why so many of these find their sustenance in economic theories of value.

What is a Political Cult and Why Do they Often Love Economic Value Theory?

A political cult is characterised by a political or economic doctrine that answers all the ‘big questions’ about life, the world and everything else. The doctrine that is handed down is then to be conceived of as a way to live one’s life – a project, handed down from Mount Sinai, that one is under the moral obligation to spread far and wide. This is why we refer to these movements as cults. And it is this that gives them such an awesome status in the glazed eyes of their devotees.

Under such circumstances, politics becomes a sort of religious calling. In these doctrines there is usually an ‘Evil Being’ who is opposing the spread of the ‘Good’ on earth and it is these that are to blame for all the bad things in the world. In Marxism this Evil Being is the capitalist; in libertarianism it is the figure who is at different times referred to as the ‘collectivist’, the ‘liberal’ or the ‘socialist’. Needless to say that, since these figures are usually ones of Extreme Evil they must be ‘liquidated’ or ‘eliminated’ at the first possible opportunity lest they spread their Demonic Gospel to the masses.

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#18. To: mininggold (#16)

Why woud you post something that's so obviously out of date.

Because the truth is always in style.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-07   16:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#1)

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp. Not only does this allow the devotees to feel ‘special’, in modern political cults it also gives them practical, albeit ‘secret’ advice about what they should do in their day-to-day lives. (Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example). Does that not describe you Eric?

Hardly. The information I put out there, is widely available, historically supported, easily verified.

I put out THE TRUTH.

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp.

You, OTOH, are perfectly described by this quote. Your knee-jerk socialism, where you think you can dictate how much other earn, how much money is "too much," and how others should spend their hard-earned money, is your game. You think you have the secret formula for how others should earn their money, how they should SPEND it, how they should invest it, etcetera.

ANYONE who disagrees with your bullshit views are labled as "greedy," or some equally stupid word, which demonstrates your gross ignorance, instead of their character.

(Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example).

QUESTION: What has been the historical medium of money for over 3000 years?

ANSWER: Gold and silver. Not "certificates," but PHYSICAL gold and silver.

QUESTION: WHY do you think it is, that national banks all over the world are buying gold in massive quantities?

ANSWER: Because they're the natural store of value that fiat currencies lack.

QUESTION: WHAT is the natural result of all fiat currencies, eventually (100% consistent record)?

ANSWER: Complete devaluation to the intrinsic value of the paper it's printed on.

QUESTION: WHY should someone be labled a "front-man" because he advocates that people take steps to PRESERVE WHAT THEY'VE WORKED ALL THEIR LIFE TO ACQUIRE???

ANSWER: Because you're one STUPID bitch, who prefers to swallow the propaganda... and HATES that the rest of us aren't as stupid and gullible as you are.

I take great comfort, knowing that the future is going to give you everything you so rightfully deserve... and it's gonna' give it to you, good and hard.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-07   21:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)

Hardly. The information I put out there, is widely available, historically supported, easily verified.

I put out THE TRUTH.

OK, let's look at an example of your "truth".

QUESTION: What has been the historical medium of money for over 3000 years?

ANSWER: Gold and silver. Not "certificates," but PHYSICAL gold and silver.

I'm sure YOU believe your answer to be correct, however it is not. Gold and silver have been "a", not "the" medium of exchange on and off through history.

Historically shells, cattle, copper, bronze, and leather were used as a mediums of exchange; paper money was used in 9th century China.

In England

King Henry the First produced sticks of polished wood, with notches cut along one edge to signify the denominations. The stick was then split full length so each piece still had a record of the notches.

The King kept one half for proof against counterfeiting, and then spent the other half into the market place where it would continue to circulate as money.

Because only Tally Sticks were accepted by Henry for payment of taxes, there was a built in demand for them, which gave people confidence to accept these as money.

He could have used anything really, so long as the people agreed it had value, and his willingness to accept these sticks as legal tender made it easy for the people to agree. Money is only as valuable as peoples faith in it, and without that faith even today's money is just paper.

The tally stick system worked really well for 726 years. It was the most successful form of currency in recent history and the British Empire was actually built under the Tally Stick system...

www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-07   22:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#20) (Edited)

QUESTION: What has been the historical medium of money for over 3000 years?

