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Title: UC Davis Pepper Spray Incident, Four Perspectives
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Published: Nov 23, 2011
Author: waxpancake
Post Date: 2011-11-23 01:15:52 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: Thunderbird (#0)

How dare anyone sit on the sidewalk in America. Where do people get to thinking that they have the right to assemble like that? What? Its in the Constitution? Never mind. whataburger300 35 minutes ago

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   1:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   1:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   1:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)

How dare anyone sit on the sidewalk in America.

Sidewalk huh? I guess that explains the police cruiser that drove through after removing the 'protesters'. And whats up with the guy saying 'thats fine' after being informed the police would be using pepper spray to remove them?

Thanks for the laugh Stone.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   8:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#1)

How dare anyone sit on the sidewalk in America. Where do people get to thinking that they have the right to assemble like that? What? Its in the Constitution? Never mind. whataburger300 35 minutes ago

Davis primarily is in business to do research and come up with the next grain,fruit or vegetable that doesn't die when sprayed with every toxin known to man. How dare those protesters get in the way of Con Agra's obtaining it's next big money maker.

Hopefully they are trying to engineer a cow that produces oil instead of milk, that'll keep the donations coming.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-23   10:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Thunderbird (#4)

That is a walking path. The pigs were standing in the road too. Where are the cars?

They are blocking the road far less then after a sporting event or concert. Should I expect to get pepper sprayed after attending the next AC/DC concert?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   11:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Thunderbird (#4)

Thanks for the laugh Stone.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-23   11:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#7)

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

The Tbird considers itself part of the 'they'.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-23   11:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#8)

The Tbird considers itself part of the 'they'.

Then they is warped.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-23   11:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#6)

That is a walking path. The pigs were standing in the road too. Where are the cars?

You'll see the police car about ten yards back starting at the 8 second mark.

UC Davis campus police were given an order to take down an encampment and in the process they were obstructed by a number of protesters. The police did a great job balancing the need to maintain order with the 'students' right to protest. Its only because of a biased media, and a pusillanimous school chancelor that this story has any legs.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   13:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#7)

What..no attribution to the enthusiastic Nazi clergyman who penned them?

Lolz.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   13:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Thunderbird (#10)

That is not a road. It is a walking path as far as I can tell. The cop car takes up over half of the road.

When a lot of people are protesting it is going to block some people. So what.

If they people were attacking someone. Or damaging someones property. They might have a cause. But sitting there with locked arms is a peaceful protest.

Most cops I've encountered are scumbag liars.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   16:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Thunderbird (#10)

Also just because a cop car is there doesn't mean it is a public road. I've seen cop cars in the grass before. It wasn't a road.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   16:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

The kids sat down in the road to block the police from doing their job, they were told what the consequences would be if they didn't move, they were even given time to prepare themselves, before they were sprayed. Pepper spray causes temporary discomfort and is quite effective at breaking down passive resistance to lawful orders. This might as well have been a text book example of how to apply minimal force to remove obstructors.

-btw I am amused by all the media reports that the police were 'caught' doing this, considering how every one there was recording the event.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   17:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Thunderbird (#14)

The kids sat down in the road to block the police from doing their job, they were told what the consequences would be if they didn't move, they were even given time to prepare themselves, before they were sprayed. Pepper spray causes temporary discomfort and is quite effective at breaking down passive resistance to lawful orders. This might as well have been a text book example of how to apply minimal force to remove obstructors.

The constitution trumps any and all laws to the contrary. They were peacefully protesting. On a walkway paid for with tax dollars.

Most cops suck.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

If you watch the video the police do not go after anyone that isn't blocking their egress. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to obstruct anyone..something these punks learned the hard way.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   17:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Thunderbird (#16) (Edited)

If you watch the video the police do not go after anyone that isn't blocking their egress. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to obstruct anyone..something these punks learned the hard way.

Not true. They sprayed several people sitting in the grass.

These were peaceful protesters not harming anyone. Look at all the open area. They weren't blocking anything.

Show me the road they were blocking.

maps.google.com/maps/ms?t...579.000454fc1db364844f84f

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Thunderbird (#16)

It was a sidewalk they were sitting on. If they were in the grass you folks would be saying they weren't allowed to be in the grass because they would kill it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

Most cops suck.

Cops who stand around watching these heinous crimes and do nothing, warrant no special badges either. Their 'blue line of silence' is a piss poor excuse for their own cowardice! jmho~

"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."

Murron  posted on  2011-11-23   17:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Murron (#19) (Edited)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   17:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Not true. They sprayed several people sitting in the grass.

Those people sitting on the grass who were sprayed had locked arms with the people sitting in the road. They were sprayed so the officers could safely remove the obstructive protesters from the road and allow their patrol car to leave.

Any objective observer can see the police were not spraying people indiscriminately, in fact in a number of instances they let sprayed protesters alone once they were no longer in their way.

