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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 EXPOSED: The Dark Truth About the Hostages in Gaza New Task Force Ready To Expose Dark Secrets Egypt Amasses Forces on Israel’s Southern Border | World War 3 About to Start? "Trump wants to dismantle the Education Department. Here’s how it would work" test "Federal Workers Concerned That Returning To Office Will Interfere With Them Not Working" "Yes, the Democrats Have a Governing Problem – They Blame America First, Then Govern Accordingly" "Trump and His New Frenemies, Abroad and at Home" "The Left’s Sin Is of Omission and Lost Opportunity" "How Trump’s team will break down the woke bureaucracy" Pete Hegseth will be confirmed in a few minutes Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Veterans's Thread Source: jwpegler URL Source: http://jwpegler Published: Nov 11, 2011 Author: jwpegler Post Date: 2011-11-11 19:54:42 by jwpegler Keywords: None Views: 67181 Comments: 150 I haven't seen squat on Liberty Forum about Veteran's Day. Maybe there aren't any veterans our here except me. If you are a veteran, please respond with you your branch, base, unit, and dates of service. jwpegler Air Force Pope Air Force Base 317th Avionics Maintenance Squadron (317th AMS) 1979 - 1983 By the way, if another 1960s hippy dippy turned neo-con war monger (like Michael Medved) "thanks me for my service" I am going to throw up... Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 70. #7. To: jwpegler, Mad Dog, Liberator (#0) (Edited) I haven't seen squat on Liberty Forum about Veteran's Day. Thats a shame.... Post of mine on a forum [currently],,,discussing Military History. ****************************************************************************** Was posting on Graf Spee at a Military forum with lots of pro German posters who took apart my position much as you did. One poster there did support my position...which seemed to rally the majority to crush the premise that Graf Spee could have survived the encounter/or break out. While technically correct on their part,....I see war as a reality where [as in the case of Graf Spee] you are a warship.....regardless of what mistakes you have made to be in such an encounter, you fight! Little Wolves at Samar [Taffy 3 - destroyers Hoel, Heermann and Johnston, and destroyer escorts Dennis, John C. Butler, Raymond, and Samuel B. Roberts.] ...smashed up and wrecked .....still were able to lay the hurt on the superior Japanese naval force. Single destroyers with bridge/ CIC destroyed,...fired independent turret and torpedo attack. wiki excerpt:[ a different battle....but same spirit!] On 6 October 1943 Chevalier, O'Bannon, and Selfridge (DD-357) intercepted nine Japanese destroyers and destroyer transports attempting to evacuate troops from Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands. Although greatly outnumbered, the American destroyers attacked. After firing half of their torpedoes and scoring several hits with gunfire, the group continued to steam into the line of fire of enemy torpedoes in order to keep their own guns bearing. At approximately 22:05 Chevalier was struck on the port bow by an enemy torpedo which tore her bow off to the bridge, throwing the ship entirely out of control. The destroyer O'Bannon which was following Chevalier could not avoid the damaged destroyer and rammed her in the after engine room, flooding that space and stopping Chevalier's port shaft. While making preparations to abandon ship, Chevalier's skipper ordered the torpedoes in her tubes to be fired at the Japanese destroyer Yugumo. The burning Japanese ship blew up soon after. By 23:26 it was apparent that Chevalier could not be saved and the order was given to abandon Ship. Her crew was picked up by O'Bannon's boats, and Chevalier was sunk the following day by a torpedo from the USS La Vallette. German U boats....1939 The U-boat War, 1939-42 by John Barratt Opening Shots excerpt: The net result of all this was that Donitz rarely had more than 20 boats available for Atlantic operations at any one time, of which only about half a dozen would actually be on station. Although such a small force could hardly bring Britain to her knees, they had a number of individual successes. The British responded to the U-boat threat by forming "hunter-killer" groups, sometimes built around an aircraft carrier, but this policy went into sharp reverse when on September 19th 1939, the U-9 sank the carrier "Courageous" in the Western Approaches, with the loss of 518 men. This was followed quickly by another sharp blow, when on October 14th, Gunther Prien, in U-47 , penetrated the supposedly impregnable defences of the British Home Fleet's principal base at Scapa Flow, and sank the battleship Royal Oak . [end] 15.12. "Graf Spee" is damaged and has put into Montevideo after her action in the South Atlantic. Naval War Staff has asked B.d.U. what support U-boats could give the pocket battleship off the mouth of the La Plata. I have assured Naval War Staff that I will do all I can and I am determined to try everything possible, in spite of the great difficulties which an operation of this kind with U-boats involves. 2 U-boats (U 44 and U 46) can be got ready in time to reach the La Plata at the beginning of February. The operation depends mainly on the question of supply. It will be necessary to refuel on the way out, on the way back and in the operations area. Naval War Staff promises supplies in the Canaries and off the La Plata from "Altmark". This means that the operation can be attempted. It means going into the Tropics and there is no experience of U-boats in these areas. Preparations must be made accordingly. Special attention will have to be paid to victualling supplies, clothing and medical matters in view of the changes of climate, high temperatures and strong sun. Torpedo pistols, electric torpedo batteries and ammunition are also likely to be effected. The necessary steps are being taken immediately. (signed): Dönitz Rear Admiral and B.d.U. 16.12. The U-boat operation in support of "Graf Spee" has been cancelled. Apparently political considerations make it necessary to decide the pocket battleship's fate sooner.