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Published: Nov 17, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-11-17 09:54:55 by A K A Stone
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#53. To: A K A Stone (#48)
They aren't buying anything. They just TAKE IT!
How do you really KNOW that? Throughtout history many people have tried to destroy the Bible. It didn't happen though. If you read from Genesis it promises a Messiah to come. If you continue reading the scriptures you will see that Jesus was born and fulfilled many things that were prophesied to happen. That is the short version. Remember that it takes faith too.
How could you if that is all you read? Who cares.
What "Bible" are you talking about? Are you out of your freakin' mind?
You said you believed in evolution. That is a myth. There has never been a person born without the seed of a man and a woman. So how do you explain that from an evolutionary perspective?
It was a miracle. You will have to take it on faith. If you take the other teachings found in the Bible. Use that as your foundation. It isn't hard to believe that if there really is a God and he created us that he could have impregnated Mary supernaturally.
Who cares. I care buckeroo. I am interested in what you believe and why you believe it. We argue a lot. But I see that you are a patriot and care about important issues.
The original Greek and Hebrew texts. Which our English version was translated from. Just as God said he would do in the Bible. Look Buck it is what I believe. If you don't then that is your business. I'm not an expert on this subject and I'm sure there are others who could answer these questions far better than I could.
I never said I "believed" in evolution. Evolutionary Theory is a FACT if you care to consider the elements of not just mankind's existence but all species. But you are too concerned with your eternal battle of Christians vs. Muslims to get your head out of your ass to look around. What is a myth to you? Adam and Eve eating a apple off the tree of knowledge? Or is that FACT?
Because the text does not contradict itself. Like the NIV does.
What is a myth to you? Adam and Eve eating a apple off the tree of knowledge? Or is that FACT? Buckeroo evolution isn't a fact just because you proclaim it to be. It is a laughable discredited theory. It isn't the purpose of Christians to battle Muslims. On Adam and Eve eating an apple. That is not a fact. It doesn't mention the fruit specifically.
You just contradicted yourself. A theory is not the definition of a fact.
What makes YOU think that even those versions are close to correct? Since you are so well read on Biblical scriptures, where was anyone during Jesus' stay on the planet writing anything about him? There was no documentation until after the crucifixion and that means, the stuff is from someone's foggy memory. And the same goes for the Torah ( The old testament) which is just a chronology of" begating" this and that person within Jewish folklore. Just like the laffable story of Abraham and Sarah fucking at 100 years old and having a child.
By who? YOU?
Many scholars have read them and confirmed it. Do you think that those versions were faked?
By who? YOU? By the majority of Americans.
So why do you make that issue a strong central theme of your posts and articles?
The bible documented it. I'm not sure about your claim that there was no other documentation beforehand.
My GOD, man, those assholes can't even vote with careful exercise of principled judgment when given a choice to wave their chad wands on a card.
What Bible are you blabbering about?
Actually I don't. When asked about it I tell you what I think. I think Israel is for the Jews given to them by God with certain conditions. So I do support Israels right to exist. So I believe there is a God and Israel is in his end times plan. That doesn't mean they need the United States tax money for that plan to be fulfilled. So I don't support any foreign aid save some humanitarian assistance from time to time to help people in natural disasters.
I really can't argue with that Buck. But that doesn't mean the majority is wrong about everything.
I use the King James version. But all the versions document it.
Let us look at Exodus in the Old Testament or the Jewish Torah. What makes you think all that stuff about Moses is true? The Egyptians have no documentation collaborating the myth, yet Ramses was proficient at documentation with his Egyptian priests.
Becuase it's in the Bible and also this Biblical Archaeology - Red Sea Video: Remains of Pharoahs Chariots Found I know you can't see video sometimes. But google it and read about it. Watch the video when you get a chance. That is if you want to.
I wouldn't characterize it as a myth. Especially since archeologists have documented the chariots in the Red Sea. I wouldn't expect the Egyptians to admit that they got their asses kicked by Some Hebrew God.
I need a link.
Here is one link. It seems like a good one. http://www.messianic-literary.com/chariots.htm
You believe in myths and faerie tales, Stone. And when you are asked to provide collaborating documentation, you hide (as always) to produce anything other than some country-bumkin' opinion as though YOU have studied the data. You are a laff-a-minute, about your belief system, your sense of religions and political opinion and also about educational characteristics.
Oh sure. Of course, it is impossible to determine if that old relic is directly tied to the Jewish Exodus; but you already knew that, didn't you?
Actually I provided you pictures and links and video. It is you who is foolish enough to believe in myths. You have never offered any proof that evolution is true. You have also not answered any of the questions I've addressed to you considering evolution. Your second sentence needs to be re written for me to understand what you are trying to say.
I need a link. "CHANGE" you can step in..... There are scores of them. From my little knowledge about the sea. I thought people usually used boats to cross and not horses and carts. You must have some advanced knowledge that the rest of us lacks.
Also I support the idea of devolution as well. And you exemplify that FACT.
