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Title: Obama Now Blames The Internet For Job Losses
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Real Clear Politics
URL Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi ... e_internet_for_job_losses.html
Published: Dec 6, 2011
Author: The Magic Negro
Post Date: 2011-12-06 16:23:37 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 18939
Comments: 55
"Layoffs too often became permanent, not part of the business cycle. And these changes didn't just affect blue collar workers. If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the internet," President Obama said at a campaign event in Kansas.
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#2. To: jwpegler (#0)
Sounds like just the facts to me. Email and other Internet functions have hurt the busin3ss of the U.S. Postal Service, banks, travel agents, and many other job niches. That always happens when such a profound change in technology takes place. cars hur the blacksmith and livery trade and meant the end of many uses of the horse. Freight trains with containers that could be carried by trucks hurt job importunities for truck driving jobs, self service gasoline purchases hurt job opportunities for entry level gas pumping employment, cell phone hurt telephone lineman and other hardline infrastructure employment. Do you actually have a good point here? I aske because I'm not seeing it.
It's called progress. The jobs and wealth created by new technologies has far surpassed any job dislocations that they caused. Yes, the good point here is that no one blamed ATM machines for job losses in the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s. Yet 30 years after ATMs became commonplace, Obama is blaming them for HIS miserable failure as President. Again, winners take responsibility for their mistakes and losers blame others. Obama is a complete loser. That's the good point here, whether or not you are smart enough to see it.
President Obama obviously knows the same thing. That is obvious, and I am always quite smart enough to see that. Your posturing in where you infer he doesn't has no corroboration to it.
You are missing the point. Let me say it really, really slow so that you can understand. WINNERS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN MISTAKES. LOSERS BLAME OTHERS. OBAMA IS BLAMING THE INTERNET, ATM MACHINES, JAPANESE EARTHQUAKES, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IMAGINABLE FOR THE ROTTEN ECONOMY. OBAMA IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER LOSER RIGHT DOWN THERE WITH JIMMY CARTER. That is the point that I've now repeated three times on this thread.
President only mentions the fact that some jobs have been lost due to the development of the Internet. You do not demonstrate he is doing anymore then stating what for all intents and purposes is a stipulated fact. He knows opportunity lost is also opportunity gained. He knows full well that when a door closes, often two open to replace it. So unless you have a citation to material that proves your black contention of doom, you are just spinning your wheels here.
So what? Not backing up your doom and gloom accusations three times just means you have no material to cite to prove your point. yelling with caps also proves nothing.
How has he demonstrated that he knows this??? He hasn't. You are projecting your understanding on him. It's very clear that Obama is trying to convince Americans that poor economy is no fault of his own, which is why he blames the internet and ATM machines. Fortunately, one of the great things about the internet is that it has destroyed the monopoly that the establishment east coast media had on disseminating national and international news. So, very few people are buying his B.S.
He hasn't. You are projecting your understanding on him." No, I am stating an obvious fact, that someone who was so savvy in his use of the Internet to get elected knows full well that new technologies and businesses rising from the ashes of the old dead and lost ones mean new jobs. If this is not so, prove it with a citation to such proof. Otherwise, you are just projecting your dislike of him in a way that does not have a foundation of facts.
I can't stand this globalist/communist...but the fact is, the stage was set way before he took office by another group of global/communist/traitors...Clinton and Gingrich, with all the "free trade" deals they FORCED down the throats of the American populace. Ross Perot was 100% correct. Businesses were forced to go off shore or shut their doors. The country with the highest standard of living was FORCED to compete with 3rd world communist dictatorships where the peasants are more than happy tho work for $25.00 per week. Now we get to send money, we don't have, to countries that are gay/lesbian/transsexual friendly. These globalists have hollowed out this once great country, they have bankrupted the people, they've stolen our wealth, shipped our jobs overseas, they've collapsed the real estate market and they are in the process of wiping out what is left of the middle class...and the American people still believe there's a difference in the republicans and the democrats. Ron Paul is THE ONLY man that's not in the pockets of these global communists.
The commercial internet has been with use since the early 1990s. Why didn't they destroy jobs during the Reagan and Clinton administrations??? Lol! Good question...
Somewhere in the last 30 years we took a very wrong turn. Think about Wall Street's role in society. It's important, but very, very narrow. They provide money to established companies to expand their business. Wall Street doesn't provide money to start companies. That money comes from the founder's savings, his/her friends and family, angel investors and venture capital firms. Wall Street provides money to established companies. That's it. Yet, somehow in the last 30 years or so, Wall Street became the tail wagging the dog. The politicians started focusing on how to make the stock market and bond market happy, rather than focusing on how to spur technological innovation and job creation in America. America still innovates a lot -- more than any other country. But then we send the innovations overseas to be built elsewhere. I am for free trade. I am for the global economy. Americans are capable of competing with anyone anywhere. WE DON'T NEED LOW WAGES TO DO SO. We can out produce them with our productivity, based on our technological prowess. But our politicians have destroyed our competitive environment with their 78,000 page tax code and ever mounting regulations. That's the real problem.
Where is he blaming the lack of job growth since he has been President to ATM's and the internet?