[excerpt end] The above info from Donitz margins that U boats could have been sent in some form of creative action which of course involves risk and audacity....in a earlier time frame than Donitz stated. It really comes down to resolve. clearly Langsdorff fainted in the face of the British cruisers, he suicided his ship in a way which left a propaganda trophy win [instead of sinking her at sea with no trophy pics] He commited suicide....which points towards a trend in mindset which indicates to me...he was not a battle commander on par with the Command shown by the plucky tin cans of the USN listed out above in their actions. Your points made concerning the condition of the British cruisers....changes with a few more salvo's or torpedo's fired by Graf Spee. Its possible Graf Spee could have seriously damaged these British cruisers...even if we card it as luck. Graf Spee could have slipped away....wounded....and stopped other shipping in the south atlantic to take useable fuel or machinery to bodge repair her ship. I can't off hand remember the names...I believe there were 2 German freighter type ships in the vicinity of La Plata region in that time window. Graf Spee could have gone north near the African coast on obtained fuel and repairs to close the distance for U Boat support. Small U.S. ships like USS Luzon PR-7- Yangtze River Patrol, Excerpt: She remained off Shanghai until 29 November 1941 when she departed for the Philippines. Luzon arrived at Manila 30 December, just 23 short, trying days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor brought the United States pellmell into World War II. She then began patrol operations in the waters of the Philippines, assisting the heroic but unsuccessful defense of both Bataan, from 1 February until the surrender of the peninsula to the Japanese 9 April, and Corregidor, from the beginning evacuations of that entrance island to Manila Bay until the enemy landings 5 May.[end] little River Gun Boat Luzon .....working her way past Japans navy now swarming that region after Dec 7..... : ) so ya.....I read the can do,....we'll find a way, were damaged...but we got some fight left, were finished.....fire the torpedo's and abandon ship. You can change the outcome.......if you gut up and have the resolve. or you can run away,....and commit suicide.[end] Parrot: here is at least one poster who gets it....others are Uber hair on fire...who do not like history revised. Poster comment: The Graff Spee never would have won because her captain and crew lacked the resolve of the British navy. The Spee ran rather than fought. If the Captain of the Rawalpindi had been in charge of the Spee the outcome may have been different because when his AMC with 8 x 6in was told to surrender to the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst with 9 x11in and 16x 5.9in apiece he turned into them and attacked rather than run or surrender. Parrot: On this Veterans day...we remember the Spirit of the fighting men of the U.S.,....who would not quit in the face of the insurmountable,....who fought till the very last,...who changed the outcome of battle which appeared defeat. Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-11-11   22:53:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Parrot with speed dial, jwpegler, Liberator (#7) Parrot: On this Veterans day...we remember the Spirit of the fighting men of the U.S.,....who would not quit in the face of the insurmountable,....who fought till the very last,...who changed the outcome of battle which appeared defeat. No matter what, it's ALWAYS about THEM. Lord rest their souls. NEVER forget. NEVER Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-12   18:19:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Mad Dog, Parrot with speed dial, jwpegler, Liberator (#11) No matter what, it's ALWAYS about THEM. Yeah right. Since WW2, the US military machine is considered an expendable piece of garbage; that is the common man is convinced to goto warzones around the world and that they may die fighting for NOTHING, their coffins are often draped in some sort of voo-doo called the UN or SEATO or NATO or some other sort of BS. The US Congress has NEVER created an ACT of WAR since WW2. American flesh is just a causality in a fucking political game of empire. I have no sympathy for any of you that may have sob or boo-hoo in these issues. You don't understand anything. buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-12   18:42:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: buckeroo (#12) (Edited) I am certainly NOT defending the U.S. government's foreign policy misadventures. America is worth defending. Not the government. Not the politicians. Not the bureaucrats. But, the Constitution and the people. We need to separate the horrible policies the politicians have foisted on the country from the willingness of America kids to defend the country. Yes, sometimes those kids have lost their lives because the idiot politicians are engaged in a giant game of Risk. Yes, the politicians should be condemned, but not the kids in uniform. jwpegler  posted on  2011-11-12   18:55:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: jwpegler (#13) America is worth defending. Where half-way around the world while our own nation is bleeding