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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Video and Audio See other Video and Audio Articles Title: UC Davis Pepper Spray Incident, Four Perspectives Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Nov 23, 2011 Author: waxpancake Post Date: 2011-11-23 01:15:52 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 56046 Comments: 79 Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-11) not displayed.       .       .       . #12. To: Thunderbird (#10) That is not a road. It is a walking path as far as I can tell. The cop car takes up over half of the road. When a lot of people are protesting it is going to block some people. So what. If they people were attacking someone. Or damaging someones property. They might have a cause. But sitting there with locked arms is a peaceful protest. Most cops I've encountered are scumbag liars. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   16:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Thunderbird (#10) Also just because a cop car is there doesn't mean it is a public road. I've seen cop cars in the grass before. It wasn't a road. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   16:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) The kids sat down in the road to block the police from doing their job, they were told what the consequences would be if they didn't move, they were even given time to prepare themselves, before they were sprayed. Pepper spray causes temporary discomfort and is quite effective at breaking down passive resistance to lawful orders. This might as well have been a text book example of how to apply minimal force to remove obstructors. -btw I am amused by all the media reports that the police were 'caught' doing this, considering how every one there was recording the event. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   17:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Thunderbird (#14) The kids sat down in the road to block the police from doing their job, they were told what the consequences would be if they didn't move, they were even given time to prepare themselves, before they were sprayed. Pepper spray causes temporary discomfort and is quite effective at breaking down passive resistance to lawful orders. This might as well have been a text book example of how to apply minimal force to remove obstructors. The constitution trumps any and all laws to the contrary. They were peacefully protesting. On a walkway paid for with tax dollars. Most cops suck. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: A K A Stone (#15) If you watch the video the police do not go after anyone that isn't blocking their egress. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to obstruct anyone..something these punks learned the hard way. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   17:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Thunderbird (#16) (Edited) If you watch the video the police do not go after anyone that isn't blocking their egress. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to obstruct anyone..something these punks learned the hard way. Not true. They sprayed several people sitting in the grass. These were peaceful protesters not harming anyone. Look at all the open area. They weren't blocking anything. Show me the road they were blocking. maps.google.com/maps/ms?t...579.000454fc1db364844f84f A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Thunderbird (#16) It was a sidewalk they were sitting on. If they were in the grass you folks would be saying they weren't allowed to be in the grass because they would kill it. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited) Most cops suck. Cops who stand around watching these heinous crimes and do nothing, warrant no special badges either. Their 'blue line of silence' is a piss poor excuse for their own cowardice! jmho~ "OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work." Murron  posted on  2011-11-23   17:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Murron (#19) (Edited) A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: A K A Stone (#17) Not true. They sprayed several people sitting in the grass. Those people sitting on the grass who were sprayed had locked arms with the people sitting in the road. They were sprayed so the officers could safely remove the obstructive protesters from the road and allow their patrol car to leave. Any objective observer can see the police were not spraying people indiscriminately, in fact in a number of instances they let sprayed protesters alone once they were no longer in their way. Furthermore, by announcing well ahead of time that they were going to employ pepper spray, to the point of even getting a go ahead from one of the protest leaders, anyone who suffered the inhalation of spray did so of their own volition. Stone, you do realize the purpose of the 'sit down' was to prevent the police from leaving don't you? Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   20:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: A K A Stone (#18) If they were in the grass you folks would be saying they weren't allowed to be in the grass because they would kill it. Occutards are not friendly towards the environment that is true. However, I suggest you save your moral outrage for a group and a situation more deserving. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   20:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Thunderbird (#21) Those people sitting on the grass who were sprayed had locked arms with the people sitting in the road. Show me where it is against the law to lock arms. Show me where it is against the law to sit on a sidewalk. If ten people were standing and talking on the sidewalk. They would be blocking traffic. Then they could be pepper sprayed according to you right? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   20:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Thunderbird (#21) Stone, you do realize the purpose of the 'sit down' was to prevent the police from leaving don't you? No. But does that matter. I'm not saying I agree with their goals. I just don't mind people protesting. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Thunderbird (#21) (Edited) ...with the people sitting in the road. They were not sitting on a "road"; they were sitting on one of the walkways that leads to Sproul Plaza. The nearest "road" is Bancroft Way about 2-300 yards south. I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... war  posted on  2011-11-23   20:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Thunderbird (#21) Turdbird, you apparently create your own reality. Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-23   21:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: war (#25) They were not sitting on a "road"; they were sitting on one of the walkways that leads to Sproul Plaza. They were blocking the egress of a campus patrol car..its on the video I posted. -btw Sproul Plaza is about 100 miles from this event. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   21:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Fred Mertz (#26) Chug another beer Freddie..so you'll feel like a man. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   21:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Thunderbird (#28) Chug this, tea bagger - and don't bruise your chin. Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-23   21:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Fred Mertz (#29) Lol. I'd need a microscope to find your manparts Freddie..you're strictly a receiver. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   21:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Thunderbird (#30) Lol. I'd need a microscope to find your manparts Freddie..you're strictly a receiver. And so called conservatives will always eventually get to their REAL topic of interest. "ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters. mininggold  posted on  2011-11-23   23:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: A K A Stone (#24) No. But does that matter. Of course it matters. The goal of the Occupy Davis protest was to spark a confrontation with police. Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-24   9:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Thunderbird (#27) (Edited) They were blocking the egress of a campus patrol car..its on the video I posted. -btw Sproul Plaza is about 100 miles from this event. Right. sorry. It's UC Davis. They were on the one side of Mrack Hall that that has a double walkway. ON the other side of Mrack there is a circle but they were not at the circle which is a green surrounded by a very wide - four lanes - street and also buildings - Mrack and I believe the law library. If you look at the video when the Chancellor leaves her office, she is walking on the same walkway her car as the walkway extends to the parking lot on the side of the building. Happy Thanksgiving... I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... war  posted on  2011-11-24   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Thunderbird (#32) The goal of the Occupy Davis protest was to spark a confrontation with police. Corporations can and do spend big money on lobbyists to get the ear of politicians. They also have money to buy media space to promote their agenda with the peeps, and money to fund think tanks such as The Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Family Research Council - etc. to refine their message. We call that free speech. The peeps have their bodies which they've been willing to put on the line in the form of demonstrations for the purpose of getting the ear of politicians, the media, and regular folks. This is also free speech. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   11:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: war, Thunderbird. mininggold (#33) Happy Thanksgiving. I'm going to have to side with the house liberals on this one. If we want free speech they have to have it too. They weren't violent. They were sitting peacefully in this one instance. If they can get pepper sprayed. Then using Thunderbirds logic then you can also spray people who stop walking on a sidewalk. You can spray people leaving or going to a concert or a fair. It wasn't right what the pigs did. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   11:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: lucysmom (#34) Corporations can and do spend big money on lobbyists to get the ear of politicians. They also have money to buy media space to promote their agenda with the peeps, and money to fund think tanks such as The Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Family Research Council - etc. to refine their message. We call that free speech. The peeps have their bodies which they've been willing to put on the line in the form of demonstrations for the purpose of getting the ear of politicians, the media, and regular folks. This is also free speech. In it's new contemporary form, 'Free speech' only has value if it is followed with a bribe or a reciprocal action of some sort for the purpose of doing business. It has become just another traded commodity, like most of our other 'rights' guaranteed by the constitution. "ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters. mininggold  posted on  2011-11-24   11:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: mininggold (#36) It has become just another traded commodity, like most of our other 'rights' guaranteed by the Unbelievable isn't it. Just recently the libs tried to take free speech away. The supremes slapped them down though. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   11:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#37) Unbelievable isn't it. Just recently the libs tried to take free speech away. The supremes slapped them down though. Do you think people have the right to know who is speaking? That got slapped down too. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   12:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: lucysmom (#38) Do you think people have the right to know who is speaking? No. Why do you want to change your screen name to your real name? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   12:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: A K A Stone (#37) Unbelievable isn't it. Just recently the libs tried to take free speech away. The supremes slapped them down though. You mean that system of corporate bribery masking as individual rights that was created out of whole cloth, a few years ago? "ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters. mininggold  posted on  2011-11-24   12:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Thunderbird (#30) Lol. I'd need a microscope to find your manparts Freddie..you're strictly a receiver. Freddies get a boob job for more oral sucking sex ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys ! BorisY  posted on  2011-11-24   12:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: BorisY, Thunderbird (#41) Lol. I'd need a microscope to find your manparts Freddie..you're strictly a receiver. Freddies get a boob job for more oral sucking sex ! Careful guys, your obsession is showing. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   13:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: A K A Stone (#39) Why do you want to change your screen name to your real name? Too many posters on your forum have wished me death. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   13:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: lucysmom, BorisY (#43) Too many posters on your forum have wished me death. I remember when Boris's grandaughter died a few years ago and she said that there were so many posters on LP who deserved to die first. But then she's a member of that elitist tribe of chosen people, who evidently felt she was being unfairly singled out by God. "ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters. mininggold  posted on  2011-11-24   13:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: mininggold (#44) I remember when Boris's grandaughter died a few years ago and she said that there were so many posters on LP who deserved to die first. It must be beyond heartbreaking to lose a grandchild, however, I can't imagine how spreading the grief around does good for anyone. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   13:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: lucysmom (#45) Maybe I told you because her name was Lucy ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys ! BorisY  posted on  2011-11-24   14:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: lucysmom (#45) It must be beyond heartbreaking to lose a grandchild, however, I can't imagine how spreading the grief around does good for anyone. I agree. "ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters. mininggold  posted on  2011-11-24   14:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: mininggold (#40) You mean that system of corporate bribery masking as individual rights that was created out of whole cloth, a few years ago? No. I am talking about the first amendment. Where congress is prohibited from making any law the restricts free speech. A constitutionalist you are not. Keep spinning all you like. Real Americans know what free speech is. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   14:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: lucysmom (#43) Too many posters on your forum have wished me death. So you agree with me. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   14:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: lucysmom, mininggold, BorisY, A K A Stone, ALL (#45) lucysmom: "I remember when Boris's grandaughter died a few years ago and she said that there were so many posters on LP who deserved to die first. But then she's a member of that elitist tribe of chosen people, who evidently felt she was being unfairly singled out by God." mininggold: "It must be beyond heartbreaking to lose a grandchild, however, I can't imagine how spreading the grief around does good for anyone." I'm sorry to hear about your g-daughter Boris, you have my heartfelt sympathy. I have 4 g-children of my own and could not imagine my grief if we were to lose one. You two shameless SKANKS never seem to amaze me with your ignorance, your stupidity, your cold hearted insensitivity, I would have thought by now the two of you could not stoop any lower, I was wrong. This man's g-child, if guilty of anything, like all of us, her offences during her lifetime will carry their own punishment and it will be God Himself who passes judgement upon her, not two faceless internet whores with an axe to grind. The two of you really should worry more about the heaps of hot coals that will be poured down upon you for this attack you waged upon this mans dead grandaughter, and his grieving heart. JMHO! "OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work." Murron  posted on  2011-11-24   16:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: A K A Stone (#48) No. I am talking about the first amendment. Where congress is prohibited from making any law the restricts free speech. A constitutionalist you are not. Keep spinning all you like. Real Americans know what free speech is. Free speech rights are for human beings. A corporation is a entity brought into being by contract, not birth. Although corporations were not mentioned once in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, Thomas Jefferson famously noted that representative government’s purpose was “to curb the excesses of the monied interests.” Had the Founders realized how powerful corporations would become, likely they would have created checks on their power. Post-Revolution America developed largely along the ideals of Jefferson’s yeoman farmer, with American industrialism lagging behind its European counterparts. Corporations remained small institutions, chartered at the state level for specific purposes, such as banking or seafaring. Corporations could only exist for a limited time, could not make any political contributions, and could not own stock in other companies. Their owners were responsible for criminal acts committed by the corporation and the doctrine of limited liability (shielding investors from responsibility for harm and loss caused by the corporation) did not yet exist. Often corporate charters went to the wealthy or well-connected. But these small corporations did move America into the industrial era, encouraging entrepeneurism on a grander scale. Governments kept a close watch on how these corporations were being run, regularly revoking charters if corporations were not serving the public interest. For example, in 1832, President Andrew Jackson refused to extend the charter of the Second Bank of the United States and the State of Pennsylvania revoked 10 banks’ charters. Clearly the founding fathers had no intention of conferring personhood on corporations. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   16:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: A K A Stone (#49) So you agree with me. No. A corporation is not a human being. Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890 lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   16:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (53 - 79) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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