Furthermore, by announcing well ahead of time that they were going to employ pepper spray, to the point of even getting a go ahead from one of the protest leaders, anyone who suffered the inhalation of spray did so of their own volition.

Stone, you do realize the purpose of the 'sit down' was to prevent the police from leaving don't you?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   20:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#18)

If they were in the grass you folks would be saying they weren't allowed to be in the grass because they would kill it.

Occutards are not friendly towards the environment that is true.

However, I suggest you save your moral outrage for a group and a situation more deserving.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   20:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Thunderbird (#21)

Those people sitting on the grass who were sprayed had locked arms with the people sitting in the road.

Show me where it is against the law to lock arms. Show me where it is against the law to sit on a sidewalk.

If ten people were standing and talking on the sidewalk. They would be blocking traffic. Then they could be pepper sprayed according to you right?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   20:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Thunderbird (#21)

Stone, you do realize the purpose of the 'sit down' was to prevent the police from leaving don't you?

No. But does that matter.

I'm not saying I agree with their goals. I just don't mind people protesting.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-23   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Thunderbird (#21) (Edited)

...with the people sitting in the road.

They were not sitting on a "road"; they were sitting on one of the walkways that leads to Sproul Plaza.

The nearest "road" is Bancroft Way about 2-300 yards south.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2011-11-23   20:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Thunderbird (#21)

Turdbird, you apparently create your own reality.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-23   21:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#25)

They were not sitting on a "road"; they were sitting on one of the walkways that leads to Sproul Plaza.

They were blocking the egress of a campus patrol car..its on the video I posted.

-btw Sproul Plaza is about 100 miles from this event.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   21:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Fred Mertz (#26)

Chug another beer Freddie..so you'll feel like a man.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   21:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Thunderbird (#28)

Chug this, tea bagger - and don't bruise your chin.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-23   21:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

Lol. I'd need a microscope to find your manparts Freddie..you're strictly a receiver.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-23   21:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Thunderbird (#30)

Lol. I'd need a microscope to find your manparts Freddie..you're strictly a receiver.

And so called conservatives will always eventually get to their REAL topic of interest.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-23   23:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#24)

No. But does that matter.

Of course it matters.

The goal of the Occupy Davis protest was to spark a confrontation with police.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-24   9:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Thunderbird (#27) (Edited)

They were blocking the egress of a campus patrol car..its on the video I posted.

-btw Sproul Plaza is about 100 miles from this event.

Right. sorry. It's UC Davis.

They were on the one side of Mrack Hall that that has a double walkway. ON the other side of Mrack there is a circle but they were not at the circle which is a green surrounded by a very wide - four lanes - street and also buildings - Mrack and I believe the law library. If you look at the video when the Chancellor leaves her office, she is walking on the same walkway her car as the walkway extends to the parking lot on the side of the building.

Happy Thanksgiving...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2011-11-24   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Thunderbird (#32)

The goal of the Occupy Davis protest was to spark a confrontation with police.

Corporations can and do spend big money on lobbyists to get the ear of politicians. They also have money to buy media space to promote their agenda with the peeps, and money to fund think tanks such as The Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Family Research Council - etc. to refine their message. We call that free speech.

The peeps have their bodies which they've been willing to put on the line in the form of demonstrations for the purpose of getting the ear of politicians, the media, and regular folks. This is also free speech.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   11:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war, Thunderbird. mininggold (#33)

Happy Thanksgiving. I'm going to have to side with the house liberals on this one.

If we want free speech they have to have it too. They weren't violent. They were sitting peacefully in this one instance.

If they can get pepper sprayed. Then using Thunderbirds logic then you can also spray people who stop walking on a sidewalk. You can spray people leaving or going to a concert or a fair. It wasn't right what the pigs did.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   11:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#34)

Corporations can and do spend big money on lobbyists to get the ear of politicians. They also have money to buy media space to promote their agenda with the peeps, and money to fund think tanks such as The Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Family Research Council - etc. to refine their message. We call that free speech.

The peeps have their bodies which they've been willing to put on the line in the form of demonstrations for the purpose of getting the ear of politicians, the media, and regular folks. This is also free speech.

In it's new contemporary form, 'Free speech' only has value if it is followed with a bribe or a reciprocal action of some sort for the purpose of doing business. It has become just another traded commodity, like most of our other 'rights' guaranteed by the constitution.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-24   11:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mininggold (#36)

It has become just another traded commodity, like most of our other 'rights' guaranteed by the

Unbelievable isn't it. Just recently the libs tried to take free speech away. The supremes slapped them down though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   11:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Unbelievable isn't it. Just recently the libs tried to take free speech away. The supremes slapped them down though.

Do you think people have the right to know who is speaking? That got slapped down too.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-24   12:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#38)

Do you think people have the right to know who is speaking?

No. Why do you want to change your screen name to your real name?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-24   12:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Unbelievable isn't it. Just recently the libs tried to take free speech away. The supremes slapped them down though.

You mean that system of corporate bribery masking as individual rights that was created out of whole cloth, a few years ago?

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-24   12:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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