Americans are capable of competing with anyone anywhere. WE DON'T NEED LOW WAGES TO DO SO. Oh it just so happens that we saw jobs and manufacturing move to third world countries AT THE SAME TIME we loosen restrictions on trade?
Read the article. If you want more examples, just Google them. DUH...
Read my entire response. The loss of jobs DID NOT correspond to free trade agreements. The loss of jobs were a result of idiot government tax and regulatory policies.
Good question... Yep, and there isn't any answer from the left. Privately, I'll bet that every Democrat Congressman is shitting their pants having to run on the same ticket as this loser in 2012. They are either: culpable, stupid, or cowards.
jwp...thanks for the thoughtful response, however history has proved you wrong on this. Not only is it 3rd world wages we can't compete with, but OSHA, EPA, EEOC and a million other rules and regs that don't have to be met in these other countries. I'm ABSOLUTELY for global trade...BUT with high tariffs. that's how this country ran for centuries. It brought manufacturing TO this country. We now have a country that is run by and for these global corporations...at the expense of our freedoms and national sovereignty.
You've told me I'm wrong but you just agreed with me... We can't compete because of our tax code and all of the regulations from OSHA, EPA, EEOC and a million other rules and regs that don't have to be met in these other countries... That's what I said. It's the truth. We agree. American entrepreuers and workers can out compete anyone, anywhere. The reason we are not doing so is due to the U.S. government's rules and regulations.
The loss of jobs were a result of idiot government tax and regulatory policies. If you look at a graph of the trade deficit, you will see that we only started run ning large deficits in the 1990's.
If you want more examples, just Google them. What article? I want a valid example of Obama blaming our job losses on technology. This wasn't one of them.
What makes YOU think anyone is owed a "job?" Did you or anyone sign a contract with an employer that your job was secured forever while technology is churning along? The banking industry, the paper book industry, the mailing industry, the computer industry, the food industry, the clothing industry, the software industry, the hardware industry, the automobile industry, the energy industry is changing every second by computer automation. You are another dumbfuck, just like the channel manager. You have to compete in the marketplace to get ahead.
The one that started this thread. Are you retarded or what?
Nope, The U.S. started running constant trade deficits in 1976. The last time we had a trade surplus was 1975. They got really big very fast.
0bama is correct. The US economy is increasingly being displaced because of modern technologies. Everyone of us, in order to stay on top, MUST stay appraised of their respective fields by methods of licensing, certifications, recognized academic diplomas and frequent training classes. For those that sat on the couch watching TV, they are 20 years behind the times.
The article, dummy, was a video of the speech and didn't give additional examples.
And whose fault is that??? The first thing you said is wrong. The last thing you said is right. Innovation creates opportunity. The problem is that MOST Americans are not prepared for the opportunity because they are trapped in a government monopoly school system that is completely incapable of preparing them for the world in which they live.
To each, their own just rewards. So, we have a bridge of compliance on some level. Now, explain what "first thing" ...
I've owned my own business for over 33 years moron. NO ONE OWES me anything...nor do I owe ANYTHING...it's ALL paid for. It's not brain surgery...no one can compete with Communist China's wages...PERIOD! if you want to live in a 3rd world country, MOVE...or just wait around here a little longer...that's where we're headed. Enjoy your collapsed home values because all the jobs are over seas. You go compete at $25.00 a week...IDIOT!
How about a convincing argument besides playing a game of moronic logical fallacies?
0bama is correct. The US economy is increasingly being displaced because of modern technologies. Obama is incorrect in blaming technology for the rotten state of the economy. The rotten state of the economy rests squarely on Obama's shoulder's as well as George Bush's and all other big spending, micro-managing politicians. Everyone of us, in order to stay on top, MUST stay appraised of their respective fields by methods of licensing, certifications, recognized academic diplomas and frequent training classes. 100% correct. For those that sat on the couch watching TV, they are 20 years behind the times. Also 100% correct. The new world requires that people continually learn and upgrade their skills. If someone is more interested in watching the boob tube, versus learning something new, then it's their problem when their future collapses in on itself. I LOVE my work. I live for my work. My work is my passion, People who only work so that they can go bowling on Tuesday nights are in big trouble. And it's their fault.
That's what I said. It's the truth. We agree. On this we agree...The playing fields are certainly NOT level...wages are a part of that scenario.
Yeah they became very large of all sudden in 1990's after the trade agreements. It also looks like it grew somewhat in the 1980's. Maybe that has something to do with all the new regulations and tax increases being enacted during Reagan. I don't know.
That is a mis-characterization of his point. He has described a significant technology change is all. It has been on-going since the 1980s and it is hitting home. You and I differ on your own presentation.
Let's say that you live in the third world. You can produce one thing an hour. You get paid $1 an hour. Let's say that you live in America. You get paid $10 an hour but you can produce 12 things a hour. Who is more valuable? Do the math. America is the most productive society in the world. The reason that we can't compete is because of the government's convoluted tax and regulatory systems. It's all about the rotten government.
I don't remember pinging you to ANY post I made. If I've lead you, in any way, to believe I GAS what you "think", you are strangely deluded. I don't waste my time with dullards.