to death by illegal aliens running amuck? For a POLICE-STATE to shape the citizenry into submission of a government that is totally out of control? America's foreign and domestic policies are NOT in keeping with the US Constitution. So answer my question. What is worth defending? Millions can't even get a job in this GODDAMNED nation anymore. buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-12   19:07:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: buckeroo (#14) America is worth defending. Where half-way around the world while our own nation is bleeding to death by illegal aliens running amuck? For a POLICE-STATE to shape the citizenry into submission of a government that is totally out of control? America's foreign and domestic policies are NOT in keeping with the US Constitution. So answer my question. What is worth defending? Millions can't even get a job in this GODDAMNED nation anymore. How long have you thought this way buckeroo? That America isn't worth defending? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12   19:09:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: A K A Stone, jwpegler, all (#15) How long have you thought this way buckeroo? I want to know why jwpegler doesn't answer my questions or even yourself or anyone? What is the matter with you fine folks that believe in the spirit of personal opinion, honest and publick communications? Cat GOT YOUR FUCKING TONGUES? I already know the answer(s) too. buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-12   20:38:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, jwpegler, all (#17) How long have you thought this way buckeroo? I want to know why jwpegler doesn't answer my questions or even yourself or anyone? What is the matter with you fine folks that believe in the spirit of personal opinion, honest and publick communications? Cat GOT YOUR FUCKING TONGUES? I already know the answer(s) too. I'll answer your question you vile piece of SH!T. AMERICA is worth defending because AMERICA is GOOD, (pick a BETTER country you gibbering fraud) and it is OUR HOME, (why are YOU still here creep?). AMERICA isn't this FUCKING feral gooberment et. al. MORON, it's THE AMERICAN PEOPLE you foul gibbering piece of shit. That "the powers that be" currently know no LAW , that is to say disregard the US CONSTITUTION, does NOT invalidate the CONSTITUTION you gibbering fuckwad. When it OBVIOUSLY, NOW, time to stand UP! to wheel to turn to face them, and to ADVANCE; little bitches such as you whine about how hopeless and useless it all is and cry your rivers of croc tears before you give up. Then you call the rest of US AMERICANS, who will NEVER give up, foul little names while you insult us all. And fuckeroo you have every right to SAY whatever the fuck you want to say, and you also have the right to DEFEND your crap from all the rest of US AMERICANS who also have the right to say what WE think about YOU, you feeble little whiny cunt. Why don't you just crawl off somewhere and DIE already? Your constant whining and crying is starting to get on OUR AMERICAN nerves you feeble little bitch. How'd ya like my answer bitch? Spit ... Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-13   16:52:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Mad Dog (#47) AMERICA is GOOD How is modern America "good?" Explain your point of view. Cite examples of where American government interference around the world since WW2 has been "good." Even as recently as Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya, America has lied out its teeth killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the name of "Democracy." What does "Democracy" have to do with America? Furthermore, why should America be introducing political concepts of "Democracy" into other sovereign nations other than by FORCE? buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-13   17:09:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: buckeroo (#49) AMERICA is GOOD How is modern America "good?" Explain your point of view. Cite examples of where American government interference around the world since WW2 has been "good." Even as recently as Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya, America has lied out its teeth killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the name of "Democracy." What does "Democracy" have to do with America? Furthermore, why should America be introducing political concepts of "Democracy" into other sovereign nations other than by FORCE? Are you DRUNK already fuckeroo? What I actually said; " I'll answer your question you vile piece of SH!T. AMERICA is worth defending because AMERICA is GOOD, (pick a BETTER country you gibbering fraud) and it is OUR HOME, (why are YOU still here creep?). AMERICA isn't this FUCKING feral gooberment et. al. MORON, it's THE AMERICAN PEOPLE you foul gibbering piece of shit. That "the powers that be" currently know no LAW , that is to say disregard the US CONSTITUTION, does NOT invalidate the CONSTITUTION you gibbering fuckwad. When it OBVIOUSLY, NOW, time to stand UP! to wheel to turn to face them, and to ADVANCE; little bitches such as you whine about how hopeless and useless it all is and cry your rivers of croc tears before you give up. Then you call the rest of US AMERICANS, who will NEVER give up, foul little names while you insult us all. And fuckeroo you have every right to SAY whatever the fuck you want to say, and you also have the right to DEFEND your crap from all the rest of US AMERICANS who also have the right to say what WE think about YOU, you feeble little whiny cunt. Why don't you just crawl off somewhere and DIE already? Your constant whining and crying is starting to get on OUR AMERICAN nerves you feeble little bitch. How'd ya like