ANSWER: Gold and silver. Not "certificates," but PHYSICAL gold and silver.

I'm sure YOU believe your answer to be correct, however it is not. Gold and silver have been "a", not "the" medium of exchange on and off through history.

Thank you for demonstrating my point to a "T."

YOU are not interested in any facts which contradict your foolish opinions.

I couldn't have proven the point better, if I tried.

Thanks for playing, you stupid, STUPID sheep. Now go back to the more entertaining fiction commonly referred to as the "evening news," and be content in your dull stupidity, until they shear you as the idiot sheep you really are.

Oh, and BTW, your linked "source" is bogus, because it doesn't go back nearly far enough. Nice try, bitch, but you fail. AGAIN.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-07   23:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lucysmom (#20)

The tally stick system worked really well for 726 years. It was the most successful form of currency in recent history and the British Empire was actually built under the Tally Stick system...

You must have got him good as all he can do AGAIN is blubber around in his usual name calling mode.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-08   1:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)

Eric: I am YOU are not interested in any facts which contradict your foolish opinions.

There; corrected that sentence of yours enough to make it a true statement.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   4:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

Eric: I am YOU are not interested in any facts which contradict your foolish opinions.

There; corrected that sentence of yours enough to make it a true statement.

Mike. That is not a true statement. Eric deals in facts regularly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-08   7:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#18)

Here is what you wrote:

Leaders are elected to serve short terms, 2 to 4 years. They don't have the lawful authority to offer money beyond their term in office.

Please explain how a letter written by Jefferson to Madison establishes a "lawful authority".

Thomas Jefferson wrote it so it is the law. :)

It is natural law and common sense. You are a disadvantage so I won't pick on you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-08   8:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#24)

Mike. That is not a true statement. Eric deals in facts regularly.

What do you think of CE's response to my post. Would you call it on topic? Is that the sort of debate you wish to encourage?

Thanks for playing, you stupid, STUPID sheep. Now go back to the more entertaining fiction commonly referred to as the "evening news," and be content in your dull stupidity, until they shear you as the idiot sheep you really are.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-08   11:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mininggold, Capitalist Eric (#22)

You must have got him good as all he can do AGAIN is blubber around in his usual name calling mode.

Another example of the "facts" he posts, and the "truth" he deals in daily.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-08   11:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#24) (Edited)

Mike. That is not a true statement. Eric deals in facts regularly.

Too bad you haven't learned to discern 'facts' from 'opinion' yet. Maybe you should take some remedial courses while you are laid up.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-08   11:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#24)

"That is not a true statement. Eric deals in facts regularly."

He also likes to try to taunt and bait. What I say is true.

He only deals in facts if he likes someone's politics. Quid proquo, he gets what he gives.

Or are you going to start lecturing to him too about how I deal in facts and he should stop acting like I don't? Heh, you are never worried when he gives worse to Lucysmom or others in here, just when people like me do.

Which is my point. Thanks for walking into that display of your double standard. Now, go ahead and do the other half of that, warn me not to and leave him alone when he does this, like you like to do.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   11:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mininggold (#28)

"Too bad you haven't yet you haven't learned to discern 'facts' from 'opinion' yet. Maybe you should take some remedial courses while you are laid up."

Eric is like Murron in the strong desire to drive away political opponents and seeing how much he can control and influence the process.

Stone does not like his buddy's balls being busted, but he doesn't care if it happens to those he doesn't agree with very often.

It's one of the ways he thinks is a smart way to manage his forum.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   11:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#30) (Edited)

I call them internet paper thugs.

And they don't appear to be appealing to many if the appearance of this forum is any indication.

There's more support for Ron Paul on DU than this forum.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-08   12:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mininggold (#31)

And they don't appear to be appealing to many if the appearance of this forum is any indication.

What would the elite be doing on a popular site?

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-08   12:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom, mininggold (#32)

"What would the elite be doing on a popular site?"

Eric does not want status posters here in any greater number unless they are willing to agree with him and can occasionally 'admire' his perceived intellect.