Hey, it is good t know that you use the ka-noodle from time to time. But, I sense, they didn't find the skeletal remains of a horse or a man or anything other than a some old wheel possible used to remove weight from a boat.
In 1952, Immanuel Velikovsky published Ages in Chaos, the first of a series of books in which he proposed a radical redating of Egyptian history in order to bring the histories of Egypt and Israel into synchronization. Velikovsky's work sparked a wave of new research into ancient history. And while the bulk of Velikovsky's conclusions have not been borne out by this research, his main the-sis has. This is that the apparent conflict between ancient records and the Bible is due to a misdating of those ancient records, and that when these records are dated correctly, all such "conflicts" disappear. Both Thutmose III and Ramses II date to a period called the Late Bronze Age, which ended with the onset of the Iron Age. Since the Iron Age has been thought to be the time when Israel first arrived in Canaan, the Late Bronze Age has been called "The Canaanite Period," and historians have limited their search for the Exodus to this time. When we break free of this artificial restraint, the picture changes drastically. According to the midrash [3], the Pharaoh of the Exodus was named Adikam. He had a short reign of four years before drowning in the Red Sea. The Pharaoh who preceded him, whose death prompted Moses's return to Egypt (Exodus 2:23, 4:19), was named Malul. Malul, we are told, reigned from the age of six to the age of one hundred. Such a long reign - ninety four years! - sounds fantastic, and many people would hesitate to take this midrash literally. As it happens, though, Egyptian records mention a Pharaoh who reigned for ninety four years. And not only ninety four years, but from the age of six to the age of one hundred! This Pharaoh was known in inscriptions as Pepi (or Phiops) II [4]. The information regarding his reign is known both from the Egyptian historian-priest Manetho, writing in the 3rd century BCE, and from an ancient Egyptian papyrus called the Turin Royal Canon, which was only discovered in the last century. Egyptologists, unaware of the midrash, have wrestled with the historicity of Pepi II's long reign. One historian wrote: [5] Pepi II...appears to have had the longest reign in Egyptian history and perhaps in all history. The Turin Royal Canon credits him with upwards of ninety years. One version of the Epitome of Manetho indicates that he "began to rule at the age of six and continued to a hundred." Although modern scholars have questioned this, it remains to be disproved. While the existence of a two kings who reigned a) ninety four years, b) in Egypt, and c) from the age of six, is hard enough to swallow as a coincidence, that is not all. Like Malul, Pepi II was the second to last king of his dynasty. Like Malul, his successor had a short reign of three or four years, after which Egypt fell apart. Pepi II's dynasty was called the 6th Dynasty, and was the last dynasty of the Old Kingdom in Egypt. Following his successor's death, Egypt collapsed, both economically and under foreign invasion. Egypt, which had been so powerful and wealthy only decades before, suddenly could not defend itself against tribes of invading bedouin. No one knows what happened. Some historians have suggested that the long reign of Pepi II resulted in stagnation, and that when he died, it was like pulling the support out from under a rickety building. But there is no evidence to support such a theory. A papyrus dating from the end of the Old Kingdom was found in the early 19th century in Egypt [6]. It seems to be an eyewitness account of the events preceding the dissolution of the Old Kingdom. Its author, an Egyptian named Ipuwer, writes: Plague is throughout the land. Blood is everywhere. The river is blood. That is our water! That is our happiness! What shall we do in respect thereof? All is ruin! Trees are destroyed. No fruit or herbs are found... Forsooth, gates, columns and walls are consumed by fire. Forsooth, grain has perished on every side. The land is not light [dark]. Velikovsky recognized this as an eyewitness account of the ten plagues. Since modern men are not supposed to believe in such things, it has been interpreted figuratively by most historians. The destruction of crops and livestock means an economic depression. The river being blood indicates a breakdown of law an order and a proliferation of violent crime. The lack of light stands for the lack of enlightened leadership. Of course, that's not what it says, but it is more palatable than the alternative, which is that the phenomena described by Ipuwer were literally true. When the Bible tells us that Egypt would never be the same after the Exodus, it was no exaggeration. With invasions from all directions, virtually all subsequent kings of Egypt were of Ethiopian, Libyan or Asiatic descent. When Chazal tell us that King Solomon was able to marry Pharaoh's daughter despite the ban on marrying Egyptian converts until they have been Jewish for three generations because she was not of the original Egyptian nation, there is no reason to be surprised. more at source http://starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
You're wrong on that one too Buck. Chariot parts, and the remains of horses and humans found on the seabed Chariot parts, and the remains of horses and humans found on the seabed On diving down to the sea bed, in 1978, Ron Wyatt and his two sons found and photographed numerous coral encrusted chariot parts. Several dives since then have revealed more and more evidence. When these coral formations were scanned with a metal detector, the readings read positive for iron. In a number of places they found broken pieces of coral that contained rust, such as this rusted axle. One of his finds included an eight spoke chariot wheel, which Ron took to the director of Egyptian Antiquities, Dr. Nassif Mohammed Hassan. After examining it Dr Hassan immediately announced it to be of the eighteenth dynasty, dating it to the Exodus of 1,445 B.C. When asked how he knew this Dr. Hassan explained that the eight spoke wheel was only used during this period, the lifetimes of Ramases II and Tutmoses (Moses). Chariot boxes, horse and human skeletal remains, four, six and eight spoke chariot wheels all lie as a silent testimony to the miracle of the parting of the Red Sea Read more: http://www.freechristianteaching.org/modules/smartsection/item.php?com_mode=flat&com_order=1&itemid=387#ixzz1eBYevYgW Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives
Who is this ridiculous idiot wearing old clothing, wearing a beard and long hair? What is his background?