my answer bitch? Spit ..." ------------------------------------------------- You fucking MORON, how does AMERICA = the feral gooberment to YOU? You gibbering sh!thead? I could, with ease, address your fucking nonsense point by point. But why bother? You are just a mentally and emotionally challenged old FOOL and a bitter little MORON. Show me worm, where I have ever defended a feral gooberment? Show me monkey gurl anywhere I have ever supported UN CONSTITUTIONAL gooberment you gibbering retard. I support AMERICA first. I don't give a F what we have to do to keep THIS NATION safe and sound. Don't you know what FTW means bitch? Why don't you PICK A BETTER COUNTRY bitch. If you really believe the filth that you spew loser, if AMERICA is so bad it should be EASY, so ... WHY are YOU STILL IN AMERICA you foul little bitch? Oh yeah, you're just a foul little mentally and emotionally challenged creep. Btw creep, you disappear from my life 100% the very instant that I leave this site worm. You mean NOTHING, except as an object lesson and example of what an absolute FOOL looks like. Spit ... Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-13   17:39:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: Mad Dog (#52) AMERICA is GOOD, (pick a BETTER country you gibbering fraud) and it is OUR HOME Why are you lowering the benchmark for what was comparing America to communist, socialist and just about everything like Somalia? Are you afraid to admit, that America is a failed nation while believing in some old historical and often mythological book before 1945? After 1945, America changed drastically and we are reaping the whirlwind of failure, today. buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-13   17:43:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: buckeroo (#54) I'm NOT "lowering" anything you gibbering retard. You HATE, and have given up on AMERICA fuckeroo. I get that you pitiful loser. We all get that you whiney little creep. But you are a COWARD and a HYPOCRITE since you still live here, even though it's so "bad" loser. Aren't you creep? LOL! "Failed nation"! You absurd little whiney bitch! The "game" is not over, and it NEVER will be as long as people such as me and ALL of those vets that you call "GARBAGE" are alive, you foul simpering little dishonorable COWARD. Adams was speaking directly to YOU bitch and the rest of your cowardly cadres; "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-13   17:55:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: Mad Dog (#58) have given up on AMERICA What is left here? A pile of debt, old-age pensioners and illegal aliens and of course, a POLICE-STATE. buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-13   17:58:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: buckeroo (#59) have given up on AMERICA [sic] What is left here? A pile of debt, old-age pensioners and illegal aliens and of course, a POLICE-STATE. Oh yeah bitch! I SO see your "point", (it's right there on top of your head as usual)! ALL IS LOST! AMERICA IS DOOMED! WE should all MOVE or committ suicide! RIGHT loser? Well , YOU certainly should! There is no way out loser! KILL YOURSELF! DO IT NOW! There is no other way! (for losers such as YOU at least). Put us ALL out of YOUR misery loser! KILL YOURSELF! DO IT NOW! ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-13   18:09:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: Mad Dog (#61) AMERICA IS DOOMED! Well stated. Who is going to save us .... some BS religious freak that has been in the sky playing a harp for 2000 years ignoring the events? Some guy/gal you vote for? Perhaps a Martian landing here that has a cook-book, "To Serve Man" ... We can speculate forever. But the truth is, this place that you cherish is a all dried upped with an over-weight bureaucracy, retiring mongrels that run around in a Winna-Bego, lack of education, debt, low markets, no jobs, lousy hamburgers and expensive auto insurance. Oh yeah, and no leaders at all. The place is FUCKED. buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-13   18:42:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: buckeroo (#63) (Edited) standard fuckeroo cunt loser bitch whining and bitching But don't TRY to change the subject you vile CUNT. You called all post WW2 VETERANS "GARBAGE". That tells EVERYTHING about YOU, you despicable CUNT. But you can solve this problem CUNT. KILL yourself CUNT. DO IT NOW! You vile, cowardly, slimy, No BALLS CUNT. Spit ... Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-15   2:59:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: Mad Dog (#65) Look. You are going to have to watch your mouth from now on. I've seen you debate without that kind of language. We are cleaning this place up. I want serious discussion from now on. Thanks buddy. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-15   7:42:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: A K A Stone, war, skip intro, mininggold, Brian S, sneakypete, lucysmom (#66) We are cleaning this place up. We are cleaning clearing this place up out. By crappy moderation. There, I fixed it for you. Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-15   23:08:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 70. #71. To: Fred Mertz (#70) We are cleaning this place up. We are cleaning clearing this place up out. ha ha Good one. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-15 23:57:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: Fred Mertz (#70) Do you believe in standards? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-15 23:58:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 70. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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