As I said, the last trade surplus we had was in 1975. Things never change overnight. One can't snap their fingers and redirect 300 million people in a $15 trillion economy overnight. The seed are sewn. It takes a while to build momentum. Then the situation become impossible. The seeds of our destruction were sewn 30 to 40 years ago. Now the situation is impossible.
0bama is correct. It is inescapable about what he said concerning truth of the changing world around us.
FUCK YOU and YOUR MEMORY. This is a publick channel. I shall join ANY thread or topic I FUCKING FEEL LIKE, pal.
The seeds of our destruction were sewn 30 to 40 years ago. Now the situation is impossible. Yawn.. The deficit went up and down and then waaaay up soon after the trade agreements. Look at 1999. Also during this time more and more of our deficit was made up of companies moving to third world countries especially China.
Agreed 100%. But it also becomes a national security issue when we can't even make the planes, tanks, bullets, clothing and supplies our troops need in time of war...what happens when we go into the next war and we are UNABLE the supply the needs of our soldiers. Not only have the factories moved, but the tools and dies are no longer here to make this stuff. I live near NC and this area has been destroyed because the textile and furniture industry has moved off shore...look at Detroit, at one time, it was fabulously wealthy..., look at the value of real estate across the country. Do you realize we have to outsource the bullets we are using in Iraq...and most of the clothing is made in China?
a big pile of crap versus a smaller pile of crap... when was the last time that we didn't have any crap (a trade deficit) at all??? 1975. It took a while to get to 1975.
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#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
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Email and other Internet functions have hurt the busin3ss of the U.S. Postal Service, banks, travel agents, and many other job niches. Do you actually have a good point here? I aske because I'm not seeing it.
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#4. To: jwpegler (#3)
"The jobs and wealth created by new technologies has far surpassed any job dislocations that they caused."
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
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President Obama obviously knows the same thing. That is obvious,
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#6. To: jwpegler (#5)
#7. To: jwpegler (#5)
"That is the point that I've now repeated three times on this thread."
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
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He knows opportunity lost is also opportunity gained.
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#9. To: jwpegler (#8)
"How has he demonstrated that he knows this?
#10. To: jwpegler (#0)
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#11. To: jwpegler (#1)
ATM machines have been around since the late 1970s.
#12. To: freedomsnotfree (#10)
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Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#13. To: jwpegler (#1)
#14. To: jwpegler (#12)
I am for free trade. I am for the global economy.
#15. To: NewsJunky (#13)
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Where is he blaming the lack of job growth since he has been President to ATM's and the internet?
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#16. To: NewsJunky (#14)
Oh it just so happens that we saw jobs and manufacturing move to third world countries AT THE SAME TIME we loosen restrictions on trade?
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#17. To: Thunderbird (#11)
Lol!
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#18. To: jwpegler (#12)
#19. To: freedomsnotfree (#18)
history has proved you wrong on this. Not only is it 3rd world wages we can't compete with, but OSHA, EPA, EEOC and a million other rules and regs that don't have to be met in these other countries
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#20. To: jwpegler (#16)
The loss of jobs DID NOT correspond to free trade agreements.
#21. To: jwpegler (#15)
Read the article.
#22. To: freedomsnotfree (#10)
[they] shipped jobs overseas
#23. To: NewsJunky (#21)
What article?
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#24. To: NewsJunky (#20)
If you look at a graph of the trade deficit, you will see that we only started running large deficits in the 1990's.
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#25. To: jwpegler (#23)
#26. To: jwpegler (#23)
Are you retarded or what?
#27. To: buckeroo (#25)
For those that sat on the couch watching TV, they are 20 years behind the times.
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#28. To: jwpegler (#27)
And whose fault is that???
The first thing you said is wrong. The last thing you said is right.
#29. To: buckeroo (#22)
#30. To: freedomsnotfree (#29)
I've owned my own business for over 33 years moron.
#31. To: buckeroo (#28)
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Now, explain what "first thing" ...
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#32. To: jwpegler (#19)
We can't compete because of our tax code and all of the regulations from OSHA, EPA, EEOC and a million other rules and regs that don't have to be met in these other countries...
#33. To: jwpegler (#24)
They got really big very fast.
#34. To: jwpegler (#31)
Obama is incorrect in blaming technology for the rotten state of the economy.
#35. To: freedomsnotfree (#32)
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On this we agree...The playing fields are certainly NOT level...wages are a part of that scenario.
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#36. To: buckeroo (#30)
#37. To: NewsJunky (#33)
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
#38. To: jwpegler (#31)
Pegler's article: Layoffs too often became permanent, not part of the business cycle. And these changes didn't just affect blue collar workers. If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the internet," President Obama said at a campaign event in Kansas.
#39. To: freedomsnotfree (#36)
I don't remember pinging you to ANY post I made.
#40. To: jwpegler (#37)
he seed are sewn. It takes a while to build momentum. Then the situation become impossible.
#41. To: jwpegler (#35)
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It's all about the rotten government.
#42. To: NewsJunky (#40)
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The deficit went up and down
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
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