When asked how he knew this Dr. Hassan explained that the eight spoke wheel was only used during this period, the lifetimes of Ramases II and Tutmoses (Moses).
You are bringing out total idiots that have been refuted for decades. Even I wrote that stupid son-of-bitch back in 1973 about his lunacy for, "Chariots of the Gods." He is fully discredited about any scientific merit. I do want to point out though, he is good for a laff.
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#54. To: buckeroo (#50)
t means that they were chosen for God to deliver his message to the world through.
#55. To: A K A Stone (#52)
but I haven't found any contradictions or errors in it.
Do you think there is a God?
#56. To: A K A Stone (#54)
Throughtout history many people have tried to destroy the Bible. It didn't happen though.
#57. To: buckeroo (#51)
Why should I believe in a myth?
#58. To: buckeroo (#51)
How did Jesus' mother Mary give birth to Jesus if she didn't have sex with a man?
#59. To: buckeroo (#55)
Do you think there is a God?
#60. To: buckeroo (#56)
What "Bible" are you talking about? Are you out of your freakin' mind?
#61. To: A K A Stone (#57)
You said you believed in evolution. That is a myth
#62. To: buckeroo (#55)
How could you if that is all you read?
#63. To: buckeroo (#61)
never said I "believed" in evolution. Evolutionary Theory is a FACT if you care to consider the elements of not just mankind's existence but all species. But you are too concerned with your eternal battle of Christians vs. Muslims to get your head out of your ass to look around.
#64. To: buckeroo (#61)
Evolutionary Theory is a FACT
#65. To: A K A Stone (#60)
The original Greek and Hebrew texts. Which our English version was translated from. Just as God said he would do in the Bible.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#63)
It is a laughable discredited theory.
#67. To: buckeroo (#65)
What makes YOU think that even those versions are close to correct?
#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
It is a laughable discredited theory.
#69. To: A K A Stone (#63)
It isn't the purpose of Christians to battle Muslims.
#70. To: buckeroo (#65)
There was no documentation until after the crucifixion and that means, the stuff is from someone's foggy memory.
#71. To: A K A Stone (#68)
By the majority of Americans.
#72. To: A K A Stone (#70)
The bible documented it.
#73. To: buckeroo (#69)
So why do you make that issue a strong central theme of your posts and articles?
#74. To: buckeroo (#71)
My GOD, man, those assholes can't even vote with careful exercise of principled judgment when given a choice to wave their chad wands on a card.
#75. To: buckeroo (#72)
What Bible are you blabbering about?
#76. To: A K A Stone (#70)
I'm not sure about your claim that there was no other documentation beforehand.
#77. To: buckeroo (#76)
et us look at Exodus in the Old Testament or the Jewish Torah. What makes you think all that stuff about Moses is true?
#78. To: buckeroo (#76)
he Egyptians have no documentation collaborating the myth
#79. To: A K A Stone (#77)
Remains of Pharoahs Chariots Found
#80. To: buckeroo (#79)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#78)
I wouldn't expect the Egyptians to admit that they got their asses kicked by Some Hebrew God.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#80)
#83. To: buckeroo (#81)
You believe in myths and faerie tales, Stone. And when you are asked to provide collaborating documentation, you hide (as always) to produce anything other than some country-bumkin' opinion as though YOU have studied the data.
#84. To: buckeroo (#79)
Remains of Pharoahs Chariots Found
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!! Number of shallow, inadequate, hypocritical Leftards who have me on BOZO---3.......... That means I'm doing my job correctly !!!!!!!!!
#85. To: buckeroo (#82)
Oh sure. Of course, it is impossible to determine if that old relic is directly tied to the Jewish Exodus; but you already knew that, didn't you?
#86. To: A K A Stone (#83)
It is you who is foolish enough to believe in myths. You have never offered any proof that evolution is true.
#87. To: A K A Stone (#85)
I thought people usually used boats to cross and not horses and carts.
#88. To: buckeroo (#87)
#89. To: buckeroo (#87)
But, I sense, they didn't find the skeletal remains of a horse or a man or anything other than a some old wheel possible used to remove weight from a boat.
#90. To: CZ82 (#84)
#91. To: All, buckeroo, skip intro, cz82, murron, brian s, war (#89)
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#92. To: A K A Stone (#88)
Immanuel Velikovsky
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