If Stone wishes, he can do a to/from search and find I was more then civil to this Eric character when he first came and never got reciprocity unless it involved how I took on the now departed for the most part Mad Dog.

Stone also has too much vested interest in grooming people like HQ and Eric to worry about whether he has a double standard or not, or to notice my taunt back at this joker is far milder and is done to make the point he walked into.

I didn't expect Eric to notice it as he has me on bozo. So, why would I waste my time with a mild retort unless I was making a point? ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   12:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#32)

What would the elite be doing on a popular site?

They would be wasting their precious time mainly preaching to the choir on this one.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-08   12:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#31)

"I call them internet paper thugs."

Well, they certainly are tow dimensional enough to rate that appellation.

Stone also likes HQ's pick on the President's daughters tabloid thread and other threads almost that pointless and lynch grade fare tailor made to encourage discussion among conservatives like him ,and to discourage participation of those he least agrees with politically and socially.

How this place is run has a strong influence on how many and how often people come to this Internet venue. And Eric does not want it bigger a forum if it gets in the way of his egocentric games.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   12:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#35)

How this place is run has a strong influence on how many and how often people come to this Internet venue.

Having too many posters with varied viewpoints taxes Stones ability to moderate opinion here.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-08   12:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike, mininggold, lucysmom, CapitalistEric, A K A Stone (#29)

He also likes to try to taunt and bait.

In all fairness, Eric was taunted from the very first post of this thread. He is being deliberately taunted by lucysmom with these 'libertarianism is a cult' and similar articles and that has been going on for at least a week. In fact, the last 5 'Cult Watch' articles have been posted by lucysmom and concern libertarianism as a cult. In many of those threads she either mentions Eric or pings him directly in her very first post. Do the search and see for yourself. Eric is not the only one who taunts and baits here.

Then she cries to Stone about the treatment she gets due to her own taunting.

What if we all stopped taunting? Wouldn't that be great?

Like all cults they provide an anchor for their devotees with which they can fasten themselves to a rigid doctrine. They also typically lend their devotees a Holier-Than-Thou attitude as they provide them with ‘secrets’ that those outside of the cult cannot grasp. Not only does this allow the devotees to feel ‘special’, in modern political cults it also gives them practical, albeit ‘secret’ advice about what they should do in their day-to-day lives. (Think of the advice to buy gold or foreign stocks coming out of certain libertarian front men, for example).

Does that not describe you Eric?

We The People  posted on  2011-12-08   21:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: We The People (#37)

In fact, the last 5 'Cult Watch' articles have been posted by lucysmom and concern libertarianism as a cult.

Thanks for the heads up. That is for real cults.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-08   22:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)

Thanks for the heads up. That is for real cults.

The word cult is frequently used to describe radical political groups on the left as well as on the right. Please don't take my word for it, but check it out for yourself.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-08   23:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: We The People (#37)

Then she cries to Stone about the treatment she gets due to her own taunting.

Just the fact that you can write the above speaks volumes.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-08   23:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#40)

I believe he believes most non-christian faiths are cults.

If you asked him what a cult is, I would not be surprised if he answered, well, cults are cults, and crap that are not cults are not cults.

There is an official definition of cults in the science of Sociology, but I kow he doesn't know it, and would take issue with it if he did,

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-08   23:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom (#40)

Just the fact that you can write the above speaks volumes.

You nasty bully you. Shame on you for picking on that gallant male rescuer of foreign women looking for a ticket to the states.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-09   1:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lucysmom (#40) (Edited)

Just the fact that you can write the above speaks volumes.

The truth always does speak volumes.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=26380&Disp=26#C26

At that link, there you are complaining to Stone about the treatment you've brought upon yourself.

lucysmom to A K A Stone: "What do you think of CE's response to my post. Would you call it on topic? Is that the sort of debate you wish to encourage?"

You taunt others then go to Stone with their responses. If you stopped taunting and baiting others, with thread after thread, you'd likely not get that sort of response.

Think of Newton's 3rd law.

Of course, this is me assuming that you'd like to 'up' the level of discourse here and not drag in down into junior high.

We The People  posted on  2011-12-09   6:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#39)

The word cult is frequently used to describe radical political groups on the left as well as on the right. Please don't take my word for it, but check it out for yourself.

Yeah Mormons and Jim Jones would be cults from the right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-09   7:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People (#43)

At that link, there you are complaining to Stone about the treatment you've brought upon yourself.

Yes, indeedie, I did do that.

Of course, this is me assuming that you'd like to 'up' the level of discourse here and not drag in down into junior high.

Either you're being facetious, or you're clueless.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   11:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Yeah Mormons and Jim Jones would be cults from the right.

The KKK is an example of a radical right cult.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   11:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lucysmom (#46)

The KKK is an example of a radical right cult.

The KKK is leftist. Founded by democrats. Just like freedom4um.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-09   11:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#42)

You nasty bully you. Shame on you for picking on that gallant male rescuer of foreign women looking for a ticket to the states.

I guess I should be grateful the exalted one notices a tv watching, stupid, wretch such as myself, at all.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   11:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#47)

The KKK is leftist. Founded by democrats. Just like freedom4um.

the old Southern Democrats now rule the Republican Party

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-09   11:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#47)

The KKK is leftist. Founded by democrats. Just like freedom4um.

Of course Stone. What was I thinking (smacks self on forehead).

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   11:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom (#48)

I guess I should be grateful the exalted one notices a tv watching, stupid, wretch such as myself, at all.

He's like Rush, an all seeing, all knowing Maharaja. He knows every step you make sort of like a stalker.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-09   11:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#44) (Edited)

Yeah Mormons and Jim Jones would be cults from the right.

I agree. Jim Jones was using the Kibbutz model for his church plantation down in Guyana, and was a past member of the Communist party. This certainly passes for the current type of 'conservatism' that's in vogue.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-12-09   11:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Yeah Mormons and Jim Jones would be cults from the right.

You are correct

Mormonism and Politics -- A Libertarian View
Part of God's plan includes free will, which invites us to take responsibility for ourselves and not rely on government.

In Latter-day Saint belief, we lived with God, our Father, as spirits before we were born. In this pre-mortal existence, God presented a plan in which each of us would come to earth to be tested. Part of this plan included agency -- the freedom to act as we wished, without coercion, and to be personally responsible for our actions.

www.patheos.com/Resources...s-A-Libertarian-View.html

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   11:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#53)

You are correct

Of course I am.

Here is what eles I am correct about.

Romney is a better person then Obama is. Obama is walking talking piece of shit.

If Romney gets the nomination, I expect to vote for him to get rid of the shit face in the white house.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-12-09   11:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#54)

If Romney gets the nomination, I expect to vote for him to get rid of the shit face in the white house.

Thank you for sharing.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-12-09   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

He also likes to try to taunt and bait. What I say is true.

You (wrongly) assume that I get a kick out of doing the "taunt and bait" bullshit.

If that were true, I'd have to change my screen-name to "ferret mike," aka "rat- boy."

The truth is, I simply express my utter contempt for you socialist, parasite fools.

I don't GAS whether you like it or not. I'll go even further, and say I don't GAS whether you live or die. I think you morons will suffer the latter fate, by and large, because you're incapable of taking responsibility for your own actions, and you're immune to logic and reason. "Common sense," for you leftists, is not so common.

And THAT is why you stupid, STUPID sheeple will enjoy the fate you so richly deserve.

And that makes me very happy.

He only deals in facts if he likes someone's politics.

As usual, you think this is a L vs. R situation we're in... How incredibly short-sighted. How incredibly STUPID.

To use someone else's quote (I don't remember where), "if the government has it's boot on your neck, does it really matter whether it's the right boot or the left?"

GROW UP.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-12-09   13:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Capitalist Eric (#56)

And I wouldn't have any trouble eating popcorn at your funeral either, wannabe.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-12-09   20:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#45)

Either you're being facetious, or you're clueless.

I'm being very serious and you're being very puerile. It appears that you see yourself as completely innocent in all this. A perpetual victim of the aggression of others when you often times start the interactions with taunts and baits.

You can't taunt others and expect to be treated with respect. What, are you yukon's wife or something?

We The People  posted on  2011-12-10   11:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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